PDD-24-0056

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1. 1Dec 5, 2023
   Board of County CommissionersP75Public hearingContinued

   Approved minutes

   Approved to continue the item to the January 23, 2024 Board of County Commissioners meeting at 1:30 p.m. in New Port Richey with Commissioner Bradford absent from the vote.

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   Ron OakleyVice Chair

   2:04:59on I thought we have a kept it on the consent agenda or Okay. All in favor say aye. Aye. All opposed, like sign. Motion passes four zero. Uh move on to P seventy-five.

   Kathryn Starkey

   2:05:14P seventy five was advertised in the Tampa Bay Times October eleventh, twenty twenty three.

   Denise

   2:05:19P75 is PDD 240056 of the development agreement amendment. Renter MPUD Master Plan Unit Development, KB Homes LLC, modification to develop to the development agreement for the renter MPUD. Comes to you with a recommendation of approval from the local planning agency and the planning and development department.

   Ron OakleyVice Chair

   2:05:39Is there anyone here sig is anyone signed up?

   Kathryn Starkey

   2:05:41But I'd like to can I get a quick presentation? 'Cause I did a lot of work on this M P D C staff member is here.

   Ron OakleyVice Chair

   2:05:50So is there anybody in the audience wish to speak against this item?

   2:05:56Not seeing anyone, we move on. Well she's a presentation. Yeah. We have that presentation.

   Planning and Development staff

   2:06:05Good afternoon, William from Millenni Planning and Development.

   2:06:10So this is item PDD 240056. It's an amendment to the renter DA. Uh here's the location of the Renter MPUD. And so this is uh an amendment to the approved DA that was required uh in the original DA, paragraph 11.

   2:06:29Uh here's a subject site location at MPD uh on Bexley Road. And here's a quick contextual map showing uh the subject site, Bexley Road, and the uh Clark property MPD and the Hagman MPD to the north.

   2:06:46And so the the modification essentially is modifying the exhibits of what the developer is going to be uh uh essentially doing and providing that twelve foot multi-use path and the sidewalk along those segments of road. Uh both section sections A and C, which are shown here. Um so section A is that blue highlighted portion of the roadway. Section C is the pink.

   2:07:18And here is another exhibit further highlighting those three sections of road.

   Kathryn Starkey

   2:07:25So what's what's being modified? That's my question. Okay,

   Planning and Development staff

   2:07:28so it's essentially it's those those exhibits and the the modification to this it to this uh DA was required by the original because at the time of the approval of the DA uh feasibility wasn't known because engineering hadn't been done. about what the developer could or could not build. And so they determined that on section A uh on that uh exhibit there that the uh The 12-foot multi-use path is going to be extended west on the north side of Bexley Road when

   2:07:58the remaining segments of the Vision Road are constructed. There's currently an insignificant right-of-way currently and the parcels aren't owned by the applicant. And uh on section C There is currently insignificant right-of-way on the south side of the wisteria loop to construct the five foot sidewalk and to provide the required substandard road uh improvements. So the applicant is providing that sidewalk on the north side of the wisteria loop because that Clark MPUD

   2:08:28is uh controlling the land that's already been set aside for drainage and floodplain mitigation.

   Kathryn Starkey

   2:08:33Okay, so Board members, we we had quite a few meetings on this, and I went out there with our county engineers and their engineers. And Ray Gad And if you remember the sheriff lived here. Um Part of the problem on this road, and this is part for our new ACA, was that part of this road is designed as a urban section, and part of this road is an urb, a rural section. And

   2:09:04It gets s in the trail, the multi use trail is supposed to be on the north side of the road. Correct. And so I am curious what was worked out in front of that was that a Lenar neighborhood or who whose neighborhood is up there close to Forty One where um That's the first one we approved and it's built. It's wraps around our elderly nutrition building that's over there.

   Unidentified speakerVoice A

   2:09:30Yeah.

   Kathryn Starkey

   2:09:33And Clark, that that Hagman M P U D, they were they were donating some land to the county. And that there was plenty of room for that trail to go through that. So where is that land donation? I I just

   Planning and Development staff

   2:09:45uh I need a lot more specifics in here.

   Kathryn Starkey

   2:09:54Because it sounds it if I'm hearing you right, we're just getting little bits and pieces of the multi-use trail, and that was how this neighborhood

   Planning and Development staff

   2:10:02Right.

   2:10:04Yeah, un unfortunately they they just don't own or control any of the land.

   Kathryn Starkey

   2:10:09We do because that was given to us that Where's the applicant?

   2:10:17Hey Sally. Um do you have more maps than this? Because where's the piece of land that Hagman That bottom piece along Wisteria was given to the county. Or or the developer.

   What

   2:10:31So unfortunately, our engineer is not here today. Um but I can't tell you the exhibits that are laid out with Shelly.

   Unidentified speakerVoice B

   2:10:38Name

   What

   2:10:38her. I'm sorry, Shelley Johnson, [address removed], and I have been sworn. Thank you. Um when the engineers went back and looked at that, they have consulted with Mr. Gadd, they've consulted with Mr. Couch. Um I think the sheriff was aware of what we're doing. Yeah,

   Kathryn Starkey

   2:10:50Jeremy lives out on this road too.

   What

   2:10:52Yeah, everybody has met out there and discussed exactly What we're proposing on these exhibits? The changes or the original proposal? No, the changes. And everybody is in agreement with the changes. So

   Kathryn Starkey

   2:11:03so can you be more specific to me than Saying it's A, B, and C are you building your so you are not building the multi-use trail?

   What

   2:11:11So the multi use path according to the engineers and everybody that looked at it what can be fit is in section A, which is the first section on the exhibit. If you go to exhibit A, I believe is where it has the sections laid out. That really

   2:11:28On that particular section, there's a twelve foot multi-use trail that will be extended to the west on the north side of Bexley Road.

   Kathryn Starkey

   2:11:37From that map you have no idea where you're talking about.

   What

   2:11:39So if you go to the additional exhibits, and I think section A is set forth on, let me see here.

   2:11:48It would be the second page of exhibit A. There's two. Sorry, there's two key maps setting for section A, and then the next one after that sets for section C. Okay, this is the perfect

   Kathryn Starkey

   2:12:02map because see that big piece of land there that Big Light green piece, that's been given to the county by Hagman. So there's plenty of room to put a trail in there.

   What

   2:12:13So that would be on section C. Um and what the engineers are saying is there's currently insufficient right of way to construct a sidewalk. And I believe that that land on the north side is controlled by the Um another MPD that DR.

   Kathryn Starkey

   2:12:30The

   What

   2:12:30Hagman said

   Kathryn Starkey

   2:12:30they would they're giving that to us. I mean that could be a park and a trailhead. So someone has dropped a ball on this because there's plenty of room. for the multi-use trail to go on that piece of land. I mean

   What

   2:12:44As of right now there is not. Now I'm not sure.

   Kathryn Starkey

   2:12:46No, there's there's acres and acres. You're that piece was given to us. Or pledge to us. From the Hagman MP. Don't you guys you guys remember this?

   Seth Weightman

   2:12:57I'm new to this.

   Kathryn Starkey

   2:12:59Okay, I am a hundred percent positive that they said that we could have that peace. So I'm not buying that we can't put the trail there. So this was gonna have to be continued. 'Cause I I won't go for that one. When we have plenty of room for the trail.

   What

   2:13:13I mean yeah, we'll be happy to go back. I'll have the engineer here and we'll be happy to go back and and look at it. But from I'm just telling you from what I know standing here today. My I'm being told there's insufficient right away currently and that's why it's being designed the way it is. That they tried to fit what they could wear. Yeah. And everybody, all the interested parties, at least the resident interested parties on the road and that that were involved in this coming up through process of the right-of-way.

   Kathryn Starkey

   2:13:35You didn't have

   What

   2:13:37either

   Kathryn Starkey

   2:13:37Clark or someone from the Hagman M PUD there to tell you that well you have all that ro all That's right. Can

   What

   2:13:46you go back to the other map? My understanding is that the area that you're looking at right now is being used for their stormwater. And so what they gave us is what they could give us and there's not any additional right of way there. That's my understanding because we have actually worked with that that other owner to try to get what we could from them.

   Kathryn Starkey

   2:14:05I I I s I need to list I recall them saying that we could that they would give that to us. And there would be plenty of room for the trail there.

   What

   2:14:15So they said that they would work with us on it, and there is, I believe, a condition in their approval that required them to work with us on it. Um so that's what they did. But again, we don't control it. And so what they gave us is what they said they were willing in terms of what we could do. There's

   Kathryn Starkey

   2:14:30a problem if they didn't give us enough to fit the trail. So Uh again, I'm gonna go back and We're gonna have to dig into this a little more.

   What

   2:14:39Yeah,

   Kathryn Starkey

   2:14:40right. I mean,

   What

   2:14:40I'll be happy

   Kathryn Starkey

   2:14:41to go back to

   2:14:41that.

   2:14:41Because this is really important for that community, because There's no room on that road and that's gonna be a busy road to ride anywhere. I mean, and this is how they're gonna get get over to the Orange Belt Trail. So

   What

   2:14:55And I don't know.

   Kathryn Starkey

   2:14:56This was a whole condition of approval for me, and that's why I went out there and met with Jeremy and Ray and our engineering staff and their engineers and we walked it. And I don't remember if Clark was there or not, but there was plenty of room for the multi-use path. And it was didn't have to be smooshed up against the road.

   What

   2:15:14Yes, I think that's a good thing. When we went back and discussed with them, what we did is what they said they had room for. And I believe and I don't know how far along they are in their site plans, so I don't even know if their stormwater has been approved. But I think what we were told and what c the county's been told or the staff has been told is that they're utilizing some of that for their stormwater drainage and so we could not there there was nothing more to give. That was what we're doing.

   Jack MarianoChair

   2:15:36Mr. Chairman M Uh and I I agree with Commissioner Starkey a hundred percent. When this was talked about, that was an easy thing. I've been out there to see the site as well. It shouldn't be a problem. And if it means we got to bring the other developer in to have the conversation. With them, it's gonna be our staff that's gonna have to lead that conversation. And I suggest that you're going to be able to do that.

   Kathryn Starkey

   2:15:57Okay, on the next section, um section C. What are you saying about section C?

   2:16:07And that is the c the uh transition I think from the Rural to the urban. road section, which we all knew had to be worked out. When this was all started.

   Planning and Development staff

   2:16:24So on on section C it's a a similar issue with the insignificant right away on the south side of the road.

   Kathryn Starkey

   2:16:31Well I don't think we ever wanted it on the south, we want it on the north.

   Planning and Development staff

   2:16:34Well it was insig insignificant right away to construct the the five foot sidewalk that's gonna be along south.

   Kathryn Starkey

   2:16:40But there's room on the north to connect to

   Planning and Development staff

   2:16:43section C there's room on the north.

   2:16:45For the multi-use pack. Okay. Okay.

   2:16:48Um That's not an issue.

   Kathryn Starkey

   2:16:51um you know the restaurants and all that, Capital Taco and all that that's out there on the south side, but they'll They'll have to cross safely. If there's no room. On the cell. I'm not I'm not as worked up about that as much as making sure that multi-use trail gets put in.

   Planning and Development staff

   2:17:08Correct, and we can certainly confirm that with the the developers at Hagman. Okay.

   Kathryn Starkey

   2:17:14Uh move to continue.

   Unidentified speakerVoice A

   2:17:16Two would be one uh January twenty third Uh twenty twenty four if you want it here in Newport Ritchie at one thirty or soon thereafter.

   Kathryn Starkey

   2:17:27Is this one that can go on either side?

   Planning and Development staff

   2:17:29Uh yeah, with it with its proximity to to US forty one, you you could do it on either side, especially given that we haven't had any members of the public reach out to us. Probably need the time though.

   Kathryn Starkey

   2:17:41Um can we say either or?

   Unidentified speakerVoice A

   2:17:44Well you can continue it to the January ninth meeting and then continue it again.

   Kathryn Starkey

   2:17:51Um Shelly, how much time do you think you'll need?

   2:18:06Okay. So

   Unidentified speakerVoice C

   2:18:06we'll

   Kathryn Starkey

   2:18:06I was just trying to help them. Okay. So uh move to continue to the second meeting in January.

   Unidentified speakerVoice A

   2:18:13January 23rd, 2024.

   Ron OakleyVice Chair

   2:18:15January 23rd. Okay. Okay. And a second. I got a motion and a second. All those in favor say aye. Aye. Aye. All opposed like so? Motion passed, four zero. To continue? Move on to B seventy eight.

   Kathryn Starkey

   2:18:32Seventy

   Ron OakleyVice Chair

   2:18:32sixty six what seventy six, excuse me. Okay,

2. 2Jan 23, 2024
   Board of County CommissionersP49Public hearingApproved

   Development Agreement (Consent) (Regular) – Renner MPUD Master … for the Renner MPUD

   Approved minutes

   Approved Staff’s recommendation.

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   Madam Clerk

   44:34P forty nine, proof of publication, Tampa Bay Times, October the 11th, 2023. The item was continued from the December fifth, twenty twenty three BCC meeting to today.

   Planning and Development staff

   44:46Good afternoon, William from Million Planning and Development. This is coming back before you guys today to show you the new Section C exhibit, which shows the twelve foot multi use path running along the north side of Bexley.

   45:04So if you'll remember last time there wasn't sufficient right-of-way on the north side of section C to accommodate for that 12-foot multi-use path. The applicant has worked in the interim to get that right of way to build the twelve foot multi-use path that will now run. through section A, B, and C of this new alignment.

   Kathryn Starkey

   45:22And we tweaked the um trigger. For the CEOs I think within the development to help cover the cost.

   Planning and Development staff

   45:31I'm not sure. I was unable to attend the meeting and Terry attended it in my stead. Um so if the applicant knows something about that.

   Kathryn Starkey

   45:41I'm I'm pretty sure we're good to go. But that's what they were requesting in order to To make this accommodation.

   What

   45:48Thank you, Shelley Johnson, [address removed], and I have been sworn. We did talk to David about that and the M P D, the way the condition is written, we would have to go back and do an amendment to our M P D. Oh. So it the timing is just not gonna work by that time the road will be built. So We're good with Yeah, I know. We tried. We did try. And and he he and I talked for a while and tried to kick around ideas, but you know, we can't get it it says what it says. So Okay. Okay.

   Kathryn Starkey

   46:13All right. Thank you. Um so this is something I took off because I I Uh y you know, I I had gone in depth on this project and I think it's good to go now.

   Ron OakleyChair

   46:24Or is anybody uh in the public wish to speak to this item?

   Kathryn Starkey

   46:29Uh I would move approval.

   Ron OakleyChair

   46:31Second with discussion. Motion and a second

   Jack Mariano

   46:33with discussion. With discussion? Okay.

   46:40Holmes has done all they've done to make this project happen. It was it was needed to make the connections But this is like Major improvements off site. Um so for them to step up and and make this extra move I want to thank them for doing that because otherwise it's not done. And of all the things I want you to all think about as we go forward, when we're looking for the developers that have these things that we need extra connections. that we should be looking to go push to to make things happen like this could be better. Yeah. I

   47:10agree.

   Kathryn Starkey

   47:12We have to do our part So they're gonna connect to a sidewalk and then in front of our property that Miss Pearson is aware of our where we do our feeding Pasco's elderly or whatever or our elderly whatever, we have no sidewalk. So but it needs to be a trail. Multi use and then we'll come back and figure out the missing piece. But We don't have ours in there either, so

   47:37All right.

   Ron OakleyChair

   47:41All those in favor say aye. Aye. Aye. All opposed like that? Motion pass five zero. That ends the public comment period. We'll move back to uh Commissioner Ottoms.