Bass Lake Acres, PVAS No. 3312 (CONSENT) — Board of County Commissioners — Board Initiated Public Hearing — $901,133.00
What the county recorded
Staff recommendation
Approve
DispositionApproved
Approved Staff’s recommendation by roll call vote with Commissioner Mariano voting nay.
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Then the item will remain on consent. Adam P one fifteen.
Item P one fifteen was published in the Tampa Bay Times on November fourth, twenty twenty.
P115 is PW21-0017 Bass Lake Acres, PVAS number 3312. And it is a board initiated uh for nine hundred and one thousand one hundred and thirty-three dollars and the recommendation is approval.
You know, um
Yeah, obviously.
Oh I see.
Okay. Is there anyone here to speak against item P one fifteen?
Uh yes, there are um individuals um on the WebEx and I believe out in the kiosk.
Okay. So given that this is a consent agenda item and there's opposition, um I would recommend that it be pulled from consent.
Okay. Will be one fifteen from consent. move move I guess move to a regular item so we take
it up
after we do
we'll take take it up after you finish your consent agenda, yes. Okay. All right. We'll go on
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And I need to make sure that she um states her name and address for the record and that she has been.
Is she unmuted? She's unmuted.
Yes. Hi, could you please state your name and address for the record and also if you have been sworn?
My
name is Christine Pasano. I live in [address removed]. I have
not been swimming. All right, if you could please raise your right hand. Do you swear or affirm the testimony you're about to give is the truth, so help you God. I do. Thank you. You may proceed.
Before you start, do you have your T V or another microphone on in there? We're getting a lot of
I do not.
Please going through the runbacks.
Go ahead.
Well we In our neighborhood had a previous meeting and it was determined that the work that they are going to do on this project is not gonna help the major issue, which is flooding.
So there really is no point in resurfacing streets if you're not fixing the major problem.
And honestly d the streets around here are in pretty good condition except for one. So I don't really understand the need for this.
That's it.
Okay. Then the next person that is signed up to speak is Michael Pasano.
Is uh Mr. Pizzano there? Michael Pizzano?
What's that?
So the um assumption is that since they have the same last name and live at the same address that they would be sharing the same line. So not a separate call in for him. Is he available?
I don't know if it's available.
Okay. So he's not logged into WebEx, so if he's not with you then um Chairman, would you like to move on?
If he's not available then we'll move on. They got someone else signed it.
Okay. Um I th um there's no um email to be read into the record, so we might want to check the kiosk.
Is anyone at the kiosk to speak to this item? Okay.
You have multiple people at the kiosk, so I'm gonna bring the first person up. Okay.
Hello sir. If you could state your name, address and that you've been sworn for the record.
Uh Robert Kral, [address removed]. And I have been sworn in.
You may proceed.
Yes, I'm representing probably ninety percent of the people that live in Bass Lake. Got blindsided a little bit, but uh I drive these roads every day and I have forty-five years of underground utility paving and this uh what you're wanting to do makes no sense. You got one road that I wouldn't even call 'em plot holes. And I would also like to see where you cord the
And it says that you have to put in full base. I don't quite understand that. Those streets were put in properly the first time, I'm sure. So you they the one street probably needs resurfacing and that's it. The base. When it fails, it's puts us under water all the time. And at the quarter of Brookwood And Crest and water sat for months. The road was closed. The base is still in
very good shape and it's dried out and the road doesn't even need paved there. So you're you're spending or trying to spend a lot of money that just is not needed
that area and it looks like the public works engineering are in this letter is not recommending any improvements to the drainage. There's very little drainage. It's mostly uh uh swales. The sheet flows into the swales and if Bass Lake comes up the water's gonna sit. It equalizes. So at this point, um I uh appreciate you uh hopefully turning this
down. It is not needed. Thank you.
Thank you for comments.
Thank you.
Does someone else at the kiosks to speak to this item?
Might.
Name and address and if you've been sworn
Lynette Kroll, [address removed].
Have you done sworn?
Yes.
Go ahead.
Okay, I'm speaking because of the way we were actually notified of this. Um, it was supposed to be coming certified letter. I never even signed for my certified letter. Um I was uh wondering how I got it because that little green sheet was missing. So I was told that my carrier signed for me. Which I've never even heard of. But the other thing is a lot of other people said the same thing. that they got it certified and they also
did not sign for it. Also, there's a lot of people in the neighborhood that never even got a letter. So when we started like s talking as a neighborhood, we found out that um a lot of the the meetings were set up after the fact that the people actually did get their letter. So when I talked to um I believe it was Rich Jenkins, he stated that there was not a lot of um complaints. Um about What we were trying to what you were trying to
do. But the reason I feel that is, is because the communication was very poor. Also, um I've talked to a lot of people who they just can't afford it. This is a working class neighborhood. Some of the homes are worth $50,000. And so in order to fix a road that doesn't really need fixed and to charge us taxes, there's a lot of upset people.
My
husband and I have county water. We brought in the county water ourselves, and nobody else in that neighborhood has county water. So if you want to spend some money, put in the county water and then repave the roads. But they're really feeling like they're not getting anything for what you're gonna be charging them for. Thank you.
Thank you for your comments.
All right, name name and address for the record and have you been sworn.
It's Diane Bray, [address removed].
And have you been sworn?
Yes, I have.
Um I I am holding in my hand a petition that was signed by approximately 60 people. 99% of the people I spoke with, of all the houses I went to, everyone was adamantly against this. The only reason I didn't get more signatures is those people weren't at home. One gentleman said to me that he was for it, and that was only because he didn't seem to understand what you were doing. He thought you were going to be doing improvements to the storm drainage issue because he has
flooding issues. So it was just his ignorance that made him not willing to sign the petition. In talking to people and going door to door to speak with people, like I said, everyone signed the petition. Everyone also made an indication to me that their neighbors weren't home right now, but that they were adamantly against this project as well. As my neighbor has said, we are a working class area. afford to have this done and we do not feel it needs to be done. It seems
to me like it's putting a band-aid on a broken arm because we have a lot of flooding issues in that neighborhood and that is not being looked at. They're saying it doesn't need to be fixed. So at this point No one in the neighborhood is making an indication that this is something that they want or can afford.
Is that all your comments?
Yes it is.
All right. Thank you.
Thank you.
I guess they're getting some.
Name and address for the record and if you've been sworn.
Jessica Ramirez, [address removed]. And yes, I have been sworn in.
Okay.
I'm coming here to speak today on this project as to oppose to this project. And the questions that the meeting that we had before about the questions. It seems like the road being fixed. Um There is no real reason for the road being fixed. If there was the drainage, if drainage was being fixed, drainage was being put in, maybe there would be a reason for that. I feel as a homeowner, um,
that if we have another storm Uh pretty paved road. That's not higher, that's not doesn't have drainage under it is not gonna help me. It's not gonna help my home. It's not gonna help me get out of my home. anything like that. So um I was very confused with um Why the road needs to re be replaced. Um as it stands is pretty good and like I said if we have another
storm that comes through it's It's gonna just cover the road. There's no drainage. It's been um put in the letter here. um at the bottom of the letter that we were sent that um drainage will not be worked on. Um so at that point What are we doing the road for? Um as my other neighbor said, we are a working class neighborhood. So um the price is very much for most of us to bear in that neighborhood. Um,
it's also a very older neighborhood of Pasco County that's been there for a very long time. I think that if um You guys were willing to give something to the residents by letting the residents tie into county water and we rip up the road and you know fix the roads that way, fix some drainage, move some drainage, then I would be all for it. I'd write you a check today. But unfortunately that's not happening. The only thing happening is we're gonna repave the road.
So I am definitely opposed um to this project and I feel that um Most of you that are, you know, new Um on the board. Um should really be worrying about Pasco County residents. Um and not just Spending money wherever, you know. I think that if you were to come in and fix drainage and maybe give the option to homeowners for county and then repave
the road. there would be a reason for that. But I find no reason for this as of right now. That's my comment
here. Mr. Chairman Mariano.
Question. Um one of the residents mentioned there was a petition. I asked for some Hernandez. We don't have a copy of that. Would somebody maybe want to get that from That petition, that signed petition from Ralph, okay that way we can see it and if we get it we can do a motion to receive a file. Because you're saying it's out that you just haven't gotten a cop yet.
Oh
yeah. All right. Thank you, sir.
Okay.
I only get one signing for how there's no one else signed up for this item.
Okay, thank you.
There's built on the back of different houses.
Okay, that's uh All that we have signed up. Is anyone else here to speak to this item?
Answer, do you want to uh cover this item as far as the vote and Have cap to this board.
Yes, sir. Uh good afternoon. In the call to public works. Um what I'd like to do is just give a brief overview. Um back in March uh twenty eighth, twenty seventeen, the Board of County Commissioners approved for uh double chip seal for the um roads impacted in two thousand fifteen sixteen floods, and that is the background behind this. This is being brought forward as uh board initiated project. Um slides please.
And so you may The commissioner may already know, but you may want the new commissioner wasn't here during that process. You may want to describe why we did that what that process is.
Sure. Um so back
in
2015-16 we had some very um Heavy rains, we had uh the roads were damaged, there was flood damage, and the Board of County Commissioners agreed that they would do a temporary fix. Basically a chip sealed, very, very temporary, like a band-aid, and then the board requested that we bring back these roads. This is one of uh I think about thirteen projects and we have done about seven or eight so far. So this is number, you know it's going through the list as to have
these projects brought brought to the board for your approval to get the road brought up to the standards it should be.
And I am familiar with there being a temporary fix on these roads. Yes. And they were not charged an assessment for those roads. So I wasn't sure I did speak to
So with a temporary fix there was no assessment. But it was with the understanding the board told us that with the board funding these temporary fixes, we'll have to bring it back as a board initiated project. That's why we're here with with this project.
Correct. I'm familiar that there were a lot of other communities that were impacted, so I wasn't sure. If the temporary fix is only gonna last for so long, maybe we can go to another community and then do theirs last?
It's the board's um I'm bringing it forward to the board, board will tell me uh tell us what to do.
Oh.
Mr. Chairman Mariano. Question. How many E R Us?
Can I just run through the The presentation or something.
That covers it.
Yeah, take your time. I think I'm still waiting. I think the petition was coming. I saw Ralph had it in his hand. Maybe he's making a copy. Is that what's going on? Okay.
Mm-hmm.
Sorry. Yes.
Thank you.
We don't know households though, just ERUs. Those are ERUs. ERUs. We don't know how many households then.
I guess we would know because we would send the letters to
it would be approximately 140. Because it's typically one ERU.
Is it okay there's not there's no double lots or anything like that that
we're aware of? I I can't say. I
But actually there wouldn't have been a vote because this was board initiative.
No, this is board initiative. There's no vote in the
book.
That's true. Okay, so we wouldn't know how many home okay. Yes, property owners are not not not allowed to vote. Okay.
Mr. Chairman, do you mind if we hold for one second to see that we get that um copy of the petition? So we can see how many people signed it. I think it's on the way.
Yeah.
Thank you, sir.
So there's no vote on this and it what board um Did that was it before? Sixteen.
Was it previous for the easy one?
March twenty twenty eighth, twenty seventeen.
Okay, this is
a board that yeah.
That was at board meeting
yes,
sir.
But I was just trying to figure out when the commissioners were here and that
I'm sorry I don't remember who was on board at that time.
Yeah, if it was in two thousand seventeen that we asked for that, it'd be basically us and Mr Wells.
I think you
second move the motion.
What? Mr
Mr. Chairman Mariano.
Do we have pictures of what the roads look like prior to us temporarily fixing it?
Shall I go through or just skip through the photographs? You can move forward, please. Uh the prior to fixing
these are from today, right? These are
No, no, prior to prior to the chip seal.
Prior to the chip seal.
And the very very last slide is what it looks like today. If you continue. So you see the reflective cracks are coming up th um back through the the chip seal. As I said, it was a temporary fix.
Mr. Chairman Mariano.
Yes.
So um I've been I was on the board um when we had the flooding. And the roads collapsed. And um the taxpayers of Pasco County, I think we got some federal money. Yes. Yes. And we um selected the worst of the worst to go out and put this temporary fix because we had to do something right away because these roads look like oatmeal. And the uh garbage trucks, the school buses, no one could drive on these
roads. So um We did that with the understanding that we would come back and do board initiated on these chip seal roads. And so they may see something that looks good right now. Maybe it's all not as bad, though I'm looking online and I see some really bad spots. This is n this is gonna peel off soon. And and what you're gonna have underneath when it rains is gonna be really bad. So um can you address the um The
water on the roads and full de I guess you're on some of these you're doing full depth reclamation? Yes.
So um There is the basin, the stormwater basin-related drainage, which we are not addressing, not this entire basin. But in terms of road-related drainage, yes. And the thing we're planning to do is full-depth reclamation, and that is adding cement into the base, and it provides uh impervious surface. So when you have water trying to infiltrate and get into the line. Because the cement is in there, it doesn't uh dissolve it so to speak. So
there are a number of methods uh we're introducing to minimize the the the the the or strengthen the existing uh road base.
So we've not denied we have not turned down a chip seal board initiated project yet.
As of yet, yes.
And I think it would be a slippery slope if we started doing that. Because you how many more more of them do you have to bring to us? I think
I would go four more.
Yeah. So while not maybe politically Um Favorable to some. This is something that that is a responsibility of ours because in a heavy another heavy rain event We are gonna have real problems out there. So I would move for this to move forward. We've we've covered we've Taking up twenty five percent the county's paying? Yes. And um what is the interest rate that we'll be charging?
Um it's it was noticed at five percent, but as we said in our uh agenda memo, whatever the prevailing interest rate is that is approved by the board at the time it is being billed, the law of the two will be used. So if it's
Okay, so that is the maximum they could pay, but they will probably be paying Less.
Probably.
Yeah. Most I mean. We could we could say they're paying less. So. And it's over how many years will they be paying?
It's over a ten year period. Okay.
Do they have the option for over fifteen?
If the board chooses
Well uh one what happens when we lengthen that is that less money comes into the P VASP program and then we can't do more roads. So um So
it's ten year standard, okay?
It used to be five and we've kind of extended it to ten. So
Well five it depends on if it's less than a thousand dollars. So it's five. There are different thresholds.
Yeah. Mm-hmm. Mr. Chairman Mm-hmm Yes. Mr. Mariano. Jack
Mariano? Yes. Thank you. Um, yeah, I'm very familiar with this neighborhood. Matter of fact, uh the Krulls, I've known them for many, many years. And Mr. Krell is in the uh construction business. Uh Mrs. Krell is in the real estate business, so they're very familiar with what's going on. Uh especially knowing there's a petition out there not to do this. This is a lot of money. Um, I know we've got the project we're working on with Swiftbud uh down the street, Hidden Lake, which may help this area quite a bit with the flooding. Uh these roads are not gonna disintegrate,
I don't think, right away. Uh they've been through some events in the past year that uh has had some water and caused moisture. So I think should actually wait until we fix the flooding part of this. I don't see the urgency to go do it. And I will tell you I've got other areas of my district that We need to get paving and we're gonna go spend 900 grand on doing and paving this. That may include another project. It could even be one of the other four projects need to get done, but I don't think this one needs to be done. At the minimum, I would continue this at least uh uh get get more input from the
citizens especially when there's so many out there that seem to be against it.
Mr. Chairman Mariano.
Yes,
sir.
I mean I agree with both Commissioner Starkey and Mariano about the you know, obviously Commissioner Starkey brought up some good points about the road, but Commissioner Oriano, I mean I I'm reading the petition here. So we have an overwhelming majority of the residents that actually live there on the road that are stating that They're o they're okay with the road conditions now. And I have a concern as well about the drainage. And that's the main problem out there, right? If we talk about the flooding every year. Well, unless
we f are able to fix the flooding issues and find a a r some type of resolve for the drainage I can only assume that our roads are gonna not gonna last that long out there. If we rebuild them now without any drainage improvements.
So we are doing road related drainage and also um with the addition of the cement, full depth reclamation, it the base is impervious. So you won't have the infiltration of the water um melting the lime rock for lack of a better word.
During a flood event. A flood event won't affect it like with this combination of the easy.
So you don't feel that that road would ever need to be Um demoed at all for any type of possible future drainage improvements that need to happen out there because of the I mean we've all driven it during the storms.
I cannot say I'm the
stormwater. I mean that's my concern. I mean I
mean
again we I got a we got a petition in hand where we got an overwhelming majority of of the residents really are like, nah, we're good.
Um Just to let you know, Commissioner, there's there's a project with and Mr. Mary Allen have brought it up, there's a project in the future with hopefully in the near future, not the far future, but uh with Hidden Lake. That'll actually help save these areas from flooding like they have in the past. Up to um Saving some like sixty homes or more from flooding. And uh when that project can go forward then it'll help help this area a lot. So That's
out there. It's not there yet, but it's out there. Mr. Chairman M Yes, sir.
And as well as I'm glad you brought that up, and I know you're very familiar with it, as well as that project as well, we have got the Magnolia Valley project, the Port Richey, which starts down there, and that water does flow that way as well. So these stormwater improvements we've got in place will help. And I don't think if it's if it takes two, three, four years down the road, I think the residents will be fine with it. And especially knowing the insurance that with fixed The drainage, which is their biggest priority, that they'll be patient, waiting for the road to get redone after the fact. I think the value
would be but would be much better for them as well.
So what is the timeline on the drainage project?
I guess I'm asking Mike Carbala's office.
Any drainage project in the area that would ha would help these people.
Well didn't they change the drainage from instead of going to north over Ridge Road and west and then back south on Ridge Road, they're going to change it? Yes. They're gonna keep it so it doesn't go all the way around.
Yes, sir.
Commissioner, I'm not aware of any stormwater drainage project, you know, in that area. Um But as Ansley mentioned, there are two things. There is the road uh related drainage improvement, where we add the number of um pipes. uh curving gata. We are not doing that. But then there's road related drainage maintenance, which we are doing. Uh in terms of the swales, we are gonna make sure that the swales are clean. So
are are you doing that project if the road gets paved or are you doing that as that as I'm sorry, is that part of the road repavement? Yes. So along with the fixing of the roads, you would be fixing the drainage and the swales and getting More having more storage on the sides.
Yes, it's a program we started three years ago that um when we fix roads. All roads, we look at the road related drainage and we do the maintenance as is needed, swells, replacement of pipes. Uh deteriorated pipes. Um but this particular project new drainage systems like Adding pipes, huge pipes, new drainage structures is not part of this project. Um Because we are we want to we are fixing a road, we are
not doing a stormwater drainage project. But then we're gonna do the road related drainage maintenance.
Okay, so so if I'm hearing you right, there is no stormwater project that's gonna change the hydrology of this area planned in the near future.
I'm not aware of any project that good question. is related to this particular road. Mr. Chairman Mariano.
Mike Carbala's coming to the
but I I want I want to interject here because I will tell you when we had the meetings, we had people that were packed in there. Mr. Crow was in the front with a bunch of other people in that one area saying, What are you gonna do to fix this area? I'm going to say, and Mike, maybe you'll can back me up on this, but that hidden value project holds water that otherwise flows. Through which could protect these people. When we look when we look at Magnolia Valley, that water moves down to the south. It goes down by uh Well it goes
goes down south. It goes down around the county building, down around through. It works its way out there. It's another way where it kind of holds water as well. So these two projects may not be right in tune to it, and Brantford may not know of both of these how they're interrelated, but I will tell you it's part of what we've been working on for many, many years. And I would say, because of the confusion I'm hearing right now about this, I don't know if anybody in the spot, but I think at the minimum, we should go have a public meeting on this item, not just board initiate this one here, bring it before the residents, and let's
go have a more meeting of about the stormwater in the area and about the paving assessment before we go spend nine hundred thousand dollars of higher earned money we'll never get back.
Mr Chairman Mariano.
The Hidden Lake Project, Stormwater Project Like any other stormwater project that we do, it's not related to the road, you know, it's related to taking homes out of the flooded area. So I cannot say that that project is gonna address flooding on that particular road. the main thing that we do in terms of benefit cost ratio is addressing the stormwater. Flooding. And homes. But not necessarily on roads. So I cannot tell you that that project
is gonna fix flooding on this particular road. Yeah.
I think we understand that that part of it.
Yeah.
Mr. Chairman
Mariano.
It just I mean look you know, we got something we look we do you know we do these board you know uh initiated assessments you know at times and but lots of times it's a fifty-fifty type of deal. But I think we're missing the page on this too because I see a number that says one thirty-nine and so I think we're missing maybe I don't think she handed one of the pages to us, but I think there was one missing. But so that means an overwhelming majority of the people. that would pay this, I mean a large majority are basically stating that They're good right now and they don't need to see the road. So again, you
know, it it's it's us staff did their job, they're and they did a great job and they brought something forward because they were asked to find to go ahead and do that, right? Um but it but at the same time it doesn't mean we have to approve it. By any means. And now we're moving a large majority of residents are saying They don't want it.
And here here's the problem. Here's the problem we've had is is the fact there's a lot of roads that need improving. And every time we go with a PVAS Uh and and Ansley and them do their work and they they do a great job at what they do. When we get out there and vote for these roads, most people don't wanna vote because most people don't wanna pay for their road. But yet they still complain about a road. And that's where we are on these roads. There's there's more than just this road
in the county that needs repair and needs fixed. But um The concerns are is all the flooding in this area. I think that Chance to hit a a spot here with the commissioners that We wanna be careful and spend that kinda money and it it'd go away in one flood that it might go away. So
Well the Chairman Mariano. Will these roads convert back to where they were before?
Okay.
If they don't get repaved?
Yes, and rapidly so.
Okay. I did notice on one of the streets the roads the concrete road actually looked like mud with cars stuck in the roads. So I know at the time they may have wanted them fixed and we did a temporary fix. But now it's time to actually permanently fix them, but again maybe continuing to another community and then coming back.
It's the board's decision.
Ainsley, if you were to um if this were to pass today, when would you be getting to this P VAS?
It would be uh towards the beginning of the next fiscal year.
At the end of twenty twenty one.
Around this time next next year.
Mr.
Chairman Mariano. Yes,
sir.
Uh if I could make a recommendation for the resident commissioner who's now just in the in the position, I think it's an opportunity for you to actually get with your residents, have a meeting with them, have the stormwater crew, let them get you fully up to speed of this whole thing, and then you can bring it back to us because it is board initiated, which means the resident commissioner needs to be a hundred percent sure it's the right thing to do for the people.
Is this an um Commissioner Fitzpatrick's or or yours? Because it's listed here, it's in yours.
It's in my my four.
It's in four or it says five.
Two four.
Yeah, but it's listed five here. Yeah,
it was Brown.
No, it's the agenda memo is five. That's S four.
Right. Mike?
The the previous one was fine, sorry.
Run one fifteen.
I have one more question, Ainsley. Some of the people gave their address as Ridge Road.
So there we're not paving Ridge Road, so so wh are th people on Ridge Road being assessed?
If you're at the corner of Ridge and Bass Lake, yes. But I've resu reduced fifty percent.
That'll explain. Hmm.
Look, can I explain sorry, but that was a good thing.
Well, roughly three years ago we were going going forward with uh initiated by the uh The board. on this road, so what's the pleasure of the board today?
Leave it up to the district commissioner.
I'll I'll make a motion to reject Cap's recommendation.
Okay.
Can I say say something? 'Cause when I was originally going through the meetings and who showed up the majority at that point was in favor. There was 138 homes impacted by the PVAS at the public hearing that we had two weeks ago. Only fourteen people showed up and only five to six spoke on the opposition. Yes, yeah, I'm in favor. I'm surprised because now I have a list of all these people objecting to it, but during the public hearing, fourteen people showed up and five people spoke.
I will I will be voting to go ahead and do the PVASP because I was here when those roads got chewed up. And I know what's coming. And when you can't drive on the roads and the garbage and you can't have any garbage pickup and the school buses can't use 'em. Um it's not it's not good. And so uh you're doing full depth reclamation, water standing on the road is not gonna affect the road. Well
and and using of the concrete mix that's that's gonna help better seal that base. Yes. So when it does flood next time it it will protect it to a greater degree than what we have there now. And that will move us down the road. In the meantime, we got another that big flood project that hopefully Sooner than later that that'll help it even further.
Right, and the neighborhood's getting some improvement in the swales? There should there's they should see some improvement there. Um I have a friend that lives in the right-of-way. In there on um Oh no, I'm not gonna remember the name of the road. But I it's a ri you can go on Google and see what what the shape the road the road is. Wicker. Wicker. Um And uh it's fallen apart. So is that a second to uh Mr. Mariano? No, I am not in favor of I am in favor of staff's recommendations. I'm not seconding in the motion.
With royal palm, you will be actually.
No, no, no. He's he was against it. We're
kinda
in discussion without a second. There was no second, so
So with the project it's also adding new paved roads to that community because I believe when I drove through it last two weeks ago, last week. When we drove through there. Royal Palm has is a dirt road. Completely. It's a solid white dirt road.
So there um Royal Palm, yes, and Bass Lake Drive, that's a collector, so that is not being assessed. So there there are rules in there that are classified as collectors that is not part of the assessment. That will have to come out of the program maintenance funding.
So we're paying for those roads.
Could I
be
able to the motion by Commissioner Mariano has died for no second? Right. So
Mr. Chairman, can I make one more suggestion? Just see if anybody's happy median here. Why don't we go ahead and send the postcards out and put this to a vote to the residents? Which has not been done. Sorry, could you ever be why don't we go ahead and send the cards out and put this to a vote A PVAS vote to the residents and see what comes back there. If it's closed, we move forward.
I think you got this list over here.
That's not the
thing that's gonna be voted down.
At the last PVAS vote, it was in favor. Do you have the that last PVAS vote? For Bass
Lake?
Yes, for who returned it and how many were in agreements and how many were not.
This this is the first time it's being board initiated. There was no a previous never been a vote by the resident.
Okay, so then that was just the public hearing. No.
This is a petition that was done by residents. Right. But my suggestion was why don't we just put that to the normal process, put it to a vote and see how what the w how how what it comes back at.
The issue is that there were other communities that are already forced to have their roads repaved after the temporary fix was done and I think that's the consideration Commissioner Starkey is getting at, 'cause there are other roads that We did a temporary fix, unless we turn around and discharge the neighborhood for the temporary fix that we did. Alrighty. Then they should pay for the original temporary fix.
I I'm in agreement. Um I d I think we made a board policy that we were gonna do temporary Um chip and seal with the understanding that we would do Come back with board initiated PVAS. You know um A lot most of the P Basses fail and they come back over.
unless they come back over and over again. Um But It costs us money to maintain those roads and we have to do the responsible thing. I think and and get our roads up to um up to the level they should be. When when would the first bill When would a resident see their first bill first bill?
Um we're expected to do the paving on next year, so it will be the following year because we go on the the tax collector.
Okay, so in twenty twenty-two is when they would see their first bill.
More than likely, yes.
End of twenty twenty two.
Chairman Mariano. Okay.
Chairman
Mariano
procedure. Um the board is referring referring to the petitions.
I need a uh receive and file for the uh list we've got.
Most of the receiving file.
I'm going to second that with discussion because Commissioner Moore had said that there were 139, but um there are fifty-one names on the ones. Oh sixty one, sorry for my bad math. Two three four
motion and a second.
So that's a second.
Yes. We cut um
Roll call vote?
Roll
call. Okay. District two, Commissioner Moore.
This is receiving the paper.
District three, Commissioner Starkey. Aye. District four, Commissioner Fitzpatrick. Aye. District five, Commissioner Mariano.
Let's receive a file, Commissioner Oakley.
Yeah. Okay. District one Chairman Oakley. Aye.
So that motion passed. Okay. I I I move to accept board's recommendation.
Staff recommendation?
Yeah, staff's recommendation. Well it really is the board's recommendation. Staff's recommendation.
Okay. I've got a motion. Did I hear a second?
Second.
And I've got a second. Um
Uh I've uh
roll call vote?
I have a question. There was a prior motion on the floor. Did that fail?
It died. It died for lack of second.
Okay, thank you.
I state that won't go.
All right. Roll call vote. District two, Commissioner Moore. District three, Commissioner Starkey. Aye. District four, Commissioner Fitzpatrick. Aye. District five, Commissioner Mariano.
Um he's muted. We cannot hear him.
Can you hit me now?
Yes.
Okay. Uh I'm sorry, I was trying to I guess I guess my buttons mixed up here, but I would like to have a little further discussion before we pull that vote.
We're we're in the vote.
Uh
I'm
gonna say nay.
Okay. District one, Chairman Oakley. Aye.
Motion passed four to one.