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1. 1Jan 6, 2022
   Planning CommissionPC9Public hearingNo disposition in the minutes

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   Unidentified speakerVoice A

   25:03Good afternoon. I'm Jeffrey Jenkins with Planning and Development. Item PC nine is an ordinance by the Pasco County Board of County Commissioners, amending ordinance number 21-08 to expand the moratorium area, providing for authority, legislative findings of fact, moratorium area temporary, moratorium imposed, and severability.

   25:36On May 4th, 2021, the Board of County Commissioners uh adopted a moratorium. Um for the acceptance, submission of applications for conditional uses, rezoning, and comprehensive plan. amendments proposed to increase uh multifamily entitlements within the moratorium area. Uh Commissioner Moore had requested that the board direct PDD staff to expand the multifamily moratorium to include additional

   26:07areas within Wesley Chapel. and Land O' Lakes. On December 7th, 2021, the board voted to direct staff to bring an ordinance forward amending ordinance number 2108. to expand the boundary.

   26:26This expansion

   26:30Is several addition additional areas along the state road. Uh 5456 corridor. The expansion area can generally be defined as state road 54 to Collier Parkway. to County Line Road, south to Mansfield Boulevard. to State Road 56. Which Is primarily the area on the south of the map you see. And

   27:00state road 54 due north to interstate seventy-five. Two overpass road. and west to the existing moratorium boundary.

   27:13So this um Takes into consideration the redistrict redistricting of the commission districts.

   27:25I would like to note that the King Ranch um Area. uh has been uh omitted from the moratorium because there is a an existing sub-area for that that par property.

   27:42The ordinance amendment. is consistent with Florida State Statute and the 2025 Pasco County Comprehensive Plan. And staff is recommending that the local planning agency uh Recommend approval to the Board of County Commissioners.

   GreyChair

   28:03All right.

   GirardiVice Chair

   28:04Mr. Chairman Mariano. So Mr. Jenkins is the Adoption ordinance for the expansion the same as it was for the original. I mean, is it is it is it the Morton covered the same types of multifamily or not?

   Unidentified speakerVoice A

   28:21I I don't think there's any um difference in the in the two. It's just the expansion of the the boundaries.

   GirardiVice Chair

   28:28Did the first one exclude townhomes?

   Unidentified speakerVoice A

   28:31Um

   28:38I don't have that right in front of me right now.

   GirardiVice Chair

   28:45Probably need an answer to that because I don't if the board meant to exclude townhomes in the original one. It doesn't appear this one excludes townhomes. So

   Unidentified speakerVoice A

   28:58Okay.

   GirardiVice Chair

   28:58Probably need to make them consistent.

   Unidentified speakerVoice A

   29:00Okay. All right, I'll make a note of that.

   GreyChair

   29:07So do we have somebody that can confirm or deny? Yeah, on staff.

   Anderson

   29:19Yeah, assuming it'd be Mr. Jenkins will have to. I don't

   GirardiVice Chair

   29:22know that anybody else here is Okay.

   GreyChair

   29:29So do we continue that one?

   GirardiVice Chair

   29:32Well, I mean I guess it depends on how important that exclusion Is

   GreyChair

   29:37to you.

   GirardiVice Chair

   29:37Come back.

   GreyChair

   29:39I think it's important because it's if that was the intention in the original ordinance. And I think you said that There was

   Unidentified speakerVoice A

   29:46no difference between the two? I believe the intent was to make it consistent with the previous ordinance. That this was an expansion of the boundaries. So

   29:58We can add that before it goes to the board.

   GirardiVice Chair

   30:02Could direct that the exclusion for townhomes be added if it was excluded in the original moratorium. Okay.

   Christopher Poole

   30:11Mr. Chair, I've got I've got one question on it. So the um Mr. Jenkins, the proposal to do the additional study in that expanded area, that doesn't extend the moratorium timeline. It's the the intention is for staff to complete the study in that area by then, what is it, April 1st?

   Unidentified speakerVoice A

   30:28That's correct. April first.

   Christopher Poole

   30:29Okay. Thank you.

   GreyChair

   30:33Okay, so uh if someone heard uh Uh what David said. I'd like to have a motion to that effect

   Anderson

   30:41if we're going to approve it. I'll I'll make a motion to adopt uh

   30:49Go ahead.

   30:52Proposal. Uh so long as it's consistent with the intent of the original moratorium, which excluded townhomes. Yeah.

   GirardiVice Chair

   31:01Which may have included townhomes, they're gonna verify that it did. But the the concept would be to make them consistent.

   GreyChair

   31:06All right. I'll I'll second as amended. Okay, so we have a motion and a second. Any further discussion?

   Unidentified speakerVoice B

   31:12Before before we vote, uh is there any update on the status of that study? I mean, is there a chance does it looking like we're gonna extend this thing again or is it to work?

   Unidentified speakerVoice A

   31:22I I I know that they've been working with some data that we just supplied them with last month. So they're still working on it and we're hoping to get uh possibly a a draft uh within maybe the next 30 days. But uh I think that um all depends on the the data and whether or not they're getting the data that they need and if they need more.

   GreyChair

   31:49Is that funny? So we have a motion. We have a second. Any further discussion? All in favor of the motion signify by saying aye. I opposed, like sign? No.

   32:02One night.

   32:05Thank you, Gary. Thank you.

2. 2Jan 25, 2022
   Board of County CommissionersP64Public hearingNo action

   Approved minutes

   No action was required as this was the first reading of the proposed Ordinance. The adoption hearing was scheduled for February 8, 2022 at 1:30 p.m. in Dade City.

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   StarkeyChair

   20:39So we're gonna go to proposed ordinance. And the first one we'll be on is P sixty four.

   StarkeyChair

   20:47Mr. Chair um Madam Chairman and members of the board, we have proof of publication of the hearing of this item in the Tampa Bay Times on December 22, 2021.

   Denise

   20:58Madam Chair, Commissioner, Denise Fernandez, Planning and Development. Item P64 is PDD 220168. And this is the transmittal for this item. So we're gonna ask you that you hold a public hearing, accept public comment, and authorize transmittal to the Department of Economic Opportunity and other reviewing agencies.

   Unidentified speakerVoice C

   21:17Sixty four is the expansion of the moratorium area, is it not? It's

   Denise

   21:22not a transmittal of the expansion of the moratorium area.

   Unidentified speakerVoice C

   21:25No, this would be the first first of its two hearings. before the board as a land development code amendment.

   Denise

   21:31Okay.

   Unidentified speakerVoice C

   21:31I or

   Denise

   21:41Okay. So uh across that, accepting public comment, it's first of two hearings. The second hearing is on February 8th, 2022, at 1:30 in Dade City. Uh, the item was presented to the local planning agency on 1-6 of 22, who found it consistent with a comprehensive plan and recommended approval to the board. It's an ordinance by the Pasco County Board of County Commissioners, amending ordinance number 21-08 to expand. moratorium area providing for authority legislative findings of fact moratorium area temporary moratorium

   22:11imposed and severability PDD 220168 So it's no action by the board requ uh required today. Do you want to accept public comment on the item?

   StarkeyChair

   22:22All right. Would anybody like to speak to this item?

3. 3Feb 8, 2022
   Board of County CommissionersP35Public hearingAdopted

   Approved minutes

   Approved to adopt by a roll call vote including the noted modifications which included that the proposed moratorium expansion area did not include parcels collectively known as the Wiregrass Ranch DRI.

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   StarkeyChair

   4:50Okay, P35.

   StarkeyChair

   4:53This item was originally published for hearing uh at the d January twenty-fifth Board of County Commissioners meeting in New Port Richey continued to this date and time. Anyway. That doesn't

   Unidentified speakerVoice C

   5:06sound right.

   Denise

   5:12The first reading was one twenty-five of twenty twenty two. Okay.

   Unidentified speakerVoice C

   5:16So it's first re this is a two hearing. Oh okay, so it's a good thing. It should have been advertised

   Liam Devine

   5:22for this data as well.

   StarkeyChair

   5:24Okay, let me verify that.

   Denise

   5:37May I proceed?

   StarkeyChair

   5:39What oh sorry. Uh and we do have proof of publication for this date and time, a second uh reading um in the Uh in the Tampa Bay Times of December twenty second, twenty twenty one. Thank you.

   Denise

   5:55Now you can go. Okay, thank you so much. P35 is PDD 220168. I do want to mention that there are some documents on your on your uh areas. providing some some modifications to the item. So basically the modification to the item that you are receiving today is that the proposed moratorium expansion area does not include parcels that are collectively known as the Wiregrass Ranch DRI. The Wiregrass Ranch DRI and Development Order, Comprehensive

   6:26Plan, PD, Future Land Use Designation and Associated Sub-area Policies, and the MPUD. The reason why we're removing those, those require employment center uses with higher density and residential development and multi- multifamily development nearby. Multifamily within development within the Wiregrass Ranch is designated to be better integrated into the overall development and thus the moratorium expansion area exclude those areas. So you have a modification to the agenda memo and to the expansion area moratorium map. So

   6:56I will read this. This is actually the adoption, and we're asking that you take public comment and you adopt by roll call vote. It's an ordinance by the Pasco County Board of County Commissioners amending ordinance 2108 to expand the moratorium area, providing for authority, legislative findings effect, moratorium area, temporary moratorium imposed, and severability. And um this went to the local planning agency with the With the exclusion area. Um that and they found it consistent with the

   7:26comprehensive plan and recommended approval to the board of county commissioners on one six of twenty-two and this went to the board of county commissioners on first reading on one twenty-five of twenty-two. And I believe you have some folks signed up to speak on this matter.

   StarkeyChair

   7:40Yes, we do.

   Denise

   7:42Okay.

   StarkeyChair

   7:46Uh first uh person we have signed up is uh Cynthia Spidel.

   Cynthia Speidel

   7:54Good afternoon and thank you. My name is Cynthia Speidel. I'm with Stern's Weaver at 401 East Jackson Street in Tampa. So good afternoon and thank you for the opportunity to speak to this issue. I'm here today to revise a f to to raise a few concerns and to object to the moratorium area expansion. As a board members may recall, and also during my decade plus tenure at Pasco County in the Planning Department and Capital Budgeting, we had invited the ULI to evaluate Pasco County market areas. And they came up with proposed market areas, which included the

   8:24South Market and the Urban Service Area. And these areas were adapted. These areas include the State Wheel 54 and 56 corridor and are the intended target for growth. The multifamily moratorium is slowly expanding and extending into the urban service area and south market area. I am glad that you removed Wiregrass. This moratorium is counterintuitive to this growth management strategy. Unintended consequences may include promoting multifamily outside the moratorium boundary, such as suburban and rural market areas, as well as

   8:54promoting inn unintentionally or inadvertently promoting smaller single-family lots, including the 40s, as the market adapts and seeks to achieve density in other housing products. that these types of moratoriums perpetuate urban sprawl, do not promote getting people out of their car. And lastly, during the recent PD PEDC economic forecast luncheon, rent was shown to be the largest contributor of inflation. Restricting excuse me, restricting density on the supply side will continue to exacerbate the already

   9:24high rents. Lastly, if dimensional standards are considered for this area, please have such design standards go through the traditional LDC amendment process and not via a BCC policy board memo. Design standards and LDC implementation tends to be better when everyone has a seat at the table. Thank you very much. Thank you. Um anyone else signed up?

   StarkeyChair

   9:47Yes. Uh Nicole Lynn.

   Unidentified speakerVoice D

   9:54Good afternoon everyone, Nicole Lynn, 4921 Memorial Highway, Tampa, with our Dura group. Thanks for hearing us on this subject matter. I just wanted to also reiterate what Cynthia said a second ago about exclusion for Wiregrass Ranch, much noted. In addition to that, I just wanted to say that the expansion of the moratorium area obviously seeks to limit the housing opportunities where the ULI study had previously identified for a concentration

   10:25to be. So obviously urban sprawl would occur. And make sure that you are aware that there are folks that are here that are not in agreement with moving forward with the expansion of the moratorium. Thanks. Thank you.

   StarkeyChair

   10:40Uh Hope Kennedy.

   Unidentified speakerVoice E

   10:48Good afternoon. I'm Hope Kennedy from the North Tampa Bay Chamber of Commerce, 1868 Highland Oaks Boulevard, Suite A. This is absolutely terrible for business. Please do not continue with these moratoriums. This is not a creative use for coming up with a problem. We have a workforce problem, and the housing crisis is directly correlated with. the uh affordable housing. Um moratoriums are lazy. Um, and I encourage you to look for other creative

   11:19ways to find affordable housing solutions. the moratoriums in general are just absolutely lazy. And so we encourage you to be pro business, help us out with the workforce issue that we have. As I've mentioned before, the um Affordable housing. So Please be very smart in making those moves. Thank you.

   StarkeyChair

   11:40Kennedy, uh just to clarify, were you speaking on behalf of the the Chamber of

   Unidentified speakerVoice E

   11:46that address or your home? One hundred percent. They absolutely did, sir. It's on our priorities list for affordable housing as well as workforce.

   Moore

   11:56Actual matter for it.

   Unidentified speakerVoice E

   11:57I'm sorry.

   Moore

   11:58They vote on this actual matter.

   Unidentified speakerVoice E

   11:59It's our legislative priorities that are put forth to our board of directors each year. This was on our agenda last year and continues to roll over to the agenda this year. But

   Moore

   12:07not

   Unidentified speakerVoice E

   12:07that is already approved. This is part of our legislative priorities. The actual agenda item. It's an actual priority item, affordable housing and workforce. Please do.

   StarkeyChair

   12:19Uh that was the last person signed up in advance.

   StarkeyChair

   12:24Um is there anyone on WebEx who would like to address this issue?

   StarkeyChair

   12:27We have no one on WebEx.

   StarkeyChair

   12:29And is there anyone else here that would like to address the expansion of the moratorium?

   12:37Okay, and I ha I have a question. Um so I'm confused on the dates, the dates of the moratorium.

   12:48So when would it end?

   12:55It's a one hundred and eighty day. Oh no, we extended that.

   Nectarios Pittos

   12:58Uh Nictorias Petos with the Planning and Development Department. Uh Madam Chair. The moratorium was extended uh yes, extended time wise. in October until April of twenty twenty two.

   StarkeyChair

   13:11So this will it's more train will go for two more months.

   Nectarios Pittos

   13:15Uh yes, but the if if the moratorium were to pass its retroactive back to January, I believe.

   StarkeyChair

   13:23So it What I'm sorry. When does

   Unidentified speakerVoice C

   13:25it expire? Expansion can is not going to expand the time the moratorium is in place. Right. So if if The original ordinance expires April 2022 without further action of this board. That's when it's gonna expire.

   StarkeyChair

   13:43I don't think legally we can expand it more than one year.

   13:48Okay.

   Moore

   13:51I you know we Oh.

   13:55I don't think I need to Continue to speak on this. We know my con my uh issues with it um as well as we've heard from economic development professionals actually have written this letter. We've heard from the sheriff's office. We've heard of their concerns. We've, you know, the people that spoke today, I appreciate them speaking. We spoke to people that represent um the apartment industry from Tampa. We've also heard from somebody that lives in Tampa. I mean I didn't have one person that actually lives in Pasco

   14:26County, come up and speak against this item today. The majority of people, I'm sure you've heard the same, that live in Pasco County are for this. And I represent the citizens of Pasco County.

   MarianoVice Chair

   14:38Madam Clerk

   Unidentified speakerVoice E

   14:39Yes.

   MarianoVice Chair

   14:40You know, when we look at the traffic in the corridor. We're trying to do improvements. It's gonna take time. Um the e east less east west gridlock. There's no solution that ULI first looked at down the fifty-four card. That did not happen. So all of a sudden now we got the extra density without the traffic flow to go with it. Um some of these decisions could have come in where we take a job creating piece of land and turn into apartments where costing ourselves jobs. So I'm I'm comfortable with what we've got on place. I'll

   15:11make a motion. Approved.

   StarkeyChair

   15:12Under okay. Now we're under discussion. Um You know, I'm I'm a little torn here because it's only two months uh is this extension, so uh I don't think I don't think um If it was a year, I for sure wouldn't be voting for it. Um, but I I I agree with um the representative from the chamber. That That um we need more workforce and affordable housing. Um And

   15:43I hear it I get calls all the time. People can't find a place to live. We're trying to attract companies here. And where are they gonna live? because there is no inventory out there for someone to um be purchasing a house or or uh renting an apartment. Um So uh I know this is gonna pass, but just because of my work with workforce housing and affordable housing, I think I think I'm gonna vote no, but I know it's gonna pass. And um

   16:13uh Com uh just a minute, Commissioner Oakley, I have one more thought I was gonna say. Um I I agree that we want to protect jobs. Um but I think we can have housing and jobs. And I I think we've been shown that opportunity and When you saw the report from The Tampa Bay Regional Planning Council that showed vertical mixed use. And uh that is jobs and housing. And so I think it can be done if we if we put our mind

   16:44to it that we can have both. Commissioner Oakley.

   Oakley

   16:47Right. The problem with this issue and and we've seen it grow pretty good is not affordable housing because these houses, these apartments are renting for $2,000, $2,200 a month. That's not affordable housing for people. We do need affordable housing in our county. Um but some of this housing is is not for jobs in our county, but for jobs in other counties nearby. And so we need to focus on jobs in our county and housing in our county. And because of

   17:17this moratorium, We've had other areas of the county. that have come up with some multifamily uh projects. that wouldn't have come up if this was still open and they could come here. But it's in other areas of our county that we're going to get some of the uh multifamily housing up.

   StarkeyChair

   17:35Yeah, and you know, you bring a big point good point. I want to ask our staff, um, and just kind of going to what Hope said, I think that we do have an exclusion for workforce housing. So is that correct that this m moratorium would not exclude workforce housing?

   Nectarios Pittos

   17:58I Madam Chair, I would have to uh refer to the documents really quick if you give me a moment.

   StarkeyChair

   18:03Because I think we are, you know, working to incentivize workforce housing.

   Unidentified speaker

   18:08I believe affordable housing in the West Market area were exempt from the moratorium. Well

   StarkeyChair

   18:13everything outside of his district is not in the moratorium, but I just wanna know If um not that I know of any um workforce housing that's coming, but certainly we want some in that area. Oh yeah. So people who live who work there can live there. But I I'm just checking to see if we've included because if not, I maybe would want to make an amendment, though it's only two months. That if someone came in with an affordable housing project We would want that, right?

   Moore

   18:42Madam Chair, since we're while we're waiting and I mean, again, the motion we have a motion and a second, so I don't know how much um I'll call the question in a second. Um well he's and why after he does that, then I'll call the question. Um but again, you know, talking to people obviously on the economic development side, in the and people that are trying to bring businesses to this county, um the big concern is that along that fifty four and fifty-six corridor, we're running out of that land. So it has the proper zoning now to bring in commercial not only retail but office as well. We have

   19:13master mill plant communities that were very well thought out. E.G. Wiregrass, for example, that has the entitlements. Avalon Park West has entitlements. When we work together with those communities to build that quote, really true walkable community, that's when it makes sense. But we can't continue to lose our job-creating sites. It makes it very difficult on our economic development team. It makes it very difficult on our EDC to be able to recruit those companies or bring those companies here because they want to be. Along major corridors. And we heard when I asked

   19:43the questions to Bill Cronin, which is the obviously economic development pro for our county and knows more than anybody about that. He said that's a concern. So I

   StarkeyChair

   19:53had I had breakfast with Mr. Cronin yesterday and we talked or Friday, we talked specifically about this, and he agrees when you're bringing in a company that is bringing 500 jobs, they need to have one of the things they're gonna look at is is housing available for the people that are coming here. So uh listening. I work very hard on economic development and bringing jobs here. That's why I started a workforce training program. It's why I chair economic development or vice chair for the National Association Accounting. So I I do know a lot. I

   20:23do work with economic development. I think you need both. And I'm looking forward to the study to see where we are. But I'm asking you about workforce housing.

   Nectarios Pittos

   20:32Madam Clerk. uh original ordinance for the moratorium did not distinguish between uh any type of multifamily. So the multifamily in general, it did not carve out any exceptions for affordable. Uh housing.

   Moore

   20:46We have a motion second call the question.

   Fitzpatrick

   20:48Commissioner Fitzpatrick. I believe that was when I re made the motion to remove multifamilies from C2 housing. That's when they kept in the West Market and the affordable housing and other exceptions.

   Moore

   20:58He is

   Unidentified speakerVoice F

   20:59correct.

   Fitzpatrick

   20:59Yes,

   Unidentified speakerVoice F

   21:00sir.

   Fitzpatrick

   21:00All right. Well we'll we'll go. When when is this presentation gonna be ready to be presented to the board? Because the moratorium is allowed only until the ordinance is updated.

   Nectarios Pittos

   21:10We're working on the study uh with the intent of bringing Uh information to the board members. Towards the end of March.

   Fitzpatrick

   21:18Okay, thank you. So it will be before the moratorium ends.

   Nectarios Pittos

   21:22Um In terms of the initial information, yes, but in terms of presenting at the board meeting, that may occur in April.

   StarkeyChair

   21:31Okay. Um so I guess I'm gonna go ahead and support it because it's just for a few more months and I think we'll have Rogall or Yeah. So uh Roll Calvo.

   StarkeyChair

   21:42District One, Commissioner Oakley. Aye. District two, Commissioner Moore. Aye. District four, Commissioner Fitzpatrick.

   Fitzpatrick

   21:49Aye.

   StarkeyChair

   21:50District five, Commissioner Mariano. Aye. District three, Chairman Mariano. Starkey. Hi.

   21:57Thank you all.

   StarkeyChair

   21:58Um common sense

   Moore

   22:00prevailed. Good job. Appreciate it.

   StarkeyChair

   22:03Then we're at

   StarkeyChair

   22:05a big yeah.