Pasco 2050 comprehensive plan workshop
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Yeah, we have a work workshop. Okay. So workshop. Thank you everyone for coming. Yeah. Yes.
He said young man, David responded.
I know. Jump right at the same thing. David, you're you're quick to draw that.
He said young man, not old man. Thank you. Patrick, I saw Patrick jump up.
I do want to ask where Kurt is from.
Orlando? Do you not have swamps in Orlando? He got some big
time swamps.
A slew. It's a slew. Yeah.
Not a slough. What do you think? Slough?
Oh. I can never it's just something outside.
He didn't know what to do.
Gianna wasn't there to Wilh. Oh man, I'll tell you.
Good job, Kurt. Repeat that a hundred times.
How come I don't get that from you?
Huh?
I don't get that from you guys. He gets that, I don't get that.
Well w yeah I'm
jealous right
now.
I'm very
jealous, just so you guys know, I'm very jealous.
So this happens.
Okay.
Yeah, there was an exact reading it, which
That was almost that was
almost as quick as Jamie's.
I know, I need to watch James again.
The our earlier discussion on maps. This is a map as part of our map series in Pasco 2050 that demonstrates the rural areas of Pasco County, the does the designated rural areas of Pasco County.
Let's see if this thing works.
Uh, come on.
Rural area number one is I don't know why this is not working.
Area. Is this area here? This is known as the Northeast Rural. What you're gonna quickly notice is um this finger extension that goes up all the way to Lakuchi, um which is about here, which is three oh one and ninety ninety eight, I think. Um that branch off here. This is the Lakuchi area. You'll notice that this is all being carved out of uh the northeast rule. Right now that overlay extends right over the three oh one corridor. F D O T has recently wide uh planned and has begun
constructing a widening of the three oh one corridor. Um The 301 quarter is not rural in the same way that the that what I what I would refer to as the hinterlands of the northeast rural are rural. And of course as you get to Lakuchi, all of the future land use categories in that area are not rural uh future land use categories today. This carve-out follows the boundaries of the East Market area, which is a market area that has redevelopment objectives associated with it. So it's
not part of the north market area, which has a more rural uh idea behind it. So that's the first thing that you'll notice in Pasco 2050 is that the 301 corridor and the various commercial properties that are along 301 have been. Carved out of the Northeast Rural Overlay. The other thing that you'll notice is the area around the Blanton and I-75 interchange. This area also has future land use categories today that are not rural in scope. There's
EC, there's MU, which are very intense future land use categories, there's IL, there's COM out there. I think that covers all of
them. That was where the Evans 80 is.
Yes, okay. That's where the Evans 80 is. That's right. That's good memory. So that is being carved out because it also is not rural in scope. Yes, today you might go out there and see open fields. But the future land use is designated at these higher intensities like Res9 and et cetera, because there's an interchange there.
that's being carved out of Northeast Rome. Um No changes occurred to the uh rural transition area. This is rural area two. So there are there are no boundary changes. Uh one policy change that I briefly talked about this morning is that there was a cap on the RTA at two dwelling units per acre for RDR. Um future land use. So as a policy perspective, again, RTA is the
transition between the suburban environment. Which would be to the uh west and south into the rural environment here. The rural environment ends at a maximum density of one, the suburban starts at a uh at a density of three, so RTA is sitting at two right in between. Um but there are no boundary changes to the RTA. The neighborhood protection. The rural neighborhood protection area, which is um rural area I believe that's three. Is that right? Three or
is that three or four? Correct. Okay. So actually it's all by the top. Yeah, it's area four. So area four here is no changes also. So this large area, um no changes to that policy whatsoever. We did do uh an amendment a few years ago where we pulled back this uh rural area from Old Pasco Road if you recall. Well since then no further changes are required to rural area four. On rural area
three, which is the rural character area located here. This is also uh the the place between Hudson and Shady Hills. And um This particular area did have some boundary changes and boundary adjustments. All of those boundary adjustments have to do with the presence of either utilities running along, say, County Line Road or utilities coming off. shady hills and encroaching into um the interior of and
and Hudson encroaching into the interior of R of the RCA. What that has meant is basically the boundary of the rural character area has been pulled back one parcel depth along county line. And up to two, but only in some p points of the uh uh of the Shady Hills boundary, um Shady Hills Road boundary, up to two parcels there and then up to two parcels at the Um Hudson Avenue. So is that the
whole length along Hudson
Ave that it's a little bit more than that?
Is there any s sense of pulling it all back off Hudson Ave? I live up in that area and I know as much as I come in here and tell you Kitten Trail is very rural. Hudson Ave, the look of Hudson Ave has definitely changed. And there are there's subdivision after subdivision after subdivision along Hudson Ave now and planned subdivisions. It's not gonna look very r and we've got industrial stuff on Hudson
Ave. It just doesn't seem like that's very rural character anymore behind it as you go north and where they were talking about the county parcel they'd like to become a preserve. That's definitely a rural area.
We we can look at Hudson Avenue uh a bit more closely. I think some of the parcels on Hudson are pretty deep and we didn't want to just Ah, okay. I cut half a parcel or whatever with the boundary. Um but to the if w we'll take a look at it and if we find uh where's where it makes sense we'll pull the boundary. Pull the boundary back. Okay.
Mr. Chairman Mariano. Consistent with Turi's uh discussions about the car bat on the US 301 corridor over in the northeast area, uh I've had preliminary discussions with Tori regarding the Withlacoochee River electric cooperative. It's on the southeastern intersection of 301 and Christian Road. It's uh it up has frontage on 301, backs up to the CX Rail Freight Line. And I'm working with uh Rec now on establishing
an inland port business park there using the freight lines because we have very deficient freight coverage here in the region. South Of us, it's basically we're the area of opportunity for freight industrial users. So the thinking was, and I've spoken to the county administrator about this, there's a tax increment financing overlay in the CUGI. What that is, is a mechanism to raise money through increases in the ad valorem tax payments. Obviously, we haven't had a lot. of development now that we
have southeast culvert there now we're we're getting some revenue we're up over 400 000 i checked five years ago and there wasn't even a hundred thousand dollars so we're getting traction so the thought is is that we would carve out a that little that rec sliver of the 301 carter which is consistent with turry's exercise Uh yeah. Change the TIFF boundary to incorporate that continuous new inland port park. That'll provide the housing and the taxes and all the things we're trying
to do up with the Coochie. So um the reason I'm laying this out for you is there may be a potential slight modification to that map. Okay. I didn't want to do it without the right-of-way.
And David are there are there any opportunities to do anything similar with the rail line that runs along Forty One?
No, not yet. We do have up in uh north of 52, uh we we have um and it's come through here, we have several mines and we have a business park now, the Seven Diamonds Industrial Park. So that has real activity, but we haven't done an inland port and we're only working on this is the first one in the county.
Yeah, I'd I'd just love to see th that that used. We we'd like to have some manufacturing and industrial jobs. in the county and one of the things that's important. was being able to get the raw materials in and the finished goods out. We know we don't have a a deep water port or anything like that, so rail the inland port. I think that's a great idea.
We actually have looked at several out of state up in Georgia and the Carolinas and they they they work fabulously. So we bring in rail sightings off off the freight line. We plot the property, uh Rec will be the master developer, and then we could attract and induce businesses and industries to go in there.
we
need
it.
Yeah.
We can use that. Thank you, sir.
Thanks, David. So that's those are the changes that are being proposed to the existing rural areas. There is a new rural area that we are proposing as part of Pasco 2050, but it's actually not that new. Back in 2006 when the study was conducted for the Northeast Rural Overlay. A Dade City transition area was identified on a study map. That map was never translated into an actual legislative map as part of the future land use map series. But
the current goals, objectives, and policies associated with Northeast Rural reference the Dade City transition area. It just was never mapped. This is the dark green area that's between Northeast Rural on the west and Dade City on the east. This is that area zoomed in. As you can see, Dade City since 2006 anyway has considerable annexation expansion things. Has had considerable annexation
expansion within this Dade City transition area. Some of these locations have been identified at various board meetings because when they entered into Dade City, they did things to the topography that the Pasco County Comprehensive Plan was attempting to protect in this particular area. In any event, um in Pascoal 2050, we'd like to identify it. It does overlay the um Dade City uh incorporated
areas because uh there is an interlocal agreement between the county and the city that is supposed to cooperate as it relates to the Dade City transition area. But nevertheless, we have control over the unincorporated portions of the Dade City transition area. And what we're saying here is we're mapping it out to meet the policy that's already in the comprehensive plan and then capping the density within this area at six because res six is the highest level of density. that's currently
in the Dade City transition area. So that REST six will turn into SDR in Pasco twenty fifty, but then it'll be capped at six in this green area.
This we talked about this morning. Is there anything that also moved straight to mixed use nodes? Okay. So with that I'm gonna hand it over to Hyatt and we're gonna talk about mixed-use node overlays.
Right. I spoke too soon. I'm still here. Um so this is gonna be set up similar to how we presented the flues earlier. In the flu description materials that was submitted to the LPA uh for this workshop, you'll find the more comprehensive discussion and description of these overlays. Um but here I have just the high level um presentation of them on the slide. So we've created three mixed-use overlays that are opt-in overlays.
These will sit on top of the future land use categories that we've talked about at specific geographic locations within the county and if If somebody wants to participate in this overlay, they will be able to download it, if you will, onto their property. And this overlay will then become the flu for that property.
That will work with the underlying flu that's there today. So there's three of them, and they they're essentially the same, except that they increase in intensity and density as we go down the list. So a neighborhood corner, it has a density-intensity level of 6 to 12 dwelling units per acre with a 0.85 FAR. Um it's been contemplated to have a plus six density bonus. Um Provided that at least 10% of total units are affordable housing, this
is gonna sort of follow the affordable housing discussion we were having earlier. So, you know, whatever we end up deciding for SDR is going to make some adjustments uh to these flus also, or these overlays I should say. Um the community square is uh a density and intensity level of twelve point one to twenty-four dollars units per acre. And this is sitting at a 2.0 FAR. And this has the ability to uh it's contemplated to have a plus 12 density bonus on
the uh on the on the flue. And then the urban center, which is UCR, it has 18 to 40. You can see that neighborhood corners and community squares kind of imitate SDR, and then the urban center imitates UDR. It is at 18 to 40 dwelling units per acre with a 5.0 FAR, only because that can only exist in the urban service area. It can't exist anywhere else. And that's contemplated as the plus twenty-four uh density bonus. Um associated with
it. All of these flu overlays are going to support opportunities for small scale in the case of neighborhood corner, but medium and large scale mixed-use projects in the case of community cent square and urban center. These generally have a similar type of range of uses as Core and ROR, but also have the ability to do a wider range of residential
uses. The concept behind the overlays was that you could expand and have more flexibility on the types of land uses you could build on your project and get more intensity and density by virtue of the fact that you are at these specific locations within the county.
Terry, going back to that. With when you say density bonus, like the neighborhood corner plus six, so does that mean you can go up to eighteen units per acre? Is that what you mean by bonus?
Plus six, yes.
Snow for
urban
center you can go to sixty four development units per acre.
You could, yes. But the uh keep in mind that this has to be tempered now with the the the these particular density bonuses were developed prior to the inclusionary zoning ordinance study, report three. So um to the extent that we align with the report, you might see these density bonuses come down quite a bit. B they'll scale down uh considerably.
Well what can you explain the report?
In what sense?
So the so there is
it's it's a study. Is it an official document of the county? Is it uh is it an adopted policy?
Not yet.
Yeah, I can maybe explain a little better.
The board did an affordable housing workshop I would say about a year ago.
Mm-hmm.
And at that workshop they asked staff to pursue three concepts. One was ADUs, which now have been adopted. Another was um the inclusion of what we call gentle density increases, which I think Terry's pursuing through the Com Plan and Land Development Code. Okay. Is that accurate, Terry?
Yes. Yes.
Basically the ability to convert single family neighborhoods to duplexes, quadruplexes, those types of um units. And the third was inclusionary zoning. So as part of the inclusionary zoning request we commissioned uh the Florida Housing Coalition to do a study because one of the requirements for inclusionary zoning is that if you adopt such a program, state law requires that if you require a
set aside for affordable housing, you have to include incentives to offset the costs of that requirement. So we had Ford Housing Coalition study to see How much of a set aside can we require based on our recognized offsets, mostly being our impact fee waivers and parking reductions? So they did a study to determine how much of a set-aside could we legally do under the statute. That's
the study that he's referring to. to. So their conclusion I think was that we could do I think a ten five or ten percent set aside.
Five, ten, twenty percent and
scaled it. Um but we could only really do it for multifamily um that that
even for single family There may be a way to do it from a on a comp plan scale, but there was not a good way to do it because our incentives were not large enough, even at one hundred and twenty percent of AMI, to offset Um the required. But for multi-family and that's mostly because the single-family developers don't value a density bonus, was their conclusion. That a multi-family developer does have a value to a density bonus, but
a single family developer generally does not. Um they might value a comp plan change, the single family developer, but not necessarily are gonna value a bonus just that's sort of built into the a a their existing zoning or comp plant, if that makes sense. Um so Okay. That study was what concluded that with the impact fee waivers and a density bonus that you could achieve
a mandatory set aside for multifamily and that's what Terry's talking about here.
That's right.
He can get you a copy of the study if you want to see the details of it, but that's the
short
version of whatever.
Right, and that's why the the density bonuses are plussing off the high end of the scale because we're targeting the m the uh multifamily aspect. On on the spectrum. Um any other questions?
I have a question. On the neigh just in general, these what acreages would they be, say the neighborhood corner?
Uh we actually have them mapped. We have them mapped already. So I don't have the acre just off the top of my head, but they're that information can easily be downloaded.
That said though, we can start to talk about how we developed the mixed use nose and what that methodology looked like and then show the map too.
Probably
can't.
Okay. So you might wonder how did we come up with these three different nodes? So we looked at them at three, um, we use a three-step approach. The first one we did was the macro approach, then micro, and then governance. So at the macro level, we looked County wide, we identified major intersections and we evaluated each intersection based on the existing population density
using address points and as well as pedestrian infrastructure at those intersections to establish a quarter-mile walk-in radius. So this gave us a broad picture of where these mixed Use opportunities could make sense throughout the county. At the micro level, we evaluated each node individually again, and here we looked more closely at the future land use, at the existing use, the bike and pedestrian infrastructure,
the bus stops, the routes, and we also overlaid the IL or the industrial. Land use strategy study that was done by the Tampe Bay Um Regional Planning Council. So these nodes that did not that are there were a lot of nodes. We have identified over 50 nodes. Over eighty in the beginning, then we started um kind of funneling down down to fifty and then to twenty-seven total now that we have. Um so notes that did not
meet the criteria or the criteria that we had established at the micro level, they were nixed out of the the map. So finally, through the government process, we engaged our stakeholders, of course, to refined the results, and we narrowed down the number of nodes based on the feedback that we had gotten from our stakeholders and pretty much clarified the intended purpose and the function of each node as Terry just showed us. So after applying this three approach
process, um we have the map right here showing the different nodes at those different intersections.
So as you can see here in the dotted pink, those are our uh neighborhood commercial Nodes? and then the dark purple is the urban center nodes and the pink is the community square.
One thing to uh further note on the on the nodes. When we were looking at the um the walking radius, how do you pull that down here so we can see it?
When we were looking at the walking radius, we also looked at the uh presence of GoPasco routes, bus routes. So where the nodes are um located, especially the uh urban center nodes, um those were the f um how how did the go Pasco plan? The five minute headway.
I don't remember the exact terminology. I can see their map right now in my head.
It was about head yeah, about
five minutes. The the the point was that where we dropped the UCRs, Copasco buses could get i in and out of those areas pretty quickly. They were and they were present um uh in those areas. And then as you moved further away from them, um the the headways got longer and bigger. Um but again all of those purple dark purple areas are overlaid with the GoPasco plans to make sure that transit is operating within them. Not necessarily the case
with all of the community squares and definitely not the case with the neighborhood corners. When we looked at the population of the county, um We identified the that the north end of the county, I and I think not surprisingly, is more sparsely populated as compared to the south end of the county. And so you'll notice that a lot of the neighborhood corners are at the north end and a lot of the urban centers are either on the coast or uh along 54. So the nodes
were also responding to local population characteristics. A purple node is indicating that there's a higher headcount and and a density of people in that part of the county. That's where we put the more intense node. And where because of the infrastructure and where it was less uh populated, that's where the lighter neighborhood corners nodes were.
Was there any consideration of What's there? Yeah. So I'm looking at Moon Lake in fifty two. You might have a bunch of land within a quarter mile of a transit stop, but it's a swamp.
Uh generally speaking, we've carved out a lot of the wetlands, if I remember correctly. So directly at that end.
I'm looking at fifty-two and little. And the three corners that are uh community squares are already developed.
Right, because the almost all of the nodes are going to and remember they're overlays, but almost all of the nodes are going to have development in them. So it is part of a redevelopment strategy, redevelopment approach to the uh to those specific geographies.
We're simply having succeeded all things.
Yeah, that was your name.
Terry, I was just looking on the west side of nineteen, is you know, as far as storm and hurricanes, is that gonna uh how do you look at that in reference to development and intensity and all that?
That's the same thing. I'm looking at the west side of nineteen and fifty two. It's a state park.
And it and and in the coastal high hazard area in a flood zone.
Well, the northeast corner is a completely dead shopping center because it can't be redeveloped because it's sitting in a flood zone in the coastal high hazard area. And that's exactly why and the southwest corner, I hate to say it, is one of the county's worst homeless camps, but it's not being developed because of the same reason.
That's understood but w when we mapped the uh it doesn't look like it on this map, but if you zoom in on a like Pasco map or the uh the extent of the parcel may include a wetland or a coastal land uh component to it, but the front parts of the parcel will have the development on it. So the entire the entirety of the parcel is included, but that doesn't mean you're going to develop
the whole parcel. It's only part the part the net developable part of the parcel that will be able to be redeveloped. But again it it's for redevelopment purposes in some areas of the county. Then certainly the U C Rs that we think about as overlays on along nineteen would definitely have redevelopment. I'm not
opposed to this
focus.
I'm just trying to figure out what's the impetus for it.
Mm-hmm.
Uh I think it provides additional flexibility for redevelopment. You're not ham you're not uh pigeonholed, if you will, to uh and or limited to what the flu
couldn't give that land away.
Right now. Who knows about twenty fifty?
I gotta have a reason people have to have a reason to move there.
And what I see and and and don't get me wrong, I don't think any of these things are bad. But I see all this focus on providing affordable housing, affordable housing, affordable housing. How about provide some jobs so that people you know, there's two ways to deal with the affordable housing problem. One is figure out one how to make housing affordable. without government subsidies. Or two, the other is increase the AMI.
Okay? That's the that's the more obvious answer. And that means having a jobs And I'm seeing all these things that give housing densities Affordable set asides for affordable housing
I like David's idea, some inland ports. That's what that's what gets the AMI up.
But I'm not again not against these things. It's just and I look at these 'cause I live in this area. I drive by these things every day and I know these parcels you've got identified and I'm like Nobody in their right mind is going to develop over there. There's a million environmental reasons they can't develop over there. You can give you I can give 'em that land.
This is pretty consistent with your view, which is a good view. We are doing a redevelopment study along the US 19 Carter. In fact, we should kick that off next year and next calendar year. Then we're going to look for employment opportunities and we're going to develop some form-based design standards with transecting to allow employment activities within the garter.
And and I might, you know, add, while it's not part of the specific comprehensive plan update discussions that we have here today, um, but having mapped out specific areas for targeted development also means that we would have mapped out specific areas that we can apply specific incentives to. And instead of, you know, putting an entire you know, right now, for example, I'm not saying it's bad or anything, but just using it as an example, we have West Market Area
mobility fee incentives that apply to an area the size of Philadelphia. theoretically we could have mu far more targeted incentives to specific parts of the nineteen corridor, the left market area, that would help become more that would help catalyze redevelopment activity um in specific locations. That's not part of the main discussion here of the mixed use. I'm just saying that that's an additional benefit that we could look at down the down the road.
Well the L P A kicked off the process. We just uh approved it MPUD at the Times Penny
Yeah. Mm.
Yeah, we're gonna go back to the and that's I guess that's kinda my point. Aye.
And I I apologize for the language I'm about to use, but I just don't feel like we need to have set asides for vertical slums. When we need really what we need is jobs. We should be looking to figure out how to make more times publishing projects.
And there are are all kinds of incentives out there for affordable housing. They're not building it and then I hear all of this government talk, government talk, government talk. The problem with government doesn't know anything about housing, it doesn't build housing. And when it does, it's a disaster. But nobody's asked the question of how do I actually make the housing affordable. And every time I turn around, I come in here and we're making another land development code amendment. that makes the housing more unaffordable.
We need to start looking at that. That's outside this workshop.
But Terry, just so I'm clear, somebody could do an entirely non residential project in these nodes, right?
Correct, yes.
This is just saying that if they do residential They'd have to have the set of side.
Great, and they can all work at the brand new Chipotle at fifty-two and little. Making f twelve dollars an hour. I'm sorry it'll be fifteen dollars an hour in January, but
Just change.
Yeah.
But that's just an overlay, it's not a mandatory, it's a it really need to do that. That's correct.
What I'm trying to figure out is how do we get we need employers with that make things and that pay good wages.
Could you put one of these
or bring bring bring an educational facility in here. You know, one of the things I hear all of s from E D C we don't have a trained workforce, we don't have a trained workforce, yeah, because we don't have any educational facility here. Think about if we brought in a big educ I got a a dead mall on US nineteen. That's nothing. Half of it's a half of it's an empty apartment complex, a half empty apartment complex. I had the opportunity to drive back there the other day. I don't even know how they're surviving.
It's a beautiful apartment complex. It's half empty.
There during the COVID era and they would didn't have any vacancies about three or half, four years ago.
They got 'em.
We also have additional apartments that have been improved and they're being constructed as low and moderate income with the old sears site.
Well, yeah, I know, and it's been a giant p it's been a giant overgrown pile of rubble now for two or year two plus years that nothing's happening there. Well
we we've been trying and I'm working with
I know you can't do it. I know you can't do
it. We've been working with the uh Gulfview Mall owner for about four years now. And we we've had a couple of potential pending transactions to come in and rip it down and do some mixed use. But each time there was a macro situation and the the project lost financing, but we're still working that.
Those people are impossible to deal with. Those people in New
York. They are interesting New York football.
Yes, they are 'cause they asked me to work to do panel for 'em and I said, No, thanks.
It's
crazy. I apologize, Terry. Go ahead.
The w you know, to your point, Mr. Moody, about making things more difficult, the the spirit of this comprehensive plan has been to not make things more difficult, to add that. I mean
could Terry, could you do put an AI center on all this? There's
a moratorium. I can't s I can't speak to that right now.
After next year I'm
talking
about. Yeah,
I
mean it's an ideal spot really. Won't bother anybody.
Yeah. Um
r rang employment.
Well, it's under construction. Unfortunately after it's built there's no employment. That's the problem with them.
Well no, the the the A there's lots of construction jobs created to build the AI data center, but there's not permanent workers in the AI data center. It's a few computer techs and
Yeah, just but they serve but they develop a lot of revenue for the county.
So Well that may be. I but yeah.
Um
so that
we can build affordable housing.
Like I
said,
one way to make housing affordable is for people to make right, this is all based on your AMI. Well if the AMI comes up and nothing happens to the price of the house, then the house got more affordable, right? Right. And that's what I'm saying. The problem is there's no major employment base. We're a, you know, retail and service-based economy. We don't make anything. And that's why I'm fascinated with his inland port idea. I think that's the best idea I've heard all day. I
would love to see Usther do doing more of those and then looking at these nodes that Terry's talking about focused around places where I'm actually gonna have people that have jobs. I'm not trying to make slurs about Moon Lake, but there's a lot of people out there in Moon Lake that don't have jobs.
And they're on what
business And they ain't taking the bus to go to sell drugs. So Well yes some of them actually do but
And again, as I as I noted, the the boundaries help identify the potential to create the incentives and the programs that will help bring those types of jobs and developments into Pasco. Because that is where the best infrastructure, um, or at least the the most concentrated level of infrastructure is located within the county based on the analysis that we done.
I'm just trying to figure it out. I don't mean to be argumentative. Yes you do. There's a well Yeah, 'cause I've been around. There's an Aldi at the southeast corner. It used to be a Win Dixie. I designed that Win Dixie shopping center back in nineteen ninety five. And one of the problems that we had was Mr. Gallagher. Did no David you weren't even here yet. Mr. Gallagher and Mr. Parik insisted on getting some dedicated left turn
lanes from fifty-two onto Moon Lake Road. And I pat myself on the back. I was the guy to solve the geometric problem to figure out how to get the turn lanes in there because I was bumping up against the Saranova preserve. And that's what I'm trying to see. You got a pink dot on what's a preserve.
I know it is 'cause I was did the project. It's a swamp.
what is it?
Yeah, there's a small pack.
But is it is it left over is it is it of the non
That's no
that is also wrong. When the parcel was grabbed, it grabbed the whole parcel, not the not just the net developer bar to the parcel. That's it. Yeah.
Yeah. So um again it's an overlay and the intent of the overlay is to provide more flexibility, more capability at these particular locations. Uh to the extent that there may be, as I said, wetlands or coastal land within the color, it's because the whole parcel was pulled. And we're only really looking at the net developable portions of those parcels. Um
What's on the screen now is kind of an extension of the discussion that we were having as it relates to um
identifying locations for more intensity, more density development. And that's these that's this map if we can zoom it out a little bit so we can see the title.
Yeah, zoom out so they can see the whole map. Uh this is the transit emphasis corridors uh in Pasco County. So right now within the comprehensive plan, the transit emphasis corridors are very large geographies. Um these geographies go back a mile, up to a mile, I think, north of State Road 54, for example. in areas where transit is never really going to get to. So why the why the very large geography when we know that the bus is only going to stay on fifty four and it's not really going to come off. It's not
going to get off of nineteen specifically. So what we did is we paired down the transit emphasis corridors in Pasco 2050 to be the actual corridors themselves. And we've identified a number of different corridors that all have transit on them today, with the exception of Hancart Road, which is the purple line. Uh that runs basically down the center of the OPH. I don't know why this thing turns off.
Terry, um I just want to bring up a point regarding transit carters. Transit's evolving very quickly. As you know, suburban transit is very difficult difficult to manage and be successful because of the dispersion of development. We're entertaining now at Copasco with a micro mobility product. It's a prototype in the Shady Hills area. Which public vehicles will be dispatched in real time based on an Uber type of app and people
can be transported within their geo-fenced area, their neighborhood, and their read their their micro-community, and and or be transported to the regional bus service. So we will be feeding the fixed route and serving people where a fixed route can't serve them. So I think there'll be a and this is going after twenty fifty and we're in twenty two thousand twenty six and we're instituting this pilot. So I would just be thoughtful of that that transit's gonna change.
Yeah, uh this is map two-twenty-three. This is what our current comprehensive plan identifies as the Transit Emphasis Corridor. It's basically the entire west market area and essentially the entire south market area. Which we know buses can't go everywhere in there. And we don't have enough buses to go everywhere in this. These maps have essentially uh in the planning paradigm that existed the previous fifteen, twenty years, have not contributed much to the discussion and the deliberations
that have taken place when we've talked about coverage of planning. amendments and different projects that have um uh that have come across the Planning Commission and local planning agencies. So we've paired those down as I noted on the other map uh down to specific areas um with the exception being that Hancart Road doesn't have any buses on it today. But there I think there's like three or four villages in the villages of Pasadena Hills that are based or centered on Hankart. So at some point in the future you could reasonably expect that a bus might go down up and down uh a bus route
rather might go up and down Hancart Road. Um It's emphasizing land use on these corridors. It's emphasizing potential for incentives targeted to corridors, if we want to. There's no incentives that are baked into the comprehensive plan update right now. This is just setting up For future activity to take place. If we if we ever wanted to focus on the 19 routes, for the 19 route,
for example, which is the orange line that runs along 19 and then comes it comes in off of the coast a little bit. Or if we wanted to focus on the green line that runs along 52 and Moon Lake, or if we wanted to focus on the yellow line. Or the brown lines that are on the uh eastern part between Bakuchi and Dade City or Zephyrhills. It allows us to be specific to those uh and and pivot without making large incentive incentivize promises, I guess, to large geographic areas.
Um I don't have a problem with your corridors here, but I know that Commissioner Mariano has been pushing really strongly for express bus on the Sun Coast and specifically Getting a connection from the Moffitt campus um down to the airport. And so I notice you're not showing anything on the Sun Coast.
I don't know if that's something you wanna think about. Um as a feature. I mean, because you're showing hand card as a feature route. Mm-hmm. If you're gonna show future routes in here, you might want to think about showing the Sun Coast as well.
Yeah, I'm con sorry, I I apologize, David. I'm confused with the transit MPUS corridors, are these just saying this is where you're gonna have transit or where I'm going to have development in a form that encourages the use of transit.
That was the initial idea behind the Transit Emphasis corridors of the comprehensive plan. We we've sort of pared it down significantly. Mainly along the front edge of these corridors and the emphasis really is going to be um on the land use side, not necessarily on the design side per se. Um
There's not a lot of policy behind the transit emphasis quarters, if I'm if I'm quite honest. We haven't gotten to the GOPs yet, so you'll you haven't seen that. But you will you what you'll see is goal flu 10 of the current comprehensive plan has essentially been um Eliminated. So we've quite we've deleted quite a bit from Gold Flu 10 because of of um how those goals, objectives, and policies were not uh Um And then Actionable. Can
I ask a question?
Well that Yeah, but before you ask your question though, I guess my my larger point is is that the The two major links to that we've had with the region as far as transit connectivity have been the Sun Coast and either I seventy five or Bruce B Downs. And you're not really showing those as transit emphasis corridors, yet those have been the two areas that we've always talked about as being the first areas we would connect
to our neighbors to the south, along with nineteen.
Yeah.
So I'm just I don't know but the top I don't know if we're I mean is this sort of s it seems like local connectivity, you know, local transit corridors.
Intra Pasco, yeah.
But it's not necessarily focused on where would transit connect with a larger region.
Yes. Th this is not necessarily transit lines specifically. This is a map that's setting us up for future land use decisions. Cap lowercase F future land use decisions going forward depending on the the planning circumstances of the day. I think one of the main reason we didn't include the Sun Coast is because it's limited access and what we're looking at, what we've been looking at is
our full access road. Like 54, 52, 19, etc. Um we can look at Bruce B downs though, and I think we should. Um but that doesn't diminish Commissioner Mariano's uh intent to get rapid transit on uh the Sun Coast. That's not what this map is actually
talking about. David, the question that I had was Dis is the anticipation that people would fly in to T to T to T P eight and then be bust up in the Moffitt for treatment? Is that the right-of-way? Yeah, so
you
think
that's part of his goal or that or that also to get employees from the Pasco Mafa campus to
But I think that you'd want to be able to get people from that Maffa campus into Tampa in general. Um Um but the biggest his biggest goal is to be able to get a connection from Pasco to the airport.
Well I I get that. That makes perfect sense to me. I think you've
used that as like the if we're if if Pasco's going to use transit, that would be the first type of transit that we would use as a connection to the airport.
Makes sense. Can I Without you taking offense.
We're planning out twenty-five years from now. And then there'll be another effort at some point in the future, assuming the laws stay the same, and who knows what'll happen in the next twenty-five years.
I feel like we're planning the transit around yesterday and not tomorrow.
One of the things they say about the military is that they're one hundred percent prepared to win the last war. And we're watching this going on right now on the news every night. Our military is one hundred percent prepared to win the last war and we are not prepared for drones and missiles and these things and I see us talking about automobiles and buses And I'm thinking about intelligent
vehicles in a I can picture Elon Musk having a train of electric vehicles in an express lane that moves, or I can actually picture trains of drones, you know, I we had a talk in here about, you know What were we doing about kind of human scale drones and taking those vertical vertiports, I think was the term you used for 'em. And I think we need to be looking at.
I look at what's happened in my lifetime over the course of the current comprehensive plan. I went from dial up Internet on America online to I got I got now I'm worried about intellig uh Artificial intelligence killing the human race and if I if I watch the news they're gonna kill the human race in the next ten years or whatever. I mean who would have ever imagined these things? But I just feel like We're going to be able to do that. There needs to be some more vision
about what the future of transit is going to be, not what yesterday's clunky diesel smoke spewing buses are that nobody rides And We if if the goal is to encourage transit, we're going to need something that people are willing to to take. They're not willing to take the bus. They've shown that. We've been had the bus here for years and years and nobody no there's no significant ridership. That's not to say that if I could get
a drone to take me from here down to West Shore to have a nice dinner and back, I might probably do that. But I think some there should be some thought given to what the transit might look like ten years, fifteen years from now, and I think we're gonna be beyond buses. Things are accelerating at a rate that we've never ever experienced before. And it it's it's almost accelerating hyperbolically.
Over time we well we're a traditional county. We're not an urban area, so we're not we're not early adopters of transit innovation. But over time, people will be buying transportation as a service, not an equity uh resource where they buy the transit vehicle. In fact, um I've been going to some some um some autonomous vehicle conferences that the state's been running since uh probably ten years ago. And their their intention is is to uh
it deploy Um autonomous vehicle operations here. They have a testing ground outside of Orlando, and that is imminent.
We see in the counties to the south, they're starting to toy with the human-scale drones, drone taxis.
They're not only where we're going to put development. These are their land use implications. We don't need a C of parking. If we're using autonomous vehicles that are paid for by the trip or the service, they'll have they could be peripherally located. They don't have to be by the front door. And we can repurpose that valuable land for redevelopment. So we have that. We have Waymo operating now here in Tampa and St. Pete, and they're going to come up and be in Weston Chapel. Sure. Just
found out that the Tesla organization is going to take their store over at Weston Chapel and adapt a portion of it for tax. Taxis, autonomous taxis.
I mean I I would have never thought that a Walmart in New Port Richey would be delivering packages by drones and I I just think that that's something That maybe we ought to at least leave some placeholders for in this plan and be looking at it. I realize you know not everybody can be an expert in all of these technologies that are accelerating so quick, but it just seems like a lot of this focus is on yesterday's transit
when we're really looking, we're making a plan for tomorrow.
Yeah, I I think Mr. Moody, th the word placeholder is a good description of what we are um illustrating on the transit emphasis corridors. map, though it is overlaid with the transit that we have today, as successful as it may be, or not, we are leaving it open for the future because as you said, the the rate of innovation right now is we can't keep up. Whatever whatever we put into the comprehensive plan is going to be uh obsolete in a couple of months per
or sooner for that matter. So what we wanted to do what we're thinking about, what we want to think about with the Transit Emphasis Corridor is that one, as human beings, we're spatially based. We're spatially based, and as a result, there's always going to be a need for some form of consolidation of land use and infrastructure. Now emanating from that consolidation, there's going to be opportunities that we know of, such as buses, and opportunities that we don't know of in the future. Those too are going to be spatially based, but at
some point we have to identify where do we want our interaction with those, with that new technology. That can happen, and we can discuss those things along the the framework that the Transit Ephesus Corridors map is talking to us. State Row 54 is always going to be a place that we're going to be going to, and it's always going to be a place that is going to take us from point A to point B. even as technology changes, whether we're doing that autonomously or
we're manually driving our vehicles. But we're going to have to have a location that we can all agree to and synchronize the the local community that this is where we can access this new innovation or this new technology because it's not gonna happen in the areas that are like north of fifty four, say somewhere back here where Striky Ranch is or up up in the Bexley areas. Um it's not gonna happen back there. If someone's gonna wanna do something, they're gonna come
in this in the centralized location of wherever that may be. I don't know what that is. It's kinda strange to say that. We're supposed to be the planning department and we're supposed to like, you know, tell the future and what things are gonna be. I I think, you know, we can get so far as we've talked about today with future land use. Uh but at some point we have to recognize that
Right. We have to make let's put a pin in it. And when the situation arises we have a framework at least to respond.
To adapt to it, yeah.
Right.
Um that basically completes our presentation for today, I think. Is that the last slide? That's it. So um our next do you wanna talk about the next workshops that are coming up? So Hyatt, I'll talk to you all about the next workshop. I appreciate everybody's time today on the Thanks, Terry. And uh keep in mind if you if you can, just dwell on the affordable housing question so that w at maybe future workshops we can adjust some of these scales on the densities.
Okay. Thank you. Thank you.
Okay, so the next workshops are gonna be on ten eight and ten twenty two and that's after the public um hearing w um meetings. Unfortunately we're having issues with uh the rooms.
Kind of uh you know, the MPO has the rooms in the morning of the ten eight and ten twenty two. So unfortunately we cannot get those um time frames. But if We can send out um some more availabilities uh for the boardrooms and hopefully you will be able to um send us your availabilities as well to match with the availability of the rooms that we can find in between ten eight and ten
twenty two.
We could use
Jamie's house.
We had
we've got a massive album on the golf course.
Nice. So until then, um the two short ones are ten eight and ten twenty two after the public hearing.
Okay.
Thank
you.
David. We're fine, sir. Thank you for your time today.
All right. Thank you for your input
too.