Lake Worrell Acres, PVAS No. 3353 (Regular) — Board of County Commissioners — Board Initiated Public Hearing — $477,299.00

1:35:39And so it was an A. Zero? This has died based on a three one vote. Mm-hmm. One up center. Okay. Next is another P VAS. Uh

1:35:55Sixty five, P sixty five? Yes,

1:35:57sir.

1:35:58Yep.

1:35:58Item P sixty five was published in the Tampa Times on February twenty fourth, twenty twenty one.

1:36:05Nope.

1:36:08It's the call of public works. Um this is the Lake War Acres Pivas project. Um at the March twenty-third meeting the public um Hearing was opened and continued to today, May eighteenth, twenty twenty one. On April twenty sixth, uh Commissioner Fitzpatrick had a committee meeting. And here's so just some background information with regards to this project. This is a board initiated project. Um this was as a result of the um Temporary repairs

1:36:38to storm damage road approved by the board back in 2017. There are two streets in this project. Um County maintained PAVE, 91 lots involved, 46.39 ERUs. Next please. Estimated cost is four seventy-seven thousand two hundred and ninety-nine. Maximum cost per ERU ten thousand two hundred and eighty-eight. The discounted amount is ninety-six thousand five hundred and fifty seventy-five. Uh maximum cost after the discount is seven thousand. Nine hundred and sixty-six dollars

1:37:08and sixty three cents. The annual installment over ten year period and the interest rate is three point two five um percent interest. Next please. This is a location map. The two roads in questions uh run north south and um next slide. And this is some condition of the roads uh a couple weeks ago.

1:37:32What number is this one?

1:37:33This is fifty-six. Sorry, sixty-five. Sixty-five. P sixty-five. P sixty-five.

1:37:38Last item on the gym.

1:37:41Okay. Is that the white limelk coming up out of the roofs?

1:37:45Yeah. And the potholes is a scamia drive.

1:37:51It was before the last one.

1:37:58This was done about the same time as other road was done. This almost looks like a gravel road. Well it almost looked like.

1:38:07Mm-hmm.

1:38:10Um So Ainsley, are you gonna take public comment? 'Cause I have some questions for Ainsley. When when's the right time for me to ask 'em?

1:38:18Well during the discussion we are do we have anybody signed up for

1:38:22I have um no one on w no one submitted an email, no one on WebEx and no one signed up. So

1:38:28okay. So we can have a discussion pairs, no one public comment.

1:38:34I so I actually have some issues on this one. I mean I I think we should you know I I am No We made an agreement that we're gonna do the board initiated PVAS, so of course I'm gonna stick with what I said I was gonna do, even though they're hard votes before. But I have a little problem with this one on the methodology. And so um I think I was l I was looking at some of the sites on here and I I'm sorry, I d I don't know what I do with my notes, but I went to One of the houses on Cameo

1:39:04because I was looking I was looking at the um ownership That's right. Here. And so for example, and I think I sent this to you and Mike, if you look at um five Oh um let's see here. [address removed] is that the ones?

1:39:22Um or say [address removed] and [address removed] or there's some others where you have Um Um two people are listed there twice. It it's an it's an odd development because it looks like they're little teeny tiny lots. And then people have built one house on like five lots.

1:39:43Are you referring to the email you sent about the two parcels?

1:39:46Yeah, so then

1:39:47they are

1:39:47getting like five ERUs.

1:39:49So

1:39:51So

1:39:51the methodology I I responded to your email with the with regards to those two parcels. They

1:39:57are

1:39:57not combined. They are separate parcels, so they are separate assessments. The assessment is based on the size of the parcel and the zoning. So based on I had staff recalculate that and the calculations for those two parses that you emailed me are correct. So although you may have Um just a simple example. Um I have one acre, you have one acre, it's zone yours zoned for ten units, mine is zone for one. Your assessment will be greater than mine because it's based on the l the

1:40:28the entitlement, what you can bill on.

1:40:30No, I understand that, but there's only one house there. I I went to the property appraiser's website. And there's one house.

1:40:37It's not it has nothing to do with the number of hosts. So they can

1:40:39down zone themselves. It's not about if

1:40:42they want to down zone they can. Well heck

1:40:43yeah, because theirs is seven thousand nine hundred each.

1:40:46If they cure the down zone they can't.

1:40:48And it's one house. So it's one it w should be one ERU. No and that's all over the place in there. So that's a problem.

1:40:56Commissioner Yeah, each unit's gonna take an ERU. No, it's not a good thing.

1:41:01I had someone address uh uh citizen address that's a good idea. Commissioner Starkey. And they were actually there was two ERUs on one lot and it was told that they could rezone it. But then they're not gonna be allowed to ever build and it's gonna depreciate their value. So if they wanna convert it to one ERU they can do that. But later on they can't just keep flipping back and forth and later on and say, Well, I want it to be five and I wanna sell off each lot.

1:41:27Yeah, so then then they would have to they would get assessed another ERU. Because We've had this happen in my district where there was someone on say a five acre lot and um they were getting hit with five ERUs and we told them they could down zone it to one. And they'd only pay one, but if they ever wanted to split it, they would get hit with an assessment. That's true. But what maybe I'm wrong, but when I looked at that house It was one house on like Four

1:41:58lots.

1:41:59Yes, Commissioner. So just one comment on that. So if the entitlement is say four Dwellings, four houses. but they only have one existing. the methodology allows for a reduction because they do not have the additional three. So we we're not fully assessing them for four ERUs.

1:42:22Okay, there

1:42:22are

1:42:22a lot of people in here with mul with mul with addresses that are right next to each other on the street with multiple assessments. It's it's all over the place in here.

1:42:33We follow the methodology, the policies, and the guidelines, and for the two examples you sent to me, I had staff recheck their correct and I responded to your email. Well I think.

1:42:46I think I think you know, we made this mistake in Aristida. that some you thought th there was there was uh in the plat, an ability to have larger lots, but Originally, but then they were all Downsized, but they still got us some people got assessed for multiple ERUs, even though the the Homeowners Association rule said only one house per lot. And so it was remember it? And you had to throw out that first.

1:43:15And this is exactly why the moment I got their email, I had staff double check it. So I'm comfortable with the calculations.

1:43:21So you think that there's a house on [address removed] and a house on [address removed]?

1:43:28There's two houses. Yes. One's a mobile home and one is a more permanent structure.

1:43:33Okay. And that's the same all through here? With all these things.

1:43:36The only two I double check was the two that you sent to me, Commissioner.

1:43:39Okay. All right. But I don't think it's gonna go through anyway.

1:43:44I can't vote on this

1:43:45one.

1:43:46I'll make a motion to deny.

1:43:48I'm in because I've had

1:43:51double second.

1:43:51We only had one person here last time.

1:43:54No, we already went there.

1:43:55And rejecting, although I had a room full of people here that night. Now My two concerns are Worrell Drive and Adonis are both dirt roads and have you been able to my photos were right below the other photos from Cypress Drive because my meeting was with Lake Warrell and then I had a meeting that night right after.

1:44:14My brother is very bummed. If he can't drive this moment to his house

1:44:19after

1:44:19the storm. Okay.

1:44:21So my biggest concern, that's it, if you want to stay there for a second. This is on Broad Street and Adonis. Now Adonis is An unpaved road. All of the dirt from Adonis and Worrell Drive run. East. to the end and then they back up everywhere. So if you want to move forward

1:44:43And then I think this is Warwell Drive. So I actually had two citizens that said they own property on both north and south sides sides of World Drive. And they w actually wanted to see if they could get Don't uh transferred.

1:45:02Vacated.

1:45:02Vacated.

1:45:03They wanted the road vacated. But that can't Can't that's can't be

1:45:07that's

1:45:07not yeah, that's not part

1:45:09of

1:45:09this.

1:45:10So but that being said, they wanted to pave it. So I would be okay going through with the project if Adonis was included because you have all of that debris and they have to go out and grade this all the time. So if they're gonna continuously have to go out and grade Adonis. I just have concerns with that.

1:45:33So it doesn't their their dirt doesn't run down the road, that'd be a different story. But if you keep going through the photos Because that road isn't included. This road isn't even included in the paving, but all of their dirt ends up at the bottom. If you want to keep moving forward please.

1:45:51Is this an alley? Was

1:45:52that an alley?

1:45:53That's Warrell Drive. So if you have your This page out.

1:45:59This is not part of a PVAS?

1:46:01This okay, so this neighborhood is part of the PVAS, but World Drive This road specifically In the middle right here is not.

1:46:13That's not covered.

1:46:15Isn't covered. But the res the those two residents said they would be willing to pave it. Okay, if you want to keep going. Now on the other side of this road, it runs down into this drain. And then they're creating a Well if you go back.

1:46:32They were creating is that swale on the other side? A burn. And then the water would go into the lake.

1:46:43Is that the road? Okay. That's going in to where the berm would be and then into the lake in the back. And if you want to keep going forward, we should be on Cameo at this next point. This is cameo.

1:47:00Is that the line

1:47:01mark coming out of the road?

1:47:03Uh

1:47:03yes.

1:47:04There's there's nothing there. If you want to continue.

1:47:10So they actually put p pipes underneath in two of these areas to get water from one side of the road to the other. And that was permitted. But this is their road. And if you want to keep going north on Cameo? Is cameo and sunrise. And that's their road. And you can keep going. I went up through Cameo.

1:47:36And then this must be a d no, this is still on cameo. This is all the dirt that comes from Adonis and sits on cameo. And when you back up you're actually gonna see the Tilt. Because back then they had the roads that were inverted and then the water went underneath and then it went off to the side. Now all the roads are Uh no. Opposite of inverted.

1:48:01You can keep going. But this is on Adonis and Cameo. If you want to go back to that photo.

1:48:10And then that's the curve. But this is still the road that's getting paved. So if you want to keep moving forward. But that's my concern is Adonis is all this dirt is still gonna continue to flood down and get stuck on this road. Adonis isn't even included. Although they said Adonis to be included would Be Cost prohibitive. So we're going in doing part of a project here.

1:48:38Maybe not. Yeah.

1:48:42Well it's a start.

1:48:44They're all gonna be dirt roads after one storm.

1:48:50Yeah.

1:48:51Does anybody sign up to speak on the side of?

1:48:53I had the one gentleman that said that he actually would have preferred to have Warwell Drive, but they also said that was prohibitive, cost prohibitive, but they were willing to pave it themselves if we would vacate it to them because they're the only two owners on the north and south side of Warwell and no one else has access to those roads. But that is uh that's the road right there.

1:49:15Pleasure of the board.

1:49:17Move to approve the PVAS

1:49:19second.

1:49:21And there's there's no one objecting.

1:49:24Um didn't Commissioner Moore have a motion?

1:49:26Well I I mean it was to die earlier, but no

1:49:28one seconded it. It died for a lack of second.

1:49:40So we didn't get a

1:49:40we didn't get a second on Mr. Morse. Uh but now we have a

1:49:44second on d staff's intelligent expert approval.

1:49:50And I think it would really fix Cameo.

1:49:54More discussion, please. More discussion?

1:49:57Yes.

1:49:58There's

1:49:58no one opposing it. Not much more.

1:50:00No, I

1:50:00I understand that.

1:50:01But um I'm listening to uh uh Commissioner Fitzpatrick talking about Adonis Road, I'm listening to about World Drive. What about Fair Avenue? What's the deal with that road?

1:50:12I mean.

1:50:13Is it that is that a dirt road? It's not in the list. I'm just wondering why. Probably not the dirt, right?

1:50:19Um just to remind the board, the roads that are included in the projects. Other roads that were chip sealed. So we did not include any other pro uh any other roads in this project. So we were directed the roads that were chipsy should be brought back to be board initiated.

1:50:37Forcing just what what's done here. You haven't got any objections Completely different from The last one we just had, right? Dramatically different scenario. We know we're not gonna go do the neighborhood the best way we can possibly do it. I don't know why we just don't pull it back. Go do all the roads, go out to the residence, do a p get a petition leader out there, I'm sure you can get one. Yeah, let's Try to do it all right. By

1:51:01the

1:51:01ordinance.

1:51:02You're saying but do it by the ordinance.

1:51:03Yeah,

1:51:03the

1:51:04regular way. By the

1:51:04ordinance. Yeah. Okay.

1:51:05It's not gonna go through. Half of the roads are flooded and half of 'em.

1:51:11Yeah. I have a motion. To approve and a second. All those in favor say aye.

1:51:19I I made the motion. I did. Oh no, I made the motion. Commissioner

1:51:23Fitzpatrick. Commissioner Fitzpatrick. I'm looking up that street.

1:51:28All those opposed?

1:51:29Isn't somebody not a label to vote in this?

1:51:32No.

1:51:33They voted. I'll probably

1:51:35put somebody not able to vote on this one.

1:51:38No.

1:51:39Oh I was wrong, full

1:51:40board vote.

1:51:41Full

1:51:41board vote.

1:51:42No, I don't know now. I thought you said that's what you said earlier than the next one or something.

1:51:46Well let's do that again. I have a motion on second to approve the project. All those in favor of the project. Going forward. I say aye.

1:51:56Hi.

1:51:57All those to not approve that. Nee,

1:52:00nee,

1:52:01nee.

1:52:04So it fails to pass uh three two. Thank you. All right. That includes everything on the agenda except for um some very short comments.

1:52:16We don't need