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Road rehabilitation services MSTU

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Unidentified speakerVoice A

All right, so now I'm gonna start to bridge the gap between operating and capital. So what we're gonna talk about is our road rehabilitation services, MSTU, and so this particular funding source, it funds some operational expenses, but a good propensity of it is capital maintenance. And so we want to make sure that we spend some time looking at how the team is currently executing and then also looking at what they're planning to execute in the future. And for this we'll be looking at a three year spend plan just

to kind of s you know, set the stage.

All right, so here we're looking at our current fiscal year and what the team's projecting to execute in terms of dollars by treatment type. And so that very first column where you see actuals, that's what the team's already spent. That's gone out the door. What you see in encumbrances, these are things that are contracts or it's on POs, and the team's projecting to execute by the end of the year. So we're looking at a total execution.

Mm-hmm.

Well that's great, Amy, but what does that mean? Well let's talk about it. Let's talk about what that means in lane miles. And so This is here showing you lane miles by treatment and by district and then you can see how many lane miles the team's been able to or is projecting to execute this fiscal year. Now, what you see up there is a hundred almost a hundred and thirty eight total lane miles to be maintained. So that begs the question, before we moved into this funding mechanism

Um with the MSTU, what was the team able to execute when we were in the PVAS system? Right? The one that nobody liked, pitted neighbors against neighbors. We weren't able to get a whole lot of work done and I can say that because we were doing roughly forty lane miles a year.

Mike Carballa

At six times the cost.

Unidentified speakerVoice A

Oh, at six times the cost. Ow, that one hurts. Right, that one hurts. And then you say, Well, why might that have been at six times the cost? Well, because before you could get everyone to agree they wanted to be assessed on it, the road just kept degrading. And so we weren't able to maintain the roads timely in a way that was more cost effective. So we've shifted the funding mechanism. And it's just another way that the county's been super innovative to make sure that we're able to meet our citizens where they are and provide the service they need at the most cost-effective way. And so you'll

notice that most of the lane miles are in our rejuvenation, microsurfacing, and our milling resurfacing. 'Cause once you get to that full depth reclamation and reconstruction, it starts to get really costly. And in the old PVAS system because it might take so long to get full agreement that this is a road we were gonna work on. W we were getting into full depth reclamation and reconstruction. And I'm gonna look at Jason to make sure I didn't say anything wrong. Alright, I got a thumbs up and awesome. Thank you.

All right, so now let's talk about the next three years and what the team's looking to do. And so here we've got dollar amounts by treatment type over the next three years. And so it's important to note that the amount the team's able to execute is based off of our projections for tax revenue. And so this is one area where if tax reform passes in November, the body of work that the team would be able to execute would reduce by roughly a third.

All right, so now let's look at their planned spend over the next three years by district by treatment type.

And again you'll see the team is trying to put um majority of the resource allocation before we get to that full-depth reclamation and reconstruction bit, right? Where it's cheaper for us to be able to maintain, it's more cost effective.

Jack Mariano

So let's stand this side just for a second. We've always said like maintenance should be boun used to we used to always be program maintenance always balanced up between the commissions. And I'm looking at District Four, that's the lowest number there. Uh granted our district's a little more compact, but Um I want to make sure we're doing, as we say, and I know we're going to touch on it, but doing the worst roads, etc., that need to be done. But it's there's I don't know.

Devil's in the details coming up.

Unidentified speakerVoice A

All right, so then what does that those dollar amounts translate into lane miles? And so here you'll see planned lane miles by treatment type. and district. And so over the next three years, the team's projecting to be able if funding levels remain, they're expecting to be able to execute almost five hundred lane miles in the county to be maintained in the next three years.

Okay. All right. So now in our general funds, we're going to have to do that.

Jack Mariano

If we go back I'll just go back to one thing. So I I've talked with staff, you know, west of nineteen, uh, you've had a lot of hurricane damage. You've had roads that through the storms you're filling potholes, filling out potholes and and filling potholes. So if we're gonna keep this level here, I'm gonna I'm gonna look at the DR coming up that Roads like Oldsner, down New Port Richey, Green Key, which I know was in the plan to come up. Um there's roads at Del Mar, Puffin Lane that are just terrible. And

there's probably a few others in the mix that You know, especially as we're trying to be as responsible as we can with the budget infrastructure counts with DR. I want us to go look at those roads that were stamp storm damaged that do qualify that use the money for that so you can keep the the great projects that that are that are in the plan already, but we really gotta look at that because um This is a great thing we've done is going away from the pa paving this asset, but we need to stretch our dollars and I think that DR funds should be able to help us to get

get what needs to be done that should be done that's justified.

Mike Carballa

Those particular storm damage roads would likely qualify. So I have asked uh Chuck Lane to to talk with public works and and see if there's maneuver space in that program that we will be bringing back to the board next month actually for discussion.

Jack Mariano

And I've been talking with Seth about as well. I know we haven't seen the plan yet, but I just want to let the board know as well. It is something we need to look at. Thank you. Mr. Oakley.

Ron Oakley

As you look at the numbers and and see they're higher and lower, but it's like one, two, and five, but one, two and five on districts are your most rural districts in your county. And that's why there's more cost, 'cause there's vision roads and all that's gonna be put in those areas where there's no road there now at all. But to handle you gotta have the infrastructure to handle the development that you're having in those areas. And I think that's what's driving the higher costs in those those three districts.