PDD-22-0088

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1. 1Dec 9, 2021
   Planning CommissionPC15Public hearingNo disposition in the minutes

   An Ordinance Amending the Pasco County Large-Scale Comprehensive Plan; Providing for a Plan Amendment (Consent) - CPAL 21(10) North Pasco RV Resort –Providing For A Large-Scale Comprehensive Plan Amendment to the To The Future Land Use Maps … And Sheet 07) Changing from From AG/R (Agricultural/Rural) to To PD (Planned Development) on On Approximately 131.68 Acres of Of Real Property Located East of Of Lake Iola Road and And South of Of Blanton Road; A Text … Resort; A Map Amendment to the To The Future Land Use Map 2-9 Adding Subarea Map 2- 9(63): 2-9(63) North Pasco RV Resort; Providing for Additional Text Amendments as Necessary for Internal Consistency; Providing for a Repealer, Severability, and an Effective Date. Resort.

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2. 2Jan 6, 2022
   Planning CommissionP10Public hearingNo disposition in the minutes

   An Ordinance Amending the Pasco County Large-Scale Comprehensive Plan; Providing Plan Amendment (Regular) - CPAL 21(10) North Pasco RV Resort –Providing for a Large-Scale Comprehensive … 2-9 Adding Subarea Map 2- 9(63): 2-9(63) North Pasco RV Resort; Providing for Additional Text Amendments as Necessary for Internal Consistency; Providing for a Repealer, Severability, and an Effective Date. Resort.

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3. 3Jan 11, 2022
   Board of County CommissionersP74Public hearingContinued

   An Ordinance Amending the Pasco County Large-Scale Comprehensive Plan; Providing Plan Amendment (Continuance) - CPAL 21(10) North Pasco RV Resort –Providing for a Large-Scale Comprehensive … Land Use Maps (2-15 And and Sheet 07) Changing from … South of Blanton Road; A a Text Amendment Creating Subarea … North Pasco RV Resort; A a Map Amendment to the … 2-9 Adding Subarea Map 2- 9(63): 2-9(63) North Pasco RV Resort; Providing for Additional Text Amendments as Necessary for Internal Consistency; Providing for a Repealer, Severability, and an Effective Date. Resort.

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   Continued to the February 8, 2022 Board of County Commissioners meeting at 1:30 p.m. in Dade City.

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   StarkeyChair

   6:22We have P seventy four. And this one has a continuance.

   Unidentified speakerVoice A

   6:28Would you like me to read the procedures before you start with the other?

   6:32There are two rezoning agendas, regular and consent. Staff will present each application to the Board of County Commissioners. If staff or planning commission has recommended approval and there's no opposition, the application will be considered by the board without further presentation. If staff or planning commission has recommended denial or if there is opposition to the application, the applicant will be given five minutes for presentation, the opposition will be given three minutes for each individual, or five minutes for a group representative, and the applicant

   7:03will be given three minutes for rebuttal. Any individual disagreeing with staff or planning commission recommendation or anyone wishing to object to any condition of the rezoning may at this time request the petition be pulled. from the consent agenda, in which case that application will be heard under the regular agenda later on during the meeting. Otherwise, all rezoning applications on the consent agenda will be approved by a single motion and vote. If you wish to speak to any petition, please give your name and address and whether

   7:33or not you've been sworn for the record. These are quasi judicial public hearing. The law in Florida is that mere public support or opposition of an application is insufficient for those board to take action. Please limit your comments to those criteria found within the board's land development code.

   StarkeyChair

   7:51Thank you. Okay, so today we have eight public hearing items on the consent agenda, starting with um P seventy. What? We'll have to go through the continuances first so I can put the publication. Yeah, so we'll start with the continuances, which are Do I call that or do you call M?

   StarkeyChair

   8:13P seventy four, P seventy five, and P seventy six. Item P seventy-four was published in the Tampe Times on November twenty-first, twenty twenty one. Item P75 was published in the Tampay Times on November 24th, 2021, and item P76 was published in the Tampay Times on November 24th, 2021. All right, and then we have P77.

   StarkeyChair

   8:37Seventy eight, seventy nine. Eighty. P eighty one.

   Unidentified speakerVoice A

   8:46Yes, we do.

   StarkeyChair

   8:47Oh, on the continuances first? Yeah. Okay.

   Denise

   8:51Shall I read them into record real quickly? Okay, sorry. Thank you. Sorry, P74 is PDD 220088. The request for continuance on that item, it's a large-scale comprehensive plan. C pay C PAL 2110. It's a request to continue to the February 20, February 8th, 2022 Board of County Commissioners meeting at 130 in Dade City.

   StarkeyChair

   9:12Okay.

   Denise

   9:12Good for container.

   StarkeyChair

   9:14Second. All in favor?

   Denise

   9:16Aye. Opposed?

   StarkeyChair

   9:18No one? Oh

4. 4Feb 8, 2022
   Board of County CommissionersP42Public hearingApproved

   An Ordinance Amending the Pasco County Comprehensive Plan; Providing for a Large-Scale Comprehensive Plan Amendment (Regular) - CPAL 21(10) North Pasco RV Resort –Large-Scale Comprehensive Plan Amendment to the Future Land … 2-9 Adding Subarea Map 2- 9(63): 2-9(63) North Pasco RV Resort; Providing for Additional Text Amendments as Necessary for Internal Consistency; Providing for a Repealer, Severability, and an Effective Date. Resort.

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   Approved Staff’s recommendation.

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   StarkeyChair

   50:06Madam Chairman, members of the board This matter was continued from the Board of County Commissioners on January eleventh.

   StarkeyChair

   50:21Oh just a moment please let me ask you a question. On that one that we did before you guys got the advertising right, it was all fine. Yeah. Clark's the other one. Okay, 'cause I turned off my mic but I I knew you were having some discussion because I think Clark had his proof. If we needed it. Yeah, that's what I'm kinda checking.

   Unidentified speakerVoice A

   50:42Yeah, the the resolution that that Mr. Sample had in the package was Indicated that it was for January eleventh. This board took action on January eleventh to continue it. So hearing today was pr appropriate for that.

   StarkeyChair

   50:56Okay.

   51:00Um and again on this particular matter this uh was published in the Tempe Bay Times on November twenty fourth uh for the meeting of January the eleventh.

   51:13for a hearing and con uh then continued to this day.

   Valerie Brookins

   51:19All right. Thank you. Valerie Brookens with the Planning and Development Department. Today is case number PDD 22088 is a large-scale comprehensive plan amendment under the name CPAL 2110 North Pasco RV Resort. This shows the location. It is in the North Market area as well as the Northeast Pasco rural area. It is along I-75, east of

   51:49Lake Iola and south of Blanton Road.

   51:55The proposals to amend the future land use map 2-15, sheet seven from AGAR agricultural rule to PD Plan Development contains approximately 132 acres and to allow for RV resort with a maximum of 550 RV spaces. As I stated, it's along I 75, east of Lake Iola Road, and south of Blanton. Resolution is to amend the future land use maps 215

   52:25sheet 7 and create a sub-area policy 7.1.63 North Pasco RV Resort and amend the future land use map 2-9, creating subarea 2-963, North Pasco RV Resort. There is also a master plan unit development rezoning proposal. be required to implement the standards in the sub-area policy.

   52:51This shows the existing future land use, which is the agricultural rule. The proposed to go to P D

   53:02And this shows the conceptual plan.

   53:07And the following policies uh were found to be consistent with the comprehensive plan, policy flu 1.6.1, commercial development. Policy flu 2.15, protection of existing topography. Policy flu 2.19, rural lighting standards. Policy flu 2.11, rural residential roads, policy flu 2.1.13, provision of potable water and sanitary sewer.

   53:39On January 6th, the local planning agency recommended approval to the Board of County Commissioners, and staff recommends the Board of County Commissioners find the proposed amendment consistent with the comprehensive plan and authorized transmittal to DEO and other review agencies.

   StarkeyChair

   53:57Okay, I think we have the applicant coming up now and The applicant has requested and been granted some extra time.

   Barbara Wilhite

   54:09Good afternoon. Barbara Wilheite, 23, excuse me, 6327, Grand Boulevard, New Port Richey, 34652.

   54:19While they're bringing up our first PowerPoint, I have a few things I'd like to have the board receive and file. We have some handouts with some exhibits at the dais. The clerk's been uh has a copy of that as well. We have our two PowerPoints. My PowerPoint and Francis Chanel Marino's PowerPoint that they have their electronic Um we have a compant analysis and a zoning analysis, hard copy, and Francis Chandler Moreno's um resume. If we could receive and file.

   Oakley

   54:46Second. Second.

   StarkeyChair

   54:49All in

   Barbara Wilhite

   54:50favor?

   StarkeyChair

   54:50Aye.

   Barbara Wilhite

   54:50Aye.

   54:56Um if number one?

   55:02No.

   55:06Thank you.

   55:10I have my um Project team here. Everybody's healthy and here. Can't say that all the time. Joe Simoneau from WRA. Steve Henry and Alia Teffy from Linkson Associates. Greg Mayfield from Southern Water. who is working with us on our wastewater treatment facility. The Francis Changel Marino. Brian Nolan from Lacito and Associates, our landscape architect. Proud to have them all here. They've been a wonderful team. And I'd like to tell you about North Pasco Arvey Resort. This

   55:41is the transmittal hearing of the comprehensive plan amendment. We will be back before you, assuming you um vote to move forward today. We'll be back before you on April 5th. for the Comp Plan adoption hearing as well as the MPUD zoning hearing.

   56:00Project history. We've been working on this for uh a couple years now. Looks like it's an anniversary of of our submittals on on the 19th of February. We first started out with 675 RV spaces. Which was kind of a guess. We were in the land use and zoning world of, you know, we didn't know all of our design details. Went to our first neighborhood meeting on September 10th, 2019, had about a hundred people there. It was at Lake Javita, a lot of interest. And a lot of questions were very specific and we wanted to be able to answer those

   56:30questions. And so we slowed down and hired this wonderful team to join to join the project. And Went through a lot of details, and through that we realized that our RV resort would have 550 spaces. And we had a second neighborhood open house on August 25th, 2021. less people. We and before that open house we did a community outreach website. Sent that notice to everybody within a thousand feet and

   57:01every person that attended that neighborhood meeting got the link to our community outreach website, which had a lot of information on it. We did that so that a lot of times With projects like this, it's kind of somebody tells somebody, tell somebody, it tells somebody, and the facts get lost. So we want to make sure the facts were out there.

   57:19This is located along I-75, south of the Blanton Road Interchange, the first interchange when you come south on I-75 into Pasco County. I-75 in that location has 48,500 vehicles per day in 2020 volumes. A lot of people coming into Pasco County. Our resort's gonna have a minimum of 10,000 square feet of resort lodge and clubhouse facilities, a maximum of 550 RV spaces. They can accommodate RVs, yurts, airstreams, or resort cottages. So if you don't have

   57:50your own um vehicle to drive in or excuse me, your own RV to drive in or pull in, you can um rent a resort cottage, yurt or airstream. I'm like a hotel room. And enjoy the resort that way as well. We have no density, no dwelling units, no permanent attachments to our RVs, yurts, airstreams, or resort cottages. And our project cannot be subdivided. This is not density. These are not lots. These are not dwelling units.

   58:16Looking at our project and how it compares to other projects in the county from a RV spaces per acre, the lowest RV spaces per acre at 4.66 RV spaces per acre. Quell'un to our south. is about double, a little less than double. Of that, I-75 frontage, Three Lakes RV, you can see the, you know, I don't need to read them to you, you can see the different um RV spaces per acre of different projects. Most recently, Ancorporate Resort was approved

   58:47and a little bit more RV spaces per acre, but you can see that as we design these better, the RV spaces per acre are coming down. And that's what Quail Run looks Querl Run looks like at almost double the RV spaces per acre. And that's how it's amenitized.

   59:04We have no full-time residence and our resort cottages cannot be homesteaded. Our maximum maximum occupancy in any 12-month period shall be less than six months. And the question came up with Planning Commission, well how do you know? Well the state, because on these types of projects, um the state has a tourist tax and they have taxes that they want to collect, and so they make sure that you have to do a guest register as the state requirement. And um to to prove that that people are only staying no more

   59:35than six months. Six months is a state law definition of transient. And so that's what we follow. Um that's what all the RV parks follow. And our guest register uh will include license license plate verification, which is how do you know that the wife didn't sign the register for six months and then the husband signed the register for six months? Well you verify the the license plates. I've always been asked whenever I go to R V park I have to show them my license plate on my R V.

   1:00:01And at the county's request, I think We're only supposed to the state statute has a less time than three years to maintain that log. The county's request we're gonna maintain that register for longer. We've opened it up to the Pasco County, the tax collector, or the school board if they want to check to make sure those state rules are being followed.

   1:00:20After our first neighborhood meeting, we hired a private wastewater treatment facility design some folks to do that. We do have a private wastewater treatment facility planned. It's going to serve only the resort. It cannot be expanded. And it's maintained by the resort owner. We prepared a topological survey. We hired a landscape architect, Brian Nolan, who is here. He did the wonderful materials that are, together with Don Ferez Studios, who did some of the renderings, did the wonderful plan that you have in front of you, all

   1:00:50exceeding the code, because the code doesn't require a plan like that. We are a couple of highlights of our conceptual site plan and and Brian is here, you know, if you want to talk to him more. We looked at, I asked my team, you know, there's a lot of green space on here. What is the green space? And they said about 50% is green space, open space. And that's not including the RV space, green space, and landscaped areas. And then I asked him, Tell me about these paths and nature would walk, 'cause they're s extensive. And uh they're about two miles, which

   1:01:20is about the distance I like to run, so that's perfect for me. This is our concept plan. Very thoughtfully laid out. Our amenity is centralized. Most resorts probably would have put it down by the lake. We made our area down by the lake passive. Um no monarized vehicles.

   1:01:41A rendering of a resort lodge.

   1:01:45Rendering of R R V spaces.

   1:01:50We designed our Lake Oyola quarter buffer, which you do have in your handouts as well. To well exceed the standards for Northeast Pasco, you do have a quarter buffer requirement for your scenic roads. in your land development code. It applies to residential development. We took that and we exceeded as you can see our Firm at the base is 48 feet wide. The LDC buffer. Is four twenty five, it's at grade twenty five feet. We have 13 qualifying trees per hundred linear

   1:02:20feet, the land development code. is four, our trees are four inches, the development code's three. And the trees are Our trees are twelve feet high and the gland development code's eight. We also designed an internal master landscape tree plan, which there's no real LDC requirement for. If we would just follow your code, we would have put buffers around like Other parks, you put buffers around and put some plants around our clubhouses. We designed RV spaces, landscape tree plan. Again, no requirement for those.

   1:02:50We'll specifically go over those. If you want to hear about today, that's fine. But we can specifically go over those in more detail at our next hearing, which actually is the hearing on the MPUD. where these details are more relevant. But I wanted you to get to an idea of what we've done and what the quality of the project is. This is the quarter buffer cross section. 100 foot setback from the right-of-way of Lake Oriol today to the first RV spaces. This is a a the rendered master landscape plan. The

   1:03:21plant plan. These are the RV space details of how we're going to landscape our RV spaces.

   1:03:31We did um after listening to the neighborhood, we prohibited the launching of motorized vehicles on Moody Lake. We limited the recreational uses adjacent to the lake to passive. We prepared an updated transportation analysis. We committed to northbound and southbound turn lanes on Lake Iola Road, although not warranted, so our RVs will get out of the lane of travel. We met with county staff about the Blanton Road Lake Oil intersection, which Mr. Uh Commissioner Oakley also attended those meetings. We added things to our sub-area policies, which

   1:04:01is relevant to the discussion today, because you're considering uh transmittal of the comp plan. We were The recreational uses we've talked about, requirement for cutoff luminaries, landscape and tree preservation buffers. Like a little quarter buffer. Prohibitions of chain link fences. preservation of existing native land vegetation, 100 foot setback I mentioned, no mining and regulations on grading. Didn't all didn't create these all myself. These are regulations from your land development code that you adopted for residential development. And

   1:04:32we be you have not done your your commercial code for Northeast Pasco, your non-residential code. So we've put all those provisions into the comp plan to make them regulatory. And then we had uh Francis Chan the Marino. Take a look at our applications and our documents and make an independent determination of whether we were consistent with the comp plan and whether we met the requirements to zone the property as requested. Something that we've got. Did not present to Planning

   1:05:02Commission because we could see the comments. We do get copies of the comments that are sent to the county. And there were quite a few comments about the use of bicycles in this area.

   1:05:14And so we So we took a look at that. And our project is Well, right. Here. So you can see there's a common Bike path people use. Bike route, excuse me, comes up Lake Iola Road, underneath the interstate, along our frontage, up to um the road here. Ranch uh Bay Ranch Road. Wait a minute, I know the name. Just doing a blank

   1:05:46Bayhead Road, excuse me. It's right there in front of me. And so we looked at that, and we do share the road with bicycles when we our RVs exit and go north on Lake Iola. Our entrance is at Johnston, and Bayhead is one intersection up. So we would be sharing the road as we go north, our RVs or our traffic. So in considering that we're not going to be able to We looked at your Northeast Pasco Multimodal Safety

   1:06:16Action Plan 2018 that AECOM did. And we looked at what their recommendations were for shoulders. And they recommend shoulders as a as a t technique. to be able to have traffic and bikes basically share the road and kind of expand the road so there's room for both. The standard is four feet wide, and that's the recommended shoulder width in that study. When you're going uphill, side to side uphill

   1:06:46side of steep grades, when you know when you do this to your bike to try to get up. They recommend six. So we don't have any steep grades like that along this stretch of of Lake Gaiola Road, but we are proposing a six foot wide instead of the the minimum four that the study recommended on the east side. of Lake Oyola from and we could just start at Johnston and just go to Bayhead. because that's where we share the road. But we wanted to have We've spent a lot of detail on this project and we want to have a consistent

   1:07:17front of our project. So we're starting that um shoulder. further south as you come up Lake Iola, under the interstate, then on the on be on your right hand side as you're biking, the shoulder will start then and go up to Bayhead. Bayhead is off site, so there'll be a section of that will go up. on the east side of Lake Iola, past Johnston, which is our entrance up to Bayhead. Which is off site and then The

   1:07:48bicycles turn left on Bayhead. We also are going to make sure we incorporate, and obviously your traffic operations staff will help us with with this. Well we need a right-of-way use permit, but we're going to I did note we did notice in the study that an edge stripe with audible pavement markers or rumble stripping is another thing that you add when you do these types of shoulders. This is a graphic that shows what I I tried to uh verbally depict to you.

   1:08:17And that's the end of my presentation. I have Francis Channel Marino wants to go through the comp plane consistency with you. And uh our team is here to uh talk further.

   StarkeyChair

   1:08:26I knew she'd be wearing some some kind of shoe. I had to look.

   1:08:32She has the best shoe collection ever.

   Frances Chandler Marino

   1:08:34Um good afternoon, Commissioners. My name is Francis Chandler Marino, M-A-R-I-N-O 1239, Fruit Cove Road North, Saint John's, Florida, and I have been sworn.

   1:08:49Uh again, thank you. Um as Barbara uh mentioned. Um she had contacted me and asked me to review the application that you have before you. uh to um assess whether or not it was consistent with the comprehensive plan. To do that, I prepared a report that includes the entirety of my assessment. And so as this presentation, I want to summarize what that includes. The standard

   1:09:19of review that I used for consistency is established by Florida statute. So that's the standard that I used. It's supplemented by the Pasco County Comprehensive Plan. Your plan also provides provisions for how it should be reviewed and what constitutes consistency. So those are the two things that I use to make that determination. The comprehensive plan establishes a protocol for how you review and present that information. And it's done in four parts. So

   1:09:50that's how my report is set up, and that's also how this presentation is set up. The four parts that you're required to look at is the general comprehensive plan review itself. In this particular case, it contains two parts. A general compatibility review. and then a review specifically with the policies of the Northeast Pasco rural area. The second part of the review is relative to natural resources and natural features.

   1:10:21The third is general public facilities and services. And the fourth is transportation.

   1:10:32Yeah, I have no idea how this works. Oh, there we go.

   1:10:37Uh the first item is compatibility under the comprehensive plan review. Um The first thing that I looked at was the location and the adjacencies for the subject site. Um it is uh located Um in an area where the predominant existing use is agriculture, vacant, some large lot residential, and the predominance is Interstate 75. As I looked at the compatibility for this

   1:11:07site, it is the location of the interstate and the proximity from that site to the interchange with Blanton Road that most informed my determination of compatibility. The interstate is a multi-lane interstate facility. As Barbara pointed out, it carries 48,500 cars a day today. That's a very intensive existing use on its two adjacencies, the adjacency to the east and the south. So that

   1:11:37informed the general use of an RVE park next to the interstate. More specifically as related to the intensity of that use.

   1:11:52What informed my decision about consistency was that it was being requested under a plan development. Uh that's important and relevant because the comprehensive plan. uh establishes planned developments in a specific way. It requires them to have MPUD zoning. And it requires that MPUD zoning to be pursuant to a specific master development plan. In that way, any other adjacencies can be regulated specifically. In this case, the application addressed

   1:12:22the compatibility for all of the adjacent adjacencies that it has in two ways, also important. So not simply is it included in the MPUD zoning commitments as is required for a PUD, but it also included a sub-area policy text amendment. That's important because the very specific compatibility and design um provisions that were established in the MPUD

   1:12:52zoning is actually being embedded into the comprehensive plan. For me, that was significant because it requires any revision to those to require a plan amendment. So it's a more secure way to ensure that that compatibility is maintained over time. Specifically, the compatibility commitments that were included to address those adjacencies included undisturbed or undeveloped uh and landscape buffers along the western and northwestern boundary and

   1:13:23along I-75. Uh it increased size and opacity of screening through the berms along Lake Iola Road. It increased the setbacks that were required then uh in addition to those that were required along Lake Iola Road. There is no residential density permitted on this site. It is defined under the comprehensive plan that defines commercial uses as a commercial use. RV parks are a commercial use under the Pasco County Comprehensive

   1:13:53Plan. And the compatibility commitments and standards are um are gonna be adopted as part of the comp plan itself.

   1:14:03The second part of the comprehensive plan review that I did was to look at the North Pasco rural area policies. The North although I reviewed all of the policies in that goal that represents the Northeast Pasco rural area. There are four types of policies that have some potential to impact development review. Those include those

   1:14:34that ensure that the timing and location for any increase in residential density is limited. So there's a lot of policies in the rural area plan that speak directly to increased residential density. The second is design direction. Although your comprehensive plan does not include any development regulations, it does provide direction to the land development code in the form of requiring the code to include those. And it can sometimes specify what those are.

   1:15:04So there is some design direction in those policies. There are policies that restrict infrastructure in northeast Pasco in order to limit the number of lanes and create certain limitations for extending central water and central sewer. And then fourth, there were policies that limit changes in grade to protect the rolling topography of that area.

   1:15:34Out of all of the policies that I reviewed relative to the rural area, there are only four that were tangentially applicable to this site. I say tangential because they relate most directly to residential, but they do provide design direction. And the applicant had included a response to those as a more restrictive way to address them. that and so I reviewed that in that case.

   1:16:04Those four, it starts with policy FLU 2.1.5, which is the protection of existing topography. That policy is implemented through the Land Development Code, specifically section 604.5. that the code has two specific ways that it directs the protection of topography. One is it limits the grading on a piece of property so that you cannot change it by

   1:16:35more than a certain percentage, and it restricts mining. This application addressed both of those provisions inasmuch as it restricted a grading within a slope of 10%. as required by the land development code and it provided a commitment that there would be no mining on this site. So it addressed both of the things that the code had included. The second policy was policy FLU 2.1.9 relative to rural lighting

   1:17:05standards. That policy is implemented through the Land Development Code Section 604.5F. Uh that provision provides specific Um standards for uh lighting. And the application that I reviewed met that standard by also requiring the cutoff luminaries as required by the land development code.

   1:17:34The third policy was policy 2.1.11, rural residential roads. That policy is actually implemented through the Land Development Code, section 604.4C1. There are several provisions to this in terms of how you protect rural residential roads that relates to cord or tree preservation of a certain size and larger. uh requiring that a

   1:18:04buffer be preserved. Um it also uh s has certain standards uh in there for how that buffer is to be established. The application included commitments for each and every one of those meeting or exceeding that standard provided in the code in terms of tree preservation, introducing a landscape berm of a six-foot height with the four to one side slopes, and

   1:18:34the average, the approximate 48 feet width. At the base and then the landscaping along those berms.

   1:18:45That section also provides provisions relative to building setbacks from the adjacent Scenic Road corridor. and uh the application met that setback.

   1:19:00In addition, it speaks to fences and walls along the rural residential roads. It prohibits certain types of fences and requires others. In the application, they also prohibited the chain link fences, the opaque walls, all the things that were required in the code. They also included in their commitment. Let's

   1:19:27Policy FLU 2.1.13, provision of potable water and sanitary sewer. It is not implemented through a code. It's merely a policy that does not allow the extension of central services into the rural area. As such, this application did not propose to extend central services into the area, but rather would provide an on-site package plant system. And well.

   Unidentified speakerVoice B

   1:19:57Why was Tommy that sure?

   Frances Chandler Marino

   1:19:59Uh the second area that was to be reviewed was natural resources. The plan calls out the specific natural resources that are to be evaluated, wellhead, surface and groundwater, wetlands, critical linkages, habitats, and historic and archaeological sites. The application did not identify any feature, uh, cultural feature that would be impacted by the development. and it included commitments to address uh the protection of other environmental features in this

   1:20:29manner. As it related to gopher tortoise, 100% of the gopher tortoise survey conducted according to the particular Fish and Wildlife Conservation Commission guidelines. There was restriction to construction activities within the wetland up and buffer as depicted on the construction plans. The copy of the Water Management District Environmental Resource Permit will be sent to the Planning and

   1:20:59Development Department when it's completed. And if during construction any evidence of any uh state or federal protected plant or animal species is discovered, all work in that area shall come to an immediate stop until the permits have been obtained.

   1:21:17The third area was related to general public facilities that included water and sewer and stormwater. As said, the water will be provided by private well and the wastewater will be provided by the package plant. The applicant has proposed specific conditions to comply with the stormwater requirements of Pasco County.

   1:21:41And finally transportation. Uh A transportation analysis was conducted. Barbara went through that specifically with you. There's uh it will operate within the adopted level of service with the background traffic and the addition of the project traffic. And uh they have proposed a 315-foot northbound right turn lane and 415-foot southbound turn lane, left turn lane on Lake Iola Road, uh, even though that was not required by

   1:22:11the warrants uh simply because of the um the size of the RVs that would be pulling in there, they wanted to make sure that there was clearance.

   1:22:22That concludes my presentation. I'm happy to answer any questions that you have now or later.

   StarkeyChair

   1:22:28Board members, any questions? Good. No, good. Good report. Thank you.

   StarkeyChair

   1:22:33Um, Ms. Wellhide, I believe the folks that are on this list are probably other members of your team. Uh Steve, uh Henry. Um

   1:22:47Son Ray M in

   Barbara Wilhite

   1:22:49So Commissioner, that um concludes our presentation. We have our members here for rebuttal depending on what the questions might be. But uh if you want to open up for public hearing, that'll be fine.

   StarkeyChair

   1:23:01Well, I just wanted to make sure these that were signed up on this list were part of your team and not others wanting to speak, correct?

   Barbara Wilhite

   1:23:07Uh yes. Yeah. So I heard Steve Henry.

   StarkeyChair

   1:23:10Brian Nolan. Yes. And Joe Shimo. Joe Simeno.

   Barbara Wilhite

   1:23:15Simino, yes. They're here.

   StarkeyChair

   1:23:17All right.

   StarkeyChair

   1:23:19Okay, at this time uh we will go to public comment and we have a list.

   StarkeyChair

   1:23:23Yes, we do. Uh John Russell.

   Unidentified speakerVoice C

   1:23:29Good afternoon. John Russell, [address removed]. Um I am duly sworn.

   StarkeyChair

   1:23:39Thank you, Mr.

   Unidentified speakerVoice C

   1:23:43Uh I am uh I've been a resident of Pasco County. Uh for More than twenty years. Um I'm a healthcare professional. I provide care to people who reside in uh various RV parks as part of my clientele. And I can tell you without uh question, um I am well acquainted with that the area in question, And

   1:24:15An R V park Well which I'm very familiar. Zephyrhills has loads of 'em. Uh This is no place to put in an R V park. For multiple multiple reasons. Uh I'll give a a first one for uh consideration. Oh, about a month, month and a maybe five weeks ago, within a mile of the proposed project, I personally saw a

   1:24:45Florida Panther. Okay. And I'm willing to swear on that. Couldn't take a picture because it ran across the street in front of me. Uh, but it without question was a Florida Panther. Um Points to consider. How does this project benefit current residents and wildlife? Does it restrict the free movement of wildlife? I think there's no question about that. um that it it does not benefit the

   1:25:15people who live there. When you start uh you know pouring concrete, uh putting in pads, uh to mount uh some 40-foot-long RVs. Um it's an eyesore. And when we talk about lighting. Well, lighting, they're gonna have a fifteen thousand square foot bandshell or something as part of this pr uh project. Uh I think I get more than um more than a m more than one minute,

   1:25:46correct? Right? Uh you have a minute left. What's that? I have a minute left, okay. Um the references for R V resorts, none of which were in Pasco County. Uh, the property tax revenue from this project versus maintaining one and five-acre uh lots. Um uh is insubstantial compared to if we just left it at the same zoning. Um This is really a degradation or

   1:26:16uh desecration of a very scenic area. Um I would like to I'd like to know how we define topography. And uh it's quite frankly, these uh these presentations that were provided by the people. uh uh representing the developer. They were laughable at best. John Russell have my MBA. I am a well-educated person who cares about the quality of Pasco County.

   1:26:46And this is not a quality development. But thank you very much. Okay, next. I forgot to mention Uh insiders working on behalf of the insiders and developers. I've watched it for 20 years.

   StarkeyChair

   1:27:00Thank you very much.

   StarkeyChair

   1:27:02Sasha Sasha, Julia.

   StarkeyChair

   1:27:04If you g if you guys do that, we have three. Bayliff's here and we're gonna escort you out because that's that's not Coaster. Yeah.

   Joe

   1:27:14Mm.

   StarkeyChair

   1:27:15Uh

   Julia Bartunik

   1:27:16name and address for

   StarkeyChair

   1:27:17the record,

   Julia Bartunik

   1:27:17please. I'm Julia Sasha Bartunik. I live at [address removed]. That's all one word, [address removed], and I'm affiliate with the Sierra Club Pasco Conservation Committee. I'd like to say that green spaces are Pasco County's most valuable resources. I'm speaking against this development in this northeast

   1:27:47rural area that needs to remain protected. And my opposition to this takes precedence over all the other following comments that I will make.

   StarkeyChair

   1:27:59And uh I apologize for interrupting. Do you acknowledge that you were sworn?

   Julia Bartunik

   1:28:03I am sworn. Thank you, sir. Mr.

   StarkeyChair

   1:28:06Clark,

   Julia Bartunik

   1:28:07there's a level here. Um I'd like to reinforce that having a traffic corridor anywhere does not necessitate high density levels behind it. You ca around it. You can have a scenic corridor around high Traffic corridors. In fact, the county has done that already, for example, at the Starkey Ranch. How wonderful if we could preserve upon entry to Pasco County this wonderful view of God-given

   1:28:37green rolling hills. The visitors and new residents to Pasco could feel uplifted upon entry. These green spaces help mental health. They help productivity in both school, students, and workplaces. They help mental health, they help productivity, and they also reduce mental illness, and they also prevent suicide. I'd also like to say that there were several notes

   1:29:07that were not mentioned that are in our comprehensive plan. The comprehensive plan does encourage more use of native species and all developments. Also, um in our comprehensive plan, it talks about renewable saving our resources so that we should also have in any developments, and hopefully this development will not go in that area. Um, I'm not against the specific development, but definitely in that area. But

   1:29:37hopefully all our developments can have um solar, EV, charging. Stations, walkable communities. And also, I really love this idea that I heard at um another commission meeting of having bikeable communities inter walking throughout Pasco County. Pasco County could become noted because people come here because we have green spaces left, not just to make money, they come here for peace of mind. And we also need

   1:30:07dark sky lighting in developments such as this. And I would love to see Pasco County becoming like the 12th most bikeable county in the United States. That was something to be really proud of. And we've already made strides with that in some of the trails that we've developed. Thank you for letting me share. Thank you for the time.

   StarkeyChair

   1:30:29Thank you. Next we have

   StarkeyChair

   1:30:33Lisa Moretti?

   StarkeyChair

   1:30:35Did we skip this question?

   StarkeyChair

   1:30:37Uh that was for a different item.

   StarkeyChair

   1:30:39Oh, okay. And uh Lisa has requested extra time and has five minutes.

   Lisa Moretti

   1:30:43Thank you.

   StarkeyChair

   1:30:44Um

   Lisa Moretti

   1:30:45I have a written statement that I'd like to submit into the record, Madam Chairman. I have a copy for each commissioner.

   StarkeyChair

   1:30:50All in favor? Aye. Aye.

   MarianoVice Chair

   1:30:59Is she representing a group? Oh wait, Madam Chair?

   StarkeyChair

   1:31:03Yeah.

   MarianoVice Chair

   1:31:03I met with the residents, I also met with the developer with the applicant.

   StarkeyChair

   1:31:06Uh same.

   Lisa Moretti

   1:31:09Also I had an ex parte form for Commissioner Fitzgerald. Fitzpatrick, I'm sorry.

   Joe

   1:31:16Mm-hmm.

   StarkeyChair

   1:31:30Go ahead. You don't have to wait for this.

   Lisa Moretti

   1:31:33Okay. My name is Lisa Moretti. I reside at [address removed]. Uh [address removed]. And uh I am sworn. So uh I'm gonna speak very fast because I obviously I gave you quite a packet. I'm going to just try to summarize things for you in three m in the five minutes that I have. I further want to make sure that my set my comments are in the public record in the event that we need to pursue legal action against the county. So the county has invested a

   1:32:03significant amount of taxpayer monies on studies from Glading Jackson, the Urban Land Institute, and the time and services of our own planning department. Those plans have helped guide the country and create county in creating a fiscal plan. as well as its land use plans. On january sixth of twenty twenty two, Ms. Marina was paid by Ms Wilhite on behalf of the developer to testify to the Planning Commission that the RB Park fits in the natural rur in the rural sorry, the rural plan perfectly and that you should disregard the urban density prohibitions in the rural area protections

   1:32:33because I-75 travels next to the property where the proposed development is to be. She testified that because of the traffic volumes on the road abutting the property, you should allow high density development. That's not residential and not commercial. to move forward, especially this is especially distressing considering that Ms. Marino was the one that helped craft the Northeast Rural Plan, and that was not mentioned in 2006. So that didn't sound quite right to me. So I approached various national agencies to find out what were

   1:33:04best practices in planning. I found out that a traffic corridor does not have to dictate a high density surrounding area and that a scenic corridor can be an alternative. In fact, the county has done precisely this. Then I looked into transit-oriented development, T O D, and concentrating density at interchanges, which other people have spoken about today. The RB park does not qualify for this type of need because it is considerably distant from the interchange. It's 1.3 miles. And you have no interconnected roadway system, you have no uh services,

   1:33:34multi multiple services that you'll be supplying out of the uh interchange area to the RV park. So um this is just a move to put density next to the interstate just because of density. So Um With regard to the Urban Land Institute's recommendations, we also heard a little bit about this earlier. You have urban service areas, urban transition service areas in order to support urban spa. This is important because in 2013 you used those recommendations to craft the fiscal and land use plans of the county.

   1:34:05At that time, the Urban Land Institute said you were already oversaturated for absorption based on what your development prognosis was at that point and that you would encounter a $14 billion shortfall. So asking for just in providing the mandated services of that infrastructure. So We already know that growth doesn't pay for itself, and I can cite you volumes of studies about that, but you don't need it. The Northeast Rural Area serves a purpose beyond community protection. It is your fail-safe. by not having

   1:34:35to provide services and infrastructure into the rural area, you are balancing your budget. And so I would argue that you're legally obligated not to change the urban transition service area and not to move urban into the northwest rural area. Or I'm sorry, the northeast rural area. Um, let's see. Some of the best planning experts in the country created a plan for you, gave you dire warnings about exactly what Ms. Murino, the developer, and Ms. Will Hyde are advocating for you to do. If you

   1:35:05are not going to follow those recommendations, why do we have a comprehensive plan? Why spend our money on studies, reports, and documents? Why put us at further fiscal risk and put the county itself at legal and fiscal exposure when if you were to just follow the long-range plan and preserve the rural area, you're doing exactly the job of protecting the county. Ms. Wilhite has a responsibility to the developer that pays her. Marino has a responsibility to whoever's paying her fees at this point. V Care consultants and Sanjay Min have no ties to this community,

   1:35:36unlike our local developers. He'll be out of the picture soon enough when he flips this property, just like he did in Sarasota. And he moves on to the next one of the Oakley properties he's purchased. He has no responsibility to the properties in this area and he is not a steward of the land. None of these people have a right to have an increase in zoning or density or a massive comprehensive plan change. It is a request that you can say no to if you have the integrity to do so. In 2019, I asked Mr. Remin to sit down with the community and create a project that was more aligned with the vision

   1:36:06of the community. He offered to do my landscaping in return for my support. I chose not to betray my neighbors for a few shrubs. This project could be developed with a rural appeal, a barn, turning half of the spaces into horse trailer pads, putting in a pasture instead of a water feature. You could lower the density to an acceptable level, maintain the rural character, create a portal to Pasco County that was inviting and rural rather than a hillside covered with RVs and concrete. But Mr. Amin couldn't be bothered to

   1:36:36seek out our input. He's only going to do what he wants to do to us, and he says, sorry, it's going to be so painful for you.

   StarkeyChair

   1:36:45Uh Um is that three minutes or five the five minutes? That was my five. That's what? Oh that's fine. Okay. Thank you very much. Thank you. Okay, uh who do we have? No, you cannot. Hey, you ladies know that. Okay. You cannot do that here. Thank you.

   StarkeyChair

   1:37:03Richard Riley.

   Richard Riley

   1:37:15I'd like to submit to the record on Blanc. Oh so I didn't Richard.

   StarkeyChair

   1:37:21Mr. Riley is.

   Richard Riley

   1:37:22I

   1:37:22have

   1:37:22been sworn. No, you don't have to be sworn into this. I am Richard Riley, R-I-L-E-Y, [address removed]. We got a motion and a second. We have a motion and a second.

   StarkeyChair

   1:37:36We have a motion and a second. All in favor? Aye.

   1:37:42And don't wait for her to pass those out. You go go ahead. You can go ahead and start. I don't want you to use up your time.

   Richard Riley

   1:37:49Greetings. Thank you for this opportunity to tell you how to do your job in reference to the proposed RV park in Northeast Royal. Protect protected northeast. Pasco County. I live in [address removed]. I'm a member of the Northeast Pasco on Uh concerns citizens and I want to protect our part of the county. Commissioner Moore, you've been here since 19 uh since 2014, and I'm sorry to hear that you feel you have to move on to another life. I've appreciated your open, humorous, sharing

   1:38:19personality and giving nature. I am pleased that some of your legacy was that you slowed the growth and the mass construction of townhouses and apartments in your district that makes Pasco a bedroom community of Tampa Bay. Commissioner Fitzpatrick, you're new and have a good future. And if we're able to work with you in controlling growth like you appear to be doing. Madam Chair Starkey, since nineteen since twenty twenty-one, I thank you for your active support of trails, bikes, and pedestrian needs and opportunities for the entire county.

   1:38:49Your support environmental concerns are make you a green woman. Commissioner Mariano, you've been here forever.

   1:39:01Specifically, you've been a supporter since uh 2004 and an advisor to our membership many times. Whenever we get lost in the bureaucracy, you have helped. Commissioner Oakley, since twenty ten, you're a District One Commissioner. Our rural protected area is completely in your area, and you are vocal in your support of the well-being of your district. Hudd. Acting Clerk, Mr. Samples, thank you for your organization's countywide support. To us you document, record, publicize,

   1:39:31and advertise the activities of this body. And you'll hold a wonderful uh group wedding on the court house steps next Monday. Attorney Steinsteiner, you protect the commission and the uh county from lawsuits by making sure that the la actions here are legal. And County Manager Miles, your duties are extensive in keeping this county running and together. Wow, I'm going right up. And it runs into the details that are massive and occlusive. You had the duty to implement everything that these board members

   1:40:01do. Thank you for the first two minutes of my Rural Protection Agency. I'm not gonna talk about Details, I want to appeal to your integrity, your dignity, your uh s sense of fair play. You don't have to approve every growth in here just because you they want it. You have to acknowledge zoning, of course. But this is a change. This is a major change. This is changing it from on. Uh something

   1:40:32like uh thirteen people to five hundred and fifty people in one uh swoop. And

   1:40:42No I'm running out of time and so on. That that is that is a summary. Still have a minute? I'm sorry? You still have a minute? No, that but this thing here says zero. Oh it says zero. Well there you are. Zero.

   StarkeyChair

   1:40:55Thank

   Richard Riley

   1:40:55you very much. Thank you. All right,

   StarkeyChair

   1:40:57where are

   StarkeyChair

   1:40:57we? Joanne Hopper.

   1:41:01Joanne Hopper.

   1:41:08Uh uh is there any other

   StarkeyChair

   1:41:14All right, come on up.

   StarkeyChair

   1:41:15Would it be John?

   StarkeyChair

   1:41:19Well let's see who signed up first. So

   StarkeyChair

   1:41:23Yeah.

   StarkeyChair

   1:41:23That's okay. We'll let every everyone who wants to speak and speak, but we're just going by our list.

   1:41:32Are we so is it one second?

   Unidentified speakerVoice D

   1:41:36My is Dot Wood and who I remember the most is Jack.

   StarkeyChair

   1:41:39Wait, wait, wait. Uh address for the record, please.

   Unidentified speakerVoice D

   1:41:42[address removed]. Yeah. Well when we did the comprehensive plan.

   1:41:51The RB park was there, and we grandfathered it in. And when we did that, we said, no more, just what was there. Because we did not want Lake Iola polluted. Like a lot of other lakes in Pasco County from the sewer systems. And you will all remember that. Am I wrong? And that's all I got to say.

   Carol Cruz

   1:42:18Good afternoon. Carol Cruz, [address removed]. Okay, I listened to the ladies and gentlemen talk about the what they want to add to it. And from what I'm gathering, it's 131 acres. And 50% of it is open space. So 50% from 132 acres would be 66 acres. Now you have to put your buffers in your roads. I'm giving them 16 acres to do that. So that means you have 50 acres left. Left on

   1:42:48this RV park where you're gonna put 550 RV park. That is, according to the state, when you study it, you have a minimum of five per acre on a normal average RV park, or you have up to maximum nine. So if I studied this and looked at this right, that means they're asking for nine RBs. That's just the maximum of what most RB parks are. And this is the rural area.

   1:43:20So come on guys. There's no way that you any of you here can say, oh, that's fine. The people that live in the rural area want to live in the rural area. The people that want to live in the city, they can live in the city. We don't choose to live in the city. We choose to live in the rural area. So give us, we the people, what we want. Thank you.

   StarkeyChair

   1:43:43Okay, uh is there anyone else here that would wish to speak to this? You can come up now. Name and address. And you don't have to be sworn.

   Unidentified speakerVoice B

   1:43:52Hi, my name is uh JP Lyons, Jimmy Lyons. I live on [address removed], and I'm right in the middle of this district of the Northeast Rural Protection Community. And I moved here in '96. I moved up from Tampa. And I love this area because it was so much like Mobile. The roll- that's my hometown, the Rolling Hills, the beautiful oaks. They're being assaulted. And this place is trying it feels like it's being turned into New Port Richey or Brandy. And we have the most beautiful land. here ever and that area is right in the middle of it. And uh The orange grove, I think the greening has affected the orange

   1:44:23grove, the grove owners. They want to get their developments because they can't grow oranges. They don't want to redo it. So there's been a major change in a lot of the development. And across the street from me, a gentleman just purchased a $1.5 million home. $1.5 million, okay? And you I'm sorry, Commissioner. I just was trying to remember. $1.5 million home. And he doesn't have any clue about this. And people, you know, people love this area. And I just don't want to do anything accusatory. I appreciate you having me here to be able to talk to you respectfully

   1:44:53about these problems. But we got no input in these meetings. We were told what was gonna happen when we went to travel, when we went to uh Lake Jovita. We were told, and that was no input that worked through committees, but we were basically told in a sense, this is what's gonna happen. And we had r I had no input, but what we wanna know, I've got I don't wanna be accusatory, because that's not right. That's not respectful to this group, but we really wanna know. Is because I know all about the free landscaping through this developer in the neighborhood to get people to go ahead with it. But how did this happen? How

   1:45:24did we get this gentleman that came in and I've met him? He's a nice man, trying to do the development. How did he get here? Was he recruited by a county employee? Was he pushed by a county employee to put that development there? Why is he here? Because I've never heard of him. And like most of these people, they're like bagger, not this person you know individually, but they're like Civil War carpet baggers. They come down here, they put their scat everywhere, and they split. And what they're doing is they're turning this community into nothing more than people that aren't from here. And any town that's

   1:45:54vital has to have a nucleus of local people to care. If you just have a community of people from everywhere, it destroys the fabric. You need that mix. Okay, so I look at that and we want to know that the answer to that question, and we want to know uh With V Care, we know all about the the development, but the one other thing I want to find out is, and we've heard this, is that there's a section of land across the road. If they get this zoning change, is this being used as a pretext to change the zoning on that 240

   1:46:25acres and envelop that area with intense development? And we've also heard, and we want to know this, we've even heard the developers on the V Care, not V Care. But yeah, not V Care, but Hilltop Views that purchase that land. They specialize in Section 8 housing. Now I'm all for Section 8. It's great. But do we want Section 8 housing in areas where we don't have transportation? Is that what we want in this community? We're going to become just a rolling hill of nothing but development. And then what happens is people either move out of the county or they move to the edge of the edge of the county where there's no

   1:46:55there's no traffic. So we need answers to this. We need to know the chronology of how this happened. We've been kept in the dark completely about this thing. And no offense to him. And thank you very much.

   StarkeyChair

   1:47:06Okay, um is there s anyone else who uh wishes to speak? Okay, uh yeah. Um is there anyone else behind this speaker? Why don't you go ahead and line up and be um be ready? And do we have anyone that's on online to speak to this? Okay. So if you're not in line, then you can't speak because we're gonna cut it off with the last person that gets in line.

   1:47:30Uh I can't remember the name. I hey I pitched that to the administration.

   Unidentified speakerVoice E

   1:47:35How do you

   StarkeyChair

   1:47:38I don't know the name of it. Okay, go ahead.

   Nancy Hazelwood

   1:47:41Hi, Nancy Hayswood, [address removed], I've been sworn. Uh the Rural Area Plans meeting started in 2005. There were over a hundred participants, and perhaps we have a couple other citizens in the room that were at these rural area plan meetings, could you please stand up? You wanna wave your hand, Richard? So we do have a few we know the intent of the Northeaster area plan.

   1:48:13The citizens that participated in those meetings would never have agreed to a rural area plan that uses seventy-five to insert intensities into the rural area, or had we known that the county would continually take large parcels out of our rural area plan, which you all have done over time. Part of the agreement with Pasco is letting VOPH develop at 40,000 units, and that area seems to be developing as expected. Now the county seems to be changing the rules and once

   1:48:43the citizens That the assistants agreed to, and the rural area is being cut out. Now, this property has ag on the north side, Nag on the west side, ag on the south side, and 75. How can the uh applicant Just use a fourth of the area around it to pull in these intensities.

   1:49:10That's the only place that can justify the use of these. So you've got three fourths of that that's all AG and you're gonna pull this in, I think that could be urban sprawl without the residents. This property has now I'm talking about consistency consistency and capacity Cup. How do you pronounce it?

   1:49:34Okay, Captain. Capacity? No. Keep yes, thank you. Anyways, this place has spash splash pads, pools, pickleball courts, tennis court, clubhouse, lodge, five hundred and fifty RVs of course. How is this compatible with the rural a neighbors and wildlife habitat? Turkey, bobcat, gophers, foxes, horses, cows and more. And it's private and enclosed.

   1:50:03This is a rural community that the wildlife has coexisted with and when this comes it won't. More consistenty consistency and hop say it again? Compatibility. Compatibility. Few sheds are protected in the Northeast Raw area. And this is something that the applicant didn't go over. You're gonna drive along 75 and you enter Pasco County just past the Pasco County sign, and

   1:50:33you're gonna see on a hill on your right a bunch of RVs. I don't care how much buffering you put in there. It's too low. You look up that hill. So maybe we want to change this. Welcome to Pasco, the land of the RV park. Bikes. Biker safety, a real bike path would be much safer than those shoulders. Uh RVs and bikers don't mix. It would be wonderful if

   1:51:03you made this into a stronger condition. Barbara Wilhite and Frances Chandler were at our first planning meetings and um they s kind of switched hats and now they get pay paid by land developers. They did help right through rural area plan, but they didn't do a good job. In fact, they failed. Or we wouldn't be here. This does not fit in the rural area and it's just another one of the failures in the rural area. Thank

   StarkeyChair

   1:51:31y'all. Appreciate it. Uh next please. Oh oh what are you doing?

   1:51:43I've got them for that was candy. Just so y'all know. Wasn't a private note.

   1:51:50Okay. Hi,

   Unidentified speakerVoice F

   1:51:50I'm Kelly Smith. My address is [address removed] in [address removed]. I have been sworn. And if you could possibly put up the site plan of the prop of the proposed development, that would be great. So that per the LDC, the intent of the Northeast Rural Protected Overlay is to protect the character of the rural landscape, preserve scenic views and vistas, and ensure that on-site development is compatible with the character of the surrounding area.

   1:52:22Rural is defined as relating to or characteristic of the countryside rather than the town. The proposed RV resort certainly looks more like a town than the countryside to me. The proposed RV resort is the first thing you'll see when entering the Northeast Rural Protected Overlay from I seventy five, and it certainly won't be considered scenic. In my opinion, and I think as shown today through others' conversations, the proposed development is simply too intense. Now there seems

   1:52:52to be a perception that the um community members are really only in Concerned about the view. um and that you know what they'll be able to see from the roadway, that's not it. We don't care about what you can see. We care about the impact of what that development is going to have on our community. The extra traffic, the extra need for services, the extra everything that's not appropriate in that area.

   1:53:21I'd like to ask for the record how this non-residential PUD can be considered by the board today, given the lack of non-residential standards in the comprehensive plan and the land development code for the Northeast Rural Protected Overlay. In creating the overlay, the county commissioners at the time gave large landowners the village of Pasadena Hills and the residents of the rural pro residents of the rural protected overlay substandard land use regulations that apparently can't hold up to the greed of developers. I ask you

   1:53:51to do better. Thank you.

   Unidentified speaker

   1:53:55Thank you. Next.

   Unidentified speakerVoice G

   1:53:58Hi, I'm Jim Weigan. Last name is W-E-I-G-A-N-D. I live at [address removed]. And I hadn't planned on talking, so I have not been sworn in. So you don't

   StarkeyChair

   1:54:12have to be

   Unidentified speakerVoice G

   1:54:13sworn

   StarkeyChair

   1:54:13in.

   Unidentified speakerVoice G

   1:54:13Don't need to? Great. Uh I have a different concern than I think everyone else that's talked here today. I have a safety concern. Uh Lake Iola and Blanton Road intersection. is blind for a long distance in both directions. I would really encourage you that if you pass this, that you look at doing something about that intersection. Because a Thirty five foot RV with a truck. Trying to turn left onto uh Lake Iowa

   1:54:44Road. is gonna block that intersection. It does now. I've seen Very close to accidents already there. And if we have another five hundred and fifty lots. In that area, I really would encourage you to do something about that before somebody gets killed. So thank you.

   StarkeyChair

   1:55:02Thank you. Written that in.

   1:55:07All right, this is our last speaker.

   Susan Meinhart

   1:55:11Okay.

   1:55:14My name is Susan Meinhart. I live at [address removed]. I am finishing Lisa's comments because she ran out of time. I'm going to reiterate that Mr. Ahmed. couldn't be bothered to seek our input. He's going to do what he wants to do to us, and he's sorry it will be so painful. This RV

   1:55:45park will cost Pasco County money. It will burden the residents financially, and there will be limited return value to the community. Even developers say this project will boost tourism for Wesley Chapel, Mr. Ahmed. Well, we aren't Wesley Chapel. We are a rural area. We are the taxpayers, and we deserve to be represented by

   1:56:15you, the people that we elected.

   1:56:21We deserve you to follow the comprehensive plan and the Urban Land Institute recommendations that we as taxpayers paid for. The rural area legally needs to be protected. Uh

   1:56:41Will. You allow. the county to court Синіфант фенчо. and potential legal action.

   1:56:56Please notice that not one person has stood up to agree with this project except for the people who have been paid to work with the development of it. And I'm also a Unfortunate um

   1:57:17I inherited the part of the solar issue because I live on [address removed]. And I have I'm right straight across from the 600 the 100 acres that was purchased by from the Jameses and the and the Jordans, and I didn't want that project to come to fruition because It should have been ranches, it should have been horse farms, it should have been something

   1:57:48agriculture, not something that is an electrical. Entity.

   1:57:56I pray that you As elected officials will vote. and and pr and protect what we have paid you to protect for us. Thank you.

   StarkeyChair

   1:58:08Okay, um that's the end of public comment and where's Barbara? Okay, you have uh how much time? Three minutes for rebuttal.

   Barbara Wilhite

   1:58:22I'm just gonna have uh Frances Chandler Marino speak to you. Um obviously the author of the plan and she can speak to the Northeast Pasco, which is most of the things you heard, other than a lot of derogatory things, um, which aren't true. But Frances Chandler.

   Frances Chandler Marino

   1:58:40All right, thank you, uh Barbara. Frances Chandler Marino. Uh I will speak fast, um, particularly because I um Relative to the rural area plan, I just want to let everyone know and remember what we were trying to accomplish when that was being constructed. And that is I had one immediate job. And my job was to stop the freight train. And the freight train at that time was low density residential

   1:59:10development. When you're stopping a freight train, you can do one thing and one thing only. But I don't think that I left the residents stranded or this board. Because, in addition to that, the policies of Northeast Pasco include a specific policy, 2.1.4, that required the county. To do a vision plan for Northeast Pasco to handle all these comprehensive issues. So there's never an intention that this plan would

   1:59:41always be the plan in place and that it wouldn't evolve over time. And that policy 2.1.4 specifies all of the details of how you move forward. Guys, hang on

   StarkeyChair

   1:59:55one second.

   1:59:58Yeah, so Yeah. If you want to talk you can go right outside that door. All right, John. Okay, no more comments from over there. Okay. It's very disruptive. and uh pretend you have an extra minute oh sorry sorry

   Frances Chandler Marino

   2:00:13So particularly it laid out the planning process that the county needed to um to go into in order to address this for a 50 year period. I'll point out too that when this plan was adopted, it was adopted with a horizon of now. You have you you've reached the end of your horizon. So your plan does need to be extended because right now you're not planning for 20 years or 30 years or 50 years. Your plan is only meeting

   2:00:43the needs of today. So I guess that if there's something that I could offer you, I think that that's that's it. It's it's um because I do feel a lot of pride of authorship with the Northeast Pasco Rural Plan and with those citizens. And I feel like we did a good job for them, but it wasn't complete. And when I did this assessment, I only review what's in the plan today, not making policy that's Your job. But right now, the policies as they're constructed, this

   2:01:14application is consistent. If you want a different result, you need different policies.

   StarkeyChair

   2:01:20I thank you. Thank you. Okay. Um board members, do we have questions of the applicant?

   Moore

   2:01:26I I have one.

   StarkeyChair

   2:01:27I made a couple

   Moore

   2:01:28if you don't mind.

   StarkeyChair

   2:01:28I'll make some notes.

   Moore

   2:01:29I don't know, Ms. Woolhay? So can we have a map of the project? We have a printout. But obviously I can't just hold this up and show everybody. Yeah,

   Lisa Moretti

   2:01:40we

   Unidentified speaker

   2:01:40can

   Moore

   2:01:41if we don't mind pulling it up.

   2:01:45Actually, could we put up the um I I don't know if this is a Google Earth or what do I have here?

   2:01:54I don't know. Almost like a Google Earth with a with the um Project in between.

   2:02:02It would I thought it would be it would be this right here.

   Barbara Wilhite

   2:02:06Yeah, I'm trying to get to the

   Moore

   2:02:08Okay, so make sure I'll set this.

   Barbara Wilhite

   2:02:09Might be fighting each other here. Let me see which one you're talking about.

   Moore

   2:02:13Oh okay.

   Barbara Wilhite

   2:02:14It's right there. There you go.

   Moore

   2:02:16Right there. Okay. We didn't zoom in. Because I'm I'm okay. So I I'm just curious. So there's a

   2:02:26If I look at Lake Is that Lake Ida? Lake Ida? Iola. Iola. Can't remember my own. There, now it's okay, there we go, that's better. Our screen was distorted, so now we can see. Lake Iola Road. and across the street I see a home Directly across the street. I don't did that person speak? The person that has the home across

   Oakley

   2:02:46the

   2:02:47room.

   2:02:48No. I don't think anybody's living in that home.

   Moore

   2:02:51Okay, if you go down and we go up to the top of the screen, I see another home. Is that uh That's

   Oakley

   2:02:56a barn?

   Moore

   2:02:57That's a barn. I see it's a home. And a home to the

   Oakley

   2:02:59north of it.

   Moore

   2:03:00Okay. What about the home? If you look at the project with a small r with a retention pond and we look to the west, there's a home a little bit northwest. I I got f I'm asked I gotta ask the is that person here?

   Barbara Wilhite

   2:03:16No.

   Moore

   2:03:16I mean it's I'm just asking the audience. Okay.

   2:03:25Is there anybody that I I can see any of the homes here on the screen that abut the project actually in in the room? 'Cause I was gonna ask a couple of questions. Nobody here. Can I speak to that? No, you can't speak from the audience. It's the chair. Yeah. I was just asking if anybody was here, so Okay. You can't you gotta stop talking for the audience. You're gonna go out.

   StarkeyChair

   2:03:51Okay, I'm sorry. That's that's We tried. We tried.

   2:03:59All right. Okay. Go ahead, Barbara. So it sounds like we don't have any adjacent owners here.

   Moore

   2:04:06Okay. So my next question is, okay, we talked about the environment. We look at the lake and and and I see a retention pond there. Tell us again what considerations, if any, have been given to any um negative runoff or that could have a negative effect on the lake.

   Barbara Wilhite

   2:04:21Let me have Joe Summano come up and

   Joe

   2:04:32Good afternoon, Commissioner. Uh Joe Simeneau, WRA Engineering. 4260 West Linebaugh Avenue, 33624, I have been sworn. Uh Commissioner Moore, um we are draining into Moody Lake, which discharges the Middle Lake, which ultimately makes its way down the Hancock Lake. It's a closed basin system, which means we're going to be held to the strictest strictest standards for discharge rate. Um, so we'll be held to closed basin criteria. We'll have to match pre-post hundred year storm

   2:05:02conditions. So that takes care of the attenuation and the flood control. Water quality would be um In accordance with EPA standards, which have been delegated to state standards, which both the Water Management District and Pasco and Pasco County Adhere to, will be held to water quality treatment standards. Uh we'll need

   Moore

   2:05:21a SWIFT MUD permit of some type.

   Joe

   2:05:23Absolutely. We'll get a SWIFT MUD permit. Yes.

   Moore

   2:05:25Well I just want to make sure that's why I'm asking the the applicant here.

   Joe

   2:05:28And and not to go too deep down the rabbit hole with the technicalities, but because it's a closed basin and we're required to hold back so much volume. the amount of water quality treatment will be multiple times the norm because we're actually holding back so much water that we'll only really get to the lake through groundwater percolation versus surface water discharge.

   Moore

   2:05:47So was somebody that's a little bit more than a little bit. Does spend a lot of time.

   2:05:53Carolyn Dodd. We've we sat we sat before and I think Richard as well. We had meetings in the past Even a few years uh back, we talked about the possibility of like an equestrian center or something like that, which obviously would be a good fit. But at the same time, I just want to remind you guys, you know, when we talked about this that day is my daughters, I have two daughters that ride horses and we have a motor home. So we travel from Equestrian Center, Equestrian Center. We also go to numerous state and national parks. We've

   2:06:24been as far north on the, you know, as northern mid-northern Ohio, for example, when state actually had a county park that had a that actually had an RV park in a lake and a very big lake that was maintained by by the uh county itself. Um What? But when I think about it, when we go to these equestrian centers They have. numerous R V sites though too. I mean a massive, a massive amount of RC RV

   2:06:54sites at a very large majority of the ones we go to. There's some smaller ones that may only have, you know, like 15 or 20 or 30 spots, you know, kind of the the um smaller facilities that really aren't the upper echelon of the equestrian world, but they do have those. And I've been to a number of again, state parks, you know, Smokey Mountain National Park, um, you know, Everglades and things like that, and there's RV parks within 'em. So I listen, I and I get we've had great meetings and and I adore you guys and stuff. I

   2:07:25this one right here though, I I th I I honestly kind of thought it would be almost more welcome for the area. And I say that because the last thing I'd want to see is that those high density homes there on the forty foot and fifty foot lots are God forbid an a giant apartment complex that sits there as well. I mean, sorry, that's just my mindset, you know. Um Yeah, I I I honestly thought and I appreciate everybody's uh comments and and your testimony and consent and and everything you've considered and the work you

   2:07:55put into it. I honestly just thought, you know, this would be more w of a welcome thing. You know, considering some of the past conversations we had, especially when it comes to possibly having equestrian center or something like that, because you look at the amount of horse trailers that would be going back and forth on a daily basis. Cause these shows nowadays, lots of times they'll start on a Tuesday or Wednesday and they'll start training like on Monday. It's almost a seven a week day-a-week thing. So you got multiple hundreds and hundreds of horse trailers possibly going back and forth. Plus, you have your motor home. homes and travel trailers

   2:08:25and things like that. Again, I appreciate everything you guys have said. I just you know, I mean I I just think this is so much better than the possibility of a very condensed single family home or possibly multifamily home project. But uh but that's um you know that's my opinion. So

   StarkeyChair

   2:08:47Um may I uh while you're still up there and I think this I think this might be kind of a along the line of you were asking. So what I think Lisa in her notes, I took notes on things everyone said, wastewater plant. And um is that you? Is that someone else? 'Cause that's kinda to the water quality.

   2:09:12Why does it why is someone saying they don't think it's allowed here?

   Moore

   2:09:14I don't know, but it's very important for these projects to have that facility on site versus having to worry about the the county resources to treat that. But

   Fitzpatrick

   2:09:24And how does the water quality and the drainage and the sewer from the water, the wastewater, how does it flow? And how does the septic work? Since there's no septic, how does the how do the wells work? And the soil quality. Yeah.

   Joe

   2:09:41Sure. Uh. Let me give you the 40,000 foot view. And if there's still questions, the people that actually design the plants can take you way deep down the rabbit hole on how it works. Um but I think one of the things we learned at the last time I was standing in this podium was there was a misconception that there was like a septic drain field that was being installed. That is not the case. Any sewage that comes out of these uh RVs will be a direct connection. Into a sewer connection, just like a residential home that takes it

   2:10:11through a gravity sewer to a water treatment plant on the site. Unlike a septic drain field that just gets held and distributed into the ground and we hope the ground does its magic. It actually gets treated and these guys if you would like will take you into the into the deep technicalities of how much it will be treated, but it will be treated to secondary treatment standards and then distributed back underground through infiltration basins throughout the site. There's about eight acres of infiltration around the site. But

   2:10:41at that point, it is not sewage. It is it is effluent that's coming from a wastewater treatment plant that has been treated to secondary standards that these guys would be more than happy to tell you about. Madam Chair, just can I continue on with that? Yeah.

   Moore

   2:10:56Yeah, that's very important. Again, somebody that's gone to a number of RB parks throughout the the nation, you can tell sometimes the ones that don't have those facilities because it's sometimes it's not a pleasant experience if you're staying there. So it is very it is very important. Um how how do we gonna how do we see this written into the plans? Where's our where's the guarantee that this this water treatment plant will be done as part of the project? Or facility, I guess you could sell it, call it.

   Barbara Wilhite

   2:11:26So they have obviously st state standards they have to apply comply with, but we're just a transmittal of comp plan.

   Unidentified speakerVoice F

   2:11:31I know.

   Barbara Wilhite

   2:11:32If there's things that you want to make sure we Yeah, if you things the MPD we have two months until it comes back. If there's things you wanna make sure that we right into the M PUD we can do that.

   Moore

   2:11:40Yeah, but I would assume that's something you probably would be Willing to do?

   Barbara Wilhite

   2:11:44Of

   Moore

   2:11:44course. Right. Okay. Because it is important because again, there are concerns, you know, you have environmental concerns about the lake and surrounding waters and the soil in the

   Oakley

   2:11:52They also have a a potable uh they'll have a well on the property they'll make into a public well system, water system and they will use water directly off that property.

   Moore

   2:12:02Mm Madam Clerk one more thing. If you maybe you or Mr. Steisler can also explain um this hearing compared to the hearing that would be coming up.

   2:12:11What should be asked today by us can what should should be asked during the next public hearing?

   Unidentified speakerVoice A

   2:12:18So Normally I Admonish you all that it's a comp plan hearing and you can't go into details except that this one is a PD comp plan hearing. And they're a little different because they have to about it envisions a subsequent plan. So anything that you would like to see in a sub-area policy in your comprehensive plan, you can ask about.

   StarkeyChair

   2:12:43Okay, I have some questions.

   Unidentified speakerVoice A

   2:12:45And then but knowing that this is also an MPUD, so you can also Deal with it at that at that level as well. But this isn't your traditional, oh, it's res 16 and it's gonna be an apartment complex kind of discussion because it's because it is a PD. I um

   MarianoVice Chair

   2:13:10Commissioner Mariano it used to be when we had these hearings like this, we'd have them both back to back. We put everything together on it.

   Unidentified speakerVoice A

   2:13:17Well you can't you can't do the zoning until you do the adoption of your comprehensive plan amendment. My guess is Ms. Will Hight will have plan to have her adoption hearing of the of the ordinance adoption of the Comp Plan Category. And the M P Back to back. Then.

   MarianoVice Chair

   2:13:39Right. But this is

   Unidentified speakerVoice A

   2:13:40transmittal.

   MarianoVice Chair

   2:13:41So uh and and I'm but I'm glad you bring it up. This is the time to ask all the questions we want. Um I think the paper we give has got a lot of good questions. So I think this is the time to ask all the questions up front right now.

   StarkeyChair

   2:13:52Well

   MarianoVice Chair

   2:13:53I'll

   StarkeyChair

   2:13:53I'll see if you do you have any questions? Uh uh but I'll I'll wait,

   MarianoVice Chair

   2:13:56go ahead.

   StarkeyChair

   2:13:56Uh okay, so I I have a little list. Um So uh we had a question about the topography. Are you changing the Are you doing changes to the topography?

   Joe

   2:14:13Uh one of the biggest reasons we went from 675 to 550 uh was because of the topography. This site is about the hilliest site you can do civil engineering on in the area. Um so that's why we have a road that's about a mile with nothing on it. That's to help transition through that topography. So it's not going to be a clear cut of the site, turn it into a big flat site. It's going to be working with the topography stepping down into these multiple pods. And the hill dropped off so, so steeply and we had

   2:14:43to preserve that slope. That's again why we have about a mile of road or we have that 2,000 feet or so of road with nothing on it just to get down the hill.

   StarkeyChair

   2:14:51Okay. Right. So we're not changing the topography.

   2:15:01Okay. Um I don't know how to address the n the Panther, but I mean That's great if we had a panther there. I actually saw wolves on Starkey Boulevard a couple years ago. Two wol two giant wolves. Um Native species. Do you I would assume you're gonna be putting native a lot of native species in there because those are much cheaper to maintain, but native species? Yes. Um Solar. You know, if you were to think

   2:15:31about it, um Uh Epperson has solar streetlights and uh I think they're available for other communities. So that's just a thought that you might look at those solar streetlights. And thinking at of the solar of the streetlights. And the someone mentioned dark sky. I mean we have that ordinance in the county. You can't have a light shine up because we're preserving the dark sky. So we're preparing for that. So your your lights are gonna be shining down, right? Right. We've we're

   Barbara Wilhite

   2:15:59following the the you have land development code standards we're gonna follow.

   StarkeyChair

   2:16:03Okay. Um Sasha also mentioned walkable communities. And when I met with you. Um We it doesn't show it on this plan, but my understanding is that you have Um This was the second time I met with you guy you guys. There are It's easy for the members to walk around here. between those big roads you had some Walkable green space.

   Barbara Wilhite

   2:16:30We have two miles of sidewalks, paths, and a nature walk.

   StarkeyChair

   2:16:36Yeah, but I mean to get from one street to another and to move through. Yes. Um Let's see. Um the six months. So you cannot live for six months here, pull out. And then come back in and use someone else's name or something and spend another six months. Is that correct? There is some kind of safeguard that 'Cause I think some people try and pull that one. We don't want that.

   Oakley

   2:17:01Yeah, I don't That's not that part of you.

   Moore

   2:17:04Yeah, I don't honestly again, I'm just using experience. It's in leases paper. Yeah, this isn't a this isn't an inexpensive place. I mean that's that's that would be very, very costly to do that. You would probably probably want to find like a again, like a state park or a county park or something like that where the rates are much lower. These I would assume this place is probably gonna I don't know how much they're gonna charge, but I would assume it's pretty high. Bye.

   StarkeyChair

   2:17:28I'm just going through the questions that were brought to me and that were mentioned here. Um okay, sound. Um if if there is a a s uh A sound uh system Can that sound be projected towards seventy-five? Um so that The The decibels are heading to the highway and not over the lake. Just as as you do your layout?

   Barbara Wilhite

   2:17:53That's a good idea. We will certainly think about that. Um all the RV resorts I've been to are pretty quiet places. And so I we don't intend to bring people in and then annoy them with noise.

   StarkeyChair

   2:18:04Yeah. Okay.

   Fitzpatrick

   2:18:07what? Baby having concerts or anything? That That was one of the concerns.

   Oakley

   2:18:12I wouldn't think. Well

   Fitzpatrick

   2:18:13I'm I'm just I

   Unidentified speakerVoice A

   2:18:14that's

   2:18:14a good thing.

   2:18:14I think the i the issue came up when somebody said it there was a band shell. I think that's where some of this is coming from.

   StarkeyChair

   2:18:22Okay, um let's see, what other one? Um oh that intersection. Um is that inter Lake Iola and Blanton intersection? Is that a is that a problem? I can answer.

   Barbara Wilhite

   2:18:34You do have uh your traffic operations uh director, Van Cat, on WebEx if you want to hear from him about that intersection.

   Oakley

   2:18:42But yeah, uh I can give you an answer when this first came about, we talked about with uh Margaret Smith and her group in engineering and traffic and U F D O T. And they researched this entire Intercession collide. Like some of our neighbors out there, I also felt it would be a problem. And it came out that it's not a problem according according to the traffic folks and engineers.

   StarkeyChair

   2:19:07Looks like a perfect intersection for a roundabout rather than that. funky way that they have

   Oakley

   2:19:12maybe in the future, but at this time they they kinda gave a report that it was not that Big of an issue or not? I felt I think I heard one of the neighbors speak of that. And I felt the same way the first time I heard about the project and I called in Margaret Smith and engineers and traffic and F D OT to research that right off the bat to be sure it was not a problem. Um

   StarkeyChair

   2:19:36so and lastly, um I we t I talked with the applicants about Um landscaping. And that um that every Lot could have a Have a tree, they've got a pretty comprehensive planscape plan. Um they don't they're gonna show it at the next meeting because I asked for visuals. Um but I think it's important that the canopy that there be a tree canopy on this property. And um they have committed to that. And the

   2:20:07pads, I believe they're going to be concrete pavers, not poured concrete. Um so

   MarianoVice Chair

   2:20:14we could answer on that though.

   Barbara Wilhite

   2:20:19Brian, you wanna

   2:20:23His answer was their pavers. And how are

   StarkeyChair

   2:20:25they installed? So those so concrete pavers are pervious, not impervious. So that's good. And I think that for me that answered all the notes I took from the Oh, and I and I'm I have checked what they're doing and asked them to look at that AECOM study. And took it to the cycling community. We took it to the um B PAC. And they're comfortable with the six-lane addition on the side for

   2:20:56the cycling community. And boy, wouldn't we like to have that other places?

   Oakley

   2:21:00I um

   Barbara Wilhite

   2:21:01We'll be the start

   StarkeyChair

   2:21:02of that.

   Oakley

   2:21:07bike path that you're gonna add to the road, I think that's very good because I had an issue with when I got on 41 the other day from Traveler's Rest. I got in biting some bikers and that's a real issue and It's a safety issue. We need to look at doing those. And Commissioner Starkey and I both uh feel the same way about that. Uh somebody brought up earlier, uh, they were referring to this, like in Zephyrhills, all the RV parks in Zephyrhills. This is an RV resort and it's

   2:21:37not a residential park like in Zephyrhills or Traveler's Rest, which is probably within a mile of this project. has been there f they celebrated on Saturday. Over fifty years been in a part of the community. They have their own uh store grocery store, they have their own Sheriff's deputy, they have a fire station, they have all these things. And they've been there for over 50 years and been a great part of the community. And m a lot more people than what's here questioned

   2:22:07here, because there's fifteen hundred or so in that park so. But they they've had a a great been a great part and a partner to the county and the citizens. here in Pasco County in this area. So

   Fitzpatrick

   2:22:22Okay. Commissioner

   StarkeyChair

   2:22:24Fitzpatrick.

   Fitzpatrick

   2:22:25Thank you. So I know we have a decibel sound ordinance, so it can the decibels can only be so high. Um One of the questions I received previously was how would the pavers be installed? Would they just be where they're permeable in between they're obvious they would not be pouring concrete between the pavers?

   Barbara Wilhite

   2:22:48Gotta meet Brian. He's gotta come up here.

   Unidentified speakerVoice H

   2:22:54Uh good afternoon, Commissioners. Uh Brian Olin with Lacido and Associates. Seven oh one East Ocean Boulevard Stuart. I've been sworn in, but I know it's not necessary. Um It that would be vehicular grade. uh pavers, so they'd be extra thick on a vehicular grade. Uh subcompacted base. Um, we'd have to look at the soil conditions to see if pervious uh would work. Sometimes you get washouts under them. I know some of these RVs can be quite heavy. They're also utilized stabilizer pads

   2:23:24sometimes on the bigger class A's. Uh so the the washout of the underlayment would be my concern with using pervious pavers.

   2:23:34So I don't think at this time we could capitulate to Pervious, but I see no issues with with pavers.

   Joe

   2:23:43So

   MarianoVice Chair

   2:23:43you're can I follow up with that? So if you if you check the soils out and the soils aren't strong enough, you're afraid of wash outs, et cetera. instead of making it a full concrete pad or asphalt pad. Is there a space width that you can have to take care of the wheels on each side of it? So you can put pavers in the center part. Concrete or asphalt to the side.

   Unidentified speakerVoice H

   2:24:07But whether or not the pavers would be a pervious system. Right.

   StarkeyChair

   2:24:12The county considers any concrete paver pervious.

   MarianoVice Chair

   2:24:18Understood.

   2:24:20Okay. Uh so let me let me just finish with a with what I'm trying to s say. So if you find the soils don't work to where you can p make it a pervious system and you gotta put s a concrete bottom or something. Is there a way that you can take where the wheels are going to go for the RVs and isolate those areas as a concrete pad or asphalt pad, whatever it's going to be? And then in between that, on the in the middle part of it. To go put the proteus.

   Unidentified speakerVoice H

   2:24:47That's certainly a possibility. Um under the counties So South Florida Water Management District, which is where I operate, they don't classify pavers as as pervious. They classify them as impervious. So There are certain pavers with a gap between them that allow water to percolate through. that are usually backfilled with a with a uh a fine pebble. Um those are the purvious pavers that I'm referring to where the water actually passes through.

   2:25:18Right. Um I think at the very least we could do a paver pad. on all of the pads. Now whether or not it is the the industry standard of what would be classified as a pervious system to allow water to pass between the pavers, that would depend on the soil. the soils, you know, at uh at the site. um which our civil engineer can can talk to uh more specifically. To put A mixed system

   2:25:48of grout set, you know, on on concrete pads under the wheels. You could get different stable, you know, settling issues where some of the pavers could settle, whereas other pavers wouldn't because they're on concrete. So I would prefer it to just be one. One system or the other.

   MarianoVice Chair

   2:26:05Will you be able to do your soil testing before the next round comes back to us?

   Unidentified speakerVoice H

   2:26:08Uh

   MarianoVice Chair

   2:26:09did they do borings out there yet?

   Joe

   2:26:15Yes, there was geotechnical testing not on every pad. Is it may I ask a question, is the concern water runoff?

   MarianoVice Chair

   2:26:21Is that Yeah, we want to try to have as much progress as we can so the water Sinks down through the soils as opposed to doing runoff.

   Joe

   2:26:27Right. Understood. Um and I I think, and correct me if I'm wrong, there are no concrete pads being built for driveways. Every pad will be a paver system. Correct. Every pad will be a paver system. Okay. Right. And but for my stormwater calculations, I have to assume water can't go through it.

   MarianoVice Chair

   2:26:43That's okay. No, that'll just

   Joe

   2:26:44make it better for drainage. Exactly. Exactly. So I have to Whatever world they're living in, I have to pr I have to pretend the water can't go through it at all. Okay.

   Fitzpatrick

   2:26:54But there is not a concrete pad underneath of the pavers?

   Unidentified speakerVoice H

   2:26:58No.

   Fitzpatrick

   2:26:58Okay.

   Unidentified speakerVoice H

   2:26:59No, they would be vehicular grade pavers which are a little bit thicker than your typical pa backyard patio paver.

   Oakley

   2:27:05Madam Chair.

   Unidentified speaker

   2:27:06And then drinkable.

   MarianoVice Chair

   2:27:09Can we have more discussion? I have a I've I've waited. Okay. So I I do want to go through a few things that were in here too that I didn't hear about.

   Unidentified speaker

   2:27:14Oh okay, Jack, why don't you finish then we'll go to Christine. Water will be drinkable. She was speaking. She was speaking.

   MarianoVice Chair

   2:27:20Yeah, let yeah let her finish.

   Joe

   2:27:25Uh there'll be well water that is drinkable, yes.

   Fitzpatrick

   2:27:30So is the water from a well then?

   Joe

   2:27:33Yes. Yes, the potable drinking water is from a well.

   Fitzpatrick

   2:27:36Okay, my last question. is that I had some c citizens ask concerns. What is and I've asked you this and you said the taxes, the property taxes are on a per space basis. Do you have that today or can you provide that?

   Barbara Wilhite

   2:27:53Sure, I can provide that. The mobility fees are per space. Right. Um the taxes it's at Valorum tax station. I don't have the numbers, but um and then we also pay tourist tax. I know those are like estimated about three hundred and fifty thousand a year. in a tourist tax to the county. But I can get the Avalorum numbers from the property appraiser. Thank you for bringing back. That's it.

   MarianoVice Chair

   2:28:16Okay. Commissioner Mariano. So one of the questions was asked on here and uh talk with the residents about it was water banking. Is there a way that you can bank some of the stormwater that goes in by creating a big uh stormwater holding facility.

   Joe

   2:28:34So we do have to create large stormwater management ponds. Right. Under a normal system, I mentioned earlier it was in a closed basin. Moody Lake's not a closed basin. Middle Lake's not a closed basin. But as you go down a few more lakes, the water just sort of stops. So that's going to require us to have a special kind of stormwater management facility. So it's not going to be the kind that just water flows into it, it holds it back, and then discharges it. out in a moody lake. We actually have to hold back water a little bit more because of the closed basin criteria. So we're effectively going to be creating

   2:29:04what you're saying.

   MarianoVice Chair

   2:29:05Okay. Uh

   2:29:10Barbara, we had talked about the um splash pad. How much it uses water. We talked about looking at uh using It's a system that would take a lot of the recycled water. Have you guys done a study on that and how's what's the results?

   2:29:25On the splash pad.

   Barbara Wilhite

   2:29:26Yes, we talked about the water use folks this morning and uh we'll work on a condition that we can bring back at the MPUD. Regarding r how to write it that we have to recycle the water for the splash button.

   MarianoVice Chair

   2:29:37And for the board, the reason I'm asking the question is the more water that uses there, it's harder. It's it's very important to recycle so you minimize the amount of water. And discharge you're gonna have all day later on. Um All right, so let me just get to Commissioner Oakley. May ask your question. When you're driving along Lake Iola Road and you're you're stuck behind the the bikers. How wide was that? Because you said it was tough to pass, so even if it's four feet. How wide were the bikers out there?

   Oakley

   2:30:06Well you take one bike and you take a grown man on that bike and Whatever his shoulder width and his handlebars. I mean it it looked like it was two and a half, three feet. But you're taking it out of um I don't know what that road is out there, if it's uh twelve foot or it's probably they were in a line. Ten foot length. But they're in a line on one side. But they take up that three feet out of that lane. You can't just drive right by them.

   MarianoVice Chair

   2:30:37So they're all single file, they're not out.

   Oakley

   2:30:39They were single file. They were not. I've seen them three deep across and four deep, but they were not. They were biding by the single file. But you as a car in your in your lane, you could not drive straight past them.

   MarianoVice Chair

   2:30:53Okay. So in the southern part of this development, that's where the upgrade they say is good it's good. It's tough to make it wider. Um, my thought was in talking with them, we should uh actually look instead of just doing the six feet, maybe we should look at going even l wider, like eight feet. Uh if you've considered that or do you think it's reasonable to go that way? To make it a little bit safer, give yourself a little bit more room.

   Oakley

   2:31:15Well And uh MPO I think has some area that we can go into and it deals with safety that we c probably could get some of those grant funds that we could use for

   MarianoVice Chair

   2:31:24I'm looking for them to pay for it, not a grant fund. So they're gonna I'm looking for them to pay for it, not for a grant fund.

   2:31:32So if they're gonna come in, and I'll I'll I'll give him some slack on the first part which's the steeper grade. Right. 'Cause hopefully people go single file. But once you get up closer and closer I think it's safer if you go wider than not. And I think I don't think a couple of feet's unreasonable. Um

   2:31:51Are you comfortable with asking for that?

   Oakley

   2:31:53Yeah, and they're taking care of the part that's coming down Lake Isla Road in front of that property down to Bayhead because that's the normal travel of the bikers. They'll come from Lake Isla across Interstate, go down to Bayhead and take left on Bayhead and go down

   MarianoVice Chair

   2:32:08Bayhead. All right, so I'm gonna ask Barbara, we talked about this going wider. knowing that the first part's a little bit more difficult 'cause of the steep slope that's there. Uh for the rest of it, let's say coming up to closer to the entryway. Are you guys comfortable going to an eight-foot wide path for the remainder going to the north?

   Barbara Wilhite

   2:32:25We we can certainly look at that before we come back. I mean, just to explain where we got. We we didn't make up these shoulders. They're your study. Oh,

   MarianoVice Chair

   2:32:31I understand.

   Barbara Wilhite

   2:32:32Your study recommended four. Um we did six, because they recommend six if your bikers are going uphill because they sway back and forth to try to get up the hill. Um so that's where that we came from, just so you know we didn't just Say six. We actually looked at the study that Commissioner Starkey Suggested we look at. So but we'll look we can look at that. We can have our team look at what the difference between six and eight.

   MarianoVice Chair

   2:32:55And I wanna I wanna say You know, way back when we did the air report. With Francis Chill and Marino. One of the things we looked at was all the different employment centers around this whole county. We took every interchange up and down, including 4175, even knowing the topographical differences of this one interchange interchange around the whole county was designed for something commercial to be in that area. Exactly what was gonna happen, didn't know, but that was why we targeted this one area for that one thing. And this is like I've writing a butting it. And

   2:33:26by the way, Barbara, the next time I wish you'd have the picture like we talked about, where you can see the interchange in relation to the project. Because around that is where the density some density should come. It shouldn't sprawl out. But around this hit the change we had to expect something to come in there. And I also said

   Oakley

   2:33:40that interchange uh staff's been looking at that interchange and there's already some employment generated businesses coming there. Uh not started yet, but it's been approved to be there. And and it's been on the On the books for thirty years been approved to have uh Uh employment centers. So

   MarianoVice Chair

   2:34:02And when when we were doing this, one of the things I suggested it didn't get adopted was to the When you look at Pennyless and Hillsboro How they developed in northern part of the county, replied to us and look what it did for us. It jammed us up all the way up and down. And now those people are coming up and around. It's a mess down there when it could have been much better set. I've always said the n the northern half mile of Pasco County should be more intense all the way around that border. Because you know Hernando County is gonna grow stronger at the bottom to the south.

   Oakley

   2:34:30Yeah.

   MarianoVice Chair

   2:34:31So I don't wanna go past that point as far as density goes. I'd like to keep it to the rural that we got. Um And uh that's one of the things. So let me just add one one extra thing about the project, Barbara. Do you have spots here for horses and trolse trailers to come in with the RVs?

   Barbara Wilhite

   2:34:46You know, I been asked that question recently. Um I don't know the answer, but we will get an answer.

   MarianoVice Chair

   2:34:52Okay. So the next presentation, I'd like you to bring something back where you can actually make this More horse friendly as well.

   StarkeyChair

   2:35:02How do they make it horse friendly?

   MarianoVice Chair

   2:35:04If you got a so you can take a host trailer and

   Oakley

   2:35:08Well they travel their travel horse there's horses out there, they travel a lot. So even in the Northeast Rural, the Northeast Rural grew. Have spoken to me several times about wanting a Um equestron. A Vincent or somewhere out in the northeast rural area. But then when you talk about it

   StarkeyChair

   2:35:27or something?

   Oakley

   2:35:28Well How do you

   StarkeyChair

   2:35:29make

   Oakley

   2:35:29Well what Mr. More and we were talking about is when you have that arena. And you have all the horse traders with the live in quarters and all and the buses that come along with that. then there's almost like a R V park along with that event and that event could last four or five days or a week.

   StarkeyChair

   2:35:47Yeah, I

   Oakley

   2:35:47have

   StarkeyChair

   2:35:47friends that do that.

   Oakley

   2:35:49But there there's There's gotta be give and take and and there's a right vision for it. I don't have it yet. But I think there's something that that's out there that's gonna be unique. Very beautiful for the northeast area.

   Fitzpatrick

   2:36:03Well Madam Chair. Yep. When you're considering the bike path, having possibly like an equestrian trail going alongside of it. So just incorporating the equestrian and the bike routes together. Okay, now we're getting a little bit more.

   Moore

   2:36:20Yeah, so and I appreciate the comments. So are

   Unidentified speaker

   2:36:22we under discussion? Yeah,

   Moore

   2:36:24or did we have a motion?

   2:36:27I've got a motion to feed them and things like that. So that wouldn't be good.

   Oakley

   2:36:31Okay. I move approval.

   Unidentified speakerVoice A

   2:36:33Second. You move you move transmittal to the Department of Economics.

   Oakley

   2:36:39Yeah,

   Unidentified speakerVoice A

   2:36:40say it that way.

   StarkeyChair

   2:36:42Okay, and we have a second any more discussion? Is this a roll call vote or a regular vote? Okay. All in favor? Aye. Okay. Um we are back to um Dan Biles. Do you have anything more you want to share? Okay. Uh to the clerk? No. No. No, to the county attorney. Yeah. Yeah. To the county attorney.

   Carol Cruz

   2:37:08How do you go? Oh probably I'll make four or something.

   StarkeyChair

   2:37:13Darn it, if I didn't write it down I'd not gonna remember.

   2:37:21Give 'em one minute to figure out here.

   2:37:27I have someone to discuss, but I can't remember what part that is.

   Unidentified speakerVoice A

   2:37:30Commissioner Oakley?

   Moore

   2:37:34He's going to another meeting. Is he?

   StarkeyChair

   2:37:40Okay.

   2:37:42Okay, we're still hey guys, you're gonna have to take your conversation out, sorry. We're still uh in the middle of our meeting. Please go on outside the doors. Thank you very much.

   2:38:04Oh yeah, I remember what it is. Okay.

5. 5Mar 8, 2022
   Board of County CommissionersP51Public hearingContinued

   An Ordinance Amending the Pasco County Large-Scale Comprehensive Plan; Providing Plan Amendment (Continuance) - CPAL 21(10) North Pasco RV Resort –Providing for a Large-Scale Comprehensive … 2-9 Adding Subarea Map 2- 9(63): 2-9(63) North Pasco RV Resort; Providing for Additional Text Amendments as Necessary for Internal Consistency; Providing for a Repealer, Severability, and an Effective Date. Resort.

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   Approved to continue the item to the April 5, 2022 Board of County Commissioners meeting at 1:30 p.m. in Dade City.

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   StarkeyChair

   16:00Okay, uh P fifty one.

   StarkeyChair

   16:02B51, we have proof of publication. On this matter in the Tampa Bay Times, November twenty-fourth of twenty twenty one.

   Denise

   16:15P fifty one is P twenty two zero zero eight eight. Uh this item is a request to continue the item to the April 5th, 2022 Board of County Commissioners meeting at 130 in Dade City.

   StarkeyChair

   16:27Okay. Um

   Oakley

   16:29move to approve continuous.

   StarkeyChair

   16:33Second. Um all in favor? Aye. Did I need to take public comment? No.

   StarkeyChair

   16:39No, that

   Unidentified speakerVoice A

   16:39was on your agenda

   StarkeyChair

   16:40as a conclusion.

   16:43We have actually several online signed up, but But

   Oakley

   16:47these are continued. They will speak when it comes back up.

   Moore

   16:49Madam Chairman,

   16:52so you don't take it. It was on

   Unidentified speakerVoice A

   16:53your agenda as it continues.

   Moore

   16:54Exactly. So you don't take public you

   StarkeyChair

   16:55don't take public comments. I thought before we had said you could speak once. You can't speak public.

   17:02But that's how it used to be. Only for regular genesis? Only for regular genesis. Right.

6. 6Apr 5, 2022
   Board of County CommissionersP54Public hearingAdopted

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   Approved to adopt and to include a whereas clause finding of fact which read “whereas the proposed commercial recreational use is compatible along a major interstate corridor I-75, a six-lane divided interstate highway that carries an average of approximately 48,500 vehicles daily and has access to this facility from I-75/Blanton Road interchange which is located approximately 1 mile north of the

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   StarkeyChair

   2:43:59P54. And then we'll do P59.

   StarkeyChair

   2:44:07Okay, item P fifty four was published in the Tampa Bay Times on November twenty-fourth, twenty twenty one.

   Valerie Brookins

   2:44:14Good afternoon. I would like to request for a receive and file. It's a letter from DEO, the no comment letter. Second. All in favor? Aye. Thank you.

   2:44:28Valerie Brookins, Planning and Development Department. Yeah.

   2:44:36Do we need okay, there we go.

   2:44:41Today we have the PDD 22088, the Large Scale Comprehensive Plan Amendment, CPAL 2110, North Pasco RV. This is for ordinance today, which is ordinance amending the Pasco sorry. Backwards.

   2:45:00An ordinance amending the Pasco County Comprehensive Plan, providing for a large-scale comprehensive plan amendment to the future land use map, Map 2-15, and Sheet 7, from AGR, Agricultural Rule, to PD, Plan Development. On approximately 131.6 acres of real property located east of Lake Iola Road and south of Blanton Road. A text amendment creating sub-area policy flu 7.1.63,

   2:45:32North Pasco RV Resort, a map amendment to the future land use map 2-9, adding sub-area map 2-963, North Pasco RB Resort, providing for additional text amendments as necessary for internal consistency, providing for a repealer, severability, and an effective date. This shows the site location, which is in the North Market area, and also the northeast Pasco Rural area.

   2:46:04As you can see, it is along I-75, east of Lake Iola and south of Blanton Road.

   2:46:13The proposals to amend the future land use maps 215, Sheet 7, Agricultural Rule 2 PD, Plan Development. That has the approximate 132 acres to allow for the development of an RV resort with a maximum of 550 RV spaces. The location as we previously saw. The resolution to amend the future land use maps to 15 Sheet 7 create sub-area policy flu 7.1.63,

   2:46:44North Pasco RV Resort, and amend flu map 2-9 creating the sub-area policy. Or creating sub-area, sorry, two two dash nine sixty three North Pasco R B Resort. And there is a rezoning petition, as you've noted, for MPUD that's been submitted and will be heard after this.

   2:47:06The existing future land use of agricultural rule.

   2:47:12To the proposed showing P D.

   2:47:16This is the conceptual plan for the site.

   2:47:21And the following policies are consistent with the comprehensive plan. Flu 1.6.1 commercial development. Flu 2.15, protection of existing topography, flu 2.1.9, rural lighting standards, flu 2.1.11, rural residential roads, flu 2.113, provision of potable water and sanitary sewer. And it comes with a recommendation for the Board of County Commissioners to find

   2:47:52the amendment consistent with the comprehensive plan and adopt the ordinance by roll call vote.

   StarkeyChair

   2:48:03Okay, it's time for the applicant.

   Unidentified speakerVoice I

   2:48:12Yeah, but they're yeah but

   Barbara Wilhite

   2:48:15Good afternoon. Barbara Low Hyde, sixty three twenty seven, Grand Boulevard, New Port Richey, three four six five two, and I have been sworn.

   2:48:23While the PowerPoint's coming up, let me do a little bit of housekeeping. I have uh given a few things to the clerk's office for this particular item. Everything's already been seen before. Um I have my PowerPoint, which was about to be seen, uh which is a combination of my PowerPoint for this time and my PowerPoint from last time. Also given to the clerk is the transportation analysis that's been reviewed by staff and approved. Francis Chanamorino's resume. Her comp plate analysis, which has previously been provided. Um And also her zoning analysis. And I also have the

   2:48:53DEO comment letters that staff just put in the record, but those are the items that I gave to the clerk for this comprehensive plan amendment hearing. if you would be so kind to receive and file.

   Fitzpatrick

   2:49:04I take a motion to receive and file.

   MarianoVice Chair

   2:49:07Sorry.

   StarkeyChair

   2:49:08All in favor? Aye. Opposed? Thank you.

   Barbara Wilhite

   2:49:13So I have not requested additional time because we've had extensive hearings on this, and so I'm going to run through in in the five minutes that applicants are given, and then I have my full team here for rebuttal. Joe Sibino at WRA, Steve Henry, Linkson Associates, Greg Mayfield, Southern Water, Francis Chandler Moreno, Femme by Design, Brian Nolan, Lucito Associates, Don Ferezzi is not with us, but he did a lot of our uh renderings in graphics.

   2:49:38These are the sub- policies are specific to this project and uh were written for this project. We we did a lot, um, listened a lot. We've been at this for a couple of years. And uh listened, had two neighborhood meetings and I've read every every uh email that's come through over time over this the two years. We provided that the property should not be subdivided. Recreational uses adjacent to Moody Lake are limited to passive only, no motorized vehicles, requirement for cutoff luminaries, landscape and tree preservation buffer

   2:50:08on the western northwestern boundary, a very special uh specific lands lake. AL the quarter buffer which I had gone over is actually in the conditions of approval for the MPUD. And there's language in the suburb policy to guide that. Prohibitions on chain lake fences and opaque walls on Lake Iola Road. Lake Iola Road is a scenic road. So we put special care to exceed the county's requirements for scenic roads. We met them and exceeded them. preservation of existing native vegetation along I seventy five. And we did a

   2:50:39A hundred foot setback for the R V spaces from the existing Lake Idola Road right away, not required by code or your scenic um ro scenic road provisions, but We proposed it and agreed to it. No mining and regulations on grading within slopes of ten percent or greater. Those are all things that are in your implementation of the Northeast Pasco rural area policies in your code that apply to residential development, we had them, took them all and applied them and exceeded them for this development.

   2:51:10I'm going to run through the things that we did after the first public hearing. to answer questions, address concerns, and we and I'll let you s this is over in the MPUD, but I think it's important to see the whole picture. One of the things was we heard in the comments um from from the uh public that we were just going to bait and switch And um we have added that the concept plan that we have shown Throughout. It's a binding concept plan. There is language that allows for

   2:51:40administrative deviations of course because we don't have it engineered yet. but we certainly wanted to have the commitment of what we propose to you is what we'll be doing. And the quality of this resort, you know, will be what we have stated it will be. The other thing is we had been asked to do a master landscape plan, a master plant schedule, and then a master, that's the whole project, and then a RV space landscape plan. All of that is above the code, not required. But it's probably because your code

   2:52:10doesn't have any provisions for RV resorts. So we we made all of those binding as well. That's the master landscape plan. Hard to see at the scale. plant schedule and each space has specific planting and tree requirements.

   2:52:30We came to you last time and talked about the six foot bike shoulder that'll be along our frontage, um starting almost all the way from our frontage to the our southport of our frontage on Lake Iola. And then up off site to Bayhead. And just had questions over time just trying to get the language clarified and to make sure that when we were going to commence that, we're going to commence that with our site work so it'll be in before or when traffic is actually going to come. Something we can't delay, we don't want to delay. My client

   2:53:00is excited about the biking opportunities and for this to be the resort where people come and stay and then participate in biking whether it be just recreationally or or as a part of some um race. And that's a graphic depiction of that where that shoulder is.

   2:53:19Stormwater design. Very specifically wanted to make sure that we are exceeding requirements and being very clear in how we're going to do stormwater. All of our surfaces will be treated as impervious. There are some surfaces that's debatable whether pervious or impervious, but we're going to treat them all as impervious so we have the most conservative stormwater design and that's what this condition says. Splash bad recirculation. Heard that that was a concern, went out to the expert team. and wrote a specific uh requirement

   2:53:50requiring recirculation. Our pools recirculate as you know pools do because they have to be chlorinated. And and the like, and so will our splash pad. One of the things that was questioned was our water treatment plant. Wanted to make sure that's clear it's for our project only. We won't be oversizing it. Nobody else outside of the project will be able to hook up to it. We wrote a condition for that.

   2:54:10The concept of adding the ability to do equestrian oriented facilities, we have added that um somebody had it was suggested by the board, you know, a great a great thing to include, because I didn't have anything that allowed that as a permitted use, so that's been included. Accessory use has been clarified. This is this is what else can we do with along with our RV? And the concept being RVs are RVs and they're not supposed to become permanent residences. And so it's important to say that what we we can't attach

   2:54:40anything permanent to these to the recreational vehicles. So that's what this language is cleaned up. to put it in one condition instead of broken in two and to clean up the language instead of saying included but not n but not limited to because it doesn't really tell you what it is, we've cleaned up that language.

   2:54:58What's also been discussed um or asked about and discussed in the comments that I've seen from the public at all the hearings and and in all their materials was asking about the the six months and Do the RDs have to be removed after the six months? And the answer is yes, unless they go to a storage place on site. The other thing is is is, you know, how are you gonna know and the way I learned about this was uh how would you know is that when I Went to a campground in my R V They

   2:55:29asked for my license plate. They went outside and took a picture of my license plate on my RV and I asked them why. Curious me. And they said, That's the way we keep track of that you left or you came. And so in c instead of names, because I can just use different names between myself and my significant other, they track it by license plate. So we added that kind of clarity to the conditions that that's what's gonna be the expectation here as well. And with that I had one other thing. If you will indulge me for just a few more seconds. One of the things

   2:55:59that I thought about last night, I really worked hard and I know they're not gonna believe that I listened to and read everything that they wrote, other than going away, which w which we don't want to go away. We're excited about this project. One of the things I thought about last night was Could the county make a finding effect in the ordinance when they adopt this, specifically stating why they're approving this in the northeast Pasco rural area. And I had heard staff over time state why they were recommending approval and that's because of its location on the interstate. And I heard Frances Channel Marino

   2:56:30testify to you and I looked in her report. And she's telling you why she found it compatible with North East Pasco because it's located on the interstate. So I thought, as another thing, 'cause I know the I know the residents are worried about precedent, um that if you looked to add this language potentially to your ordinance as a finding of fact that you do here on the record, that then it'll say why you Why you support this and The precedent will be is because of where it's located, because I know they're worried about if we do it here, then somebody else can do it elsewhere in the rural area.

   2:57:00So I gave this language to Terry Pitos. I only thought of this last night, so I'm gonna hand it out to you um for your consideration. I think it would be good for you to do in your ordinance, totally up to you, but um I think Terry thought it was a good idea as well, so let me give it to you.

   StarkeyChair

   2:57:16Is this something we have to move to receive?

   Henry

   2:57:19Yes please.

   StarkeyChair

   2:57:21Well if someone else has to make a motion

   Fitzpatrick

   2:57:23to receive and file or second.

   Oakley

   2:57:25I make the motion. So I'll motion. Second. All in favor? Aye. Aye.

   Barbara Wilhite

   2:57:43So I'll just leave that. Um here we can come back to that after, but I just want to kind of throw that out there. I guess I could read it because I just handed it to you but nobody in the public can see it. So what it says is this would be a if this is what you wanted to do in your ordinance adopting this comp point amendment. You'd add this was a finding of fact directed by the board. The board uh excuse me, the proposed commercial recreational use is compatible along a major interstate corridor, I-75, a six-lane divide of the interstate highway, that carries an average of approximately six forty-eight

   2:58:14thousand five hundred vehicles daily. and has access to this facility from the I-75 Blanton Road Interchange, which is located approximately one mile north of the property. So We can s come back and talk about that and your county attorney can look at it. But um with that I'm just gonna reserve for a rebuttal and answer any questions or uh anything that comes up from the public. Thank you.

   StarkeyChair

   2:58:36Okay. So um do we have anyone signed up to speak to this?

   Barbara Wilhite

   2:58:40Yeah,

   Moore

   2:58:40exactly.

   StarkeyChair

   2:58:41So we have um four people signed up to speak to item P fifty-four and we have who have also signed up to speak on P fifty nine. And we have others that are signed up to sign on uh to to talk on P fifty nine. So I just wanna make sure that those that signed up for P fifty nine know that I've got them down to talk on P fifty nine, but I'm only gonna call the ones that signed up for P fifty four.

   StarkeyChair

   2:59:05Um and um County Attorney, could you um articulate the distinction between one and the other?

   Unidentified speakerVoice A

   2:59:11So the the hearing that we are currently in now is the future land use map amendment with sub area policies for the comprehensive plan. It's the comprehensive plan side of this project. The the fifty-nine when it is taken up is the MPUD rezoning for the same piece of property. Comprehensive plan has to be amended before you can take up the rezoning. Is that what you were looking for?

   StarkeyChair

   2:59:41Yes. Okay. So um what what are the rules for signing up to speak to either one? They can sign up to speak to each one?

   Unidentified speakerVoice A

   2:59:49They they have under your procedural rules they have three minutes to talk about each item. So if they signed up for if they signed up for fifty-four, they have three minutes that they can talk about the comprehensive plan. When the that is concluded And the rezoning hearing starts, they've got it they've got three minutes that they can talk about the rezoning.

   StarkeyChair

   3:00:12Okay, so one is the comp plan and one is the rezoning. So if you're speaking On the first one let's talk about the comprehensive plan. Maybe and then the second one rezoning. And let us go.

   Unidentified speakerVoice J

   3:00:27All right, so I will call the ones that sign up for item P fifty four.

   StarkeyChair

   3:00:31Those um are Lisa Moretti. Followed by Nancy Hazlewood, followed by Alma Coston, followed by Margaret Woods, and then David Morgan.

   3:00:44So yes. And if you could state your name and address for the record and whether or not you've been sworn. Sure.

   Lisa Moretti

   3:00:50My name is Lisa Moretti. I live at [address removed]. And uh I've been sworn and I swear like a sailor. Okay. Okay. Uh I do have documents that I would like to submit into the record. Motion to receive

   Fitzpatrick

   3:01:06and file.

   Jim Pavick

   3:01:07Sorry.

   Lisa Moretti

   3:01:08All in favor? Aye.

   Unidentified speakerVoice K

   3:01:10Thank you.

   Lisa Moretti

   3:01:16I want to start off by saying that I'm a resident of the rural area and I'm affected by this development. It will greatly impact my life and the life of those in our community. This project is incompatible with our community and it will dramatically change our way of life. Uh I gave you quite a bit of information. I'm just going to quickly summarize. I hope you'll read my written commentary. for you um because it's very detailed. And it would be hours if I went through all of it. So We've made a good faith effort

   3:01:46not only in 2019 but most recently with the assistance of Commissioner Fitzpatrick to sit down with the developer. uh and his attorney to find potential compromise. At both times the developer and Ms. Wilhide have chosen not to meet with us or consider our input other than what has been just sort of put into the public record. We didn't reach out directly because, frankly, we didn't trust having a meeting without one of you there and present. Instead, uh we have the developer's attorney writing a a

   3:02:16new ordinance for a large scale amendment to the comprehensive plan to Map 215, Sheet 7. But the developer, his attorney, and their planning consultant, I don't think have met the legal requirements, all of the legal requirements is defined in the Land Development Code to make such changes. I'm providing you in the written comments that The language from our own future land use policy as well as the Florida statutes that demonstrate for you that this is a major comprehensive plan amendment that is not compatible nor consistent. It

   3:02:46is required that all of the conditions be met. And in fact, there's a good chance in passing that you're doing something that is not compliant. You've received emails over the last two months Because we received them too at no Saint Joe RVpark dot com. Um and I brought them with me. You already have them, so I'm not going to submit them into the record. These are the ones in the last three days. These are both sides of the page from the last month and a half. We've actually been writing to you for three years.

   3:03:17As well you have the testimony and appearance here today from multiple residents. And I would be happy to supply Ms. Snyder with the transcript of people that signed petitions at our stores and meetings. I hope you'll take the time to read my comments. It's important that you see the will of the community. This amendment will not benefit the rural area economically, culturally, or in any other way. It will endanger our visitors, our wildlife, our water supply, our property values, and our community lifestyle. You're forcing

   3:03:48longtime residents out who came here for a rural life, all to please an out-of-town developer who won't be sticking around, doesn't work in the community, doesn't care about the rural area, he only cares about one thing, and that's his investment and his money. So we built a community. I ask that you don't let him tear it down. I urge you to deny this comprehensive plan amendment change. Thank you. Thank you.

   Unidentified speakerVoice J

   3:04:11Okay. Nancy Hazelwood?

   StarkeyChair

   3:04:15No you uh No. You cannot clap in here. This'll be the the only warning that I give you, okay? Um you you can't react in here, sorry. Thank you.

   Nancy Hazelwood

   3:04:25NC Hayswood [address removed]. State whether or not you've been sworn, ma'am. Sworn. Okay. Thank

   StarkeyChair

   3:04:34you.

   Nancy Hazelwood

   3:04:36Has asked me to submit her written comments because of health issues. She cannot make it. She lives within a thousand feet of the RV application. She does not want this RV park here in the rural area and has brought up issues that I have here to give you. And she has asked you to deny the project. Um file and see. What is motion to receive and file? Ah, thank you. And

   StarkeyChair

   3:05:05these seconds. All in favor? Aye. Okay. Just set them down so you're not using up your time. And then

   Unidentified speakerVoice L

   3:05:12you can do that.

   Nancy Hazelwood

   3:05:16Okay, so I am here to ask you to deny it. I know Barbara's been trying, but this thing just does not fit in the roll here. It's gonna stick out like a sore thumb. Uh I s the I seventy five reason for an R V park just doesn't make sense. And um as I've worked I participated from right From the beginning in the rural area plan. We would have never agreed to the rural area plan if we had said, hey,

   3:05:46right through the middle of the plan we're gonna have high density because you get an interstate. Nobody told us that. So the only place that should be is the E C, the employment center. And we the We the people of the area wouldn't I like I said not agreed to this. And we hope that I seventy five does not um encourage more. So um up

   3:06:17on the this thing I have something else for you to follow and receive. I'm c very concerned um about

   StarkeyChair

   3:06:26you have to speak at the mic, I'm so sorry. Otherwise we can't take it up.

   StarkeyChair

   3:06:30Why isn't someone help her?

   3:06:33There you go. And I need a motion? Motion to receive and

   Fitzpatrick

   3:06:36file.

   Nancy Hazelwood

   3:06:37Okay. Up here you

   StarkeyChair

   3:06:38I need a second. A second. All in favor? Aye? Aye. What is this?

   Nancy Hazelwood

   3:06:44Up here you have a map, and that's the map of the Interstate Blanton Exit and Lake Iola Road and uh I n I know they're doing this shouldered down in front of the place, but this is extremely dangerous. Two people have already died cyclists because this is the area where the cyclists go through. And they're they go down Lake Iola Road and they go down Blanton Road. So you're gonna have

   3:07:14these RVs come out the exit of 75. They're gonna be looking at their GPS, they're gonna try to be finding where they're front where they're going. And you're gonna have cyclists going through there at the same time. They're there every week. Uh one other issue is for some reason there's a building that's fifty-five foot height on this plan. Your regular comp plan says that it should be uh thirty-five. When we were doing the

   3:07:45uh Um near at for commercial. We had looked at buildings in the northeast rural area plan said they could only be two feet unless they had a steeple or something along that line. So I would ask you to amend that building Down to something that would fit in the Northeast Rural area plan. Thank you all very much.

   3:08:11Thank you. Did that get to the three?

   Preston Baker

   3:08:13Alma Costin? Okay. What was this one in that one? I know it's the intersection. Is that what you wanted us to say? That's where the project's located. Okay, but what's that dot right there? I just think it's the intersection Belanton and seventy nine. Yeah. And then the exit the entrance is down here. Yeah,

   Unidentified speakerVoice L

   3:08:32I don't know. Hi. My name is Alma Coston. I live at [address removed]. And ma'am, have you been sworn? Yes I have. Thank you. Okay. I have three critical points to make. The number of the R Vs is way too high for the area. There is this is a rural area. The Interstate 75 exit where the RVs will have to travel north and south is substandard and

   3:09:02is one of the most Dangerous on the entire Florida interstate system. On the interstate. With a speed limit of 70 miles per hour, which is normally slow. You're if you're driving sl 70 miles an hour, you're the slowest person on the interstate. It's impossible to exit. The interstate itself You have to decrease your vehicle speed to sift sixty miles an hour on the interstate. to be able to make this exit. And once you get on the exit,

   3:09:33you have to go down to forty miles an hour And until you get to Blanton Road. And this is a hundred and eighty degree curve. So I if you have a car and a vehicle on it You don't have that much of a room to get your R V in your vehicle and then you have to stop on Blanton Road and it has to come to a complete stop before you can make a left turn.

   3:09:58The height of the center complex of the RB Park Park would exceed all northeast Pasco rural protection.

   Unidentified speakerVoice M

   3:10:07How about I?

   Unidentified speakerVoice L

   3:10:09What? Is that your phone? No. No. It's this.

   Unidentified speakerVoice J

   3:10:14Okay.

   Unidentified speakerVoice L

   3:10:14The height of the center complex of the RV park would exclude would exclude all of Northeast Pasco Rural Protection Area Heights. The present city of Dade City doesn't have heights of more than two stories. So you want to have a fifty five foot Center. Where Bay City itself doesn't have but thirty five feet. The R V the number of the five hundred and fifty should be cut in half. And not approved

   3:10:45until the interstate system is approved and is already in place before the RB park should start to be built, and it should be cut in half.

   3:10:56Thank you. Thank you.

   Oakley

   3:10:59Next Margaret Woods.

   Margaret Woods

   3:11:13Good afternoon. I'm Margaret Woods. I live at [address removed]. I'd like to preface my objection to the RV park with a fundamental issue first, and that is that Mr. Oakley has not recused himself even though there appears to be a conflict of interest on his part with regard to this property and with the project itself. Property was owned and sold by his sister. He's been actively involved in promoting this RV park from the very beginning. Even at the neighborhood

   3:11:43meeting he was there promoting the RV park. So in the appearance of impartiality, ethics, and transparency, I believe that mister Oakley should recuse himself from both discussion and voting on this matter. My second objection is that no one seems to be able to come up with whether this is residential or commercial. If residential, it doesn't fit into the ordinances that were set for NERPA. If it's commercial, there are no final ordinances because unfortunately NIRAC was disbanded

   3:12:15basically because it wasn't fulfilling maybe what Mr. Oakley hoped it would. And at those NIRAC meetings in the public comments, no one was allowed to even bring up the R V park even though it was considered a commercial venture. We were told in the public comments, but we're not going to talk about that right now. My next thing is the applicant must meet the standards of F L U A1 for a comprehensive plan amendment. That section details the standards of review and specifically when it

   3:12:45comes to increasing density um in the defined and protected rural area. Under that statement in the code, it says that the applicant must demonstrate need and compatibility. under the demonstration of need, the applicant should be able to demonstrate that The additional lands are required to accommodate the population, housing, and employment needs of the county over the horizon of the comprehensive plan. Well I don't see that an R V park fits that specific uh d demonstration

   3:13:16of need. And under compatibility Um an applicant shall demonstrate that the proposed amendment shall create and or provide an appropriate transition of land use adjacent to existing rural residential development within either the Northeast Pasco County Rural Area or the Rural Character Area. An applicant shall demonstrate how the proposed amendment shall protect existing rural neighborhoods consistent with FLU 2.1.7 or FLU 2.3.3

   3:13:46as applicable. An applicant shall perform a soil suitability analysis and shall demonstrate that the soils can support the proposed amendment. And under the third thing, under This is contiguity to existing urban development patterns. An applicant shall demonstrate that the proposed development is contiguous to existing urban patterns of development. and one should note that the interstate does not qualify as urban development. It is an

   3:14:16interstate that runs through the rural area and other areas like the Everglades and areas preserved and protected by local, county, and state entities. The protected rural area is no different. Thank you very much. Can I turn this in to them since I didn't mail my letter in?

   StarkeyChair

   3:14:34Um motion. Accept the motion.

   Margaret Woods

   3:14:37Second.

   Mary Lou Fazio

   3:14:37Second.

   StarkeyChair

   3:14:38All in favor? Aye. Thank you.

   StarkeyChair

   3:14:42Right. Uh David Morgan. Now Mr. Morgan is the last one that I have actually signed up and there is no one on WebEx for this item. Okay, thank you.

   David Morgan

   3:14:52Down.

   Unidentified speakerVoice N

   3:14:58Hello, I'm David Morgan. I live at [address removed]. And rather than read this, I'd like to submit it and turn it in for you to look at.

   MarianoVice Chair

   3:15:09What's the receiver part? Second.

   StarkeyChair

   3:15:11All in favor? Aye.

   Unidentified speakerVoice N

   3:15:15Thank you.

   StarkeyChair

   3:15:17Wait, well, okay.

   Debbie Morgan

   3:15:21Okay. I I'm new to this. I have you been sworn? Yes, ma'am. I have my name is Debbie Morgan. I live at [address removed] as well. I'm new to this. The only thing I do want to get across there's some points here as he's passed along this what this is.

   Madam Chair

   3:15:39Okay.

   Debbie Morgan

   3:15:40And basically I've lived in the area myself, ma'am. Sir. for ten years. My husband had purchased this property twenty five years ago. Every day. I I sit at my table and and I I view the area. and on the weekends it is a biker's dream. And there's bikers From six o'clock in the morning until six PM in the evening. We watch the spikers go through. And to bring in an R V part of

   3:16:10this magnitude Where we are located at It's just absolutely i it's it's gonna be a fatality. Uh they don't have bike lanes as it is out there. So now we wanna we wanna flood the area with more R Ds and as the previous speaker spoke When you get off that interstate, it is a very very treacherous curve as you're going around. I myself witnessed Two accidents on when

   3:16:40was it on April 22nd we watched two accidents Um within a three hour period of range and on the last one they uh the air airbags deployed on on 'em. It's just a it's a very, very sharp curve there. It's all rural and residential out there. It no one I'm not saying it wasn't a good idea. It's just not a good idea for Lake Iowa. And for the general area and for everyone that's lived out there. You know, it's I

   3:17:11came from the city. So when I came here, it was a drastic adjustment for me. It was quiet and there was nothing. And I wasn't used to that. I was used to, you know, motion kids, this, that. So when I came it was it was shocking to me. And now that I've lived it for the last ten years? I couldn't imagine it being any other way than what it is today. Thank you.

   Unidentified speakerVoice N

   3:17:38Those accidents happen at uh Lake Owler Road and Blanton Road. Two accidents in one day, both very serious. Serious accidents. RVs are gonna compound that problem. I'm confident. But there'll be a fatality within a year if this is allowed to go on.

   StarkeyChair

   3:17:57I I don't I'm not sure how we do two people at the mic at one time.

   Unidentified speakerVoice A

   3:18:00Go ahead and

   3:18:01do that.

   3:18:01We're both on the same three.

   StarkeyChair

   3:18:02All right. All right. Okay. That was about open. Okay. Um if is that it for signed up? Signed up in the right. Okay, if anyone else wishes to speak to this, please uh line up. I see one. And then um line up behind Let's see. This lady sends us a lot of stuff by email, so I should y know your name.

   3:18:26Come on up to the mic and then line up behind her if whoever else is in the room that wishes to speak. And remember we're on the comprehensive plan and then we're gonna have the rezoning.

   Unidentified speakerVoice K

   3:18:37Chairwoman Starkey, I didn't send anything except to uh Shelby. I need your name and address for

   Oakley

   3:18:42the record.

   Unidentified speakerVoice K

   3:18:43Yes, uh Kathy or Catherine. Lambert, [address removed]. Because I can't see very well, could you please raise your hand if you're keeping my time and let me know if one minute or two minutes you go

   Unidentified speakerVoice A

   3:18:56right in front of you, miss, the bell will go up.

   Unidentified speakerVoice K

   3:18:59Oh I see. Yeah. That that digital readout tells you how much you have left. Yep. So they're actually counting the time that it takes to say your name. It's

   StarkeyChair

   3:19:08counting down. Yes.

   Unidentified speakerVoice K

   3:19:09Uh I just wanna uh say I live in this incorporated municipality. But I've seen the this road the roads and around Lake Iola and Lake Moody, all the way to you know, the Brooksville Highway 50 area, Spring Lake Highway, the lady was from Spring Lake Highway that spoke. I I just want to tell you, this is Commissioner Oakley's District and Commissioner Oakley is at the age now when he must

   3:19:39be thinking about his legacy. And the Comp Plan, which was written probably around 1989, 1990, but not approved until much later. in the early two thousands. When Ted Schrader took on the task of protecting the Northeast rural area, he was made out to be a big hero. And on when Commissioner Oakley took over Ted Schrader's seat, I thought, well no use coming to the meetings anymore because they're gonna undo everything Ted did. And I don't want to hurt

   3:20:09your feelings any, but I don't want to hurt Ted's either, but Ted Ted is selling his orange growths too to developers. But the difference is Schrader's growths are on the south side of Highway 52. They don't qualify as part of that comprehensive plan, Northeast Pasco protection uh area. So the area you're speaking of to redo

   3:20:34Yeah. is definitely part of the Northeast Rural Protection Area. Another thing that Commissioner Oakley has presented. Ma'am,

   StarkeyChair

   3:20:42I'm gonna um remind you and maybe I think you were here this morning that none of your comments can be directed at any one Commissioner. Please.

   Unidentified speakerVoice K

   3:20:49I I wasn't here this morning, ma'am.

   StarkeyChair

   3:20:51Okay. So so I will just remind it and uh don't take the

   Unidentified speakerVoice K

   3:20:55time from

   StarkeyChair

   3:20:56the comments. Please do not direct any of your comments at any one commissioner.

   Unidentified speakerVoice K

   3:21:01Well this here is for For Commissioner Oakley is my email address because I did not email any of you individually or as a group, I just made a couple of emails to planning people to get information from them. So Commissioner Oakley had this great idea about revitalizing Lacucci. I tried. I'm I'm speaking about him, not to him. Okay. And revitalizing Le Coochie or Lacouche as we like to say is a great idea. And this RV

   3:21:32park would be perfect. for the Lacoochie area because the With Lacouchee River and the Green Swamp West part of the state of Florida trail is a great place for recreation and sports. Hiking, kayaking, canoeing, they're all sports. So may I present my email address to Commissioner Oakley or for someone to hand it to him so that he will have it in case he wants to reform that committee uh

   3:22:02that he disbanded, I would be interested in serving because I like to feel that I am a fair person. May I give my email address uh

   StarkeyChair

   3:22:13written? Okay, uh hand it to the clerk and I'll take a motion.

   Unidentified speakerVoice A

   3:22:16It doesn't have to be part

   StarkeyChair

   3:22:17of the

   Unidentified speakerVoice A

   3:22:18record. She wants to be a question.

   StarkeyChair

   3:22:19Okay, just hand it to the clerk, and the clerk can give it to Commissioner Oakley. Thank Thank you. Okay. Um are you done? Thank you. All right, so I'm gonna remind everybody and we don't wanna have to kick you off the mic. So today's um We request that when you address the board, comments are not directed personally against a commissioner or team member. but rather directed at the issues. This provides mutual respect between Board Members and the public. Thank you.

   Glenoran

   3:22:45Name and act. Hi Commissioners. My name is Glenoran F and I'm a I live on at [address removed]. I have not been sworn in, so I promise to tell the truth. No, this is not a rezoning. For the comp for the club plan we don't need it, but for the next one we will. Oh, okay. If you do. Um I wanted to say that I think This is a this is a good plan, it's just in the wrong place. I am so proud of our commissioners when they s um set

   3:23:15aside Um When they did the northeast. uh rural protection plan overlay. When we moved here and we saw that we said my gosh this is a county for us because they know what they want in their county. And they want a rural space and that's it was our thing. So I hope that you want to that you will stand by that. This particular um

   3:23:42R. V. Park. has so many small little residents, they when the Win State Park they become a little resident. residents and they will travel our roads. They'll bring in a second vehicle they will use that back and forth to get to the different um shops and facilities that that I go to and I know it takes me twenty minutes to go anywhere. So what we've got is we've got a lot of cars on the road. We've got a big carbon footprint for

   3:24:12our county that doesn't need to be there. It can be put Anywhere along 75, but not in I'm sorry, not in the rural protection plan. So I hope that you will refuse to put it where it is and put it someplace else in the county. Thank you.

   Unidentified speakerVoice O

   3:24:33Hi.

   Unidentified speakerVoice P

   3:24:35Jill Yelverton, [address removed]. I just wanted to say that I really uh uh applauded what um Ms. Woods had to say in her comments. I thought that they were all very appropriate in particular about um there being a conflict of interest on the board. Uh you can't have a blood relative cell problem. We'll address that for something. And also it's very interesting that uh someone who used to be the county attorney

   3:25:05at the time our comprehensive plan was adopted and the same group of people who helped write the comprehensive plan are now making a proposal you know how to untie knots that you knotted to begin with and that's, you know, kind of unfair. Thank you. Next.

   Jim Pavick

   3:25:29Good afternoon. My name is Jim Pavick. I live at [address removed] on the north side of Lake Iola. I've lived in Florida fifty years. I'm a very I'm big into cycling. I've logged in 300,000 miles in the last fifty years in ten countries, so I'm concerned about the cyclist. First of all, I would like can I thank somebody here? Can I mention a name? Of a commissioner? Nothing derogatory.

   3:25:57One of the Commissioner Oakley. went out of his way to help me get signs put up on many roads to keep the cyclist safer. I just wanted to mention that. And I also wanted to know is Tina Russo M Commissioner Starkey, you know her, right? Of course. Okay, is she involved? She has she have any input into anything that's going on in this project. Okay, she is. Okay, that's all I've got to say. Thank you.

   Unidentified speakerVoice B

   3:26:21Okay, thank you.

   3:26:26Hello Commissioners and I'm Jimmy Lyons. I live inside of the Northeast Regional Uh Pasco area and uh I just wanted to thank you for allowing me to and reaffirm our First Amendment free speech rights. I want to give preface why I came up here from Tampa. It's very much like where I grew up in Mobile, Alabama. There's an area called Spring Hill College. It's very hilly. And this area is a similar way. And Dr. Martin Luther King wrote a very important paper called Letter from the Birmingham Jail. He talked about Spring Hill and how he wanted everyone, every

   3:26:56kind of person to be represented in government and to be no discrimination. So when I came here That's what I loved about here. Now, in saying that, I don't want to steal his thunder, but in my dream county, I've had dreams about this. Public officials must recuse from any zoning change involving their immediate family, kids, sisters, parents, or recruit any future buyers and assure them that they will get their specific zoning once it's approved by the board. Public officials cannot meet

   3:27:26with developers regarding their private land. And I'm saying in my Dream County, I'm not accusing anyone of anything right now. But they can't promise them as owning, sell it, and then claim hands off because they no longer own the land. That's in my dream county. Public officials cannot have perfunctory meetings in my Dream County with nearby residents, dismiss it as a as dismiss it and just as of the proposed development, just dismiss them and intimate it is a done deal. The public must be served.

   3:27:57In my Dream County, developers are not allowed to offer people free landscaping or any type of remuneration for their approval. That can't be done. In a free county, it cannot be done to get their approval or extract their desired zoning. That should be a crime. In my Dream County, public officials are not allowed to show up at an unveiling of a new subdivision before it is even approved and act as a cheerleader. That should not be allowed in my dream county. County business owners are not threatened by

   3:28:27goons that show up, threaten their business, and do not even want them to sell business that certain people are selling in competition. In my Dream County, public notices of board meetings are put on the homepage of the county website. It's almost impossible to find where it's at. I've gone through this, it's ridiculous. No commissioner can say no one cares about a zoning. And I heard this from different counties that when they don't show up for these meetings at 1:15 in the morning, I mean in the afternoon, they might as well put them at 1:15

   3:28:58in the morning because if they have them in the early evening, people will show up. People are showing up for this specific thing. So in my Dream County, public officials should respectfully listen to all citizens, exactly the same way that they listen to developers and people that come up here, the attorneys, etc. My dream is the county has a public charter in which commissioners are voted on only by their constituents in their specific count counties with no R and D on their name, because that's not democracy. And so the only other thing I would say

   3:29:28is in my dream county, citizens have the right to uh To talk to their commissioners. Is that it? I guess I'm cut off.

   3:29:40No, you you legally have to give your address. Okay. [address removed]. We've had people threatened. [address removed]. Uh people have been threatened. Thank you. Thank you. Okay.

   Unidentified speakerVoice I

   3:29:55I'm Carl Wright. I live at [address removed] and I had originally and I've been sworn, not that it matters, I guess. I was originally intending to talk on the next on fifty-nine, but I think what I have to say is more appropriate to this. Many years ago, in giving a speech, an honest politician used the phrase government of the people, by the people, for the people. He was describing government that existed for the benefit of the governed. I

   3:30:27am left wondering what has happened to Mr. Lincoln's ideals. I, like many others here, purchased property and made my home in East Pasco because of an implied promise in the East Pasco overlay. East Pasco has not been trashed by over development, nor covered with pavement. There isn't a fast food outlet, a bank, or a pharmacy on every corner because previous county commissioners recognized the wants and needs of the people who lived in the area.

   3:30:58We are not here today to witness governmental actions for the people. We are here because the greed of a few has been given precedence over the desires of the many. Whatever happened to true representative government Too many people are under the impression that it is mostly corrupt and largely influenced by backroom promises and deals. With all due respect, Shame on any elected politician who puts personal and family

   3:31:28interests over the wishes of the people that politician supposedly represents.

   StarkeyChair

   3:31:35I think we've asked you not to direct any.

   3:31:39Your time is up. Nope. Your time is up. No. Well we've asked them not they're

   Oakley

   3:31:44just by the finish.

   StarkeyChair

   3:31:45All right, finished.

   Oakley

   3:31:46Where's the body with the

   StarkeyChair

   3:31:47sorry everybody. Go ahead.

   Unidentified speakerVoice I

   3:31:52You've already taken some of it.

   Unidentified speakerVoice Q

   3:31:54Take the runs.

   Unidentified speakerVoice I

   3:31:56Nobody sitting at that table today can honestly say that the majority of their constituents want this project. Many of those living in Hudson, Port Richey, New Port Richey, or Orlando Lakes are even aware of it, nor that they have any burning desire for its approval. And I, and the vast majority of those in the audience living in f in and familiar with the area, know that the water resources, the roads, and the exits off the highway are not suitable for this type of a development

   3:32:27and the added pollution it will bring. and I, in the same majority in the audience, as well as

   3:32:35probably every elected member of the County Commission about to vote to approve this change, We've just spoken. We out here suspect that we wouldn't even be here. Uh today if one of you lived out in that area. So I guess the question is this. Does the County Commission stand for government of the people, by the people, for the people, or does it stand for government of special interests? Um by

   3:33:06the special interests and most importantly for the special interests and for the record. Please understand that I am a resident of the rural area and I am affected by this development. It will greatly impact my life in this community. The project is compatible with our community and will dramatically change our way of life. And if I have offended anybody up there, I apologize, but I was speaking my mind.

   StarkeyChair

   3:33:31Thank you. This will be our last speaker. Thank you very much.

   Wesley Benzard

   3:33:34Hi, my name is Wesley Benzard. I live in [address removed].

   Unidentified speakerVoice M

   3:33:42Okay,

   Wesley Benzard

   3:33:42yeah.

   3:33:44You know uh a while ago uh I assumed I was the the owner of that uh development. He contacted me somehow and uh asked me if I will sign if I will be agree for for this development and I asked him uh what will be my uh benefit from this and he said he fix the lake. I assume that you are uh uh I mean you know what is uh

   3:34:14what the situation is with that lake. And uh I asked him how much you can invest to fix the lake. He said four thousand dollars. I said what? I said, oh I'll invest four thousand dollars to fix that lake. That will be in your benefit. I contact the company to to come to uh give me our number for fixing that lake is forty thousand. Uh if this uh developer wants to make

   3:34:45this kind of benefit to us, we're against him. More than that, we we uh think that uh the area is not prepared for Uh I mean four hundred or some so h how many places of R V? Uh Because of that I think that's no benefit there. I propose him another idea. uh to share shares with everybody around. and everybody will have some benefits from

   3:35:15there. uh because you know everybody's looking for his uh good, for his profit. Uh nobody uh will have any benefits from there. I mean people that lives around there and I propose him to come. I I'm a businessman too. And I said, Why why you don't uh, you know, share your shares? Or at least uh he said he will have a restaurant there. What or at least, you know, Uh give the the opportunity to people that lives there

   3:35:46around to use your restaurant Uh he said yes, but I said no no no d don't don't don't be so fast. For free. Well he said, Oh no, that's too much. Uh if you are looking for your benefits, you have to look around because your your goods or your benefits stops there or is bad for somebody else. I if s for somebody else it's bad then you have to stop there. If you have conscience, if you are a

   3:36:16good man. If not, then go home. Thank you.

   StarkeyChair

   3:36:21No clapping, thank you. All right. This will be our very last speaker. And um we have no one on um Webbex, so we'll be going to rebuttal. Thank you.

   Mary Mcknight

   3:36:31Hi, my name is Mary McKnight, [address removed]. Um I just want to say one thing that I know y'all your comprehensive plan is coming up to be written. And I know what a task that is. uh when it was written many years ago uh the stakeholders took a lot of time and effort to figure out what they wanted to Pasco County to look like, what it envisioned it to be. In the future. And they set a

   3:37:01limited. for this property and all the properties. And Many years ago their vision was that this should be a rural Uh parcel, uh agriculture or whatever it is. Um And so I just it seems strange to me that they Developers come and expect you to change your plan. the work plan you worked so hard for to meet their needs. I mean I understand that people can

   3:37:31sell their own property. I think they have a right to people have a right to build whatever they uh want to build within the uh designations of zoning and future land use at time of purchase. But I want you to give careful consideration to the overall vision and the comprehensive plan that they worked so hard to design many years ago. Thank you.

   StarkeyChair

   3:37:55Thank you. All right, um so we'll take Rebuttal? Now

   Barbara Wilhite

   3:38:10Barbara Wilheit, uh, for the applicant, um, before Francis Channel Marino comes up here and and addresses some of the Northeast Pasco rural area. Um and and reminds you that we're this is a density. We do not have any dwelling units, we are prohibited from having any dwelling units on this property. And so a lot of the things you heard deal with density and policies about density. But um Francis Chemon Reno can go over that. The whole fifty five foot high building. The intent was to make sure we could have a building two stories.

   3:38:41So if it's less confusing to say our maximum building height will be two stories. We're happy to make that change, which is really an M P U D issue, but I just wanted to bring that up that w It's just when we ask engineers w what's that supposed to be, maximum two stories, they say, put in fifty five feet so I Put down fifty five feet. So but we're happy to make that maximum two stories. Um With regard to the Lake Iola Blanton intersection, uh that was evaluated by your staff, Venkat from your traff from traffic operations, and I think he's either here or on

   3:39:11the line. So you may wanna if you wanna talk more about that. Um the county did that a analysis of that intersection actually at the request of Commissioner Oakley. So Um but let me have Francis come up and then we'll come back and see what's left to to talk about. Thanks.

   Frances Chandler Marino

   3:39:33Thank you. Good afternoon. My name is Frances Chandler Marino. One two three nine Fruit Cove Road North Saint John's, Florida. A couple of things that I want to address relate to my finding particularly was that the application as it was submitted was consistent with the comprehensive plan that's been adopted today. And the reason

   StarkeyChair

   3:40:00make comments from the gallery. Thank you.

   Frances Chandler Marino

   3:40:02The reason that I made that determination gets to the heart of what constitute rural, not in our minds, but under the comprehensive plan. And the comprehensive plan was very clear about it how it crafted the idea of what the county would accept. and look at in the rural area. As we might remember, our focus back in the middle of the 2000s was on limiting suburban sprawl.

   3:40:33and particularly in limiting residential density in an increased way. So this idea of commercial uses was not dealt with as maybe clearly as we would have liked it to be in the plan. And that's certainly something that you can do if you're going to amend the plan. But what I have now to look at is the plan as it's crafted. And as it's crafted, there's some very clear things about this. Number one, the comprehensive plan does define in the definition

   3:41:03section in the glossary that RV parks are to be considered commercial. They are not to be considered residential uses and therefore there is no density attached to this use.

   3:41:17The second thing is that the policy 2.1.8 that speaks to commercial design standards is a standard who is applicable to the county. not to a developer or an applicant. And that policy requires the county to amend its land development code to include some standards for commercial design.

   StarkeyChair

   3:41:41Does she have more time or is she done or In my bottle.

   Unidentified speakerVoice A

   3:41:49Yes, they can. I move it is it uh how much how much more time do you need?

   Frances Chandler Marino

   3:41:54Uh there were just the three things that were brought up that I was going to address. The one mm, I would say like three or four minutes, probably not even that, but

   Unidentified speakerVoice A

   3:42:03the commissioner wishes to make a motion to extend her. There was a motion I didn't hear a

   Frances Chandler Marino

   3:42:06second.

   Unidentified speakerVoice A

   3:42:07I don't know how much time they had left on remote.

   StarkeyChair

   3:42:09She said three

   MarianoVice Chair

   3:42:16Yeah, I think they cut the presentation down to leave extra time for rebuttal. So I don't know what that is.

   StarkeyChair

   3:42:22I I don't know what it is either. Um but there was a motion to extend your time. Second, second And discussion. All in favor? Aye. Aye. Okay, and I'll get that then.

   Frances Chandler Marino

   3:42:34Go ahead, Francis. The the policy that related to the commercial design standards, its obligation fell on the county to execute, not onto an applicant or a developer. And there's nothing in that policy that provides any limitation on commercial uses or their design in the absence of the county amending land development code. So the county would have to amend the land development code and then an applicant would have to comply with that. So that did not factor into the can uh a consistency determination. In

   3:43:04the alternative, this applicant actually applied the very restrictive residential standards, which normally a commercial standards would not be as restrictive as those. So in an in an effort to um meet the standards and the obligations of um addressing topography and lighting and other things, they actually met the residential standards in the Land Development Code, which were very restrictive, and they exceeded them in some cases. And finally, the notion that an RV park

   3:43:34is an urban use. We talked about this last time. It is not an urban use. It is an outdoor commercial recreation use, and often found in rural areas, particularly next to parks, state parks, other kinds of parks. So that would be a typical use for it. The use itself is definitely compatible. in a rural area based on my findings. The question that I had was relative to the number of units that were going to be allowed, the number of

   3:44:04RVs that would be allowed to be parked there. And that's where the factor of The amount of cars, the 48,500 cars that were traveling past it every day and its proximity to the interchange helped me make the determination about the number of uses being compatible. So the use itself, it's a rural use. The question about compatibility had to do with intensity in this case, which is the number of units, and that intensity determination was based on its location. and proximity to the interchange.

   3:44:36Okay. Thank you.

   StarkeyChair

   3:44:37Okay, any questions for Francis? Okay.

   MarianoVice Chair

   3:44:41Madam Chair. Yep. I don't know if it's as much as a question. Maybe there's a question in there. Um a comment. So I I obviously did some of my as I always do, some of my own research and due diligence on this matter. Um Full disclosure, I I have a motorhome. I have an R B. I know a lot of people out here do. My family and I um Like to travel to state parks, national parks and That'll be Gone pretty far in the past in it, you know, north and up the um

   3:45:11eastern seaboard a little bit. So when I think about rural areas, I think about our state parks, I think about our national parks, I think about our county parks as well. In this in the state park system, in this doing my research, national I'm sorry, I won't talk about state parks now. The National Park Service, there's 130 separate campgrounds. Some of those camp, there might be multiple campgrounds. There are multiple campgrounds in places, say, like Yellowstone

   3:45:41National Park, for example. There's multiple campgrounds within that. So we're talking about the most rural, some of the most environmentally sensitive areas In the world. And you can't dispute that 'cause they are some of the most environmentally sensitive places in the world. Um locally Rainbow Springs State Park, Alifaya River State Park, Hillsborough River State Park, Um Lake Manatee State Park, Lake Kissimmee State Park, we also have some county parks. Turtle

   3:46:13Beach for example which is in uh Sarasota County Attorney County Park that has a campground actually that abuts the beach. Um so when I think a rule To me personally. Campgrounds are rule. RV parks tend to be in rural areas. So I guess maybe my question for you is doing your research and doing your own due diligence on this matter, um, typically In let's use national parks, for example. You may not be able to answer this. I may have you on the hook a

   3:46:43little bit here. But um in a national park, for example, a large national park like a Yosemite or a a a Yellowstone National Park, Everglades National Park has some campgrounds as well. Um typically do do you know how many units are within those campgrounds as a whole?

   Frances Chandler Marino

   3:46:58I do not know.

   MarianoVice Chair

   3:46:59Okay. Okay. Alright, just curious. I've got some numbers, but

   3:47:07Yeah, uh so you brought that up, so I thought I would I was gonna bring that up later, but I I personally that's me. I mean I think I think campground's a rule.

   StarkeyChair

   3:47:17I

   Fitzpatrick

   3:47:19Commissioner Fitzpatrick. And what would you say the average length of time that someone goes to a campground for?

   MarianoVice Chair

   3:47:25Well it that varies. I mean I per you're asking me this question. Yeah, it's just curious. I mean I we go to different ones and I've gone to different ones throughout the years. For example, I I I'll use Stock Island in the Keys, for example. That's not a national park though. I mean it's obviously in a binary sensitive area 'cause the keys are very sensitive. Um, you know, you have campgrounds that are lily uh on the water. Um the only coral reef we have in obviously the f when the United States is and the keys, so there's always environmental concerns there from from the runoff from campgrounds.

   3:47:55Um people in Stock Island I know they they definitely um I would say it's probably six months is their max there. Um 'cause what I notice is that lots of times in these campgrounds they'll have people that's I'll use a KOA too a as an example too. I used to stay at a lot in in in uh and um just right outside QS, a little bit north of there. Um People would come for you know four or five six months, and they would uh stay at that cramped ground and they end up going one up north. um

   3:48:26during the summer. So they'd be they spend their winters down there and they go up north there. But you also have a lot of folks like myself that I would go for sometimes three nights, sometimes we go for seven nights. And the the national parks and the state parks um Depending on they all have different rules. Each one has different rules. Some might be there six months, some might be there there might be a max of thirty days at some of them too. So everybody has different rules. Each campground has different rules. State park systems have different rules at specific campgrounds and the national park system has different rules on the lengths of stays. So again,

   3:48:56what sometimes we stop one night, you know. We might be traveling, we'll stop at a campground for one night in our RV somewhere just to get to the next box. We need to sleep and rest. But I've noticed, what I've noticed, um, is that D's personal opinion is that one of the great things I like about it, my family likes about it. is that and we have what I would consider, you know, middle to lower end Um RV. It's not uh it's not a prevost or

   3:49:26anything like that. And we go to these places and there'll be a traveler trail a travel trailer that only sleeps one or two people in it, next to one that's that's a forty footer and costs two million dollars. It's such a variety. But everybody gets along. Everybody has a great time together. Nobody cares how much money each other has. Everybody's just there enjoying the outdoors and enjoying life. And that's one of the things personally that I love about that lifestyle, I guess you could say. I mean heck, my wife and I talked about personally that when we retire we'll probably end up in a mobile home

   3:49:57and cruise the nation and go back and forth and see our kids. But I mean I I li I think the lifestyle is great and I I think it fits a rural area personally.

   Fitzpatrick

   3:50:07I do feel that the campground are

   StarkeyChair

   3:50:10you are you done?

   MarianoVice Chair

   3:50:11Yeah, I'm done.

   StarkeyChair

   3:50:11Okay. Uh Commissioner Fitzpatrick.

   Fitzpatrick

   3:50:14Thank you. I do feel r um the campground is more for a rural area. Maybe there is the concern with how long the length of stay is and if you're going to six months, then it's more of like you're s you're living there in a dwelling.

   Barbara Wilhite

   3:50:30So s the state law of transient is less than six months. So six months or state law is what transient is. So that's where that number comes from. It's repeated in your code. for um determinations of when you're permanently living somewhere versus transiently. I would add one little thing of perspective. about the numbers of our spaces 'cause I think it just might be helpful. It's kind of not really answering Commissioner Moore's question 'cause I don't know the state part and national park. But I did we did look at what

   3:51:01uh how your s RVs are s how many spaces per acre in the county. And there's a resort. Uh RV Park on I seventy five just south of us outside the rural area. And it has nine Point four one. spaces per acre. We designed ours. With forty six percent open space. I said approximately fifty percent at the last hearing and then um Ms. Moretti questioned staff about that and so I made my folks go back

   3:51:31and so it's forty percent open s forty six percent open space, not including the spa open space on our R V. Spaces because we have landscaping areas, but Our RV spaces per acre are four point six six, that's half. So what you see We are being sensitive to where we're at. It's half of what the the re the park has to the south of us outside the rural area. So I just wanna give that little bit of perspective on the numbers, because everybody throws the numbers out but they don't relate to anything, so

   3:52:00I'm sorry to cut you off but I wanted to finish my rebuttal so you all can talk.

   StarkeyChair

   3:52:04Did you have any more questions?

   Fitzpatrick

   3:52:06Not for applicants.

   StarkeyChair

   3:52:07Okay.

   3:52:10So

   3:52:13And we we have no one online? No one online. Okay, so uh I'm glad that you clarified that about the 55 feet, because that was you know, two stories is not 55 feet. That's a lot more so. Um I did want your traffic person or someone to address the Iola Blanton intersection and if this affects it.

   Barbara Wilhite

   3:52:36We can. Um and the part of Okay, let's let Steve introduce that.

   StarkeyChair

   3:52:42Yeah,

   Henry

   3:52:42wouldn't you

   Nectarios Pittos

   3:52:43have any

   Henry

   3:52:43bad taxes? Steve Henry, Linkson Associates, uh and I have been sworn. Uh we did do an analysis of the intersection from a capacity standpoint. And from our standpoint the the intersection operates at acceptable level of service today and with the project. Now what your staff has done is looked at different alternatives for the the intersection because there are some safety concerns at the intersection. It's not a capacity issue, it's a safety concern. And I think Vantec may be on the phone, he may be a better person to be able to address that because we looked

   3:53:13at some different options, they looked at some different options, and they came up with an option that they think is best that they plan to implement whether this project goes forward or not. So I'd rather defer to him to be able to address that for you.

   StarkeyChair

   3:53:24Let me get a clarification. Um is that a better question for the next hearing or this comp plan? Hearing.

   Unidentified speakerVoice A

   3:53:33Well, if you think that the comprehensive plan should not be changed based on transportation conditions, then it's appropriate for this it could go either way is I guess what I'm saying.

   StarkeyChair

   3:53:47So do y'all want to hear about it? Well I th I think I think I heard enough. Um so I was looking at the map of Dade City. when we were talking about this. And if you ever see me on my iPad during a board meeting, I'm usually doing research or looking it up and Um and I uh was actually chair when we passed the East Pasco Rural Protection Ordinance. And um And what you know we did that for residential, that we didn't

   3:54:17have commercial in front of us. It was just the residential. And We you know, I've heard oh we took property rights, but we didn't. We said if you if you have what you Whatever you have under the comp plan now as far as density you uh you could keep and I'm not I'm not a planner or a land use attorney, so I may get this all wrong. Um but that if you wanted to increase your density you would have to do a conservation subdivision, like Lake Jovida. Um So

   3:54:48but we did not address the commercial And that was for a future date and You know, I hope that's in the works. This is commercial, not residential, even though I know that sounds funky, but that's where it falls. And when I look at Dave City And I've been sitting here looking at it and first of all I you know, I think it's the right place against the interstate. I wouldn't want this out in the country more and have Um, which it

   3:55:18could be, um where you drive more along the roads. This has a pretty short access to the interstate. Um And then I look over at three oh one And I Tried I don't have the Dade City boundary memorized so I tried to transpose it here. And I see all kinds of R V parks right along three oh one. Out outside of Dade City. um just north of the Dade City line. Um not nearly as nice as

   3:55:48this one's gonna be. So I'm The what what did concern me um was the um tree canopy. And and that there be a uh a substantial tree canopy here because no one wants you know, we love our county and I think it looks beautiful for the most part from the interstate and if if you know me I've worked hard to ban billboards and add landscaping uh all over the place in the county. And um I just thought it was

   3:56:18really important that the view of the campers be softened by a tree canopy. And I think and I think they've committed to well I'll let you speak to what you committed to but that that was important to me that there be a lot of landscaping and that the pads have a lot of oh that's gonna be in the next one. Okay, sorry I see I'm mixing these up. So um we'll go over the landscaping the next one but For me, For what we are dealing with right now, this is commercial.

   3:56:49Um the I think a campground in a rural area. Um is right against seventy five. I see other ones in the area on three oh one and So I I'm I'm For those reasons I'll I'll be supporting the right-of-way.

   Oakley

   3:57:05So if you look at if you look at this R V part, the way it is, the way it's set up on the land the landscape and the way the topo topo is The fact of it is you may see that up near the road a little bit, but it drops away from the road down toward the lake. And so basically when you come by you won't see all the but When you think about this as five hundred and fifty spaces. Is that a lie? I don't know if it is because right down the road you have

   3:57:35uh travelers rest which is a residential

   StarkeyChair

   3:57:38cannot speak from the gallon.

   Oakley

   3:57:39Which is a residential park. And there's fifteen hundred or so residents there? They have their own community there. You hardly hear much of anything there and they've been there for over fifty years.

   StarkeyChair

   3:57:52And um I I wanted to address what C Commissioner Moore was saying too. I mean my brother just put in his resignation yesterday and he's getting ready to uh travel in his RV. And um and I I've I've done so as well and so have my parents. So um Commissioner Fitzpatrick.

   3:58:08Yes, Madam Chair, I was wondering if the R V air parks that you were talking about were within or w outside the Northeast Rural Area Protection. And then Commissioner Oakley, I know you said the fifteen hundred spaces. Are do you know are those within or outside the Northeast Rural Protection Plan?

   Oakley

   3:58:25Those are residential, those fifteen hundred.

   Fitzpatrick

   3:58:27Okay. Um I was concerned with how will this affect the public safety and the services out there. With all the additional residents or visitors coming to the park that may need public safety services.

   Barbara Wilhite

   3:58:45So if I may answer that, um We don't see any extra need or extra burden on public safety, but I did We did calculate what's the estimated to be ad valorem taxation that we're going to pay and And a similar resort um of the quality down in Manatee, about a twenty-two million dollar assessed value, their their uh tax bill is About three hundred and fifty thousand a year in ad valorem. Our mo our tourism tax, which

   3:59:16obviously doesn't go to to that type of infrastructure, is now that's five percent, is estimated to be about five hundred and fifty thousand a year. So it's a significant amount that the resorts pay on top of mobility fees and building permit fees and all those things. But it's a s significant amount because it's gonna be a significant investment um in the resort. So they will be paying the bed tax fee? Yes. Yes, about five hundred fifty thousand now that it's five percent, half million dollars a year.

   3:59:43Which we're proud to do.

   MarianoVice Chair

   3:59:45Uh Madam Chairman Mariano, yeah, that's uh RV parks pay bed tax. Um excuse me. as well as obviously B R B O's are supposed to. And um Rental you know, rental homes less than six months. as well as um obviously hotels and motels and such. And they fall on the s they fall on the line with the same thing.

   StarkeyChair

   4:00:09We need to check on these ones on three oh one.

   MarianoVice Chair

   4:00:11Yeah.

   StarkeyChair

   4:00:11Make sure they're paying. Commissioner Oakley.

   MarianoVice Chair

   4:00:14Tax player's do doing a good job in that. Madam Chairman I'd like to move approval. Second.

   Fitzpatrick

   4:00:18Can I have a discussion? Uh yes? Thank you. Um my concern is with it being in the Northeast Rail Protection Plan, if previous boards have agreed to Put that plan together.

   4:00:34Are we still protecting the Northeast Rural Area Protection Plan by moving forward with the R Vs?

   StarkeyChair

   4:00:41So um the Northeast Rural Protection Plan is a residential rural protection plan and this R V park is considered commercial so doesn't fall in and I'm speaking for someone else or the county can speak up to this or Terry or someone.

   Unidentified speakerVoice A

   4:00:57So the rural the rural protection area is On Lamac. Right now what you have adopted in your land development code only applies to residential.

   StarkeyChair

   4:01:10Right. Right.

   Unidentified speakerVoice A

   4:01:11Not that it'll but I'll defer to the planning direction.

   StarkeyChair

   4:01:15Yes, me too. And then we're going to address under we're under discussion. I do want the county attorney to address Commissioner Oakley's ability to vote or not vote.

   4:01:26So Terry's going to speak first and we'll address Commissioner

   Nectarios Pittos

   4:01:28Oakley. Sure.

   4:01:31So as we're talking about the comprehensive plan and amending it, the plan development uh when we craft a plan development, we make sure that the plan development itself is consistent with the remainder of the Comprehensive Plan, including the various policies of uh that are in the that are in it related to northeast rural and rural protection areas. So we've taken that into consideration when developing the P D in this case and then also Later on. When we are developing when we develop the the zoning as well.

   StarkeyChair

   4:02:02Commissioner Fitzpatrick, did that answer your question?

   MarianoVice Chair

   4:02:07What Madam Chairman Mariano's waiting if you don't mind. So the statement you're making, okay, statement you made residential, you cannot have a for example a I I'm just throwing the number out here, you know, uh a thousand unit on fifty-foot lots would not obviously fit within the rule protection plan in

   County Administrator

   4:02:23this

   MarianoVice Chair

   4:02:24area currently, correct? Not a residue. Residential residential. Yeah,

   Nectarios Pittos

   4:02:29a residential project would have to follow the regulation.

   MarianoVice Chair

   4:02:31Right. But if a truck stop came in tomorrow, a flying J, they could make the application.

   Nectarios Pittos

   4:02:41Uh they they could in the sense that they would probably have to do

   4:02:48Yeah, they would have to go through the process and we would probably need a rezoning of some sort.

   StarkeyChair

   4:02:52It's uh what Commissioner Moore just said is a discussion for another time about the forty-foot lots, uh because I don't know if what he just said is correct. But What we're dealing with is commercial here not residential. That kind of is is that correct? Correct. Okay. Um and Okay. We still have another one we have rezoning this call plan. Go ahead.

   Fitzpatrick

   4:03:17I thank you, Madam Chair. So I feel that if the previous boards have agreed to a plan that we should follow that plan, but because that's only residential, that has nothing to do with the commercial that is being being set in front of us today. So with that being said, I have worked with the residents and the applicant to come to a resolution to their conflict, but it seems they're still working on that. So But again, this is commercial.

   StarkeyChair

   4:03:40Right. Um so let's address if um thank you. Let's address uh Wait who made the motion? Okay, so I'm gonna I know we're under discussion, but And he made the motion, but we need to address The ability for you to vote.

   Unidentified speakerVoice A

   4:03:57So Commissioner Oakley, my understanding from previous discussions is that while you had a family member that previously owned this property, It was sold not contingent on any f future approvals by The board, correct? So it was not a

   Oakley

   4:04:18it wasn't a zoning contingent contract. I didn't even know the property was up for sale at the time and it sold. And never met the new owner until Two or three months after it had closed.

   Unidentified speakerVoice A

   4:04:29So that transaction is done and under state law you have no conflict. No conflict.

   StarkeyChair

   4:04:37Okay, so legally you must vote. So

   Fitzpatrick

   4:04:40Madam Chair, last question. So that's the Northeast Rural Area Protection Plan was enforced in two thousand six, roughly. And about five years later they f finished the residential part. Are they working on the commercial part of it?

   Oakley

   4:04:58We've been looking at it. But Terry can answer that.

   Bill Lamberson

   4:05:01I was

   Oakley

   4:05:02on the board.

   Fitzpatrick

   4:05:07So in two thousand six was it in two thousand six when the rural protection plan was established, and then five years later they finalized the residential and then where are we at with the commercial?

   Nectarios Pittos

   4:05:19The the we we are working right now on a commercial standards ordinance for Northeast Rule. That was um part of This previous fall, in the fall of 2021, we worked with the Northeast Rural Advisory Committee for a few months and then we've taken the project and are wrapping finishing up the initial drafts of that ordinance coming up now in April, I believe. Um so that should be coming f before the board in in you know A few months from now. I

   4:05:49won't say May, but coming up this summer.

   Unidentified speakerVoice A

   4:05:53Oh Madam Chairman M before before you take a vote, um I wanna know from Commissioner Oakley and the seconder whether you are adding in the Whereas clause finding a fact that Ms. Wilheit tendered at the beginning of the hearing. Um whereas the proposed commercial recreational use is compatible along the a major interstate corridor, I-75, a six-lane divided interstate highway that carries an average of approximately

   4:06:23forty-eight, five hundred vehicles daily and has a and has Access to this facility from I-75/Platon Road Interchange, which is located approximately one mile north of the property. Uh

   MarianoVice Chair

   4:06:36under advisement from the county

   Unidentified speakerVoice A

   4:06:38attorney? I think that I I don't object to it being with the ordinance. And

   StarkeyChair

   4:06:43the two story issue would be in the next one in the rezoning. Okay. All right, so we have a motion and a second. All in favor? Aye. A roll call?

   Unidentified speakerVoice A

   4:06:53Roll call by the Dr.

   StarkeyChair

   4:06:54Okay, roll call, sorry, it's at the beginning.

   StarkeyChair

   4:06:55District one, Commissioner Oakley. Aye. District two, Commissioner Moore. District four, Commissioner Fitzpatrick. Aye. District five, Commissioner Mariano. District three, Chairman Starkey.