Zoning Amendment (Consent) - Hilltop Vistas MPUD - Belly Wadding LLC - A Petition for a Rezoning from R-1 Rural Density Residential District to MPUD Master Planned Unit Development District to Allow for the Development of 117 Single Family Detached Residential Units on Approximately 39.1 Acres Located on the West Side of Happy Hill Road, approximately 700 feet North of County Road 52

2:52:16So item PC7 is the Helltages Liz MPD now. So it's P23-7623.

2:52:26The proposal is a rezoning or zoning amendment from uh uh I'm sorry, that's the wrong um

2:52:35It is from R1 residential to FPD Mastrophania development to allow for the development of 117 single family detached residential units of approximately 31.1 acres. Again, it's located on the west side of Happen Hill Road, approximately 700 feet north of County Road 52.

2:52:55Subject sites located in the North Market area in Northeast Rule Area One.

2:53:10your existing zoning district with MPUD, the Lake Javita MPUD to the west and AR agricultural industry to the north. This zoning fund hasn't been updated yet, but there was a recent approval to Com Commercial with Companion C2 to the south and R to residential to the northeast.

2:53:37And the future land use is currently Res 1 with Res 6 surrounding to the west, north, and east, and ROR to the south. Again, there was a proposed rezoning to the south to calm commercial changing from the home.

2:53:57This is the applicants proposed to master plan, so as you can see, it's located along Happy Hill Road and County Road 52. There is additional buffering standards that are subject or aligning with the intent of section 604 of the code. Those standards are set forth in the MPD conditions of approval. They take the mail code requirements of section 604 from the buffering standard. Standards and topography and actually goes above the code requirements in some of those areas. Additionally,

2:54:27this is a letting the existing Lake Jovita MPD, the existing Lake Jovita M2D, was actually established prior to the Northeast Rule adoption, around 2004-2006. So the next slide. we'll go further into the utilities connection and kind of frame what Hyatt just explained.

2:54:54So this is going to be your visual for the utility connection as previously stated. The Lake Jovita MQD was existing prior to Northeast Roll, the establishment of Northeast Roll. So as you can see, there is an already existing setup for utilities and water services. So the applicant would like to hook up to the utility water services. services and aligned with the proposed comprehensive plan amendment to REST three, which would

2:55:24then further become consistent with the policies and objectives of the comprehensive plan.

2:55:29Amy, can I stop and ask you a question?

2:55:34The the line the stub out that you just referred to, is the water and sewer sufficient to accommodate the hundred the hundred and seventeen units that are being proposed? In other words, can they can they can they support their development solely based on that stub out or do they have to connect at fifty two also?

2:55:58Um from my understanding the existing capacity that was uh attached actually to the comprehensive plan amendment uh states that the proposed development would be supported and can accommodate and protect two utilities and would not um have any adverse impact to that. So yes, they can uh connect and it would be accommodating the 117 units.

2:56:24Okay. We've also met periodically um with the utilities department specifically on this and they are also in support of the proposal to align with hooking up to the utilities network.

2:56:35I'm just wondering if did somebody actually require that stub out to specifically to accommodate this development. That's my question.

2:56:48Okay, apparently the applic apparently the applicant can answer that question, so

2:56:51but but it's gonna be connected to that existing stuff out. There's not gonna be another connection anywhere else.

2:56:57Correct, and that is the intent, even though it is being removed from the Northeast Roll Area Plan or proposing to be removed to hook up to this connection, there will not be any further connections to the north or to the east and therefore aligning with the intent of the Northeast Rural area.

2:57:22Okay, any questions for Amy?

2:57:24Uh and one last thing there is a the applicant is also seeking a variation from the land element code. Um so the variation request aligns with what we were just discussing. Um the variation request is uh to to Half of variation from the continuation of connectivity between the north and the west and the east to the I'm sorry, the north and west of the joint properties. As stated to the west, it's

2:57:54already an existing Lake Jovita. They're a gated community, so there's an opportunity to connect there. And then to the north, the adjacent portcals are within a northeast rural protection area. They're an existing AR zoning district. The Marshall's range in size is between 1.6 to 13 acres. So that area being the next subdivision is approximately half a mile board. Therefore the potential connection to those larger ones to the north

2:58:24wouldn't be a meaningful or meaningful opportunity for those networks. So maybe I expect better for a PD D it supports the arguments variations of those requests.

2:58:40And with that, we recommend approval of conditions to Board of County Commissioners.

2:58:49All right. Thank you, Amy. Um so anyway we pr we presented all three, P C five, six, and seven. So What we're gonna do is we're gonna accept comment from the uh applicant on all three and from any of the people in the audience and speak on either of the either or all of the three. So we can cover it all at one time. So you

2:59:17wanna begin. All right, Mr. Chairman, Clark Hobby, Hobby, and Hobby PA again have been Warren provided my address earlier. I'm going to I will not use all of my fifteen minutes for all three items, but I do want to reserve the balance of any unused time in case I need it for rebuttal. So just wanted to state that up front. So you all sat through the Pittman and Massey uh changes that went through over the last um couple of months, so you're very much aware of the area. To the west of the property

2:59:47is the easternmost segment. Of uh Lake Jovita called East Point. The lots uh range, most of them are about 60-foot-wide lots, but it started off originally was going to be a townhouse development, and they came back and retooled it. But it was interesting because that uh utility connection that you just brought up, that was worked on as far back as I think 2005. The uh property we're dealing with today was part of the

3:00:18original Pittman-Massey property, and the Pittmans and Massey sold this 39 acres for a residential developer uh I think in 2003 or four, and he had worked out the utility interconnection with Lake Jovita. So that's been contemplated uh all this time and and actually before the creation. Of the Northeast Pasco area. So even before that, you know, the adoption of the Northeast Pasco area, I remember asking staff why they were even including this area and

3:00:48this site and the Pittman Massey ones in Northeast Pasco because at that time they were already overlooking State Road 52 and were next to Lake Joveda and had res 6 everything on the eastern side. The changes since that time have been remarkable and you're aware of of all the things that have occurred. The adoption of VOPH, which starts just on the other side of State Road 52 there. the Clinton extension, which back then was just a thought about where the road might

3:01:18go, and now we built a four-lane road all the way from 75 to 98. And 98 is being four lanes, so you're gonna have this super uh regional connector all the way basically from I4 to 75 through this area. And then of course while we don't uh maybe all agree that it's been all the way we would like. There's been a tremendous amount of development that's been approved in Dade City in this area. So I'll just give you a couple of examples

3:01:48of the scale of the development that has already been approved or is planned to occur just within three miles of this site. There are twelve thousand eight hundred and forty nine units. that have already been approved or are planned to be included within the villages that are within three miles of here or what Dade City has already approved and seven planned developments up Happy Hill Road. or within three miles on Saint Joe Road,

3:02:19And they're also one point four million square feet of commercial that's been approved. Just again, right across 52 there, the Grand Oaks MPUD on the Ayafrade property alone has 900 units and 340,000 square feet of retail approved within it. Um Again. this has been a sea change for this area. So now we're on uh you know, an a major arterial roadway

3:02:49that's a county roadway, but the Clinton extension the approval of V OPH and believe it or not, within three miles is even the boundary to Mara. So there's just an enormous amount of development that's going to occur in this area. And I was in the middle of doing a study that David had asked for some months ago when we were talking about the Pittman Massey project. And I think my math was showing me that there's going to be 60 to 75,000 people living within three

3:03:19miles of this site. that build out of V OPH and what the city's already approved. Now, for a country boy from Dade City, when my whole area from Dade City and all of northeast Pasco all the way to seventy five had twelve thousand people uh in nineteen ninety That's a big difference. So the area has changed. This site arguably never even should have been in Northeast Pasco, but it doesn't make any sense now. And that's the reason why when we settled with

3:03:49the county in 2006 and the new the new comp plan was adopted in early 2007, there are special provisions within the appendix that when you're going to extend utilities to a site or go to res three density, you need to come out of Northeast Pasco. And it says it very clearly and we've met the standards that apply to that and the sections of the appendix.

3:04:14You all are also aware from the Pittman Massey hearings that across the street in the Res 6 area, if you look up where it says Abbey Drive, that's leading into the Sweetwater apartments that were actually constructed after the comp plan was adopted. They started uh getting their approvals in about 2004 or 5, but there's 194 apartments directly across Happy Hill Road from here. And the county more recently has approved, I believe, two R4 developments

3:04:45directly across Happy Hill. So the residential pattern for this area, from what I view as the crest of the hill on Happy Hill on down to 52, the pattern has already already been completely established by the county and the area is more heavily in influenced by what the city of Dade City has done as well. Um

3:05:12The uses we're requesting I think are consistent with the lot sizes that are around us. We are going to do a great job with buffering. While we came out of the northeast Pasco were asking to come out of the northeast Pasco area, we are going to create a landscape buffer that is essentially it's almost twice what's required along the road as it is now. It's gonna have significant uh shade tree plantings, understory plings, and a fence only. there

3:05:42so we're going to create a very nice visual fencer wall along there with landscaping on the happy hills side of it, so we'll have a beautiful area there. And then for our friends over in East Point, and again you all heard this in the Pittman Massey projects, and it's not turned on that layer now, but the western side of this property has a significant amount of topographical change. I mean it's significant. And we're not going to be building over there because it's just not cost feasible at

3:06:12all. So our concept plan showed that our house Are ranging from like 230 to 300 feet away from East Point. So there's going to be an extremely significant buffer there. And Jordan Trader's here and can talk to you about that from Clearview Land Design. But we've looked at it for a couple of years now, and there's just no reason that anybody would ever develop in that area because the fall is too great. And that leads me to the the Map that you were seeing about the wetland. There is no

3:06:43wetland on this site. What you are seeing is there's a ditch that runs back behind the lots in East Point, right along the property boundary, and I believe some of the maps pick that up. The wetland for sure is in the corner of the Pittman Massey site, but they're actually this site is all uplands. So we're also preparing. Providing the interconnection to the Pittman site, it's shown on the MPUD. Again, the reason why we weren't connecting to North Point, I think, is pretty obvious because you're going

3:07:13right into the back of lots. And then north of us, those are actually ag rural lots there, and those people don't want connections and have told their clients as much. So I think that's the majority of what I have on my end.

3:07:30Uh we are meeting the PM10 memo requirements from last year. Um and uh I'm happy to answer questions that our neighbors may have as well.

3:07:40Okay. Thank you. All right, who's the first on the list? Denise.

3:07:48The first person on the list, I'm not sure if you want to split it out because there's some folks that are signed up for PC five. Do you want the first one signed up for PC five?

3:07:57Let's just go whoever was first.

3:07:59Um okay Carol Jankey is the first person on the list.

3:08:05First come, first served, right. And just to reiterate what the chairman said earlier, you can speak on any of the three PC five, PC six or PC seven. Okay,

3:08:16and we need your name and address please.

3:08:18Okay. I'm talking on PC7. My name is Carol Jankey. Uh I live at [address removed] and my property's back up to Roth Lane. I I'm requesting that they only use two homes per acre, half acre lots, to be compatible with Abbey Drive, Lakeview, Timber Run, and Roth Lane, half acre lots. These streets exit onto Happy Hill Road and Roth Lane. I'm also requesting that the proposed driveway cut at

3:08:48Roth Lane be vacated and move farther south on uh between South on 579 past the first Lakeview Drive. Have to go past the first Lakeview Drive. The parent parcel Pittman Massey should have to allow Eastman to Belly, Walding, LLC for interconnectivity to County Road 52, and the Happy Hill exit should be closed except for emergency. There is a precedent.

3:09:18The Sweetwater apartments, Sweetwater apartments had two exits, Happy Hill Road and Janky Drive, a paved road which they owned. They were denied access to Janky Drive and State Road 52 enclosed for emergency use only.

3:09:35This would help protect Roth Land, which is a big problem. We have requested help numerous times for a no through truck sign, the latest being March 9th at 23. No the Smith Road has such a sign. We've asked for speed bumps. We've asked for paving. We were told to get the PVAS approval program. The county and city should repave Roth Lane. because they allowed the city to use Roth Lane for their construction needs. This will happen again with hilltop pistons. On

3:10:06page seven of the timing and phase For this project. The existing traffic counts were conducted during the peak season based on a 2019 Florida DOT. This needs to be redone. Four years earlier is just outdated. Happy Hill Road has seen an increased traffic and two approved subdivisions, which were Summit View, phase one and two, 406 homes, approved in. Two thousand five. Some.

3:10:36Keep going here.

3:10:37And then north the northwest corner of Happy Hill and Sara Lynn Drive, 75 homes, approved in February eighth, twenty-two. Including Hilltop Vista. This would be an additional five hundred and ninety-eight cars using this sorts short stretch of road. We know there is a project on Saint Joe and Ramsey Road, which will add to the traffic to reach Set County 52. and State Road 52. The county needs to start to control the group. And the intersection at fifty two

3:11:08and Happy Hill we want to keep the lights and move roundabouts.

3:11:13All right. Any questions? Okay. Thank you very much. I appreciate you coming today.

3:11:24Richard K. Riley, sorry.

3:11:29Distinguish.

3:11:31Um Richard K. Riley, [address removed], I live in the community of uh Trillbeek, which is about seven miles north of this uh uh site. I'm in the rural protected area. I'm in the three oh one corridor. I'm in the um um my I have AC zoning I have a septic tank, I have a well, I have ten acres. And I'm here to

3:12:01till against windmills because Mr. Hardley did a very good demonstration of exactly why this is so critical to be removed from the rural area. I'm here to try to convince you that the rural area is sacred and should not be violated. Now, the problem is that this thing is all predicated on the rules that say you have to be. out of the rural area

3:12:31in order to have the on plumbing and everything with Lake Javita. So if you agree with me, then the entire project, all three of these things have to be thrown out. Uh please do that. Uh

3:12:48I'm proud that we got the rural area uh in 2007, 2008. That rural area was a uh swap with the V O P H, the villages of Pasiva Hill, and they are down there. They in fact they're on the other side of that road. They touch it. And what I am afraid of is that although this is a wonderful proposal and it's uh uh th got some decent size uh lots and everything, it could be a

3:13:18lot better, but it's uh decent But this is the nibbling at the bottom and uh the uh county staff did a wonderful job of showing all over the rural area and then this little itty bitty dipped on the bottom uh that is uh going to be taken away. Well I say that is the start of something terrible. Um Th this proposal removes a development In the rural area a it

3:13:48is a start of elimination of the entire overlay.

3:13:54If this goes through The next application, just up another um a lot or s or more, will be to re m reduce another five or ten acres out, or then there'll be fifty and twenty acres, and then we'll be up into the uh Evans land on the both sides of their Droby Road as they want to put forty-four houses up there with fifty uh with forty-five foot on uh the front uh uh lots. They're going they're uh Sir Oakley

3:14:24says they're not gonna be forty foot lots, they're gonna be forty five foot lots.

3:14:31My windmills are spinning, I'm we're losing air. I wish you would turn this down on the one part that says it has to be taken out of the rural area. But as has been explained, it has to be taken out to make the designs planned. Thank you for listening.

3:14:51Thank you for being here. Thank you very much.

3:14:55Next person is Nancy Hazelwood.

3:15:02Nancy Hazewood, [address removed]. Um so since I'm talking about two, don't I get double the time?

3:15:13Anyway.

3:15:16Well according to the new math.

3:15:17According to the new math, okay.

3:15:20Two times three is still three. All

3:15:23right. So I'm going to start with what I'm majorly concerned with, which is um the scenic road and

3:15:34Cutting off hills. Uh we've had a nice example and I believe I brought it to y'all and showed it to you that they cut a hill down on Ramsey Road. They cut it down about eighteen feet. You can see an oil tanker and you can see sitting down there and there's a bit of land that they left that's higher than that oil tanker. Now I talked to staff and they told me then the conditions of approval, COA, that the applicant did say that they would

3:16:05make sure there was some nice landscaping, which I hope it's nicer than what's around the solar because that looks horrible. Um and that they wouldn't top off the hill. So that's my main one. Um I'm wondering if what the density is in this. It's tripling the density. It used to be like 39, I think, and now it's like 117. Is it forty acre lots? Is it forty-five? Is it fifty? I

3:16:35was wondering what that was and if he could address that. Um I'm thinking that the applicant doesn't think he can make enough money on where it is now. And he wants to pull it out in the northeast roll. And Richard is right. This will happen again because nobody They don't think they can make money off the rural area. I think they haven't applied themselves in the right way to develop it. In a different pattern. I myself

3:17:06are into the equestrian idea and advertise it all over the horse magazines and the equestrian magazines because we've got beautiful land and where else in the United States can you go in the winter to show your horses? But nobody has gotten there yet. Um, I would also like to ask the applicant if he couldn't do dark night sky lighting out there. That might be a nice

3:17:36little addition. And let's see

3:17:42Are you talking about street lights, you mean?

3:17:44What? Yeah. Street

3:17:45lights.

3:17:46Yeah, dark sky lighting. That's uh another thing that's supposed to be in the Northeast Row area plan. Uh I'm kinda worried about flooding if they do top off this hill or even if the way it is. But I'm assuming that they're gonna cover that. Yeah, I and I've just gone through a lot of the projects in Dade City and the developers promised there would be no flooding and there was anyways. And the citizens have

3:18:16no recourse because they say, Oh, it's a hundred year incident or this and that but it continues all the time, the flooding. All even in their kitchens apparently. Okay. Uh

3:18:32I think that's it. Thank you all for listening. Appreciate it guys.

3:18:36Thank you very much.

3:18:39Next person is Beverly Hartman and after will be Peggy Byrne and I apologize that I can't read the last name. Liz Kutch. Yes. Okay, thank you.

3:18:51I mean it's Beverly Harmon H A R M A N and I live at [address removed]. As much as I would like to uh follow this gentleman and say, Yeah, uh we'd we'd love to see that stay rule, it's probably not gonna happen. Um realistically, I've lived on Timber Run for 20 years. Um we've been watching That pasture and thinking that shoe's gonna drop someday and somebody's gonna build on it. And it's happening. So,

3:19:22what we'd really like, or what I would like, what my husband and I would like, is to see two homes per acre, you know, not any more dense than that. Access and egress on County Road 52, now County Road 52, not on Happy Hill. Because we have to come out on Raw. We live on Timber Run, you come. Out onto Happy Hill from Roth. Roth is right where the crest of the hill comes down. I go down Happy Hill on the wrong side of the road a lot of

3:19:52times because the people pop up over that hill and you just can't see them until they're over the hill, especially the young guys on the motorcycles from the apartments. You know, they'll pop up over that hill and get a little little airborne. So we need to make sure that they're not coming out of this new development anywhere near Rothbang. Also, if we could block off roughly, I'm not sure how a lot of the other residents would feel about that, but block off that entrance on Happy Hill and just make it exit excuse

3:20:22me, exit out onto Mm-hmm. um Jankee Drive at 52, the other end of it, and quit making it a a cut through because it's a little shortcut. Um and no roundabout at State Road 52. We've heard that they're gonna take that stoplight out and make it a roundabout eventually. That stoplight has been a blessing down there. It's really, really helped. Um to take it out would be really bad news down there. Now we've also heard just yesterday that

3:20:53the Saint Leo or Saint Leo Abbey golf course has sold. So that's going to be even more development out there, which is going to mean even more traffic on County Road 52 and the new State Road 52. So the the light is going to be really essential at that intersection. And I still have a minute left, but I'm done. Thank you.

3:21:13Thank you very much. Yeah.

3:21:21Next person is Peggy Byrne.

3:21:27Peggy Byrne, [address removed]. Um I I have to address first Mr. Hansel's comments earlier referencing PC2. Aren't we having simil similar rezoning questions here? What happened with the Northeast rural area? That suddenly This was important then, but it's not important now. It just happened. It just seemed like it depended on who owned it, and if they had enough

3:21:58power behind them, you guys passed it along. Everybody that lives at any part of this area feels that way. And this well, having all three of these at one time almost seems outrageous. Where is the study on water? And where is the study on electric? Are you aware that the people at East point regularly have power outages and TICO engineers have not been able to fix it. What are they gonna do when there's all those homes there again? What's gonna happen? More people

3:22:28with power problems and Tycho saying, We're working on it, we're working on it. These areas, these things need to be addressed. They're serious issues. I'm worried about the impact of the Category One wetlands that are in the front that are over in the Pittman Massey area because that whole area, however small it gets along the back of East Point, it is a depressed area because the topography is so much higher. on the Belly Wadding property and that part of Pittman Massey where it meets East Point. Very

3:22:59high. The water runoff is extremely high on a r on a heavy rain. Not a hundred year rain, gentlemen. Just a heavy rainy day. There is water all over the place. We haven't talked about the environmental, the gopher turtles. Dozens, not twelve, fifteen, dozens all over the place. There's holes all over the property back there from gopher turtles. Are we just gonna mow them down? Does the EPA know this? I know you can pay I think two hundred and fifty dollars to move one, but has anybody done a study on that?

3:23:29So we've seen no study on water impact, we've seen no study on the electrical impact, because I don't think you're aware that TICO has a problem because TICO doesn't want to advertise it. So there's a problem there, so now you're aware. And we'd like to find out just overall what the exact um area, the buffer zone they're proposing to East Point. We're saying, oh it's gonna be very nice. Well what is it? Is it a fence? Is it a wall? What's gonna be there? And I I would fully support half inch uh excuse

3:23:59me, half acre lots less development there because I'm worried only about the water runoff from individual homes. I'm worried about that. I'm also worried about the traffic impact. And I'm really worried about the lighting impact. That property is so much higher that even if they took it down by half, there's still gonna be a tremendous amount of water. I invite you Go walk, go park your cars at East Point and go walk in the back. You will see what I am talking about. This should

3:24:30none of this should be approved. It should all have a continuance and we would respectfully request that you please take the time to look at the water, find out about the electric figure out what the lighting impact would be on everybody along that area and even out onto Happy Hill in 52. These people are absolutely correct. The ha the traffic issues are going to be tremendous out there and nobody is addressing it. It is a county road reduced from the state road that it was.

3:25:00It's smaller. It's not anticipating all this traffic that it's going to have. And we just would like somebody to please listen and please do the time and the research so the people there can at least feel that you're listening to them, that this isn't just being mowed down and someone's getting their way and we have no impact. Thank you for your time. Yeah.

3:25:20All right. Yeah, I think we have one more, lady?

3:25:29Save the best of last, huh?

3:25:33My name is Liz Cooch. I live at [address removed]. And my um main concern is I don't really think anyone's gonna stop the production of the homes. That's my opinion, of course. And be I've lived there many years, yeah, over forty years in fact. And um The biggest problem I see is when I come out of my driveway and I go round a corner, the stop sign is there of course. Happy Hill is right in

3:26:03front of me. The only big concern that we I have at least is getting out on that road. Uh it's the the the buildings are gonna be in place, the homes are gonna be in place, which is good. they need to make a passageway for those people to go down there or go up. because it's the road's not big enough at all. and have these people that come over the hill and come up the hill, they don't stop. These people

3:26:33are not gonna stop for those people that are coming out of those mo homes, I'm telling ya. They do not stop and it's a lot of traffic. If they can come up With the builders or the contractors or the county can come up with an idea of a different way of coming out of those homes. So the traffic would still travel. And maybe go down the hill and find a better exit. That's what you need to think about. It's the homes are gonna be built. I we

3:27:03all know that. It's gonna be probably a very nice area in fact. However, we're more concerned about Roth Lane, because that lane is very tiny, very tiny. And if these roads are gonna keep coming back and forth and the traffic's gonna keep on going, something someone will g end up getting hurt. An accident is inevitable. So that is my c answer to ask you if you all can come up with a way the contractors

3:27:34can build a way for them to go down or go up and yet let us traffic keep on going. Thank you.

3:27:41Thank you very much.

3:27:46Is anyone else here to speak in public?

3:27:53On i any of the three.

3:27:55I've been Sworn and my name is Rodney Bailey. I live at [address removed]. Is it possible to show an overview of of the project in question for PC seven?

3:28:09Which I'm sure you're already familiar with. My home sits directly on the corner of Roth. So I I've got pretty good visual sights right there on Roth and traffic has in the last four years been horrendous. The last two days and I think three accidents in the last month have been serious accidents. And it's happened just coming down Roth Avenue there.

3:28:39Uh one was a motorcycle just I think four days ago. I personally went over and picked him up. I was sitting out in my front yard and he flew off the road, went down into the Gully and he lived over on Lakeview.

3:28:52He's coming down Happy Hill or

3:28:54he was coming down Yeah, he was coming down Happy Hill north to South and I'm not sure exactly. I all I heard was the noise and him flying through the air. Uh my concern is the traffic and when we came to the community meeting with the uh council that represents the uh their client, I spoke to him

3:29:17pretty lengthy and I never really got Any anything solid from him as far as that's their project. They're not concerned with what's gonna happen with us. Their project is their project, ours is our responsibility as far as to the east of their project. And what I'm concerned with is that access being the primary access coming into Ron. My wife's a paraplegic

3:29:48safety is a major issue of mine. Major issue. She's been paralyzed for 47 years, retired school teacher, and Roth Avenue. I can't even walk her down the street. The street on Roth at the widest point is 17 feet. Some of the narrow spots are three, thirteen feet. It it's insanity. that cars will not pull over without any hassle for me when I'm telling them to

3:30:18slow down.

3:30:21My wife's in a wheelchair. Mm. They they get real reluctant with me. I it it's confrontational at some point in That's not a good thing. No. Um at all. Safety is huge and that's what we're here for is to control this. And it's not about value on two hundred and thirty-five dollars per square foot right you you're gonna purchase on these homes. I'm concerned about the community. And if we're gonna do this in this community Uh

3:30:53that's all I've heard. from is a plethora of how the growth is gonna go. I mean let's get control of it and make sense out of good projects. Um Safety's huge. That downhill coming I believe it's seven percent grade, if not greater, from the top of Happy Hill coming down, it's huge. The speeds I have uh uh surveillance cameras all around my home. It it's mind-boggling the

3:31:23speeds. I'm talking well over a hundred miles an hour daily. And that's going north and south up and down Happy Hill. if we make this an intersection, which this project will do at Happy Hill and Raw, is mind boggling to me, why we would put a uh Intersection. on a downhill grade that's steep, when the speeds are already insane there is nobody that stops when

3:31:53they come up Roth Hill going from the east. going to the west. Nobody stops at that stop sign. Nobody. I've got surveillance films. I'm willing to show 'em to you. It it's mind boggling. I don't want to specifically say who it is, but I I I I watch it a lot and I say I've personally had stuff stolen right from that c that area. But safety's the big thing. There's no speed bumps being put in, the road's not gonna be and it probably can't be widened

3:32:23too much more. Um but i i if you look at the road it Roth used to be Old 52. Used to be. And they widened it and made fifty two and now this project is gonna make it the second fifty two. And right now I c I can't even push my wife in a wheelchair. It's something I think you guys could look at and their project managers and their attorneys are gonna say they can't move it. That's insanity to

3:32:54say you can't move it. Lakiew is a much better access. People wouldn't go through and use that access. If you look at the overhead, if you go much wider. where you turn down from if you're coming from the east. A fifty-two, if you're up here on the top, you're coming down. If you see how the road turns right there, It's very easy for people to go straight into Roth Road right there. And from this it looks like it goes straight. It doesn't. That's not designed to

3:33:24be a freeway right there. That's why the new 52 is in there. It's designed so we have a flow of traffic up in the new area, not Roth. That that's it's as you guys go home tonight, it's right down the road. Drive down there and take that little turn and drop down and look at how that, how unsafe that is if the homeowner's right there. And I'm on the other end. It it's horrible. It's horrible. They probably replaced I would say at least Two

3:33:54mailboxes, if not more, that I know of. But safety is a huge concern as far as shutting that down, speed bumps immediately. I mean that that's something that could be done very cost effectively. I mean, big speed bumps to slow it down and deter it. I've personally stood down here on the bottom of 52 in Happy Hill and I've watched cars come from uh Caddy Road fifty two to see how many cars actually turn to go up right that are actually coming down fifty two and turning

3:34:24to go up Happy Hill. I I'd say the percentage is less than one percent, one to two percent. It's mind boggling. If you stood there and watched all the traffic that turns up Happy Hill, nobody does. They take that little shortcut coming up raw. creating a fifty-two. that you all designed to be moved out and now we're gonna put in another project doing the exact same thing and creating an intersection

3:34:55mind boggling. But I appreciate any input you all can have and I'm sure the council will say they can't do anything. That's why you're here is to help

3:35:05me ask you a quick question. Does Roth has sidewalks

3:35:08Absolutely not. And it's

3:35:12I'm sorry, I we're trying to listen to this gentleman.

3:35:15It's upsetting to me because yes or no? Does it have something? No, it doesn't. Thank you. Yeah. A ADA is is phenomenal. That would be uh a huge thing. Just the street itself, I can't push my wife without the the caster wheels, the little ones in the front. grabbing her to throw her forward. It it's it's almost impossible just to push somebody on that road.

3:35:39Thank you very much. I appreciate the answer. So I

3:35:41appreciate everything. Thank you very much.

3:35:46Did

3:35:46you have questions or not? Any other questions? I have a question for staff and not for myself. Very good. Thank you very much.

3:35:51David, before you do, I I think I might have some good news here. Um we had already agreed to a condition that said we would look at the site access more as we went through you know the development review process. Um but I think my client has agreed that we will put in a right turn lane. We'll agree to that and add that to the conditions. We do need to study the length of it. It wasn't required pursuant to the actual timing and phasing and access management analysis. But I do understand the area.

3:36:25About a mile and a half from this area. Unfortunately, because of the level of growth in Dade City over time, and some of the redesign of Happy Hill Road that I suspect will occur to accommodate what the city's done, my strong suspicion is that speed will come down over time just based on the amount of traffic that's occurring there. But what they're saying about Roth Lane has been something that's been occurring most of my life and apparently now that there's more uh development in the city north of here. People are cutting through on

3:36:55their local street, which really shouldn't happen. And I was hoping that maybe the commissioners would install some speed tables or something like that. But we want to make sure we're safe getting in and out. That's I mean, there's no question that our clients feel that's important. I just need to have Steve be able to study it during the uh development review process to d figure out the length of it. Now, having said that, and I've got other stuff I'll respond to, but I think there are a lot of questions about why the alignment is at Roth and and

3:37:25the the roadway design. So I was gonna ask Steve Henry to come up and maybe um give you his thoughts on on on why that's been done with staff.

3:37:34That's a good idea, yeah. 'Cause I think a lot of questions that revolve around access. That's right. Ingress and egress.

3:37:47It's 5023 West Laurel, Tampa 33607. And what I'm putting up here is a graphic. It's an aerial graphic. And what we've done is uh shown the um access for the project um and we've done that over top of an aerial. And and part of it is trying to fit again.

3:38:06Yeah.

3:38:12There you go.

3:38:15Alright. North is to the right here. To the right. To the right. Um but it's

3:38:21kinda if we can get it or clearer. Route to counterc there we go. Oh. No.

3:38:28The other way. Counterclockwise one eighty. There we go. There you go. Okay. Well that's good enough. But a little blurry, but all right. Um so we've got a um Southbound left turn lane on Happy Hill that goes to 52. And then we're putting in a northbound left turn lane. Although actually that the analysis and the and the volume show it's not warranted, but obviously we're putting a northbound left turn lane in here. That northbound left turn lane needs to be 340 feet long for

3:38:58the D cell and the Q. And if you look at that, that is right at the back of The existing southbound left turn lane onto 52. So what we're doing is so the the problem is is moving it further south. We either have to shorten up our left turn lane or shorten up the left turn lane onto 52. So from that standpoint, that's kind of why it is kind of established where it is. And and as uh Clark had indicated, we're willing to, in addition to the left turn lane here, to go ahead and build a right turn line southbound right

3:39:28turn lane for the project access also. Additionally we did look at counts.

3:39:34So you're talking about a southbound right turn lane into Roth? No, into the pro into their project. At Raw. Right internally, yeah.

3:39:47And also, uh one of the uh it was uh Mrs. Jenki hit had commented on the counts saying they were 2019. They were actually the counts were done in 2022. Uh what she was referring to is there's a a form that DOT puts out seasonal adjustment factors. That seasonal adjustment factors were developed by DOT in 2019. But the counts that we actually did for this study were in 2022. In addition to that, you know, just to give

3:40:17you an idea of the volumes, just so you've got an idea coming out of Roth in the PM peak hour.

3:40:29Just so you've got an idea of the numbers. So this is existing peak season volumes. There's 17 cars making a right, three cars making a left in the PM peak hour, nine cars coming southbound making a left, ten cars northbound making a right. And virtually the same volumes in the A. We did AMN PMP cowards, but searches, so we're not talking about a high volume intersection, but we are designing it to accommodate that's why the the reality is the right turn lane and the left turn lane weren't warranted because of the volumes,

3:40:59but we're putting those in from that standpoint for this access.

3:41:05Can I ask my question?

3:41:06Yeah, all right. So Steve I guess this is for you and our staff which is I'm not sure left and right turn lanes necessarily reduce speed. Is there something that could be done to the road itself that reduces speed. I mean like things like a chicane is there some Is there something that could be done to control speed? 'Cause I'm not sure like I said, left and right turn lanes just take people

3:41:37off the through lanes. They're not necessarily like maybe even increased speed because now you freed up the through lanes. So and the corollary to that is would staff even support speed tables on a collector road? I don't know that we would. But I have seen us for example, as like on Northwood Palms Boulevard, speed was a concern when we connected fifty-six to County Line Road and they ended up Jim Whitman came up with something called the Chicane that he put there.

3:42:07Well the Chicane day.

3:42:08Yeah.

3:42:09So we ended up putting in many mini roundabouts is what we ended up putting in on the

3:42:13what I'm asking is is there anything like that that can be put on happy? Hill road that would reduce the speed. That would that would be acceptable on a collector roadway.

3:42:23Yeah, we had the same issue on Curly Road. And we've ended up putting in roundabouts to be able to take that from a fifty five mile per hour road down to a thirty five, forty forty mile per hour road. So, you know, the reality is that those are the type of things that that you can do. You know, can you put in chicanes? Y you can, or roundabouts. Those are those are typically what we put in on more the county or collector roads as opposed to local streets. But

3:42:49a roundabout work? Work at Roth and your project access?

3:42:53No, there's not enough right-way to be able to put one in.

3:42:59And and there's gonna be a roundabout at it it ultimately gonna be around about at fifty-two.

3:43:05Jordan Trader, Cleavery Land Design 310 West Isle Street, Sweep 150, I have been swarmed. Southbound Happy Hill, because of the visual sight distance, everyone tries to catch the green before it turns. So people speed down Happy Hill. I did it in high school, okay? It because 52 is in super, though what happens is people make it and then it's almost concerning as they go across it. We are not part of the roundabout project, but if people don't feel pressure to make the green and they can approach that at a safe 20 mile. It's a county regional issue.

3:43:35Again, that roundabout will slow that traffic movement down. But everybody as soon as you crest the hill north of Raw, it's green and you want to catch it and everybody flies down.

3:43:45So are you saying you could put a roundabout there off?

3:43:48There it's not our project, but there's a regional county project to potentially. He's

3:43:51talking about the roundabout at fifty two and happy hill.

3:43:57Oh yeah. Yeah, that's already planned already the route study's already been done. That is planned? Yes.

3:44:03Yeah, and I think that makes a lot of sense 'cause I think what you said is exactly what I would do is I if I was a teenager.

3:44:09Well I was here where we did the Chicanes and they all put John Gallagher statues in the middle of them. Uh then this this is a different situation.

3:44:16But you uh in your opinion, I guess I'll ask you I made a last out the same question, with the roundabout at fifty two and Happy Hill, when would they start slowing down? I mean I agree with you, people do tend to slow down before they get to a roundabout. How far north when they start slowing down.

3:44:36Well I can I th I think as Jordan had said, I think that part of it is trying to hit that light. So at this point when you know you've got to slow down to twenty twenty five miles per hour, th th they're gonna start slowing down north that there's no reason to go a hundred miles an hour because you're not going to hit that roundabout. at a hundred miles an hour. So you're gonna hit it at twenty-five miles per hour. So you're gonna start slowing down prior to that. Members of it,

3:44:58the roundabout's design with a radius it requires you to be at twenty miles an hour, so you have to start decreasing

3:45:02your speed to come into that approach. And they'll put it and they'll do what what's called a chicane prior to that to even slow 'em down before they even get to that roundabout so they're not hitting that roundabout speed. Where

3:45:14would it where where would they put the chicane?

3:45:17It's actually it's it's to the it's the approach if you actually and I don't know if you've driven um curly road, uh but on the south side of the first roundabout as you go north From fifty four going north, we put a chicane in that roundabout. It's just as before you hit the roundabout, we put a little chicane in there so that slows people down before they get to the actual roundabout itself. But that's again, so there's another thing right before that. So people are going to be slowing down prior to that roundabout because

3:45:47they know that. Approximate

3:45:48measurements of fifty-two from Roth is about a thousand feet.

3:45:57I'm sorry but the proper procedure is you can only come up once. Okay, sorry about that.

3:46:07So

3:46:10But you're saying the county's gonna is uh I have not seen the design plans for this. Are you saying the county's already planning to put a chicane? Pardon?

3:46:21I'm just trying to figure out how does that work with your left turn lane. Is it south of your left turn lane? Yes. Yeah oh yeah, it's south of the left turn line.

3:46:31And you're saying Shakine wouldn't work at Roth and your entrance?

3:46:38Uh no, I don't think you'd want to put a chicane

3:46:43at at that location. I'm not sure you can design a chicane at that location. Let me say one more thing too.

3:46:48This location, because you're cresting over the hill, you need visual distance to see it approach your roundabout. Like when you come to fifty two, you'll come to it. And all it is is the island entering, is what Steve's saying. But if we put it at raw, you're up we don't know that we'll be able to get visual sight distance. Someone coming at forty five can hit the brakes and get to twenty. So we want We want this north south free flow movement and we're we've agreed to add, although they're not required, a northbound left D cell and a southbound right D cell to make that a safer intersection.

3:47:17And is there a sufficient right-of-way for the county to put the Shaking the southern Chakine?

3:47:21Again, it it's part of the roundabout.

3:47:33Okay.

3:47:33Uh that that as you go into it. Um but it but it yes, they're there they were there acquiring the right of way and I believe when the last zoning came through they had to provide the right of way sufficient for that roundabout to go in.

3:47:49What can you do if anything I can

3:47:50confirm that by the way that was part of the Pittman Massy approval. There's additional right-of-way that was being approved.

3:47:57What can you do to c slow traffic north of Roth?

3:48:03That was something I was gonna mention. So um the gentleman that came up to speaking might be able to answer this question. Are there always stops at uh the two intersections of Timber Ron and Roth? Or is it just Uh are there stop sign we I know there would be a stop sign.

3:48:20I'm sorry, we can't we can't talk from the audience. If you want to call him up, uh Eric.

3:48:26There's a stop sign right at my home and it's right at Roth.

3:48:30Right at Happy Hill, correct?

3:48:32Correct.

3:48:33So but further up Roth, uh there's two intersections of Timber Run.

3:48:37Yes. No no stop signs?

3:48:38No stop signs there.

3:48:40Nothing there. And their stop sign is at the very end going up to the uh new well

3:48:47somewhat new. So that that might be something that that Could be considered as a as an all-way stop for both of those intersections of Timber Run or at least one of them, and that would slow down traffic on Roth, and that would potentially discourage people from cutting through Roth uh from this uh development of Route 52.

3:49:06I I I mean the project's not even built yet in the last four years. I don't know these numbers that this gentleman was giving, but I sit out. There every single day, and they're a lot larger than the numbers he said. And like I said, I have surveillance uh daily, both up Happy Hill, going all the way up Happy Hill and Roth. And it it's massive. Trucks, I mean, we have 40,000 pound trucks that are coming by there daily, and that's not to disprise.

3:49:35I think he's talking about cars coming out of Roth on the Right.

3:49:38Down east to west on Roth going up here. Cutting through Roth,

3:49:41yeah. I'm I'm not a traffic engineer, but uh in my experience with all installing all way stops is a good discouragement of getting a bunch of traffic to cut through.

3:49:53No, on uh

3:49:53on the east end I don't know over

3:49:58traffic there, but there's I mean, I I'm not gonna like I said, I'm not gonna say But that

3:50:03might help with cutting through on Roth.

3:50:05Okay. No one's stopping at that light. Right,

3:50:09stop part of this project, but that might be something for the the BCC to consider Steve.

3:50:14Steve Steve, I got a one question too. Um is there any concern and uh it looks like kind of what's driving the location of that access point to the project is that broth lane intersection? Yeah. Is there any concern with that not being at the top of the hill? Does anything does it make it better or worse if you move that that access to your project north to where you're at the crest of the hill?

3:50:33Well the the the problem is if you move it north, then the the our northbound traffic turning left into our project is conflicting with the southbound lefts that want to turn on to Roth. So you got a con i an inherent conflict there. That's why we we're having to align them. If you follow what I'm saying. So if we move Yeah, I follow. If we moved our axis,

3:50:56moved it up here.

3:50:57sir, you can speak. Yeah, I'm sorry.

3:51:04So if we move it up there, the the issue becomes is our we have a northbound left turn lane into our project that now crosses across Roth Lane. And so the people that go are trying to get into our project are conflicting with the southbound traffic trying to get onto Roth Lane. So that's why we're aligning it. So that that's the problem.

3:51:24Well it looks like the crest of the hill, the reason I asked the question, it looks like the crest of the hill's about five hundred and fifty feet north and you said you need a three hundred and fifty foot, forty foot turn lane. Sure. So that's why I

3:51:33was asking. Right. Yeah, you I me that that's the southbound right and we can get get that. Oh you cut on J there's other driveways on the

3:51:39east side that are north that all those driveways were put before existing county spacing criteria. Right.

3:51:48which what drives Raw could be the primary.

3:51:53So what were you saying about a four way stop?

3:51:56So just just basically that um that can discourage cut-through traffic. So if a if a concern is that people from this project are gonna come straight out to go into uh fifty-two uh eastbound, then that may discourage some of that traffic and may slow down traffic on rough as well um by installing a an all-way stop at Timber Run. So

3:52:19they won't see Draw off as a shortcut.

3:52:21Correct, correct. So that that would encourage them to make a right out of the uh development on the Happy Hill and go down the fifty two and turn there. Yeah. So that may solve some of your concerns with with Ron.

3:52:35Yeah. What does anybody know what the posted speed limit is of Happy Hill? Seventy five, I think.

3:52:45Depends if you're

3:52:46going

3:52:46from south to south to

3:52:47north.

3:52:53Probably twenty, it should be.

3:52:55Mr. Chairman, I I just want to remind the Planning Commission again, we have the standard condition. We've got to continue to look at this. This is not the finalized location on uh site access, so we expect during the the site plan review process we'll continue to go through this. The only my only word of caution and I I understand what the gentleman's saying, I'm not discounting anything that he's saying, but we need to do this on a scientific basis that takes into account all of the safety factors because that's what I was trying to explain

3:53:26in the the community meeting because Steve was there and had spoken and he said the safest way for everybody is to align it at Roth because otherwise you have multiple conflicts and the turning movements. I'm not an expert in it so I gotta rely on Steve's

3:53:40I can understand that I just think the what I I think all of us want to just make sure that the people that are here today know that we're addressing their or we're trying to address their concerns.

3:54:02Because people should this is a very small Local street. I mean, I've been going on my whole life. It's a neighborhood street. It's not to the right-of-way wits that any of our current stuff would be built to. And because people are cutting through, and and honestly, it's because some of the mine activity over the last 10-15 years on Dr. Wyland's property. uh people have been driving it and the roads potholed to death because some of the truck traffic that's gone through there. And

3:54:32I really would, you know, commend this to the resident commissioner that we help find some way to dissuade through traffic 'cause it's not meant for that. Great idea. Thanks so and I and I'll be happy to, you know, take that up before the the County Commission meeting. But I I just couple things I just want to come back to the bigger picture issues on Northeast Pasco. I would remind my friends who are the advocates for Northeast Pasco of a couple things. The overall boundary in Northeast Pasco

3:55:02has 61,700 acres. Acres of land. This is a teeny tiny little pinprick, and the board instructed staff to take two other sites out of Northeast Pasco in about 2016 or 17, and it took staff three years to get to it. It has made absolutely no difference of the development of any land around it. This what we're gonna do here, I don't believe we'll have one iota of effect in Trilby and Blanton. This is a completely different area, and the board's smart enough

3:55:33to see that. And again, the the level of development that we're talking about here, you know, 110, 115 units, it just it's I think I my math was that's about 0.7% of the development that's already been approved by the city and the county within three miles of the area. So it's it's just absolutely negligible. So anyway and and again we're next to the utility, so that's what's driving the whole thing.

3:56:01Clark, I have a question. Sorry, unrelated to traffic. It has to do with sat packs. Primary front structure setback. In the table in the conditions of approval it says fifteen feet, but I think on the master plan.

3:56:15It says ten feet. We discovered that today and we're gonna fix it. It's fifteen. I can confirm that. So that the master plan's wrong in the table.

3:56:25Is there a problem providing twenty-three to the front garage?

3:56:30We are going to stick with last year's memo on this one after discussing it with the higher ups. That that was what the agreement was. That's why we're doing additional landscaping and some of the other things.

3:56:44Okay. And I assume you wouldn't object if we added the same language about the water main under the sidewalk and five foot of easement.

3:56:53I would not object to that at all. No.

3:56:58Okay. Well thank you all. I appreciate it. I mean it's been a very long and thorough day, but again I do appreciate the neighbors. We're trying to do something that's responsible here, but this site was been, you know, planned for residential development going back over twenty years. So I really don't think we're doing anything irresponsible.

3:57:14So Clark, I do think he should probably have a discussion with Venkat before this goes to the board just to see if there's anything that can be done or what if anything could be done in the control speed on Happy Hill.

3:57:27I I'm I'm happy to have Steve get with him. That that's no problem at all. We're happy to do it. Again, uh we do not want to cause a safety thing for anybody coming out of Roth.

3:57:36I just don't know that he's gonna support speed bumps on the on a collector road, but there may be something else he would support to do on Happy Hill.

3:57:45Happy to discuss it. I mean And again, I'm as biggest violator. You know, when I was growing up there wasn't a lot of development there, and I can remember driving over a hundred on Happy Hill Road, I'm not gonna lie. That's what I was gonna say. I

3:57:55didn't want to tell everybody

3:57:56that. It's changed it's times have changed. Anyway, thank you very much.

3:58:01Okay,

3:58:01thank you.

3:58:05Downhill. Downhill.

3:58:09Only downhill. Bop the clutch.

3:58:17Okay. Uh here motion.

3:58:23And

3:58:23I'll make the motion to approve.

3:58:25Well

3:58:26Dave, you wanna include some things. I think Mr. Moody was suggesting that we I gotta find the right condition.

3:58:33It's number twenty nine. Well, I think he's saying the condition number twenty nine is correct. It's the master plan which is incorrect.

3:58:43And then the language added.

3:58:47That was forty six in four G Range.

3:58:50No, but in this one worth the tree line with.

3:58:52Oh, uh that higher up.

3:59:07Might but

3:59:12Welcome to

3:59:15David, I would think the bottom of twenty nine under the table might be the place to put it. Do you agree,

3:59:22John? We normally have uh there is

3:59:24a section on

3:59:25trees.

3:59:25Yeah, the tree one is at thirty three. It starts at thirty three.

3:59:29Okay, but it doesn't have the language that with about the driveway flares that

3:59:34Right. Well that's because those were adopted for town homes. And that's why I asked about the twenty-three foot front setback. I find no difference when it comes to parking and bumpers hanging over sidewalks, whether you live in a town home or whether you live in a house, but if that's what their agreement is, that they're gonna go by the twenty-foot standard, so be it. Yeah.

4:00:00But I uh don't think it matters whether it's a townhouse or a single family detached product, whether the water main is under the sidewalk and there's a five foot easement versus

4:00:09a

4:00:10ten foot easement.

4:00:11Mr. Moody, I think condition thirty I'd read that again, I think should or that's probably the proper place to put it. We just need to make sure the language I think it's still right from four G. We just to make sure it's not referencing townhouses or anything like that.

4:00:25Thirty three is the tree condition. It just it But this this project is not pro the town so it didn't have right that language from the

4:00:35what I'm suggesting is I don't find any difference between whether the product is a town an attached product or a detached product when it comes to trying to provide room for street trees by allowing water main on

4:00:49the sidewalk. So you want to add basically the two sentence at the two sentences at the bottom. Mm-hmm. The same thing we did with condition forty six of four D to the end of condition thirty three in this product. Right. I have no objection to that. Okay, and then the second part is you want them to modify their master plan to show fifteen foot primary setbacks as opposed to ten.

4:01:12And I'd love 'em to make ten foot side setbacks, but I don't think he's gonna be a minimal to that, so I'll leave that out. Okay.

4:01:20So the is the motion for approval with those two changes then?

4:01:23Yes, sir. Okay. Approving of which item

4:01:27This well I guess okay. I well I that's a good point. Those all relate to PC seven. So we probably need uh just a separate motion on five

4:01:37The other issue with PC seven is um correction of title 'cause it's rural shouldn't say rural density. From R one rural density should be R one residential district. It's not world density for attention as a.

4:01:51Um

4:01:54Oh in the title. Okay. All right. Let's do this. Let's take a get a motion on five and six before we tackle sub so five and six are just straightforward motions for approval.

4:02:04One motion or individual

4:02:06individually please.

4:02:07Motion to approve PC five.

4:02:09Second. Further discussion? All in favor signify by saying aye. Aye. Aye. Opposed like sign. Maybe we have one register one nay?

4:02:20Motion to approve PC six.

4:02:24I'll

4:02:24take a bit.

4:02:25Motion and second further discussion of that motion.

4:02:28I was just gonna say if somebody lives in that area, I d I do think we need to be careful about amending the boundary, but in this case I think with all the residential around it, I don't have an issue with res removing that.

4:02:43Okay. Motion and a second that we've had discussion. All in favor, second my saying aye. Aye. Aye. Nay.

4:02:50Just to confirm that yet.

4:02:54He made it

4:02:55clear. That's right.

4:02:56Uh just to confirm for PC six who seconded?

4:03:01Uh Mr. Hansel.

4:03:02Hansel, okay. And then um Moody said nay on PC five. Correct.

4:03:07And six.

4:03:09And six. Okay.

4:03:11Was there anybody else that voted nay on six? Yeah. So

4:03:18So seven, I think Mr. Hansel, I think started motion, but it needs to include those three corrections, which is changing the subject line to remove the word real density.

4:03:32Um can can I Can I know why? Because that is what that district is called. R one is rural density residential district.

4:03:44I think the person who was presenting it said that it was incorrect as being M P U D. It says it was going from M Pud to M P U D. But R one is called a rural density residential district.

4:03:58Sorry. Okay. So that was the rezoning was from MPD to M P D. That's why she said I I need to correct it so that it's R one rural density residential district. Oh that is correct.

4:04:09Gotcha. Okay. So I made the wrong note on my notes, so apologize for that.

4:04:15So yes. So I think the two the two corrections were to change the master plan to show a fifteen foot primary. Primary front yard setback and to amend condition number thirty three to add the last two sentences of condition forty six from the four G Ranch MPD approval. Yes. Did I get that right, everybody? I think you did. Amazing.

4:04:40You got it.

4:04:42You get a second chance at the board anyway.

4:04:47Okay. So we have the motion.

4:04:51Good job, Peter. I second. Got a second out. Okay. All in favor, signify by saying aye. Aye. Aye. Opposed, like, sign.

4:05:01Okay, I'm just curious.

4:05:11your room. Move two.

4:05:13Move two.

4:05:13Second.

4:05:14All right, all in favor. I just think Chuck might have something else to say. I'll just wait. Seven is a good time. Yeah.