PDD-23-0132

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1. 1Mar 2, 2023
   Planning CommissionPC6Public hearingNo disposition in the minutes

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   Denise

   20:27Following item is PC six, that's PDB 230132. This is a large-scale comprehensive plan amendment, C call 2202, 4G Ranch PD. And this is a um first off, I'd like to state on the record that there is an ex parte communication with John Moody that has been uh submitted to the clerk's office. Um this is a request to continue the item to the 316-23. And commit LPA meeting at 130 in Newport Ritchie.

   GreyChair

   20:56All right, is the applicant present? There's the apple going to project. Is anyone else here to object?

   21:05All right. I hear a motion.

   Unidentified speakerVoice A

   21:07Some of Second.

   GreyChair

   21:09The motion is second. Any further discussion? Not all in favor signify by saying aye. Aye. Uh like signed for nay.

2. 2Mar 16, 2023
   Planning CommissionPC6Public hearingNo disposition in the minutes

   Large-Scale Comprehensive Plan Amendment (Continuance) (Consent) - CPAL22(02) PC Addendum Agenda 4G Ranch PD- Providing … (Map 2-15 And Sheet 22) 5, 6, 12, 13) Changing From AG/R (Agricultural/Rural) To PD (Planned Development) and CON (Conservation Lands) On Approximately 2,903 Acres … Amendment Creating Subarea Policy Flu FLU 7.1.70 – 4G Ranch … Map 3-4: Critical Linkages Map; Providing For Additional Text Amendments As Necessary For Internal Consistency; Providing For A Repealer, Severability, And An Effective Date. Map

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3. 3Apr 4, 2023
   Board of County CommissionersP51Public hearingApproved

   Large-Scale Comprehensive Plan Amendment (Continuance) (Consent) - CPAL22(02) PC Addendum Agenda 4G Ranch PD- Providing for For Transmittal Of A Large-Scale Comprehensive Plan … (Map 2-15 And Sheet 22) 5, 6, 12, 13) Changing From AG/R (Agricultural/Rural) To PD (Planned Development) And CON (Conservation Lands) On Approximately 2,903 Acres … Amendment Creating Subarea Policy Flu FLU 7.1.70 – 4G Ranch … Map 3-4: Critical Linkages Map; Providing For Additional Text Amendments As Necessary For Internal Consistency; Providing For A Repealer, Severability, And An Effective Date. Map

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   Approved Staff’s recommendation.

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   MarianoChair

   18:02Second. All in favor say aye. Aye. Any opposed? Motion passes. P 51.

   Madam Clerk

   18:10P 51, proof of publication, Tampa Bay Times, March 1, 2023, and by affidavit of certified mailings and site postings.

   Denise

   18:18P51 is PDD 230132. It's a large-scale comprehensive plan amendment, C PAL 2202, 4D Ranch PD, providing for transmittal of a large-scale comprehensive plan amendment to the future land use map, map 2-15 and Sheet 5, 612-13, changing from AGR agricultural rural to PD Plant Development and CON Conservation Lands on approximately 2,903 acres of real property located north of state room 52. 2.25 miles east of Land O' Lakes Boulevard and a text amendment creating sub-area policy flu 7.1.704G

   18:50Ranch PD and a map amendment to a future land use map 2-9, adding sub-area map 2-970 4G ranch PD and an amendment to the conservation element map 3-4 critical linkages map. Today we're asking that you authorize transmittal to the Department of Economic Opportunity and other reviewing. agencies. This comes here with a recommendation of the LPA, found it consistent with the comprehensive plan and recommended approval to the BCC on 316 and 23.

   MarianoChair

   19:16Okay, this is listed on consent. Uh however, there's a few people that have signed up for it.

   Denise

   19:22Mm-hmm. So

   MarianoChair

   19:23I'm gonna say we need to pull that off consent and we'll have to wait um and and for the for the record just over knows We had a saddlebrook hearing two months ago and it's been been continued to today. So before we do all these other items that don't get approved under consent, we're gonna go to the saddlebrook hearing first so we can get that done and we'll step in line for everything else after that. All right, so we're gonna pull P fifty one off consent.

   19:51P fifty two.

   Madam Clerk

   19:52Tampa Bay Times, February first, twenty twenty three.

   Denise

   19:55PDD 230237, this is Development Agreement, Boga Ranch, Villages of Pasadena Development Agreement, Boga Ranch LLC is for development agreement for the Boga Ranch Master Plan Unit Development District to design, permit, and construct roadway improvements in exchange for transportation development fees. We're asking that you approve the development agreement. This was presented to the Pasadena Hills Planning and Policy Committee on February 15th of this year. went to the local planning agency on March 2nd of this year.

   MarianoChair

   20:25One person to speak? Mm-hmm. Um I should have asked this other one, but is there is the person to speak on P fifty two in opposition? What's the name?

   Madam Clerk

   20:33Hobby Clark.

   MarianoChair

   20:34No, he's not. Clark

   Madam Clerk

   20:35Harbor

   MarianoChair

   20:35Hobby.

   20:38Clark? Okay.

   Starkey

   20:41Two seconds.

   Unidentified speakerVoice B

   20:44I just want to make sure that it's not my team that's on four G Ranch, but that there actually is someone in a an objection to it.

   MarianoChair

   20:53Okay. So on P fifty one, is everyone anyone signed up in opposition to the item? I didn't see anybody. Okay, no. So let's go leave that on consent.

   21:05So no no one's in a opposition. Okay. Yeah. Uh P fifty three.

   Madam Clerk

   21:11P-53, Tampa Bay Times, February 15th, 2023.

   Denise

   21:15PD D twenty three seven six two two is a zoning amendment. JSN Clinton MPUD Master Plan Unit Development, JSN Clinton LLC, so rezoning request from AR Agricultural Residential, AR One Agricultural Residential, C2 General Commercial, and MPUD, MPUD Master Plan Unit Development Zoning Districts to an MPUD to allow for a maximum of 190 single family attached slash townhome dwellings and associated infrastructure on a property. Approximately twenty-seven point three six acres comes to you with a recommendation of approval with conditions from the Planning Commission and the Planning and Development Department.

   Starkey

   21:47Mr. Chairman Mariano on this. Um who's the who's the attorney of record on this one? Barbara Wall. Yeah, I think we talked about this about the Um the multi use trail on the north side of Clinton Avenue and the right of way that's needed. It's just if you're okay with that then okay.

   MarianoChair

   22:08We have a support. I will leave it on consent. Um I wanted to pull f pull P fifty four and fifty five. There'll be quick discussions, but I do want to have a discussion. Commissioner Weightman?

   Weightman

   22:22I was gonna say I'm right with you on P fifty four and P fifty five and

   MarianoChair

   22:25we

   Weightman

   22:25could we could knock those out pretty quick.

   MarianoChair

   22:27Okay.

   Weightman

   22:28You want

   Madam Clerk

   22:28publication

   MarianoChair

   22:29next um or we okay do public.

   22:34We're just gonna pull them to talk to them.

   Madam Clerk

   22:37P fifty four, Tampa Bay Times, February one, twenty twenty-three, P fifty five, Tampa Bay Times, March one, twenty twenty-three.

   MarianoChair

   22:45Okay. Thank you. Uh P fifty six, Conerton.

   Madam Clerk

   22:49Tampa Bay Times,

   Denise

   22:50February first, twenty twenty-three.

   MarianoChair

   22:52Okay.

   Denise

   22:52Speedy D twenty three seven six four three, Conerton Village one MPUDs for a zoning amendment. Substantial modification. Uh Conerton Conerton Village One M PUD master plan. Unit Development Districts, substantial modification, DR Red E-commerce LLC. It's substantial modifications to the village one MPUD to allow an addition of 56 multifamily units and 10,000 square feet of retail office. Comes through with a recommendation of approval with conditions as included in your agenda packet from the Planning and Development Department and the Planning Commission.

   MarianoChair

   23:20Okay.

   23:22Any comments for staff on this? this? It's not consent. Anyone in opposition to this item? Leave it on concern? P fifty seven.

   Denise

   23:35Did I hear that

   MarianoChair

   23:36that one

   Denise

   23:36wanted to be you wanted to pull that one,

   MarianoChair

   23:38Commissioner

   Denise

   23:38Weightman? Okay, just checking.

   MarianoChair

   23:40No no opposition there. Okay. P fifty seven.

   Denise

   23:42P fifty seven, Tampa Bay Times for everyone, twenty twenty-three. That's P D D twenty three seven six five six, zoning amendment, Evans Nursery Villages of Pasadena Hills, Master Plan Unit Development, Galvin Harris Land Services, substantial modification to the Evans parcel F1 MPUD to remain to rename it to Evans Nursery MPUD and to decrease the geographical land area of the non-residential village center. of a portion of village F. It comes to you with a recommendation of approval with conditions for the Pasadena Hills Planning and Policy Committee and the Planning and the Planning and Development Department.

   MarianoChair

   24:12Okay. Is anyone here and speak to speak in opposition to P fifty seven? Okay, leave that on the consent.

   OakleyVice Chair

   24:22It goes along with those other two.

   Weightman

   24:24Okay. And and add that to the same quick discussion with fifty four and fifty-five, please.

   MarianoChair

   24:32So those items pulled, I have a motion on the rest of the consent agenda. So

   Unidentified speakerVoice C

   24:36move. Mr. Chairman just for clarity, that's P fifty two, P fifty three, and P fifty six. So it's remaining back on that? Um fifty fifty

   Madam Clerk

   24:45three. Yeah, fifty one, fifty two, fifty three. Yeah, that's the forg.

   Unidentified speakerVoice C

   24:51I thought P fifty one was pulled.

   MarianoChair

   24:59Okay.

   Unidentified speakerVoice C

   25:0052. Okay. I thought you said you had speakers signed up.

   MarianoChair

   25:03We've we addressed that. You missed that. Clark because Clark Clark mentioned he thought it must it might have been his change. I'm gonna clarify the motion.

   Madam Clerk

   25:11Okay.

   MarianoChair

   25:11The motion on the table right now is to approve the consent agenda which includes P fifty one. P P fifty two, P fifty three, P fifty six, P fifty eight no I'm sorry, not P fifty eight.

   Madam Clerk

   25:27Commissioner Yeah, someone on WebX though put P fifty one. I don't know if

   Mike Carballa

   25:30they speak

   25:31to the Penny for Pasco.

   Madam Clerk

   25:33Um

   MarianoChair

   25:35I have a

   Madam Clerk

   25:35question on fifty six.

   MarianoChair

   25:36Hang on for hang up for hang for one one quick second. Is there anyone on WebEx on P fifty one?

   Madam Clerk

   25:41Yeah, Paul Grebshaw.

   MarianoChair

   25:43Paul, are you in opposition or support? Okay, nope.

   Mike Carballa

   25:51We're trying to promote him, just one moment.

   OakleyVice Chair

   25:59He needs to speak.

   Liam Devine

   26:02Let's deal with P fifty one first. So P fifty one has to be pulled. It's an opposition.

   MarianoChair

   26:06He's in opposition.

   Unidentified speakerVoice C

   26:09Okay. Okay. Okay, and Commissioner Starkey just requested you pull fee P fifty six.

   MarianoChair

   26:14All right, so I

   OakleyVice Chair

   26:16thought we

   26:16already

   26:16pulled 504.

   Unidentified speakerVoice C

   26:18Yeah, pretty simple.

   MarianoChair

   26:19All right, so poll P fifty one is pulled, P fifty four is pulled. No, no. Well yeah, I'm sorry, that would have read was sorry. Yeah. P fifty five is pulled, P fifty six, Commissioner Starkey you want to poll? Yeah, about the parts. And P fifty seven was pulled, which leaves

   26:39Items P fifty two, P fifty three, P. That's it. That's it for consent. And so that's what the motion That'll be the motion? I move, yeah. Okay. Do we have a second?

   Bradford

   26:51Okay.

   MarianoChair

   26:52All in favor say aye. Aye. Any opposed? Okay. Not to the pleasure of the board. Do we want to go right to the Saddlebrook hearing?

   Weightman

   27:00Mr. Chairman Mariano P fifty four, fifty-five, and fifty-seven if have your indulgence.

   MarianoChair

   27:06Let's go do that. All right, so item P fifty four.

   Weightman

   27:12Hey, can we add P fifty one on that too? Is that the first thing I've got to do?

   MarianoChair

   27:15I'm sorry. I'm sorry, to P fifty one first. Sorry about that.

   Weightman

   27:18Thank you, Chairman Mariano.

   Madam Clerk

   27:24So I have Paul Grimshaw sign up in that position of P fifty one.

   MarianoChair

   27:30So,

   27:34I think that's a good question. So why don't why don't we hear from the uh person on public comment first then we'll get to the applicant.

   Unidentified speakerVoice C

   27:42Thank you. Mr. True, you're okay with start leaving the staff's presentation.

   MarianoChair

   27:45We don't need a staff for applicant presentation.

   Mike Carballa

   27:49Understood.

   MarianoChair

   27:49Okay.

   27:52So public comment on P51?

   Mike Carballa

   27:56And Commissioner February, um I'm told that folks are having a hard time hearing, so if we could speak into the microphones directly, that would be great. Thank you.

   Madam Clerk

   28:07Paul Paul Grinshaw is um signed up to speak WebEx.

   Paul Paul Grinshaw

   28:15Yes, I just uh name it uh Paul Renshaw, uh G R I S A J W, I've been sworn in. Address is uh [address removed]. Um just I'm opposed to uh to this and um it's such a large scale change of agriculture uh to Uh yeah. And also Um just. Yeah, the one.

   28:48Um obviously you can read for yourself, these are uh the immense benefits of agricultural region, um, huge financial benefits. Uh I'd like to draw your your attention just to uh you know the public service required for agriculture is not much lower than high density uh residential. Um government benefits are all are obviously huge as well. Um especially with uh um mitigating plug rates, absorbing CO2. And the other thing

   29:18is just having food security, having agriculture in our region is super important. Uh next slide.

   29:27Yeah. It's been uh promoted as uh you know the escape the urban areas and obviously uh massive rezoning um from uh from agriculture to uh you know high density residentials, uh obviously has an impact. Um next slide please. And then uh in the conference and planning there is really no uh mention of agriculture, even environmental services. So uh my fear is that this is just

   30:02Yeah. Uh yeah uh Yeah, kind of.

   30:13We're essentially recreating that congestion of of southern counties. You can see Captain County is 9.5% rural and you kind of uh as you go south you see what happens. So uh you know the intent to uh recreate this congestion and uh is there and all do we have percentage of greens mixing agricultural as he thank you.

   Starkey

   30:38Um

   MarianoChair

   30:38thank you. Commissioner Starkey.

   Starkey

   30:41I I would just say to him as uh I I understand where you're coming from, coming from an AG family, and I think Senator Simpson or Commissioner Secretary Simpson uh has some great plans to preserve agriculture, but we can't force a landowner to stay in AG. So that's just not legally possible. But we do have a program in the county where we will buy land and preserve it if we have a willing seller. So we do all

   31:11we can and we we thank you for that Penny for Pasco.

   31:14Thank you.

   Jeff Lelliott

   31:15Uh the applicant.

   Unidentified speakerVoice B

   31:17Uh Mr. Chairman Clark Hobby Hobby and Hobby PA 109 North Brush Street, Tampa, Florida have been sworn. Be very brief. You all are well aware that the 4G ranch is bisected by an eco-corridor that's proposed for the area. So to the discussion points raised here, we are changing 20% of the land area today. We're proposing to change it to conservation. So in addition to any other policies we may have which may preserve open space, green spaces,

   31:47et cetera, it will be 600 acres or 20% of the property that can't be developed after the adoption of this plan amendment. So I think that addresses the issues. Happy to address any other questions.

   MarianoChair

   31:58Uh I'm gonna bring up uh something you and I have talked about as well. Uh we talked about Commissioner Simpson's uh buying up of development rights to keep a a property agri agricultural. And I would like to see if the board feels the same way, that actually you you st you start that conversation before we go. We've

   Unidentified speakerVoice B

   32:17already got a meeting schedule, I believe Mr Gibbons is meeting with their office uh later this week.

   MarianoChair

   32:22'Cause I th I 'cause I think they could probably shorten up a lot of this growth, this this whole area and kinda take it and and just get what they really want for their own family, et cetera, and whatever else they're gonna do. But I think it'd be s you could minimize this here, but at the same time. I think with the Commissioner Simpson's program it could work very well for everybody.

   Unidentified speakerVoice B

   32:40Understood, and we we want to explore that.

   MarianoChair

   32:41Okay.

   Unidentified speakerVoice B

   32:42Move

   Starkey

   32:43to approve.

   MarianoChair

   32:43Second. Any other discussion? Uh roll call vote.

   Madam Clerk

   32:50District one.

   MarianoChair

   32:51Is it role follow or is it consent?

   Unidentified speakerVoice C

   32:54This is a transmittal, so just regular vote.

   MarianoChair

   32:56Okay, regular vote. All in favor say aye. Aye. Aye. Any opposed? All right. Thank you.

4. 4Jul 11, 2023
   Board of County CommissionersP50Public hearingAdopted

   Large-Scale An Ordinance Amending The Pasco County Comprehensive Plan Amendment (Continuance) - CPAL22(02) PC Addendum Agenda 4G Ranch PD- Plan; Providing for For A Large-Scale Comprehensive Plan … 2-15 And Sheet 22) Changing From AG/R (Agricultural/Rural) To PD (Planned PD(Planned Development) On Approximately 2,903 … Real Property Located North of Of State Road 52 Approximately … Amendment Creating Subarea Policy Flu FLU 7.1.70 – 4G Ranch … 2-9 Adding Subarea Map 2-9(70) 2- 9(70) 4G Ranch PD; And An Amendment To The Conservation Element Map … And An Effective Date.

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   Starkey

   8:14District five Chairman Mariano.

   MarianoChair

   8:18Next item P fifty.

   Starkey

   8:19Uh yes, advertising Tampa Bay Times, June 21, 2023.

   OakleyVice Chair

   8:24Item P 50 is PDD 230132. I'll go ahead and read the title. In ordinance amending the Pasco County Comprehensive Plan, providing for a large-scale comprehensive plan amendment to the future land use map, Map 2-15 and Sheet 22 from AGR agricultural rural to PDE Plan Development on approximately 2,903 acres of real property located north of State Route 52. Approximately 2.25 miles east of Land O' Lakes Boulevard in a text amendment creating sub-area policy flu 7.1.70 4G Ranch

   8:54PD, and a map amendment to the future land use map 2-9, adding sub-area map two-97D, 4G Ranch PD, and an amendment to the conservation element map three-four critical linkages map, providing for additional text amendments as necessary for internal consultation. consistency, providing for repealers repealer servability and effective date, this comes with a recommendation of approval of the adoption. And if the board would like a presentation, we can present.

   MarianoChair

   9:21With the Boy Wisher presentation. We've seen this a few times. Okay. Okay.

   Starkey

   9:29Before you make a motion um on the advertisement, it was Tampa Bay Times, June twenty-first, twenty twenty three, but I forgot to mention and by affidavit certified mailings and site postings. So just for the record.

   MarianoChair

   9:42So anyone here from the public like to speak to item P fifty?

   9:48Move approval. I have a motion.

   Weightman

   9:50Second.

   MarianoChair

   9:51And any further discussion? Call a roll?

   Starkey

   9:54District One, Commissioner Oakley.

   MarianoChair

   9:55Aye.

   Starkey

   9:56District two, Commissioner Weightman. Aye. District three, Commissioner Starkey. Aye. District four, Commissioner Bradford.

   10:03District five Chairman Mariano.

   MarianoChair

   10:05And thank you, Steph, for getting that paperwork straightened up before the meeting.