Zoning Amendment (Consent) – D&D LLC – Change in Zoning from an R-4 High Density Residential District to a MF-1 Multiple-Family Medium Density District – Northwest Pasco County – West of Hicks Road Approximately ¼ Mile South of New York Avenue – Containing Approximately 14.03 Acres

55:55Lleam Divine Planning and Development. Item PC four, PDD twenty-two-seven Dash seven six zero nine in the name of DND L L C it is a zoning amendment from R four High Density Residential District to MF One Multifamily Medium Density District.

56:13Oh.

56:22How's the senior picture?

56:27Oh okay, let me just go back. The subject site is currently located on the west side of Hicks Road, approximately a quarter mile south of New York Avenue. This is a look at the aerial view of the subject site. This is the future land use. To the north, south and west of the subject site is res 6 and to the east is res 3. This is a look at the surrounding zoning. To the northeast and south of the site is AR and to the west is a PUD which allows single-family homes. The

56:58subject site is currently undeveloped on approximately 14.03 acres. The applicant is proposing to develop the property with 84 townhomes in conformance with the MF1 district standards. I would also like to note in 2005, the subject property under its current zoning had an approved special exception to allow duplexes. So currently the site already does allow multifamily dwelling units. Yeah. The applicant has voluntarily uh recorded a deed restriction. Those restrictions are in your agenda packet. Access

57:30to the site, access to the property is from Hicks Road, a county-maintained collector's road with approximately 50 feet of right-of-way. The subject site has a future land use classification of res 6. Currently, the property is zoned R4, which the density would allow 84 single-family dwelling homes. With the proposed rezoning, it would still allow 84 dwelling units. So the density would not be changing. And the recommendation is coming from PDD staff for approval. I'm here if you have any questions. Any

58:00any difficult questions for Liam?

58:04Not difficult. I d got a question for Chris on schools and capacity up in that area and the and the like.

58:10Uh I appreciate you asking that. That's a good question. Um, you know, that's something right now are we have capacity at the high school. Um if you recall we we r we closed Hudson Elementary a couple years ago and we've redone the campus um there in Hudson. uh just remodeled Northwest Elementary, which is now Hudson Primary Academy, and then the middle school which is Hudson Academy. Um so we do have a

58:40little bit of capacity there, not a whole lot. But um, you know, certainly we also own some land on Hicks Road. potentially for a future school site. So it's something we're monitoring. I mean certainly again we're not over necessarily over capacity in that area, but there you know, this project, but Won't generate a lot of students, but there are a lot of projects kinda popping up out there, smaller ones. So we are keeping an eye on it and And um You

59:11know, just monitoring it right now and and trying to figure out Yeah, 'cause we don't want to go build a a big school. when things aren't really overcrowded yet. So that's kind of one thing. Again, I appreciate it. I think I think this particular project doesn't concern me too much, but it's all all the cumulative projects just trying to figure out what we're gonna do in the future. Okay. Thanks.

59:38Barbara Wilhite, 6327 Grand Boulevard, New Port Richey for the applicant.

59:45He does a great job. Thank you. Mr. Williams, I've been doing this a long time, getting old. And um I am too. The school board's lucky to have him because we're able to move forward. We're able to move forward with projects and and create housing and he does a great job making sure the schools are there. So we support the school board a hundred and ten percent. Thank you. And the the folks that are running it. As Liam had mentioned, the current zoning is R4, allows for 84 homes. We're not increasing the density. We're proposing

1:00:15to do a townhome product already approved for duplexes. What's interesting about duplexes at a special exception under your code is that the duplex unit, the two units, but the duplex building has to be under common ownership. You can't subdivide those. under a sp when you're approved through a special exception. So those turn into a lot of times rentals. This townhome product will be fee simple homes. These will be sold. So it's actually an improvement for the neighbors that would probably have ended up with duplexes that for the most part

1:00:45were rented out opposed to what this approval will do, which actually wipes that out, right? Because when you go to MF1, it wipes that out. And these will be uh MF1 where we we'll do uh V Simple for Sale homes, town homes. The land use is res six. Um all west of Hudson is res six. When I look at this from a Land use standpoint kind of a geek about this. I look at it and go, oh my goodness, this fits all of the things that we're supposed to do.

1:01:16We're talking about a res six uh land use with similar rezoning in the area. Collector road, it's a standard road. The county's already made the investment in that road. It's a vision road. This road has future transit of bus service. When you look at the LTRP for 2040, there's not a lot of roads other than your major roads that have anything planned for future transit, but this one does. So that was kind of unusual as well. It's in the West Market area, it's in your urban service area, it's where we should have density. And

1:01:46we need townhomes. We need to have those townhomes for sale to have a different product type. Traffic wise, because it's eighty-four homes, whether it's duplexes units or it's single family under the current zoning or now we're doing townhomes, it's still eighty-four. So there's no increase in trips over what's approved and we will have to do an access management standard at the construction plan review. And I too like um I did look at the uh at the uh schools as well. Um so

1:02:16I was familiar with uh what uh Mr. Williams was saying regarding the schools and there is a park to the s to the south. Um Veterans Memorial Park is one property to the south. So I'm not sure what the public comment is. I haven't heard. Um so I look forward to hearing what it is and then coming back and answering questions and addressing that. Thank you.

1:02:36Thank you, Barbara.

1:02:39All right. So is anybody else that would like to speak on this topic?

1:02:45Mr. Chair, there is someone online to speak. Do you want to take that person first or do you want to take the gentleman who is here first?

1:02:52Um I think didn't he request extra time or no?

1:02:55No, sir, he did not. Okay.

1:02:57All right. Well let's just go go ahead and take the person online and The wall. In case we have to give extra time.

1:03:06Hello.

1:03:07Yes, go ahead.

1:03:10Hi, my name is Kristen Brindley, um [address removed]. First I would just want to say thank you for taking the time to talk to me. Um there are several things about this development that concern me.

1:03:24I'm sorry, I hate to

1:03:26interrupt

1:03:26you, but want to make sure you've been sworn.

1:03:29Yes, I was there.

1:03:31Okay, thank you.

1:03:33Thank you. Okay, so first being the destruction of the environment. We within a ten mile radius have five new developments going on around us. We have Hayes Road. We have new developments that went up on Hudson Avenue. They're tearing down the trees from Five from the on Five A Road from the library to the hospital. If you go back to Little Road, past Hudson Avenue, mm, everything else is torn down,

1:04:03another development. There's another development going up on New York Avenue. Sir Jess. tearing everything down. This is taken away from the beauty of what Hudson once was. People are telling us every day we need to save the environment, we need to recycle, we need to use reusable bags. And we need to have trees. All of the trees around us have been ripped out for more housing. At some point we have to actually look around and say, What are we doing? We are destroying this area

1:04:33so people can make a dollar. The actual owner of this land called me yesterday on the phone and we talked about what was going in. I explained to him my concerns. And he said he understood what I was saying because he went to Hudson High and he grew up running around in this area. that the places he used to go to are now gone with houses and developments. And I said to him, Then you of all people should understand w where we're coming from with this. His response was, he didn't own the land then and this

1:05:03was just a business deal. to the families that live here, it's not just a deal, it's their home. Secondly, I'd like to talk about the schools. There's schools a street away. those kids in middle school and high school, there is no after school care. They have nowhere to go. They walk over to the They walk over to the rec center for their parents to pick them up. So I feel like the traffic and construction that need to

1:05:34happen would increase Or I'm sorry, would create an unsafe situation for all involved. If you look at the area, you go around a sharp curve on New York Avenue, the Hicks Road, then you're getting around to the curve where there's kitten trail and people are pulling out. There's already multiple accidents every year. But now you want to add another additional hundred and something cars coming in and out. since most families have more than one car. That's just for the

1:06:04time being until they decide they need to expand. And for one final thought, I just want to leave with you. There's a reason that my parents and other families chose Um, not to live I'm sorry, there's other reasons that my parents and other families around us bought land here thirty five, forty years ago. They didn't choose to live in a cookie cutter community, but they wanted to be in the well, they wanted not to be in the hustle and bustle of things. We don't want

1:06:34to be there today. This area is one of the last pieces of what old Hudson used to look like and I don't want to see it destroyed.

1:06:44Okay. Thank you. Thank you very much for your time.

1:06:50All right.

1:06:54Mr. Chairman, we have uh Barry Bailey and R Robert Hicks, I believe.

1:07:01Well, no, he's my grandson that's helping me with this. Right. Who might get pictures too of this area that we're discussing today?

1:07:11Um we can receive and file if you'd like to give them to the young lady over there. Move to receive and file.

1:07:19Second.

1:07:20All in favor?

1:07:21Aye. Aye. Aye.

1:07:22Opposed? The motion carries. Sir are you I assume you're not asking us to receive and file that picture. We'd have to keep it if you want us to I

1:07:30can't I'm sorry sir, I can't hear Sora.

1:07:33Are you asking us to receive and file this picture too or are you just holding it up?

1:07:42No, it's my it's what I type 'cause there's a label in that picture eating the catfish.

1:07:46Okay.

1:07:47Thank you.

1:07:50Uh my name is uh

1:07:51excuse me. You're gonna have to speak right into the microphone and we're gonna need your name and address, please.

1:07:57To begin, I would like to thank this panel for the opportunity to bring this drainage problem of this area to light. My name is Barry Bailey. I'm sixty-nine year old owner of the property adjacent to the property we're discussing today. I own five hundred feet from Hicks Road towards Little. I um I draw I live at [address removed]. I live here with my wife and three grandkids for thirty years and Kid grandkids five. Pictures I've brought will help tell the story which uh I brought here today from nineteen

1:08:27ninety two when I bought and there was nothing here. and the drainage was fine. However, the water table in this area is really high. and being there thirty years, I watched it rise and fall with each storm. And as I notice with a pattern of the storms, once they start in June, They're basically the storm going the same pattern. So if they're going the by Mexico side, we got more of the Mexico. But all we need in this area is one good storm. And we're flooded. Okay, because the water table is as it

1:08:57is. And there's many lakes and there's many ponds that are up to eight feet. and uh mine and pictures that I provide. This here is like eight feet deep. and I found refrigerators and washers that wandered in and drowned. Uh when I bought the place. All right, so uh n the what I worry about most, because it's a closed basin where I live there at Hicks. That's all closed basin from New York Avenue all. And people are building in there and they haven't got a clue until

1:09:27we get a big storm. And we're gonna get one, maybe two. Alright, so the roofs, driveways, asphalt, everything is gonna have runoff. Runoff from every damn building. Well what's gonna happen? Where's that runoff gonna go? Because there ain't no drainage. The drainage right now goes through the ground. Everything flows through the ground. You can stand right here and think you're dry, but four feet or below you is is a water table, and that's everywhere. We're talking everywhere. And if you look at that property, drive around that that Hudson Hicks Little back

1:09:58to Hudson and you'll see exactly what I'm talking about. Now, like I said, I'm 69 and I'm not really adequate at telling you what, and I don't care what you build there. But the bottom line is if you don't adj address the drainage I'm gonna flood all the time. And I got a beautiful piece of property, and I own it. And I've been there a long time, so I can tell you what I'm saying. You better watch out because there's gonna be a time when we're gonna get more water than we can handle. Hicks already floods. And you

1:10:28know, down at the other end of Hudson and Hicks, they were gonna develop that, and that's got a big lake everybody fishes in. And that baby's deep, and then it can only hold so much. The last time the guy I I was here in 2008. We had a drought and that's what happened why the water was down so we were in drought. And the bottom line was, yeah, you could build, but the bottom line too is once we get our rain back, which is coming now, we're all gonna flood. And me, I'm just trying to like point it out ahead of time because it's coming and

1:10:58that area there is not safe to build in. Like I said, I don't care what you build, but the roofs, the ashfall driveways and all that's gonna run off. And you better have a place for it to run off too. Because right now you don't. And if you don't have a place to run that water to, What's the use in building? I mean I'm I'm all for building and and and and family homes is cool and I haven't had a problem with it. But you gotta address the drainage and right there there is no drainage. I've worked on this for a while, but

1:11:28like I said, I went back to college in 96 and I studied this. I studied the soil, Candler soil, and you can't build on it. You gotta bring in tons of soil, tons of sand to build on. And if you go over to drive over on Little Road where I'm talking at Upland Drive in Little, they had to build that place up like eight feet. And you have to drive up to get to it. And all that does is impede the natural flow. Because the water travels through the ground all out to the ocean. And it only can go out in the ocean two times a day at low tide. At

1:11:59high tide, even the water coming in impedes the natural flow. Do you see where I'm coming from? Now I don't dress good and I don't look good, and that's why I brought my patent. But I'm smart and I'm smart enough to know if you don't address this drainage here. We're gonna be S U N K. I thank you for your cooperation in this matter and I hope uh I in I gave you some insight to uh What's going on at this part of uh Pasco County? 'Cause I know you commissioners know your stuff. And you especially you do, Charles. I

1:12:29appreciate w the way you handled other things. Thank you. Good day.

1:12:33Um I just want you to understand that that as a as a zoning board we don't we don't decide how they developed. All we got all we decide is whether the location is appropriate. Now we understand This property is already approved for eighty four units. So they're not they're not asking to build more units. And I I think uh Ms. Will Heights And what she said was true. is that I think it's gonna be a better utilization

1:13:04of the land if we do Uh town home, uh to Town Home project. or where they own the home rather than Just rental units like a duplex. So I think I think that would be serve the property better.

1:13:19So

1:13:19we we we can do what we can to approve it, improve it, but we can't change what it already is. It already is approved for eighty four units.

1:13:28I understand. Sega says there's a lot I don't understand, but I just wanted to point out this is is so important to to address this drainage, cause if you don't, and whoever the developer doesn't and builds that property up four to six feet, like that gentleman was talking before me. There's gonna flood. And not only that, it's gonna be right in my house. And as and like I said, there's gonna be a lot of other people that should be talking today too about it's gonna be in their house too. Yeah.

1:13:56I understand that When they do develop it, if they develop it. that they're gonna have to develop in such a way that they d don't create extra runoff. on the other properties. So Yeah, if if you're talking to an engineer, they'll explain that to you. Maybe Jamie, he's an engineer, maybe he'll He'll explain it to you. I don't know. But

1:14:16Jamie, I appreciate you you taking the time if you do. But like I said, the only thing I worry about is the thanks so much the engineers. You guys know what you're doing. It's the developers start bringing in cheap soil and building it up and they say they give you a permit for four feet and then they build eight feet. You know what I'm saying? And then the the regular guy like me that he's flooded out and he's He's sitting there in in the kitchen watching fish go by and he's thinking, Man, I should have said something else when I was there. Uh like I said, I'm

1:14:46just trying to point out the importance to the uh drainage thing here because like I said, like I said I know it, thirty years I know it, and I watch it. I know the water table of every minute of every day within a few inches all the time. Because I can watch it.

1:15:02Okay.

1:15:03Nobody does.

1:15:04Well thank you for coming and appreciate your help. Have a good day. Okay. Workers.

1:15:16I think we have one more. Okay. Yes, sir. You give us your name and address. My name's

1:15:22uh Robert Hicks and I Um live at [address removed], but I own [address removed]. I own five lots and three residences there. And uh I'm not opposed to the development. It's gonna happen one way or the other. And uh the thing that I'm concerned about The gentleman just spoke. I have a daughter in high school. Great high school. I got a son on his way home from college that got a full both scholarship out of there and uh Geographically,

1:15:52it's a great area.

1:16:00I drive my daughter even though I live one mile from the school every day to school because I won't let her walk. Because when I come out on Hicks Row It's like All hail broke loose between the buses. They do a great job, but now next year they've announced that every child within two miles of the school must walk. How do they get down Kitten Trail? How do they get down Hicks Road without getting hit? I watch his children, his grandchildren, every morning, standing He

1:16:30blocked the road by the way, but that's okay 'cause the cars can't get through and I don't have to worry about it. I watch his children standing behind the Upland Drive sign to nowhere where the bus is coming by waiting to be picked up by the bus. They're two inches from those children every morning when I round that road. That's my biggest concern. The other concern I have I have all these great uh gopher turtles. They walk around my yard. And uh, you know, I planted my olive trees, you know, my beehives and all this other stuff. I'm

1:17:01an old man with young children, a single parent. It's a great place. Uh I hope they take into consideration and don't do what they did with the others and take every damn trio. and everything. Because when you walk through there, it's a nice spot, a nice piece of property, circles the park, it's a great area. We need sidewalks. We need crosswalks. And we need better access. for these kids to get back and forth. My daughter

1:17:31walks to the park. On Friday afternoon to meet with the kids. God help me, she's getting her driver's permit next month. Okay.

1:17:41I'm seventy five years old, yes. Well a fifteen year old.

1:17:46I love it. Okay. So I'm not opposed to the subdivision, but somebody's got to look at the interstructure. And by the way, if you want, you can pave my road. Yeah.

1:17:57And leave it dead-ended. I'd be great. I'd be

1:18:00happy. Thank you. Thank you for coming. Appreciate your comments. Is there anyone else?

1:18:08Um

1:18:11Do you have something to say about the schools or the access or anything like that you would mention?

1:18:17Oh.

1:18:19You know, well you probably saw in the paper, you know, with our shortage of bus drivers and you know, we're just trying to You know. We do a lot of courtesy busing and so just so everybody knows What does that mean? So the state reimburses us for transporting students who are outside of the two mile walk zone. Mm-hmm.

1:18:40But anybody inside that two mile walk zone who who is not in officially designated um um areas where it's dangerous or deemed dangerous that we have to transport then were footing that bill and what the shorters of bus drivers and Staff we just can't afford to keep doing all all the courtesy bus routes that we're doing. So we're trying to scale that back. But that makes it makes it hard if there aren't sidewalks

1:19:11and Ways of pedestrian access to get to those schools. So it's certainly a a difficult thing. So maybe Barbara can l

1:19:19enlighten us on the that part of it, the sidewalk issue and the

1:19:23and I'd also and I was also gonna mention that I'd like to hear if if this particular property is in a basin, uh a closed basin or not. And certainly if it is, then I know the engineers will be looking at that.

1:19:35Sure, Barbara Will High and Our engineer is here. Um and heard that testimony and can speak to some of those issues and answer your question. Um with regard to schools and walking, I walk to school. Back and forth to Ritchie Fundamental Elementary, back and forth from seven oh gosh it was Gulf Middle and then Gulf High. My brother wouldn't drive me um to Gulf High even though he had a car. I still had to walk. So I'm familiar with walking a mile, two miles each way to schools. Um

1:20:05in any but I uh we will be paying we'll be doing s a sidewalk across the front of our project as required and we'll be paying our mobility for the fees for for uh bike ped which is part of the mobility fee now breaks down into different segments for things like right-of-way, roads, bike ped, and transit. And so we'll be paying those those fees.

1:20:25The Hicks is a standard road, it's a vision road, it's a collector road. And um as far as the property's been res six, the vision for the property has been this density for I calculated at 32 years. Um that's when we did the comp plan. Yeah. Something that's always I like to point out for townhomes and is that it's homeownership but it's also they're commonly maintained, common architecture and common maintenance. You have a POA property owners association,

1:20:56unlike a single family development where you pay the homeowners association and they chase after your neighbors to keep the houses nice. in a townhome you pay the association to keep your property nice and all your neighbors property nice. So you and with the POA we have sidewalk drainage neighborhood park and all those things for for a project like this. So Um I appreciate all of the comments. We will have a a good project here. We'll fit in nicely. It's great to hear the schools are great. I know they're great because

1:21:27I know a lot of people that that went to Hudson High when I went to Golf High and they've done well in life as well. So um let me bring up our engineer to talk uh specifics with you.

1:21:37Thank you, Barbara.

1:21:43Uh good afternoon. My name is Jesse Blackstock with Blackstock Engineering, located at 1646 West Snow Avenue in Tampa, Florida. Just to answer some of the questions and also address some of the concerns, I think from a drainage standpoint, just overall, holistically, on any development in the state of Florida as well as Pasco County directly, you cannot increase the runoff from your development once you increase the amount of impervious area. So as we develop the site with roads and and townhomes and sidewalks of that nature, we have to offset that runoff that's being generated with a

1:22:13pond. So our retention or detention pond in this case will handle our runoff to a la no uh to Discharge no less than what's leaving the site now in existing conditions. And and to that point we can't alter the drainage pattern. So That goes both ways. We have a wetland on this site towards the west of the site in the rear. So we can't decrease the amount of runoff to that wetland from our pond. So the standard design would basically be a pond adjacent to the wetland to let the site drain from Hicks Road westward

1:22:43to a pond and let that pond off-site discharge into that wetland. Which is on our site, but part of it's off-site. It's not an isolate wetland. So to keep in mind, just we can't decrease the amount of runoff to that well, and otherwise it will cause concerns for swift mud. Otherwise, we would be choking that wetland or starving it. So if it's a flooding condition, that's one thing. We can't increase the flooding conditions, but if it's a wetland, it's got a certain seasonal high water table, we can't, as Clark was saying on the previous project, we can't de-water that wetland. By choking back our site more than

1:23:13it already is discharging. Uh from a closed basin standpoint, I'm not aware of it being in a special area of concern for Swift Mode or the County. I'm not aware of it being in a closed basin. But of course, if it was, it's got its own separate separate set of criteria that our palm would have to be designed for once we got to that point, which would be additional holding back additional water. So if you're in a closed basin, basically you cannot discharge your site in a hundred-year storm event, which is basically equal to a Cat one, cat two storm as far as hurricanes go. So if you got any questions I'd be happy to answer them.

1:23:41Yeah, I mean I don't think we're we're we're not in the business of controlling how you How you develop the site. Uh just whether it's an appropriate Yeah. But I I am interested as a citizen in How you how you you see the site developing in terms of people that one of the things they've consistently ask about is are the trees what are you gonna do, are you gonna Knock every tree down or you gonna try to mitigate that or

1:24:09w without a site plan being that this is not a planned development, so we don't have a d dedicated site plan. Of course we have got concepts that we've laid out. I mean I think some things to keep in mind for a site like this, because it has a wetland, all of the trees with from the twenty-five foot buffer offset that wetland line are gonna be maintained. We can't impact the buffer unless we seek special approval from both the county and Swift Mud with fill. So if there is any fill that would be

1:24:30a good thing.

1:24:31Necessitate removal of a tree, we have to get special approval for that. So you're gonna be left with on the site, it's 14 some odd acres. I forget how big the wetland is, but that entire wetland will be state vegetated just like it is today. And then we also have to, if I'm not mistaken, and Barbara can correct me if I'm wrong, but there is a special requirement within the county's code with respect to park reservation space. So if it if the grading is such that we can save existing trees beyond the footprint of The wetlands, we would certainly do so, as well as between units themselves. The way the uh deed restrictions are on

1:25:01this, there's no more than eight units side by side as far as attached. So you'll have eight at a maximum, you'll have eight units, eight units, eight units. And the thing to point out is that this is for townhomes. Typical, you know, we don't have a builder yet, but typical townhomes are 20-foot-wide, 50 to 60 foot deep max, which is a lot smaller than some single-family homes. So we're already shrinking the footprint of the homes, if you will, that we're gonna have areas in larger rear yards, if you will, in town homes developments, larger common areas, to Barbara's point earlier. So that's a good thing. Yeah, I mean no developer wants to whack

1:25:31a entire site and have no trees left if they can manage it. It's just sometimes with stormwater, you have a potential to have a little bit of fill required, but on this site we're actually high. And we have as uh the gentleman was pointing out, we have Candler soils. Candler soils are highly uh per porosity, so we don't really see a lot of fill having to be brought into the site as opposed to other developments in the area. So Well thank you. I appreciate

1:25:54your time. Are there any other questions up here?

1:25:56Just a comment responding to Chris's comment about the sidewalk. So And the change in busing. So that was actually an issue that was brought up at the last MPO meeting. And the MPO board expressed a great deal of concern about us having inadequate sidewalks to the schools. The I think it is a high priority for our board to get that issue dealt with. There is a program called Safe Routes to Schools, but it is a fairly slow process to get sidewalks built. Um there

1:26:27was one discussion by at least one commissioner that said that maybe we should be looking at spending Penny for Pasco money as part of the renewal. to prioritize all of these sidewalks and get them built quickly. Um but we probably need cooperation from the school district. to identify the all the locations where there's a an immediate need to get a sidewalk built so we can get them on A penny for Pasco lists. So Just Chris and I could have had this conversation offline, but I thought everybody should be aware that the our board

1:26:57is concerned about that issue We just need cooperation from the school district to identify where the where the money needs to be spent.

1:27:06Yeah.

1:27:08for everybody's knowledge too, there is a traffic safety committee that meets that i involves uh folks from the county traffic from the sheriff's office, from our school folks, transportation, et cetera, that that meet once a month and look at traffic related and pedestrian related and so I'm sure they'll be involved in

1:27:30I'm just saying we have an opportunity now to get it on the penny list. And I would think the voters would support getting these sidewalks built so for safe Yeah.

1:27:41But we just need to know where The proper locations are to do that.

1:27:44Yes.

1:27:46Thank you.

1:27:46Yeah, I mean like like like Barbara, I went to Golf High too and I I I walked a lot and rode my bike a lot and buthill both ways. In the snow. In the snow. And and uh But the one difference is is that there was there wasn't a traffic back then. No, right, no, right. So I mean I could play football out in the street and it wouldn't be a problem, you know. Yeah, you'd say you can't do that. So you know, it it's it is a my valid concern and

1:28:17I think it's something that we need to as a county address. So I'm glad you brought that up. Thank you, sir, and thank you very much. Thank you. For your time. Okay. Anything else?

1:28:30If not. Do you hear a motion?

1:28:33Motion to approve. It's second.

1:28:36A motion and a second. Any further discussion? All in favor signifies by saying aye. Aye. Opposed, like, sign? Okay, much curious.

1:28:51I think you're now on item P ten.

1:28:55Damn, I

1:28:56almost overlooked