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1. 1Apr 21, 2022
   Planning CommissionPC4Public hearingApproved

   Zoning Amendment (Regular) (Consent) – D&D LLC – … Containing Approximately 14.03 Acres

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   Liam Devine

   55:55Lleam Divine Planning and Development. Item PC four, PDD twenty-two-seven Dash seven six zero nine in the name of DND L L C it is a zoning amendment from R four High Density Residential District to MF One Multifamily Medium Density District.

   Ernie Monaco

   56:13Oh.

   Charles GreyChair

   56:22How's the senior picture?

   Liam Devine

   56:27Oh okay, let me just go back. The subject site is currently located on the west side of Hicks Road, approximately a quarter mile south of New York Avenue. This is a look at the aerial view of the subject site. This is the future land use. To the north, south and west of the subject site is res 6 and to the east is res 3. This is a look at the surrounding zoning. To the northeast and south of the site is AR and to the west is a PUD which allows single-family homes. The

   56:58subject site is currently undeveloped on approximately 14.03 acres. The applicant is proposing to develop the property with 84 townhomes in conformance with the MF1 district standards. I would also like to note in 2005, the subject property under its current zoning had an approved special exception to allow duplexes. So currently the site already does allow multifamily dwelling units. Yeah. The applicant has voluntarily uh recorded a deed restriction. Those restrictions are in your agenda packet. Access

   57:30to the site, access to the property is from Hicks Road, a county-maintained collector's road with approximately 50 feet of right-of-way. The subject site has a future land use classification of res 6. Currently, the property is zoned R4, which the density would allow 84 single-family dwelling homes. With the proposed rezoning, it would still allow 84 dwelling units. So the density would not be changing. And the recommendation is coming from PDD staff for approval. I'm here if you have any questions. Any

   58:00any difficult questions for Liam?

   Christopher Poole

   58:04Not difficult. I d got a question for Chris on schools and capacity up in that area and the and the like.

   Unidentified speakerVoice A

   58:10Uh I appreciate you asking that. That's a good question. Um, you know, that's something right now are we have capacity at the high school. Um if you recall we we r we closed Hudson Elementary a couple years ago and we've redone the campus um there in Hudson. uh just remodeled Northwest Elementary, which is now Hudson Primary Academy, and then the middle school which is Hudson Academy. Um so we do have a

   58:40little bit of capacity there, not a whole lot. But um, you know, certainly we also own some land on Hicks Road. potentially for a future school site. So it's something we're monitoring. I mean certainly again we're not over necessarily over capacity in that area, but there you know, this project, but Won't generate a lot of students, but there are a lot of projects kinda popping up out there, smaller ones. So we are keeping an eye on it and And um You

   59:11know, just monitoring it right now and and trying to figure out Yeah, 'cause we don't want to go build a a big school. when things aren't really overcrowded yet. So that's kind of one thing. Again, I appreciate it. I think I think this particular project doesn't concern me too much, but it's all all the cumulative projects just trying to figure out what we're gonna do in the future. Okay. Thanks.

   Barbara Wilhite

   59:38Barbara Wilhite, 6327 Grand Boulevard, New Port Richey for the applicant.

   59:45He does a great job. Thank you. Mr. Williams, I've been doing this a long time, getting old. And um I am too. The school board's lucky to have him because we're able to move forward. We're able to move forward with projects and and create housing and he does a great job making sure the schools are there. So we support the school board a hundred and ten percent. Thank you. And the the folks that are running it. As Liam had mentioned, the current zoning is R4, allows for 84 homes. We're not increasing the density. We're proposing

   1:00:15to do a townhome product already approved for duplexes. What's interesting about duplexes at a special exception under your code is that the duplex unit, the two units, but the duplex building has to be under common ownership. You can't subdivide those. under a sp when you're approved through a special exception. So those turn into a lot of times rentals. This townhome product will be fee simple homes. These will be sold. So it's actually an improvement for the neighbors that would probably have ended up with duplexes that for the most part

   1:00:45were rented out opposed to what this approval will do, which actually wipes that out, right? Because when you go to MF1, it wipes that out. And these will be uh MF1 where we we'll do uh V Simple for Sale homes, town homes. The land use is res six. Um all west of Hudson is res six. When I look at this from a Land use standpoint kind of a geek about this. I look at it and go, oh my goodness, this fits all of the things that we're supposed to do.

   1:01:16We're talking about a res six uh land use with similar rezoning in the area. Collector road, it's a standard road. The county's already made the investment in that road. It's a vision road. This road has future transit of bus service. When you look at the LTRP for 2040, there's not a lot of roads other than your major roads that have anything planned for future transit, but this one does. So that was kind of unusual as well. It's in the West Market area, it's in your urban service area, it's where we should have density. And

   1:01:46we need townhomes. We need to have those townhomes for sale to have a different product type. Traffic wise, because it's eighty-four homes, whether it's duplexes units or it's single family under the current zoning or now we're doing townhomes, it's still eighty-four. So there's no increase in trips over what's approved and we will have to do an access management standard at the construction plan review. And I too like um I did look at the uh at the uh schools as well. Um so

   1:02:16I was familiar with uh what uh Mr. Williams was saying regarding the schools and there is a park to the s to the south. Um Veterans Memorial Park is one property to the south. So I'm not sure what the public comment is. I haven't heard. Um so I look forward to hearing what it is and then coming back and answering questions and addressing that. Thank you.

   Charles GreyChair

   1:02:36Thank you, Barbara.

   1:02:39All right. So is anybody else that would like to speak on this topic?

   Unidentified speakerVoice B

   1:02:45Mr. Chair, there is someone online to speak. Do you want to take that person first or do you want to take the gentleman who is here first?

   Charles GreyChair

   1:02:52Um I think didn't he request extra time or no?

   Unidentified speakerVoice B

   1:02:55No, sir, he did not. Okay.

   Charles GreyChair

   1:02:57All right. Well let's just go go ahead and take the person online and The wall. In case we have to give extra time.

   Kristen Brindley

   1:03:06Hello.

   Charles GreyChair

   1:03:07Yes, go ahead.

   Kristen Brindley

   1:03:10Hi, my name is Kristen Brindley, um [address removed]. First I would just want to say thank you for taking the time to talk to me. Um there are several things about this development that concern me.

   Charles GreyChair

   1:03:24I'm sorry, I hate to

   Kristen Brindley

   1:03:26interrupt

   Charles GreyChair

   1:03:26you, but want to make sure you've been sworn.

   Kristen Brindley

   1:03:29Yes, I was there.

   Charles GreyChair

   1:03:31Okay, thank you.

   Kristen Brindley

   1:03:33Thank you. Okay, so first being the destruction of the environment. We within a ten mile radius have five new developments going on around us. We have Hayes Road. We have new developments that went up on Hudson Avenue. They're tearing down the trees from Five from the on Five A Road from the library to the hospital. If you go back to Little Road, past Hudson Avenue, mm, everything else is torn down,

   1:04:03another development. There's another development going up on New York Avenue. Sir Jess. tearing everything down. This is taken away from the beauty of what Hudson once was. People are telling us every day we need to save the environment, we need to recycle, we need to use reusable bags. And we need to have trees. All of the trees around us have been ripped out for more housing. At some point we have to actually look around and say, What are we doing? We are destroying this area

   1:04:33so people can make a dollar. The actual owner of this land called me yesterday on the phone and we talked about what was going in. I explained to him my concerns. And he said he understood what I was saying because he went to Hudson High and he grew up running around in this area. that the places he used to go to are now gone with houses and developments. And I said to him, Then you of all people should understand w where we're coming from with this. His response was, he didn't own the land then and this

   1:05:03was just a business deal. to the families that live here, it's not just a deal, it's their home. Secondly, I'd like to talk about the schools. There's schools a street away. those kids in middle school and high school, there is no after school care. They have nowhere to go. They walk over to the They walk over to the rec center for their parents to pick them up. So I feel like the traffic and construction that need to

   1:05:34happen would increase Or I'm sorry, would create an unsafe situation for all involved. If you look at the area, you go around a sharp curve on New York Avenue, the Hicks Road, then you're getting around to the curve where there's kitten trail and people are pulling out. There's already multiple accidents every year. But now you want to add another additional hundred and something cars coming in and out. since most families have more than one car. That's just for the

   1:06:04time being until they decide they need to expand. And for one final thought, I just want to leave with you. There's a reason that my parents and other families chose Um, not to live I'm sorry, there's other reasons that my parents and other families around us bought land here thirty five, forty years ago. They didn't choose to live in a cookie cutter community, but they wanted to be in the well, they wanted not to be in the hustle and bustle of things. We don't want

   1:06:34to be there today. This area is one of the last pieces of what old Hudson used to look like and I don't want to see it destroyed.

   Charles GreyChair

   1:06:44Okay. Thank you. Thank you very much for your time.

   1:06:50All right.

   Unidentified speakerVoice B

   1:06:54Mr. Chairman, we have uh Barry Bailey and R Robert Hicks, I believe.

   Barry Bailey

   1:07:01Well, no, he's my grandson that's helping me with this. Right. Who might get pictures too of this area that we're discussing today?

   1:07:11Um we can receive and file if you'd like to give them to the young lady over there. Move to receive and file.

   Unidentified speakerVoice C

   1:07:19Second.

   Charles GreyChair

   1:07:20All in favor?

   Unidentified speakerVoice C

   1:07:21Aye. Aye. Aye.

   Jaimie GirardiVice Chair

   1:07:22Opposed? The motion carries. Sir are you I assume you're not asking us to receive and file that picture. We'd have to keep it if you want us to I

   Barry Bailey

   1:07:30can't I'm sorry sir, I can't hear Sora.

   Jaimie GirardiVice Chair

   1:07:33Are you asking us to receive and file this picture too or are you just holding it up?

   Barry Bailey

   1:07:42No, it's my it's what I type 'cause there's a label in that picture eating the catfish.

   Jaimie GirardiVice Chair

   1:07:46Okay.

   Charles GreyChair

   1:07:47Thank you.

   Barry Bailey

   1:07:50Uh my name is uh

   Charles GreyChair

   1:07:51excuse me. You're gonna have to speak right into the microphone and we're gonna need your name and address, please.

   Barry Bailey

   1:07:57To begin, I would like to thank this panel for the opportunity to bring this drainage problem of this area to light. My name is Barry Bailey. I'm sixty-nine year old owner of the property adjacent to the property we're discussing today. I own five hundred feet from Hicks Road towards Little. I um I draw I live at [address removed]. I live here with my wife and three grandkids for thirty years and Kid grandkids five. Pictures I've brought will help tell the story which uh I brought here today from nineteen

   1:08:27ninety two when I bought and there was nothing here. and the drainage was fine. However, the water table in this area is really high. and being there thirty years, I watched it rise and fall with each storm. And as I notice with a pattern of the storms, once they start in June, They're basically the storm going the same pattern. So if they're going the by Mexico side, we got more of the Mexico. But all we need in this area is one good storm. And we're flooded. Okay, because the water table is as it

   1:08:57is. And there's many lakes and there's many ponds that are up to eight feet. and uh mine and pictures that I provide. This here is like eight feet deep. and I found refrigerators and washers that wandered in and drowned. Uh when I bought the place. All right, so uh n the what I worry about most, because it's a closed basin where I live there at Hicks. That's all closed basin from New York Avenue all. And people are building in there and they haven't got a clue until

   1:09:27we get a big storm. And we're gonna get one, maybe two. Alright, so the roofs, driveways, asphalt, everything is gonna have runoff. Runoff from every damn building. Well what's gonna happen? Where's that runoff gonna go? Because there ain't no drainage. The drainage right now goes through the ground. Everything flows through the ground. You can stand right here and think you're dry, but four feet or below you is is a water table, and that's everywhere. We're talking everywhere. And if you look at that property, drive around that that Hudson Hicks Little back

   1:09:58to Hudson and you'll see exactly what I'm talking about. Now, like I said, I'm 69 and I'm not really adequate at telling you what, and I don't care what you build there. But the bottom line is if you don't adj address the drainage I'm gonna flood all the time. And I got a beautiful piece of property, and I own it. And I've been there a long time, so I can tell you what I'm saying. You better watch out because there's gonna be a time when we're gonna get more water than we can handle. Hicks already floods. And you

   1:10:28know, down at the other end of Hudson and Hicks, they were gonna develop that, and that's got a big lake everybody fishes in. And that baby's deep, and then it can only hold so much. The last time the guy I I was here in 2008. We had a drought and that's what happened why the water was down so we were in drought. And the bottom line was, yeah, you could build, but the bottom line too is once we get our rain back, which is coming now, we're all gonna flood. And me, I'm just trying to like point it out ahead of time because it's coming and

   1:10:58that area there is not safe to build in. Like I said, I don't care what you build, but the roofs, the ashfall driveways and all that's gonna run off. And you better have a place for it to run off too. Because right now you don't. And if you don't have a place to run that water to, What's the use in building? I mean I'm I'm all for building and and and and family homes is cool and I haven't had a problem with it. But you gotta address the drainage and right there there is no drainage. I've worked on this for a while, but

   1:11:28like I said, I went back to college in 96 and I studied this. I studied the soil, Candler soil, and you can't build on it. You gotta bring in tons of soil, tons of sand to build on. And if you go over to drive over on Little Road where I'm talking at Upland Drive in Little, they had to build that place up like eight feet. And you have to drive up to get to it. And all that does is impede the natural flow. Because the water travels through the ground all out to the ocean. And it only can go out in the ocean two times a day at low tide. At

   1:11:59high tide, even the water coming in impedes the natural flow. Do you see where I'm coming from? Now I don't dress good and I don't look good, and that's why I brought my patent. But I'm smart and I'm smart enough to know if you don't address this drainage here. We're gonna be S U N K. I thank you for your cooperation in this matter and I hope uh I in I gave you some insight to uh What's going on at this part of uh Pasco County? 'Cause I know you commissioners know your stuff. And you especially you do, Charles. I

   1:12:29appreciate w the way you handled other things. Thank you. Good day.

   Charles GreyChair

   1:12:33Um I just want you to understand that that as a as a zoning board we don't we don't decide how they developed. All we got all we decide is whether the location is appropriate. Now we understand This property is already approved for eighty four units. So they're not they're not asking to build more units. And I I think uh Ms. Will Heights And what she said was true. is that I think it's gonna be a better utilization

   1:13:04of the land if we do Uh town home, uh to Town Home project. or where they own the home rather than Just rental units like a duplex. So I think I think that would be serve the property better.

   Barry Bailey

   1:13:19So

   Charles GreyChair

   1:13:19we we we can do what we can to approve it, improve it, but we can't change what it already is. It already is approved for eighty four units.

   Barry Bailey

   1:13:28I understand. Sega says there's a lot I don't understand, but I just wanted to point out this is is so important to to address this drainage, cause if you don't, and whoever the developer doesn't and builds that property up four to six feet, like that gentleman was talking before me. There's gonna flood. And not only that, it's gonna be right in my house. And as and like I said, there's gonna be a lot of other people that should be talking today too about it's gonna be in their house too. Yeah.

   Charles GreyChair

   1:13:56I understand that When they do develop it, if they develop it. that they're gonna have to develop in such a way that they d don't create extra runoff. on the other properties. So Yeah, if if you're talking to an engineer, they'll explain that to you. Maybe Jamie, he's an engineer, maybe he'll He'll explain it to you. I don't know. But

   Barry Bailey

   1:14:16Jamie, I appreciate you you taking the time if you do. But like I said, the only thing I worry about is the thanks so much the engineers. You guys know what you're doing. It's the developers start bringing in cheap soil and building it up and they say they give you a permit for four feet and then they build eight feet. You know what I'm saying? And then the the regular guy like me that he's flooded out and he's He's sitting there in in the kitchen watching fish go by and he's thinking, Man, I should have said something else when I was there. Uh like I said, I'm

   1:14:46just trying to point out the importance to the uh drainage thing here because like I said, like I said I know it, thirty years I know it, and I watch it. I know the water table of every minute of every day within a few inches all the time. Because I can watch it.

   Charles GreyChair

   1:15:02Okay.

   Barry Bailey

   1:15:03Nobody does.

   Charles GreyChair

   1:15:04Well thank you for coming and appreciate your help. Have a good day. Okay. Workers.

   1:15:16I think we have one more. Okay. Yes, sir. You give us your name and address. My name's

   Unidentified speakerVoice D

   1:15:22uh Robert Hicks and I Um live at [address removed], but I own [address removed]. I own five lots and three residences there. And uh I'm not opposed to the development. It's gonna happen one way or the other. And uh the thing that I'm concerned about The gentleman just spoke. I have a daughter in high school. Great high school. I got a son on his way home from college that got a full both scholarship out of there and uh Geographically,

   1:15:52it's a great area.

   1:16:00I drive my daughter even though I live one mile from the school every day to school because I won't let her walk. Because when I come out on Hicks Row It's like All hail broke loose between the buses. They do a great job, but now next year they've announced that every child within two miles of the school must walk. How do they get down Kitten Trail? How do they get down Hicks Road without getting hit? I watch his children, his grandchildren, every morning, standing He

   1:16:30blocked the road by the way, but that's okay 'cause the cars can't get through and I don't have to worry about it. I watch his children standing behind the Upland Drive sign to nowhere where the bus is coming by waiting to be picked up by the bus. They're two inches from those children every morning when I round that road. That's my biggest concern. The other concern I have I have all these great uh gopher turtles. They walk around my yard. And uh, you know, I planted my olive trees, you know, my beehives and all this other stuff. I'm

   1:17:01an old man with young children, a single parent. It's a great place. Uh I hope they take into consideration and don't do what they did with the others and take every damn trio. and everything. Because when you walk through there, it's a nice spot, a nice piece of property, circles the park, it's a great area. We need sidewalks. We need crosswalks. And we need better access. for these kids to get back and forth. My daughter

   1:17:31walks to the park. On Friday afternoon to meet with the kids. God help me, she's getting her driver's permit next month. Okay.

   1:17:41I'm seventy five years old, yes. Well a fifteen year old.

   1:17:46I love it. Okay. So I'm not opposed to the subdivision, but somebody's got to look at the interstructure. And by the way, if you want, you can pave my road. Yeah.

   1:17:57And leave it dead-ended. I'd be great. I'd be

   Charles GreyChair

   1:18:00happy. Thank you. Thank you for coming. Appreciate your comments. Is there anyone else?

   1:18:08Um

   1:18:11Do you have something to say about the schools or the access or anything like that you would mention?

   Unidentified speakerVoice A

   1:18:17Oh.

   1:18:19You know, well you probably saw in the paper, you know, with our shortage of bus drivers and you know, we're just trying to You know. We do a lot of courtesy busing and so just so everybody knows What does that mean? So the state reimburses us for transporting students who are outside of the two mile walk zone. Mm-hmm.

   1:18:40But anybody inside that two mile walk zone who who is not in officially designated um um areas where it's dangerous or deemed dangerous that we have to transport then were footing that bill and what the shorters of bus drivers and Staff we just can't afford to keep doing all all the courtesy bus routes that we're doing. So we're trying to scale that back. But that makes it makes it hard if there aren't sidewalks

   1:19:11and Ways of pedestrian access to get to those schools. So it's certainly a a difficult thing. So maybe Barbara can l

   Charles GreyChair

   1:19:19enlighten us on the that part of it, the sidewalk issue and the

   Unidentified speakerVoice A

   1:19:23and I'd also and I was also gonna mention that I'd like to hear if if this particular property is in a basin, uh a closed basin or not. And certainly if it is, then I know the engineers will be looking at that.

   Barbara Wilhite

   1:19:35Sure, Barbara Will High and Our engineer is here. Um and heard that testimony and can speak to some of those issues and answer your question. Um with regard to schools and walking, I walk to school. Back and forth to Ritchie Fundamental Elementary, back and forth from seven oh gosh it was Gulf Middle and then Gulf High. My brother wouldn't drive me um to Gulf High even though he had a car. I still had to walk. So I'm familiar with walking a mile, two miles each way to schools. Um

   1:20:05in any but I uh we will be paying we'll be doing s a sidewalk across the front of our project as required and we'll be paying our mobility for the fees for for uh bike ped which is part of the mobility fee now breaks down into different segments for things like right-of-way, roads, bike ped, and transit. And so we'll be paying those those fees.

   1:20:25The Hicks is a standard road, it's a vision road, it's a collector road. And um as far as the property's been res six, the vision for the property has been this density for I calculated at 32 years. Um that's when we did the comp plan. Yeah. Something that's always I like to point out for townhomes and is that it's homeownership but it's also they're commonly maintained, common architecture and common maintenance. You have a POA property owners association,

   1:20:56unlike a single family development where you pay the homeowners association and they chase after your neighbors to keep the houses nice. in a townhome you pay the association to keep your property nice and all your neighbors property nice. So you and with the POA we have sidewalk drainage neighborhood park and all those things for for a project like this. So Um I appreciate all of the comments. We will have a a good project here. We'll fit in nicely. It's great to hear the schools are great. I know they're great because

   1:21:27I know a lot of people that that went to Hudson High when I went to Golf High and they've done well in life as well. So um let me bring up our engineer to talk uh specifics with you.

   Charles GreyChair

   1:21:37Thank you, Barbara.

   Unidentified speakerVoice E

   1:21:43Uh good afternoon. My name is Jesse Blackstock with Blackstock Engineering, located at 1646 West Snow Avenue in Tampa, Florida. Just to answer some of the questions and also address some of the concerns, I think from a drainage standpoint, just overall, holistically, on any development in the state of Florida as well as Pasco County directly, you cannot increase the runoff from your development once you increase the amount of impervious area. So as we develop the site with roads and and townhomes and sidewalks of that nature, we have to offset that runoff that's being generated with a

   1:22:13pond. So our retention or detention pond in this case will handle our runoff to a la no uh to Discharge no less than what's leaving the site now in existing conditions. And and to that point we can't alter the drainage pattern. So That goes both ways. We have a wetland on this site towards the west of the site in the rear. So we can't decrease the amount of runoff to that wetland from our pond. So the standard design would basically be a pond adjacent to the wetland to let the site drain from Hicks Road westward

   1:22:43to a pond and let that pond off-site discharge into that wetland. Which is on our site, but part of it's off-site. It's not an isolate wetland. So to keep in mind, just we can't decrease the amount of runoff to that well, and otherwise it will cause concerns for swift mud. Otherwise, we would be choking that wetland or starving it. So if it's a flooding condition, that's one thing. We can't increase the flooding conditions, but if it's a wetland, it's got a certain seasonal high water table, we can't, as Clark was saying on the previous project, we can't de-water that wetland. By choking back our site more than

   1:23:13it already is discharging. Uh from a closed basin standpoint, I'm not aware of it being in a special area of concern for Swift Mode or the County. I'm not aware of it being in a closed basin. But of course, if it was, it's got its own separate separate set of criteria that our palm would have to be designed for once we got to that point, which would be additional holding back additional water. So if you're in a closed basin, basically you cannot discharge your site in a hundred-year storm event, which is basically equal to a Cat one, cat two storm as far as hurricanes go. So if you got any questions I'd be happy to answer them.

   Charles GreyChair

   1:23:41Yeah, I mean I don't think we're we're we're not in the business of controlling how you How you develop the site. Uh just whether it's an appropriate Yeah. But I I am interested as a citizen in How you how you you see the site developing in terms of people that one of the things they've consistently ask about is are the trees what are you gonna do, are you gonna Knock every tree down or you gonna try to mitigate that or

   Unidentified speakerVoice E

   1:24:09w without a site plan being that this is not a planned development, so we don't have a d dedicated site plan. Of course we have got concepts that we've laid out. I mean I think some things to keep in mind for a site like this, because it has a wetland, all of the trees with from the twenty-five foot buffer offset that wetland line are gonna be maintained. We can't impact the buffer unless we seek special approval from both the county and Swift Mud with fill. So if there is any fill that would be

   1:24:30a good thing.

   1:24:31Necessitate removal of a tree, we have to get special approval for that. So you're gonna be left with on the site, it's 14 some odd acres. I forget how big the wetland is, but that entire wetland will be state vegetated just like it is today. And then we also have to, if I'm not mistaken, and Barbara can correct me if I'm wrong, but there is a special requirement within the county's code with respect to park reservation space. So if it if the grading is such that we can save existing trees beyond the footprint of The wetlands, we would certainly do so, as well as between units themselves. The way the uh deed restrictions are on

   1:25:01this, there's no more than eight units side by side as far as attached. So you'll have eight at a maximum, you'll have eight units, eight units, eight units. And the thing to point out is that this is for townhomes. Typical, you know, we don't have a builder yet, but typical townhomes are 20-foot-wide, 50 to 60 foot deep max, which is a lot smaller than some single-family homes. So we're already shrinking the footprint of the homes, if you will, that we're gonna have areas in larger rear yards, if you will, in town homes developments, larger common areas, to Barbara's point earlier. So that's a good thing. Yeah, I mean no developer wants to whack

   1:25:31a entire site and have no trees left if they can manage it. It's just sometimes with stormwater, you have a potential to have a little bit of fill required, but on this site we're actually high. And we have as uh the gentleman was pointing out, we have Candler soils. Candler soils are highly uh per porosity, so we don't really see a lot of fill having to be brought into the site as opposed to other developments in the area. So Well thank you. I appreciate

   Charles GreyChair

   1:25:54your time. Are there any other questions up here?

   Jaimie GirardiVice Chair

   1:25:56Just a comment responding to Chris's comment about the sidewalk. So And the change in busing. So that was actually an issue that was brought up at the last MPO meeting. And the MPO board expressed a great deal of concern about us having inadequate sidewalks to the schools. The I think it is a high priority for our board to get that issue dealt with. There is a program called Safe Routes to Schools, but it is a fairly slow process to get sidewalks built. Um there

   1:26:27was one discussion by at least one commissioner that said that maybe we should be looking at spending Penny for Pasco money as part of the renewal. to prioritize all of these sidewalks and get them built quickly. Um but we probably need cooperation from the school district. to identify the all the locations where there's a an immediate need to get a sidewalk built so we can get them on A penny for Pasco lists. So Just Chris and I could have had this conversation offline, but I thought everybody should be aware that the our board

   1:26:57is concerned about that issue We just need cooperation from the school district to identify where the where the money needs to be spent.

   Unidentified speakerVoice A

   1:27:06Yeah.

   1:27:08for everybody's knowledge too, there is a traffic safety committee that meets that i involves uh folks from the county traffic from the sheriff's office, from our school folks, transportation, et cetera, that that meet once a month and look at traffic related and pedestrian related and so I'm sure they'll be involved in

   Jaimie GirardiVice Chair

   1:27:30I'm just saying we have an opportunity now to get it on the penny list. And I would think the voters would support getting these sidewalks built so for safe Yeah.

   1:27:41But we just need to know where The proper locations are to do that.

   Unidentified speakerVoice A

   1:27:44Yes.

   Jaimie GirardiVice Chair

   1:27:46Thank you.

   Charles GreyChair

   1:27:46Yeah, I mean like like like Barbara, I went to Golf High too and I I I walked a lot and rode my bike a lot and buthill both ways. In the snow. In the snow. And and uh But the one difference is is that there was there wasn't a traffic back then. No, right, no, right. So I mean I could play football out in the street and it wouldn't be a problem, you know. Yeah, you'd say you can't do that. So you know, it it's it is a my valid concern and

   1:28:17I think it's something that we need to as a county address. So I'm glad you brought that up. Thank you, sir, and thank you very much. Thank you. For your time. Okay. Anything else?

   1:28:30If not. Do you hear a motion?

   Unidentified speakerVoice C

   1:28:33Motion to approve. It's second.

   Charles GreyChair

   1:28:36A motion and a second. Any further discussion? All in favor signifies by saying aye. Aye. Opposed, like, sign? Okay, much curious.

   Denise

   1:28:51I think you're now on item P ten.

   Christopher Poole

   1:28:55Damn, I

   Jaimie GirardiVice Chair

   1:28:56almost overlooked

2. 2May 17, 2022
   Board of County CommissionersP76Public hearingContinued

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   Approved to continue the item to the June 21, 2022 Board of County Commissioners meeting at 1:30 p.m. in New Port Richey.

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   Kathryn StarkeyChair

   57:37item? No one has signed up for this item and no one on WebEx. Leave it on consent. I'll accept a motion for consent.

   Jack MarianoVice Chair

   57:45So moved.

   Kathryn StarkeyChair

   57:47I need a second. Second. Second. All in favor? Aye. Opposed? All right.

   Denise

   57:52Uh P seventy five. Madam Chair, would you would it be okay to take P seventy-six prior to P seventy five? Because it's actually a continuance and I should have read it right after the withdrawal, but I got a little bit excited about our conversation about Ozinham. Okay.

   Ron Oakley

   58:07So P seventy six is a continuance.

   Denise

   58:09I know there's folks that are here to speak to the matter, but perhaps we can explain that because the request we we just received a request for continuance three hours prior prior to this. On P seventy six? Yes. Okay. Let

   Ron Oakley

   58:21me six on P seventy six is published on the Tampa Bay Times on April

   Denise

   58:27sixth, twenty twenty two. So P76 is PDD 227609. It's a zoning amendment, DND LLC, for a change in zoning from an R4 high density residential district to an MF1 multiple family medium density district. The applicant has requested a continuance to the June 21st, 2022 Board of County Commissioners meeting at 130 in Newport Ritchie.

   Unidentified speakerVoice F

   58:50Madam Chairman M as I normally recomm this was not as an advertised continuance. If there are if there are members of pu the public which cannot attend The meeting on June.

   Denise

   59:04twenty first, twenty twenty two at one thirty in date in Newport Regime.

   Unidentified speakerVoice F

   59:07Um then you can give them an opportunity to speak now. If they speak now, they are precluded from speaking at the next hearing. That but but this since this was an action item, uh I generally recommend that you take public comment from those who cannot attend the The continuance date.

   Kathryn StarkeyChair

   59:26All right, so if you understood that you can you have one opportunity to speak. You can speak today or you can speak um At the June twenty first. June twenty first meeting it's your choice. Would anyone like to speak to this issue today? You can come up to the podium. Uh yeah.

   59:48Would anyone else here like to speak?

   Unidentified speakerVoice F

   59:50And this nice lady has questions, so it might be good to have them on the record. Okay.

   Holly Newman

   59:57Hi. It's my first time ever coming, so I apologize. Welcome. Name and address. My name is Holly Newman. I live at [address removed] And

   Unidentified speakerVoice F

   1:00:13you've been sworn?

   Holly Newman

   1:00:14Oh yes, I did. I stood up.

   Unidentified speakerVoice F

   1:00:15Okay.

   Holly Newman

   1:00:17So I just have a couple of questions and um I live in Timberwood Acres which is near Kitten Trail and Hicks and um I came across the posting on next door. Um I drove out to where this site is supposed to be and these are the questions that a few of our neighbors came up with. Um, I live in a really beautiful community. Uh we're a lot of veterans, so a lot of us served in the armed forces, including myself and my husband. We have a lot of firefighters, um,

   1:00:47EMT, police officers, a few of us are still working as civil service folks. And these are the questions that all of our neighbors came up with. Uh the concerns are the flooding to the adjacent areas, including Little Road, all the way to Denton Avenue. Has there been a traffic study the increased traffic to Hicks? Hicks, Kitten Trail, Hudson, and New York, It's already extremely difficult

   1:01:17to turn on to Hicks and Kitten Trail. What steps are being taken to ensure PASCO Fire Rescue can handle this influx? According to the Pulse Point, we often go Signal forty, which means no available rescue ambulance for medical or fire calls for service. The impact to the already strained schools, we have a lot of children in our 37 HOA residence area. So these are the concerns that our neighbors

   1:01:48are having right now. And those are the only questions I have. I apologise for hitting you with these. And that's it. That's all I have for y'all. Okay, thank you very much. Thank you so much. You all have a great day.

   Kathryn StarkeyChair

   1:02:00All right. Does anyone else want to speak to this one today?

   1:02:06Okay. Then um

   Ron Oakley

   1:02:09and there is no one on WebEx for this item. Okay.

   Kathryn StarkeyChair

   1:02:13Take a motion to continue. Motion to continue.

   1:02:23Oh we already ended? Sorry. Second. Uh all in favor? Aye. Opposed? Like I said, if Oakley wasn't sick, I'd be home. Uh P seventy-five.

3. 3Jun 21, 2022
   Board of County CommissionersP81Public hearingApproved

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   Approved Staff’s recommendation with the conditions as the applicant has agreed including to have the 8-foot wide trail running to the south to Veteran’s Park with the exception to where there is a sinkhole and with the limit of 84 townhomes.

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   Jack MarianoVice Chair

   1:40:30Thank

   Nikki Alvarez

   1:40:31you. P um eighty one. Item B eighty one was published in Tampe Times on April sixth, twenty twenty-two.

   Liam Devine

   1:40:41Liam Devine, Planning and Development. Item P eighty one.

   Unidentified speakerVoice F

   1:40:47Sorry.

   Liam Devine

   1:40:48PDD twenty-two-seven six zero nine in the name of D D L L C it is a zoning amendment from R4 High Density Residential District to MF1 Multifilming Medium Density District. The subject site is located on the west side of Hicks Road, approximately a quarter mile south of New York Avenue. And this is a look at the aerial view. The surrounding future land use to the north, south, east, and west is all res six. The surrounding zoning to the north east and south is all A R and to the west is P U D, the Highland Ridge

   1:41:18Subdivision.

   1:41:22The subject site is currently undeveloped on approximately 14.03 acres. The applicant is proposing to develop the property with 84 townhomes in conformance with the M W MF1 Multifamily Medium Density District standards. The applicant has volunteered to record a deed restriction to for the property as included in your agenda packet. Access to the property is from Hicks Road, a county-maintained collector road with approximately 50 feet of right-of-way. That varies. And the subject area the subject site has a feature

   1:41:53land use classification of res six under the comprehensive plan. This is coming with a recommendation for approval from Planning Commission and Planning and Development Department. I'm here if you have any questions.

   Jack MarianoVice Chair

   1:42:03Madam Clerk.

   Unidentified speakerVoice G

   1:42:06Yeah.

   Jack MarianoVice Chair

   1:42:06Um question. How many wetlands are on the site?

   Liam Devine

   1:42:11I I there is

   1:42:15You know what? I will have to double check for you. I believe there is a wetland. I think it's a category three, but I can I can verify that for you.

   Jack MarianoVice Chair

   1:42:21Uh and um From the map from the map that was on the drawing from earlier drawings, I guess. It shows it's on the west side of the property in the center part.

   Liam Devine

   1:42:31I'm sorry, can you repeat

   Jack MarianoVice Chair

   1:42:32that

   Liam Devine

   1:42:32again?

   Jack MarianoVice Chair

   1:42:35Um you have your n note you want to pull it up?

   Liam Devine

   1:42:40Yes. I I don't we do if you're talking about the wetlands on the map, we'll have to pull up Pasco Mapper and we can pull that up and you can look at the wetlands.

   Jack MarianoVice Chair

   1:42:48All right. If someone can do that while you while we keep talking or Yep. Okay. Um Next question. We get a five-foot sidewalk. I had talked I had met with the applicant. We talked about putting a trail running down to the south.

   Unidentified speakerVoice G

   1:43:03Now you're talking

   Jack MarianoVice Chair

   1:43:05There may be some restrictions as far as how much room is there, but I'd like to see a wider than five foot sidewalk. I mean the the part of this development is a lot of a lot of intensity, which we'll talk about in a minute too, to go all the way down there. I want to make it easy for the families to be able to just go right down to Veterans Park, right down the hill. And they're willing to go work if we give them Uh mobility fee credits, which is good. to make that connection happen because otherwise it wouldn't happen. Um have you looked at that 'cause I don't see anything in here other than the five foot sidewalk.

   Liam Devine

   1:43:34So if you actually look into this deed restrictions, and I'm sure I can let the applicant speak to that, um, in that deed restriction, they're agreeing to um commit to a DA that would include that five-foot-wide um sidewalk along the eastern portion of the property, um, and they would get mobility fee credits for that. That's included in that deed restriction in your package.

   Jack MarianoVice Chair

   1:43:56Right, but I didn't want to. just a five foot sidewalk. If it made wider, I don't like to make it make it wider. So

   Liam Devine

   1:44:02that that's a voluntary deed restriction, so you would have to speak um with the applicant to see if they are agreeing to go wider than that.

   Jack MarianoVice Chair

   1:44:08Okay. Uh and if you would pull up let's pull up the wetlands.

   1:44:36Okay, so it just shows it's at Upland Drive.

   Liam Devine

   1:44:39That

   Jack MarianoVice Chair

   1:44:39is correct. Okay. Yeah the the the other map that I saw it shows more like it's on the other end of the property too, but It doesn't seem to show it here.

   Liam Devine

   1:44:50I'm I'm not sure what other map you're referring to.

   Jack MarianoVice Chair

   1:45:02It's under exhibit a legal description.

   Kathryn StarkeyChair

   1:45:06Are you seeing my text?

   Jack MarianoVice Chair

   1:45:10It's got a circle there. I'm not sure why the circle was drawn, I guess. We'll try to zoom in.

   Kathryn StarkeyChair

   1:45:15Um Jack, you need to cover per second.

   Unidentified speaker

   1:45:28I'll I'll

   Liam Devine

   1:45:29defer to the applicant on what the circle is for for their exhibit A. That would be their survey they submitted for the property. That could be maybe a proposed water retention pond area. I'm not quite sure off the top of my head.

   Jack MarianoVice Chair

   1:45:40It says approximate limits of flood zones. Zone A. And it's kinda like if you look at where

   1:45:49So I guess the lower edge or center edge there's looks like there's something flu different than the rest of the terrain. On the left side portion of the screen that's up there. Kinda with this with the n numbers of nine seven eleven to nine

   Liam Devine

   1:46:05That could be elevations on that exhibit A. I don't have that in front of me. So I don't know for sure. So I'll defer to the applicant to answer exactly what's on their survey.

   Jack MarianoVice Chair

   1:46:13Okay. Because I'm just wondering, can you be can it have we looked at that, whether it can be built on that or not? 'Cause it's like I said, it says approximate maps of flood zones.

   Liam Devine

   1:46:24W what I can tell you is the property does have two different flood zones on it. There is a A and X on it. Um so that could be the lower lying area of flood zone A.

   Jack MarianoVice Chair

   1:46:35I mean both both say flood zone A. On both both Pieces around it.

   1:46:43All right, why don't we let the applicant talk and if you would go take a look at the map? Yeah.

   1:46:50Well there it is here. Here it is.

   1:46:54So look yeah, so look on the left side of the screen.

   Liam Devine

   1:46:57Yep, so I can confirm that's just showing the difference between the flood zones. So that circular part that you're seeing, that's the lower lying flood zone A. Okay.

   Jack MarianoVice Chair

   1:47:06Sorry. Did any conversation come up about Upland Drive where the wetland shows it's coming across that? Or is that any part of any conversation?

   Liam Devine

   1:47:13No, they're not proposing any access to the Upland Drive, only express.

   1:47:22I would defer to our our access team. Stacy Burgess is, I believe she may be online. She can um refer to that. She's the one who who looked at the timing and phasing and substandard.

   Jack MarianoVice Chair

   1:47:33Okay.

   Barbara Wilhite

   1:47:39Barbara Well High 6327 Grand Boulevard, New Port Richey Florida, for the applicant. With regard to the sidewalk, it's an off site improvement um down to the park. It's proposed at five feet. The um the bike ped fees are your m mill mobility fee. Will generate thirteen thousand six hundred and eight dollars. That improvement that my clients agreed to at five feet is a thirty to forty thousand dollar improvement. So we're already upside down, which means my clients putting more into the off site improvement

   1:48:09voluntarily than they'd be able to get back in mobility fee credits. So to do anything more, we're really getting to the point of it being um pretty difficult for a small project to do that. Um if there's some way to get mobility fee credits against something other than the bet bike ped, um portion, if it's can roadway portion because maybe it's safety or something, then we would have a larger budget to work with. But right now they're already fronting paying for um This off site improvement other than thirteen thousand six

   1:48:39hundred and eight dollars of it.

   Jack MarianoVice Chair

   1:48:42Well, we're looking for a significant amount of people to go into a small piece of property. Um and there's a park right down the street that the ki people are gonna go to. So I thought we had conversation we pretty well agreed whatever credit you could get you'd get. But if not we'd still get the road done or the path done as wide as we could. Um L let me ask this. When we talk, did we talk about doing less units than eighty four?

   Barbara Wilhite

   1:49:06No, no, you we're fine with eighty four.

   Jack MarianoVice Chair

   1:49:09Didn't didn't you s tell me that they had plans before that we didn't think it was getting more than the fifties?

   Barbara Wilhite

   1:49:16So right now they're a while ago we talked so it helped me understand. We have R4 zoning, which allows a maximum number of units, which I just shuffled my paperwork here. eighty-four units under the current zoning and it's got a special exception for duplexes, which allows forty-two duplexes and or eighty few eighty-four units. So keeping density the same.

   Jack MarianoVice Chair

   1:49:39What w what was the plan that we talked about? I thought you showed me that there was a plan that was less density, I thought.

   Barbara Wilhite

   1:49:45You got um the engineer's got all those details. We're gonna have we're gonna have to get him up here. I don't I don't know.

   Unidentified speakerVoice E

   1:50:00Hey, good afternoon. Jesse Blackstock for the record for uh 1646 West Snow Avenue, Tampa, Florida. Uh and you've been sworn? I have, yes. Thank you.

   1:50:11The question regarding the number of units in terms of what can be achieved on the site, with taking into account what the other thing is.

   Jack MarianoVice Chair

   1:50:16No, no, no. What I'm asking is when we had our conversation, we we talked about I thought eighty four was a high number. And then you said I thought it was you. It was someone else in the room. that the plans that were already in place were actually From design from twenty years ago, whatever. Correct. It was more like fifty units.

   Unidentified speakerVoice E

   1:50:36Yeah, correct. It was actually forty-eight to be exact. Yeah, the number of units previously was forty-eight, and it was not a townhome product, it was single family homes, but they were narrower units. They were probably thirty to forty foot wide. So when you introduce the fact that we're doing townhomes, we may be able to get more than forty-eight on the property. But still gotta take into account the wetlands and the floodplain and the stormwater and all that. So one of one of the things I'd point out is the challenge for the eight-foot path is the red is what's showing wetlands. But when you look at the national wetlands inventory uh of wetlands, obviously it

   1:51:06would have to be flagged. But the area that's around that uh S-shaped or kidney bean-shaped uh uh for lack of a better word, closed basin sinkhole. Around that you're gonna have a bigger buffer, a bigger wetland. So it's gonna be an impact as it is probably even with the five foot sidewalk. So the eight foot, it's substantial when you look at the map. It you doesn't look that way on the Pasco Mappers website, but on the national one there is one. We also have a wetland to our s western edge where that floodplain is showing, we had uh Merriman Environmental

   1:51:37go out and flag that wetland. It's just not formalized yet with Swift Munda with the county. But obviously once we get past this point it would be. So there's areas we have to stay out of to the west of us. And it kind of links up with the wetlands to the south of the existing single family to our west.

   Jack MarianoVice Chair

   1:51:52Okay. Looking at the map to the right, we'll talk this to the trail first. Your first section of your property you can do how much how much you probably can do as far as the width of a trail?

   Unidentified speakerVoice E

   1:52:04On our property, I mean, per Co we're doing the five-foot sidewalk, but if we have to do the trail, it would be obviously bigger, it would probably be eight foot, I would imagine. Multi-two.

   Jack MarianoVice Chair

   1:52:14I would be comfortable with a so for you to go for your property Down to the next section down looks okay when it gets to that sinkhole area. Maybe you could put just some elevated type of

   1:52:29We have to put a wooden bridge going across it to kinda get it so you don't have the impact, whatever. one way or the other rather than filling it in to which I don't think it could do. Yeah,

   Unidentified speakerVoice E

   1:52:37but that's what I'm getting at. Yeah. I mean it's I

   Jack MarianoVice Chair

   1:52:39think so I don't mind if I don't mind if it shrinks at that point there, but for the rest of it it should be should be wide enough for a trail except for around that area.

   Unidentified speakerVoice E

   1:52:48Yeah. I don't know the right of way width, but yeah. For us we're having a daycare right away. It's a little tougher as you go say, I don't know, without a survey it's hard to know.

   Barbara Wilhite

   1:52:57So the condition says subject to permitting, so or the deed restriction. Yeah. So uh did we answer your question about the density?

   Jack MarianoVice Chair

   1:53:07Uh you did. Um And again, so when we talked you didn't think you were probably gonna get the density that we were going for, but in the item it says not only do you want the eighty four, but if it all allows you to get more, you would want to put more units in that.

   Barbara Wilhite

   1:53:20No no no it's eighty four. It's count at eighty four.

   1:53:27Very clearly eighty four, which is the res six density, the maximum density under res six. It's the maximum density today under R four. You gotta remember it's res six. It's on a vision road. It's on a road where you're gonna put future transit. I usually don't see that very often when I look at the long range transportation plan. It's kind of unusual to see where you're going to do future bus service. So pretty important road. Um makes sense to have density on it. Your land use plan says to put density on it. Your

   1:53:57schools are under capacity in that area. Your road is standard and so you know with those things those are the reasons why um the townhomes make sense. Town homes are they're fee simple, so people they're homes that people can buy, which we need more of. um they're maintained, commonly maintained by a HOA. So all of those things um lead towards it being that being the right you know density number. To allow for a townhome project. And

   1:54:28the f the it's just a matter of the money on uh for that sidewalk. Uh unfortunately our We only generate thirteen thousand worth worth of mobility fees, uh thirteen thousand in change. So we're already paying like three times that they're gonna pay it out of their pocket. Um to put that site off site sidewalk in. So I'm open to solutions if anybody has a solution on w how we can get more credits.

   Jack MarianoVice Chair

   1:54:53Yeah, so let me go to

   Barbara Wilhite

   1:54:55that would be the that would be the solution. I mean we're absolutely happy to do it.

   Jack MarianoVice Chair

   1:54:58So again, I was expecting you to come with a an a a lower density number. Section two A on the uh Applicant it says the applicant has volunteered to record a deed restriction. to the property for the following restrictions. There should be a maximum of t eighty-four townhomes in the property unless otherwise approved by the county through a subsequent rezoning of the property.

   Barbara Wilhite

   1:55:18Right. So if we came back and changed the land use in the future and wanted to change this deed restriction, it's saying that you can change the deed restriction by going back through the process.

   1:55:30So it's just a d it's the way the deed restrictions, that's a standard way our deed restrictions um are written.

   1:55:37Not that any of those things are gonna occur, but

   Jack MarianoVice Chair

   1:55:40Okay. Um Go ahead, Commissioner Starkey.

   Kathryn StarkeyChair

   1:55:47Um Okay. Why is there a Not a tree in front of every townhouse. There is? Okay, what so what am I reading here that it says a uh tree wait, I just saw it. A minimum of two lot trees shall be placed in front of each four unit. So that would be a minimum of four trees in a four unit.

   Unidentified speakerVoice G

   1:56:10So this is your policy? I just did we not update that yet? Or is this something I need to do here today?

   1:56:18Didn't we update the townhomes?

   Unidentified speakerVoice H

   1:56:20You may want to read the in the beginning paragraph. Eat lot each lot shall be required to have one lot tree per lot with the following additional planting requirements. Just uh one lot tree per lot with the additional requirements.

   Kathryn StarkeyChair

   1:56:36Well what are you calling a lot? Can one lot have four homes units on it?

   Christina Fitzpatrick

   1:56:41Well this is gonna be

   Kathryn StarkeyChair

   1:56:42Or

   Denise

   1:56:42is fee simple ownership.

   Kathryn StarkeyChair

   1:56:45So this shows that there's gonna be three trees in a four Huh? It says that there's gonna be three trees in front of a four unit.

   1:56:54So why aren't there four trees in front of a four unit? That's what I'm asking. And here I'm reading Two trees in front of four Units. Am I reading that wrong? In C

   Christina Fitzpatrick

   1:57:08I right above it. Well I'm in C A. Well I says you have one un one tree and then underneath of it it says two more trees for the four and then it says three more trees for the five.

   Jack MarianoVice Chair

   1:57:20So you you want to get it at the minimum one plus

   Kathryn StarkeyChair

   1:57:23I'm not sure it's reading that way. That's what it says. But what what is that Who's who worked on this? My which planner worked on this? So I can understand it's shorting the trick. Is so it's one y house per lot? 'Cause this doesn't make sense to me to say each lot. We'll have a tree and then you can have townhouses. So Is that one It's confusing to me, sorry.

   Liam Devine

   1:57:50I'm I'm sorry, I was stepping away to be able to pull up the deed restrictions online. Which section are you talking about? You're

   Kathryn StarkeyChair

   1:57:55talking about CI? Cm. It says in the in the event that property is subdivided and developed to create townhouses or duplexes on individual lots. Um So if you have a little bit of a little bit of a little I mean so I am assuming one townhouse You're not gonna put one townhouse on one lot. That's where I'm confused. Sorry. But maybe you are. I don't know. Maybe Yeah,

   Jack MarianoVice Chair

   1:58:21Brad, get up there and help.

   Kathryn StarkeyChair

   1:58:23Help me. Help me, I'm sorry.

   Jack MarianoVice Chair

   1:58:26Uh

   Unidentified speakerVoice I

   1:58:26yes, G Simple townhomes are subdivided into individual lots. If you have four units that are attached, it will have lot lines. It'll have four lots.

   Kathryn StarkeyChair

   1:58:36Okay. All right, so each lot will have one Tree. And And then additional Two for every four? Even if they're not on the same S for every four lots you have to add another two? Is that what you're saying? I'm still a slightly.

   Unidentified speakerVoice I

   1:58:58That was carried over. This is what we've been using. Um so it is it is no different.

   Kathryn StarkeyChair

   1:59:06Okay, so it's the first time we're seeing this language then. Because no, Barbara you seen this? No commissioners, this is copy and

   Denise

   1:59:12paste from your policy.

   Kathryn StarkeyChair

   1:59:13Yeah.

   Denise

   1:59:13Yeah.

   Kathryn StarkeyChair

   1:59:14Okay. Um Uh

   1:59:20So it's one plus additional. One plus every other It's weird. I'm sorry.

   Unidentified speakerVoice F

   1:59:27So I hate to venture into this, but you're You've got an MF one multifamily zoning district. In theory if the applicant hadn't restricted it in her deed restriction to townhomes. It could be

   1:59:47A multifamily project. I think that's some of what's what you're getting confused about. But They they have said they're gonna do eighty four townhomes. To do townhomes that way you're gonna have to ha if if they're gonna be fee fee simple They're gonna have to subdivide it. They're gonna be lots. You're gonna get a tree on each lot.

   Kathryn StarkeyChair

   2:00:14Okay, that's all I care about. Okay.

   Barbara Wilhite

   2:00:18And Commissioner, yeah. That language it I'm looking at the deed restriction itself. So there shall be a maximum of eighty-four dwelling units on the property unless otherwise approved by the county. That is pretty vague. So we'll we'll take out unless otherwise approved by the county. 'Cause it says above it under one point one it says here's the deed restriction unless it goes back to our rezoning process. So I get I see your concern. So we can take that language out.

   Jack MarianoVice Chair

   2:00:45All right, well if we can do that and then we can put in eight foot foot wide trail. Except for that one sinkhole there you can get onto a five foot path at that area. I'm gonna be okay with it. Are you okay with that?

   Barbara Wilhite

   2:00:57Let me just ask my client back here.

   2:01:06Okay.

   Jack MarianoVice Chair

   2:01:07I'll make a motion for approval. Remove. We didn't

   Barbara Wilhite

   2:01:09hear public comment yet.

   Jack MarianoVice Chair

   2:01:10Oh I'm sorry.

   Barbara Wilhite

   2:01:11I don't know if there is or isn't. Is there anybody online or anything? But they're all free simple. Madam Clerk, do you want to know about public?

   Kathryn StarkeyChair

   2:01:18So is there anyone here wishing to um speak to this?

   Nikki Alvarez

   2:01:23I have no one signed up for public comment and no one is on WebEx for this item. Okay.

   Jack MarianoVice Chair

   2:01:28Uh Madam Chairman

   Nikki Alvarez

   2:01:29Mariano

   Jack MarianoVice Chair

   2:01:30I'd like to say I'm very happy to see it is fee simple though. I think it's great for our people to be able to own the property and especially in this area here. Uh I'm gonna make a motion with approval with the conditions as the applicants agreed to have a eight foot wide trail running to the south to Veterans Park. Uh with the exception of whether it's a sinkhole out there where it could be a five foot bridge or sidewalk along that way. And with the limit of the eighty foot eighty four town homes. Second.

   Kathryn StarkeyChair

   2:01:56All in favor? Aye. Opposed? Okay. Thank you. Thank you. And P eighty