Conditional Use Request (Regular) – RR Sharp Properties LLC/813 Towing – Conditional Use for Towing Services and Storage of Vehicles in an C-2 General Commercial District – South Central Pasco County – East Side of Land O Lakes Boulevard Approximately 700 feet south of Cove Lake Place – Containing Approximately 0.62 Acre File Number PDD23-CU06
What the county recorded
Staff recommendation
Approval with Conditions
DispositionDenied
Denied Staff’s recommendation of approval citing inconsistency with Section 402.3, Number 1 the proposed Conditional Use is inconsistent with the goals, objectives, and policies of the adopted Comprehensive Plan, it’s elements, or applicable portions specifically Policy 1.10.1 Compatibility Review the proposed Conditional Use would adversely affect or contribute to the deterioration of the quality
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P seventy seven. Item P seventy seven was published in the Tampe Times on August third, twenty twenty two.
Liam Devine Planning and Development Item P77. Before I begin my presentation, I've received several experte communications from Commissioner Starkey, Commissioner Oakley, Commissioner Moore, Commissioner Fitzpatrick, and Commissioner Mariano, which have been submitted to the clerk's office. This item does have an updated agenda correcting a scribbiner's error for finding a fact number 13, changing the date from September first, two thousand twenty one to um September first, twenty twenty two.
Item P D 23-CU06 in the name of R R Sharp Properties LLC slash eight one three towing. It is a conditional use request for a conditional use for towing services and storage of vehicles in a C2 general commercial district. The subject site is located on the east side of Land O' Lakes Boulevard, approximately seven hundred feet south of Cove Lake Place. This is a look at the oh
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that was Mogadishu.
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I know you see me hitting the plug here, but I did not plug into the to the screen this time.
Okay, here we go. We're on the correct one. Just just a recap. Located on the east side of Land O' Lakes Boulevard, approximately seven hundred feet south of Cove Lake Place. This is the aerial view of the property. Um this is the right-of-way.
Can you go back one slide? Absolutely. Yeah, that's great. I think I want to take a look at that just for a second, please.
That is um Swan's Landing, I think behind it. No,
it says Trump. Thank you for that, I appreciate it.
No problem. So the surrounding future land use to the northeast and south is all R O R and to the west is R O R and I L. The surrounding zoning to the north and south is C two, to the east is R two and to the west is R two and C two. The subject site is currently vacant vacant on approximately point six two of an acre. The applicant is requesting conditional use for towing services and storage of vehicles in C2 General Commercial District. The subject site has a future land use classification of
RRR under the comprehensive plan. The surrounding area is characterized by commercial and residential development, and access to the properties from Land O' Lakes Boulevard and F D. maintain our trailer roadway with approximately a hundred feet 120 feet of right-way width. Um this is a conceptual view of the proposed conditional use project. Um I will make a note here that to the E says a type B buffer. Um in your conditions, um it will actually be a a
type C buffer, um but a little bit shorter than our normal type C buffer, it will actually be 15 instead of 20. Um the reason for that was to have increased um um shrubs and trees along there that wouldn't normally be provided in a type B buffer. This is coming with a recommendation for approval with conditions from Planning Commission and Planning Development Department. I'm here if you have any questions. I'm sure.
Yeah.
Um Yeah, before we go to public comment, because I think we have some people. Sorry that I'm gonna correct. Okay, for public comment. Just a few questions for the team. Um looking for a conditional use um to put this facility there. Tell tell us, I mean, again, talk about some of the the things that are currently allowed on C two, for example.
Give me an example.
So within C2, and I don't have the whole list of permitted uses, but there's there's retail, there's office, professional office, medical, um, quick service restaurants, um self-storage is there. That that's also allowed. Well
that wouldn't go there 'cause we've got rid of the be able to do that on forty one that close. So that wouldn't that lot. Okay, so there's a number of items there. So just just a question, if you don't mind. Um I did watch the Planning Commission meeting um not all that, because it was very long that day.
I watched the whole thing. Yeah,
I think it
took me five tries.
But I I do want to hear public comment. But um I know I ex parte I did I talk talked to s um two citizens. Um I think it was Thursday or Friday Andy, if I'm not correct, and just not your head. Yeah, Thursday. Thursday. Friday where I left.
You know, with us and I'm just trying to get the mindset of the of the team here. Um one of the things we did a few years back, long 41 and 19 and 301, was implement this Blight Ordinance. Because one of the things we were trying to do on that district and those areas was to, you know, clean up the area, let's say. And I know um Commissioner Starkey and I think Mariano and Fitzpatrick too, I mean, had a lot of concerns about um Correct
me if I'm wrong 'cause I wanna put words in your mouth, but uh against uh uh uh with some of the um Fly by night, auto buy here, pay here places along some of the corridors that were You know. Am I am I on the same page? Okay. Up front on the on those on those roads, like nineteen and then forty one is one of those places we have some issues as well. Um and again, correct me if I'm wrong. Um storage of vehicles. So
this applicant, I'm gonna make an assumption is not the type of towing company that is out cleaning up has a d has a uh contract with our sheriff's office or um the local police departments in some of the cities um versus um we're gonna go out to a bar or restaurant, you left your car overnight or you're parking in a no parking zone, they're gonna
take your vehicle Drive there, drop it off, and you gotta go get out of Hawk. Essentially.
I believe that is quite c correct, but I would I would defer to the applicant to better explain
their their type of business. So I guess I'm just trying to you know. Give me an idea of your mindset, because this is a conditional use, right? We it's already zone C two. So there's a lot of uses that could go there now that could benefit Pasco County could benefit the citizens along 41 job more job creating sites versus
a situation we're gonna have to worry about vehicles being stored um we're a budding Go back to that um screen if you would, like three ne three back if you would with the
the conceptual or the aerial?
The aerial please. Thank you so much. So uh I'm looking at this property. And I literally see one, two homes directly behind this property. Now I'm gonna tell a little story. It's not a fun story. But and I told it to Terry and and um David Goldstein we were at lunch break earlier and and Andy as well, my legislative aim. Back in the late nineties I had my car stolen one time. Literally had my
car stolen at four o'clock in the afternoon in four no in front of where I lived and it was in Hillsborough County. I had planned on going on a weekend fishing trip. Down in Naples. And um well guess what? That didn't happen because I didn't have a car to drive there. Four o'clock in the afternoon I decided, let me load my car up, you know, put put put everything I basically, you know, all my fishing gear and I even silly me, had a book bag in there with my checkbook and wallet already. Uh that's gone too. Said, I'm gonna go take a shower. Twenty minutes later come back
down, it's gone. Car's going find it. I get a call at two in the morning. And uh I won't name the the place, but uh I got a call from the sheriff's. I said, Oh okay, let me find some my wife worked nights, she was a registered nurse, she was working nights. I said, Let me find a friend to take me down there to get my car. They go, Well no, we took we had a toad. I go, Why'd you have a toad? I'll just come get it. Well they did some damage to it. I had to go get out of hawk. I literally had to pay to get my own vehicle that got in s that got in stolen at a hawk. And
I said, why didn't you just start it? Well they took pulled the steering column off. I said we can st uh I watch a lot of TV. You can just take a screwdriver and start your car, right?
Prior life.
Well guess what I did. I I took I borrowed a screwdriver and they said make sure you bring that back. Okay.
Started my car and got out of there. Wasn't happy with with the law enforcement at that point in my life on that day because they towed it. But I will sell you I'll tell you this. There was a lot of cars and there was a lot of action going on it probably by then it was about four in the morning. Lots of lights, lots of people, lots of people getting their cars out. Now mine got stolen. Those folks, you know, were getting towed for whatever reason. It wasn't slow. It was busy. So I'm a huge concern about a situation That at
two, three, four, five o'clock in the morning, we're gonna have all this action. of people and I I probably raised my voice that night too, a couple of times when they told me how much I had to pay. So there might even be a little yelling and screaming out in the parking lot that time at night. So I guess I'm just kind of bedazzle a little bit of I guess why we're 'Cause there's so many opportunities. Yeah, we this you know, and I and I appreciate them applying, but there's a lot of opportunities around the period industrial areas, probably areas that don't have actual
homes five feet behind the the lot. Whether it's gonna be lights and things like that. So I don't help me out here. What do we where how do we get to this point where Is there the house? Is it staff recommending approval of something like this?
Yes. So The the way staff came to their conclusion is um there there's commercial to the north and to the south. To the south is uh is a marine plate, marine shop, right, that has boats that have been stored there. There are also a fronting along Land O' Lakes Boulevard, which would be ideal for commercial. So why there is residential behind them, um, because this is a conditional use, we can provide conditions to mitigate any sort of impacts that are um being produced by this conditional use and this type of
use here. However, I will say in these conditions, there's nothing in here that is limiting the time hours of operation. And that was because the applicant stated that once you limit those hours of operation, um the the site no longer works for them.
I
think
I apologize, Commissioner. Thank you thank you. Thank you. Is that you just m kind of made my point a little bit there. You know, this is gonna be going all night long, possibly, right? Depending on how good business they do. And you got homes right behind it. So that one to the I think it's the south where you said that boat area is. Yes. I think I'm familiar with that. They have a bait shop there too?
Yes.
Yeah. All right. I got my boat fixed there years ago, by the way. Nice guy. I'm have a feeling that He's been there a long time before there was any probably zonings done along that area in forty one. It could be wrong, but I have a feeling he's been there a long long time. I I don't I tried to pick my boat up d when I got it fixed like at six or seven. He said, No, I'm already close, so I don't think he's staying up to open too late himself. But um I don't I I'll wait for public comment. I I obviously
have some concerns for this site.
I would like to share my concern because you're sitting here talking about limiting hours of operation for a tow truck company. Now if a tow truck company tows somebody's vehicle, they need to be open All hours of the night, twenty-four hours a day, seven days a week. And in addition, when someone goes to pick up their vehicle and you have a tow fee and an admin fee and an hourly fee and a fuel charge and a daily storage charge and then whatever else other charges, people are gonna go there irate. They're not gonna be happy. They're gonna be causing a scene, and then people behind the residence
are gonna be sitting there having to listen to this drama happen all throughout the Night. They're gonna have to make sure there's proper lighting so vehicles are not being damaged. So This shows a lot of c concern.
Well um is the applicant gonna make a presentation?
I believe the applicant is here and I believe they do have a presentation.
Okay. Let's do that. Then we'll take public comment and then it'll be back to the board. All right. Would the applicant like to speak?
Good afternoon. Chris with A13 towing service.
Uh can you um I'm sorry, can you also state if you've been sworn for the record?
I have been sworn. Okay,
thank you.
Okay. Uh I prepared a presentation for today. So if you like to take a look at it. Let's do it.
Is that gonna run or are you gonna click right here?
Oh, okay. I don't know how to use this. It's my company, A13 Toning Service. It's one of my trucks. Uh that's the first page of my website, as a matter of fact.
It's supposed to have sound too. Must also press something else.
Uh yeah.
Give them give them a second.
Second, in 2020, Pasco County's population increased.
If you go back and go forward it should restart.
But can you turn that down a little? That's that's Eric.
increases in population and employment over the last 50 years and is projected to continue to grow. Between 1907 and 2020, Pasco County's population increased by 639%. By comparison with the same time frame, the state of Florida's population increased by 217%.
And then I
Breakfast meetings in September Hills. She first addressed one of the more visible happiness, the county's surging population growth and its residential and commercial development. As the commissioner stated, obviously you know the county is on the tear. Dora's number one engine for growth is getting people to move here. And you see that happening in our county.
We're growing like crazy, said the Commissioner Oakley.
despite the many fasting luxury apartments that have gone up in recent years. Yet the Commissioner emphasized that county leadership and decision makers are becoming very, very picky on where new apartments will be placed in the area. We do not want to give up commercial and industrial property for apartments.
Is this for this one or the tone?
And then we just tone services are essential.
More need for private property towing services. More traffic equals more cars breaking down, obstructing our roadways. This creates the need for a responsive and capable tool service, not only for housing communities, but also for county road clearance as to keep the flow of traffic clean.
And that is the presentation. And I wanted to add that on a personal note I am a proud resident of Pasco County. And I have been for seven years. I own property in Pasco County. And have been privileged to live in such a close-knit and reputation-based community. I completely understand a homeowner's homeowner's worry of loss of property value. I assure you that I will do my best to keep all facilities up to code. And
furthermore, I will ensure an organized, spacious parking lot that is adequately buffered from adjoining businesses and fellow neighboring communities. I, Christopher Groud from 813TOYME, wish to be a good neighbor.
Madam Clerk, can I ask the gentleman? Yep. Thanks for your presentation. I agree with you. Very very respectful. It was it was very very good. Very well done. Um do you own that property now or do you have it under contract?
No, no, it's uh contingent upon the project.
Oh it's okay
with contingent upon that. Okay.
I didn't know if you might have had something there in the past or something like that.
No, I've been waiting for for the meeting of you know, get the approval to be able to purchase it and to go forward with the closing.
Okay. Yeah, I didn't I just did it. So it's been vacant.
Speaking.
Okay. All
right.
Thank you, sir.
Okay.
I um we're gonna take public comment and then um Okay, just I just wanna unless you have questions.
Sure. If you go back to the last slide Please.
So that white car would be towed and not just given a ticket?
That that that car was has to be towed by security. We are I wanted to say this. It's very seldom that apartment communities in Pasco County ask us to roam patrol for violations. It's usually on a home call basis. So whenever they need something removed as of that trailer with uh taking up three or four spots with the F-450 that would be an on-call. The same as the one uh that was uh the guard of security that was actually in downtown Tampa. And
that one also was on call by the security guard.
And do you have any agreements with Triple A?
No.
Because I know for Triple A we need tow truck companies because people are waiting six, seven hours to get their battery jumped or they're coming to unlock their cars. So there could be a very good benefit. for tow truck companies with they were accommodating the needs of Pasco County residents. But also it would be very frustrating if someone had to go to work and their car was towed for parking on a wet line.
Never nevertheless, uh just like uh DOT has to control the roadways and the traffic on forty one or any major intersection, so new apartment complexes they need to control the traffic of who's in there that belongs and who doesn't. And usually that's done through a permit system.
W uh when I listened to the Planning Commission I did um hear that you work for C D D districts and others and listen I I think that's a legitimate need that we have. Sure. And um My my only question is, is this the right place for this? I I think we need you and I'm And I get the challenges of the forty one corridor because
You've got commercial on forty one, then it's boom, residential.
Yeah.
And there there's no network there to have some roads. or not very many off of forty one where in my opinion your business is better suited. So I get the challenges and Um and looking at that area on the map there's a lot of lakes behind there and so having a road system or a grid that I talk about up here all the time with connected streets. It's it's a challenge for the Forty One Corridor and Um But I'm just not convinced that that's the best site for you. But we're gonna we're
gonna take public comment and then we'll
I think I totally understand that point six two acre is not a huge site and believe me, with the buffer for uh the the range of amount of space I have to give for a vehicle to come in for stacking rights, it makes it even smaller.
Yeah.
The need the need in Pasco County for legitimate roam towing in Pas in uh private property is not that high. Yet I still have to have an area to cover all these communities that do need the service.
Yeah. So all right. Um we're gonna take public comment now. Thank you very much. Thank you.
I have Norman Lancaster signed up, followed by Larry Shrewsbury. So Mr. Lancaster?
I'm not sure do I need to say I've been sworn.
You have to state your name and address and whether or not you've been sworn.
Okay. Norman Lancaster, [address removed]. That's the community that is right behind the uh proposed site here.
And sir, have you been sworn?
Yeah, I have been sworn.
Great, thank you.
I have absolutely no objection to towing companies in Pasco or anywhere alone. Forty one in general. The question is does it belong there? And I'm glad to hear that some of you have the same question.
The only reason for objection that I'd like to discuss today is noise. The Pasco County Ad noise ordinance uh limits nighttime no noise to fifty five D B, except for occasional things that happen. Then you get another ten D B. So that takes you up to sixty five D B at night. 65 DB is the sound of a loud conversation and it's it's sound aloud from a motorcycle at night. So I ask
you. You know, towing c towing trucks are not quieted uh vehicles. They have rattling chains, they have revving engines, they have sound of hydraulics. I was gonna say backup alarms, but I understand that the company plans to turn them off if they remember. Um But the point is would you Like to have uh
Loud conversations and motorcycle noise at any time of the night behind your bedroom window. And the the process of of complaining about a noise violation seems to require that you have to actually prove that it exceeds the decibel level allowed. I don't know many people who have decibel meters, but even if they did, by the time you're awake figuring out what's going on, you get your meter and get back up there, the sound that woke you up is long gone. So I I encourage you all.
The Planning Commission had two people on it who had the compassion. to vote against this request and I hope you'll have that same compassion. Thank you.
Thank you very
much.
Um Larry Shrewsbury, followed by Thomas Larkin, followed by Carol is it Bayersack?
We'll need your name and record. Yes
ma'am. Address. Larry Shrewsbury, [address removed]. And yes, I have been sworn in. Thank you. Um and the aerial pictures you saw, the one that had the swimming pool, that's my house. Oh I know that you have heard from others in the past and there are others going to speak, so I'm not gonna take a lot of their time. What I'd like to do specifically to com to Commissioner Moore is
motion to approve with a motion to receive a motion to receive a file.
All in favor? Aye.
A petition that was circulated on Saturday and Sunday to a neighborhood by myself and my wife. Asking that while I too am a business owner and don't Uh Discourage business. Um I do think that it's an improper fit. And that petition was a unanimous. There are 55 homes there. The people that didn't sign it was because they were not home over the weekend. So I'd like to you, this is your constituency, these are your voters, and this is what our community feels.
Thank you.
Thank you. Uh next to speak maybe the special.
Thank you.
My name is Thomas Larkins. Address is [address removed]. Uh and serve. I serve have you been I I've been sworn in, by the way. I serve on the Homeowners Association Board for Swan Lake. Um There's only a couple of people I haven't spoken to personally about this matter. Overwhelmingly they wanted me to come today to present their opposition. Uh some of the previous uh words you've heard already,
especially from Commissioner Moore, kind of Fit this in a nutshell. Compatibility for this type of business. doesn't go real well in the location. Uh you'll hear from the uh landowner from the one of the sites next to it and she'll reaffirm this. But from our neighborhood standpoint The increased noise, the lighting that will go up on the lot to secure the vehicles, uh the in
and out Late at night. Plus just the appearance outside doesn't make it compatible with what Your commission been trying to clean up already. So we just wanted to make sure that you understand from our our point of view, we'd hope that you would not approve this. Thank you.
Thank you. And next. Carol um Bayersack, followed by Lonnie Piper.
Followed by Mike Ford.
I've been sworn in. I'm at [address removed]. I drew a little chart. Uh my subject is traffic.
Um, you're gonna need to stand in front of the mic though. Um the microphone. The microphone. Your mic.
Oh Okay, I'll stand. Um th we've we've got the a one and only one entrance into the neighborhood. We're south of the lot that they're talking about. The lot is actually three more lots above what I've got here. So the Development. is divided by from the road by this strip of lots. One of them is the lot under contention. When we want this is northbound when we
do not have traffic lights in this area. We've only got these turnarounds. So when we come out of our entrance, we have fifty feet to get to this first turnaround. Next to us is a child care. They have a circle driveway. They actually have a bus drop. other peop other children off after school and the all these parents come, drop their children off, pick their children up. They have also access almost directly across from them to this same turnaround. There's two other businesses here, they all go to
the same turnaround. We have to cross three lanes of traffic. This is the traffic that's going to increase with tow tow traffic. Likewise, coming south Anybody wanting to get to any of these places over here has to go to the next exit south. Do another U-turn through three lanes of traffic to get up to go into these areas. Now, once you get across to do this turnaround. You sit here and there's a turnaround opposite you. This is the turnaround the towing
company would use. When there is a tow truck or anybody sitting here, if you're sitting here Waiting to make your U turn to go south across three lanes of traffic. You cannot see past anything sitting here. The road kind of does a turn. So you have to wait till anything there leaves. Now this person to leave has to go across this three rows of traffic and this traffic is what's gonna increase with tow traffic. There's fifty homes here, multiple cars, over fifty homes,
multiple cars per home. We've also got lawn service, deliveries, all those kind of things. They're all having to do this. going through to the three lanes of traffic which would increase with Vehicles, towing vehicles. It seems hazardous, dangerous. Um I've got my words here. inconsiderate And irresponsible to add that towing traffic to what's
already going on in this one little section. Does that make sense? Just wait. Thank you very much.
All right, we have um Lonnie Piper. Followed by Mike Ford, followed by Lawrence Uh Kwamina? Oh right. Thank you.
All right, if you could go ahead and state your name and address for the record and whether or not you've been sworn.
Elona Roberta Silver Piper Buckle. I now reside at [address removed]. Right, you may proceed? Okay. Um I am the owner. Oh, I'm sorry. Were you sworn in? Excuse me? Were you sworn in? Yes. Thank you. Thank you. I am the owner of the property that's next door to what you're looking to build. I own the tr I owned the trophy business that was there. Um, that building was built
twenty four years ago by my parents. Before that they had another bus they had the same business. It was a little pink house. I don't know if any of you know it. um out on forty one. They basically my parents were basically residents of Pasco County for at least fifty years. Um I like I said, I have recently moved. I moved to Citrus County. I have just been told that um this is a business that wants to go in next to my business, next to my building. um and they want to use part of my driveway as
they're in and out. I will not permit that. They want to hook up. I heard that they want to hook up to my lift station. I will not permit that. Um I was under the impression that forty one was um excuse yeah, forty one was supposed to be aesthetically pleasing. Um I don't think Our towing company. Um I've seen pictures of their towing facility and it's not aesthetically pleasing. Um if you want to grow
forty one you can't put something like this there.
That's basically like you know, basically what I have to say.
Thank you. All right. Mike Ford followed by Lawrence Comina.
Uh Mike Ford, [address removed]. Um I have been sworn in. Um I was at the planning meeting and a couple of you commissioners said you saw it, so you saw my comments and little did we know there was a reporter in the audience, but that made the Laker. So I just wanna for the record, um Say exactly what I said. Nineteen ninety nine? Came up here to teach? Six months later I buy a house in the original Lake Pageant. Twelve hundred homes over there. Which
we all know that that's going to be in front of you very, very soon, some of the issues going on across the lake. That also impacts our side. But the commitment of your predecessors on Accounting Commission was to make sure From fifty four to working its way all the way to fifty two. Things got widened. There were many things that happened, but more so there were many things that did not happen back then. Okay, there are major drainage issues up
and down that road. There are major issues with U-turns with and high volume amount of cars. Okay. I mean in my opinion As much as I like Conerton, there shouldn't be one more house approved until we straighten things up. I know that you guys have extensions on fifty-two, you have the Ridge View extension, it'll take some of the pressure off. But this has been going on for a very, very long time. Okay. And remember you have issues where you just heard um the Mrs. Piper,
I think, um, you know, just stated A lot of those businesses and a lot of those places weren't forced to go on to the city sewer. No natural gas lines were run. We have restaurants that are trying to stay alive, okay, and that's a problem. It's a problem for our neighborhood not having natural gas. You know, we're on propane, we're on this crazy system. There was a point where our neighborhood came in front of you And there were certain provisions that had to be done in order for R fifty five homes
to be built. And it was controversial back in ninety-three, ninety four, ninety five. It was. You go back and read all the minutes, you'll see it. So my Global point here is look. You're left with the responsibility of what your predecessors are and 41 got left in the dust. We've seen the growth out in the west, we've seen the gross growth out in the east, and here's little Atlanta Lakes caught in the middle. Okay, so just keep that in mind as you represent us. You all ran
for election, you're there to represent your areas and your constituents. But I said the same thing in the planning, and you know, I'll say the same thing to you. You know, so I'm just trying to say very general, there's no
So, yeah.
M uh Mr. Ford, are you on um County Septic and Sewer or are you on the M.
Our whole neighborhood has the fortune or misfortune of being a High end neighborhood, but we have a propane loop system. Fifty two, fifty three homes, I think twenty three of us don't partake in the propane.
What
about your
what about your sewer?
Our sewer our sewer was approved by the planning department.
So you're not on septic.
We are on sewer, which again it's a little bit of a sore subject when O'Reilly's got put in because our lift station is tapped for that as well as sugar and spice. Um so that was right when I was moving in the neighborhood. So but that was That was where it went. So those went from Well and Septic to city sewer. So
that that's a subject for that I'm gonna bring up later today. I was just curious.
I I'm sure you will. Thank
you very much.
Okay.
Um one more? Yes, Lawrence Quamina. Do we have anyone online? We do not have anyone online for the seventy seven. Okay.
My name is uh Lawrence Cuomina. Um I've lived in uh and I'm I've I've been sworn in.
And address.
Uh address is [address removed].
Thank you.
And actually I live right across the street from Mr. Shrewsbury in terms of on the inner side of of our pond. So uh I face the wall and uh face his house whereas then on the opposite side of that wall would be this new business that wants to go into that area that I'm hoping that you do. not approved. And I've lived in this neighborhood since nineteen ninety seven when 41 was just two lanes. And I've seen the growth, I've seen the changes, and people used to laugh saying, Why do you live live way out there in Pasco County? And you s probably
some of you are familiar with that. It used to be somewhat of a joke. Why do you want to live way out there? Well, I saw how what was gonna happen, how it's gonna be beautif, how things were gonna be so nice. Um Sometimes we even drive and go to uh Dun Eaton, some of these places where you see trees and all these things and I'm like, wow, they're gonna do that along Land O' Lakes one day. We're gonna have trees. It's gonna be beautiful, it's gonna be nice. And they said that's what they were gonna do over the years. And uh we've been looking at things lately and there's been some improvements. We've been looking at how things have been moving along and getting better, but when I s hear about
my neighbors being subjected who live right across from me, to the fact that they're gonna have noise from uh a tow truck company uh and it's bad enough with the road the amount of traffic that now goes by uh the factor is that we know it's gonna be increased amount of noise. We we've got a sleepy little neighborhood that my my child was two years old is now 27 uh grew up in where the kids could run through the neighborhood and have a great time. It was just a beautiful neighborhood to change that to to make Make it whereas it's now you've got a house or a neighbor who
is being subjected to noise and sounds and lights and all of that. It's not conducive to our neighborhood and and the whole community in general because as you're all trying to do, you're trying to improve Land O' Lakes and trying to improve Pasco County. I don't see how having that particular type of company in that location would be beneficial. And that's basically all I wanted to say. Thank you. Thank you.
And that's the last person who signed up, but is there anyone else here that wants to speak to this item?
And we have no one else online? No one's online. All right, so um did you have a question for the applicant?
No, I just I didn't know if the applicant wanted to come back up. Okay rebuttal is.
Oh the applicant you're welcome to rebut if you like, since you're representing yourself.
Yeah.
Say my name again. Introduce. No, okay. So I'm listening to a few of the comments from everybody in the neighborhood. Uh noise. Uh I'm able, if it is allowed, to set in an additional buffer, uh trees to go up to combat any noise that they they think it might be happening in the in uh in any night operation, which is not much, I'll get to
that as well. Uh if I need to build a soundproof wall of some sort, if that's allowed, I would do that as well. There's already an eight-foot uh cement cinder block wall there. So if I need to build an additional noise buffer just for the just to satisfy, you know, the need right on the back, I I can't do that. The number of vehicles is the next thing, uh, because th the worry is that it's gonna be an all night affair with people coming and screaming and making
all types of noise. The number the average number of vehicles that get towed a night It's about three or four vehicles, give or take. And that is on the more heavier nights, which are usually on Thursday, Friday, and Saturdays. So it would be three nights a week that it was in operation. Usually around the nighttime. Uh and it and it probably stops around three in the morning. and there wouldn't be any
additional lighting or clanking of any uh metals of tow trucks. Uh I have everything uh buffered with um rubber hose to make sure there's no noise. All of my trucks are brand new and they have uh they're certified uh quiet idle.
Can I ask you a question about your trucks?
Yes.
When they go backwards do they go beep beep beep
Nope. That is taking off. That is removed.
Straight from the factory. I I snipped that immediately.
Okay. Our vehicle release protocol usually cuts the amount of vehicles from experience in half. We we run a department of motor vehicles, we have access to auto data direct to find out who the owner registered owner of the vehicle is. We run it before people come down to pick up their cars. That cuts it by fifty percent. Most of the time they are the registered owners. I say about thirty five, forty percent of the time they're not. It's a bar or car, it's somebody else's
vehicle. Therefore that would turn it their vehicle release into a daytime pickup.
Uh And I heard aesthetic and pleasing. Uh the front landscape is gonna be uh built to code and improve over the existing landscape. And That's what I heard that I need to
cover.
Commissioner Oakley.
Yeah Madam Clerk thank you. Um Sir I gotta tell you I think you run a good business. Uh I think you will run a good business. I just think it's the wrong location. Um for a residence to be right behind you as you say till three o'clock at night, there could be a drop off coming in three nights a week. It just I wouldn't want to live next to it.
Yeah, I'm well I'm kinda feeling the same way. Um I actually texted our county administrator say Can we at least use some property on the the complex we have out by the jail? um because to me that seems like more of an appropriate place for this this kind of business. And frankly I think and you know, we just redid our landscape ordinance to say that um car dealers, vehicle storage and all that um, you know, used to have require a seventy five foot buffer,
which isn't realistic. in a lot of places, but when we got rid of that then that opened the door for this and or the of the capability of this coming in and I too just Just don't think this is the right location. And um
Is it a possibility of doing an in t a building where everything goes inside? Um that may be too expensive for this site. But I think um we we have a vision for forty one. that uh especially with Moffitt and and what we know was coming in That doesn't include a use like this in that area. But I do think we we need you. And You know, I hope I hope you can find another location and if we have the ability
to To help you. I'd be fine with that. Um But I I just don't think it's the right location.
Madam Chairman M and on forty one, looking at the plans in our book, it says it would be a module or office, so you you wouldn't even have a cement building or
I haven't decided yet but the cement building almost seems comparable in price for developing.
So again keeping with wood tradefication. I don't think a module or office would be aesthetically pleasing as well.
Yeah.
I don't I don't know. Commissioner
Weightman. Yeah, Madam Chairman M I don't know if I don't have any more questions for you. I didn't know if anybody had more questions for the applicant because while we have discussion, I'm good. What do you want to go ahead and Mm-hmm. I think you can take a seat now. Sorry, unless you had anything else for us.
Nice. Um Yeah, it just to echo some of your comments, um we do appreciate when a business wants to expand and and do well. I mean it's your livelihood and we can we can appreciate that obviously. Um but I do, you know, I agree that this location um concerns me. We had a similar Somewhat similar. situation, uh I think it was last year when it was a um fuel station. um that was looking to go up on a a major corridor as well. And it ab it
abutted some homes very s right similar to this. You remember that? Um
was it right next to them?
Yeah. Just saying. It was similar situation. Um But the person already owned the land and they came back and did something different and they decided to build office. Okay, kudos to them. They did they but they found a use for it. I like how Well Chair Starkey did reach out to the county administrator. So it might be a conversation that can be had. Um there might be a location, you know we could help you out with. Because there's some great sites in Pasco County, especially around some industrial areas as well that might be better
better suited for something like this. Cause we again we want to see you be successful, be successful. But with this one There's another number of things that concern me. So it's it's really not consistent with I'm gonna name some standards here in section for 402.3. Um number one, the proposed conditional use is inconsistent with the goals, objectives, and policies of the adopted comprehensive plan. Its elements are applicable portions. Um therefore specifically it's policy one point one zero point one, which is a cape on compability review. Uh the
pro the proposed conditional use will adversely affect or contribute to the deterioration of the quality of life or property values in the ne immediate neighborhood because there are homes that do abut that very, very closely. Number three, the proposed conditional use is inconsistent with the character of the surrounding area, including the existing land pattern. Number six, the site upon which the conditional use is to be located does not have, nor will it have, screen and buffering sufficient enough actually to prevent interference with the enjoyment of the surrounding
properties, particularly as it relates to noise. And number eight would be the proposed conditional use will otherwise adversely affect the health, safety, or welfare of the sounding uh uh surrounding community or area. So with that I um I do make a motion to deny this application.
Okay. Um Is
that a roll call vote or what? No.
Okay. No All in favor of the motion signify by saying aye. Aye. Opposed? So um sir, we we do want you in the area but not the not that location. So I hope you can find another successful location and staff, you know, I hope you're listening to us something. 'Cause I don't want people to spend money and effort. When they don't have that up to be successful. Yeah,
Madam Chairman I think I think we'll be working and getting with the the team too and talking about, you know, uh the the conditional use process and I mean obviously everybody's welcome to apply. It's just maybe we can they can help you find a better fit without having to go through this long length process in the future. 'Cause time is money. I get it.
And um and that's it.
The landing's attorney's not bad to help you out either. I mean I'm not trying to promote or or uh or somebody in that realm that could possibly assist you as well.
I I did want to say I and looking at the pictures and I've been going up and down the map here and I remember when we added those trees to US forty one? Yep. Um we got a grant from the state and Commissioner We Muleri worked on that. And then they came in and they started yanking out some of the trees and we got 'em to stop. Um I sure would like us to see if we can go back to putting some of those oak trees back down the middle of US41.
So, Madam Chair, I mean yeah, I've worked with very closely with um Um Rep Zika. We had the appropriation. It just didn't didn't make it to the funnel. But we have we have
the money for the trees.
Yeah, well if we can
do it ourselves, that'd be great.
Thank you.
Remember you can't put a tree where you block the view of a billboard, sadly. But we should be able to put some more trees down that forty one. US forty one.
Can we take a five minute break for the next one? 'Cause it might be long. I see a lot of people speaking. Do you mind? Or you can get started. I gotta walk out so
I don't even see that
one.
Right, we have one more, P seventy-eight, and then we'll take a five minute break.