Zoning Amendment (Consent) - Hilltop Vistas MPUD - Belly Wadding LLC - A Petition for a Rezoning from R-1 Rural Density Residential District to MPUD Master Planned Unit Development District to Allow for the Development of 117 Single Family Detached Residential Units on Approximately 39.1 Acres Located on the West Side of Happy Hill Road, approximately 700 feet North of County Road 52

1:17:58D50. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Again for the record, Chris Demont's Long Range Planning Division. Next we have uh Hilltop Vistas M PUD PDD 237623.

1:18:12This is a zoning amendment request from R1 to MPUD master plan unit development. The purpose is to allow for the development of 117 single-family detached residential units on approximately 39.12 acres on the west side of Happy Hill Road, approximately 700 feet north of County Road 52. Subject property is located in the North Market area and in the Northeast Rural Area. This is an arrow of the subject

1:18:42property showing its location in proximity to Happy Hill Road and County Road 52.

1:18:50Current zoning on the site is R1.

1:18:54Current land use is REV1, although we did hear a public hearing earlier today adopting that to REST III.

1:19:02This is the uh master plan for the site. Uh you can see the the site's location, its vicinity to the Lake Davida MPUD, uh, as well as the uh red arrows identifying access points. Uh the access point on the south would be for future development uh on that parcel that is located just to the immediate south of the subject property. Um so once those two developments come into permission uh there would be uh cross access between the two. And the context map here,

1:19:33we're showing the properties location with regard to Lake Joveda and the UD.

1:19:39The applicant is seeking the following variance. Variation from the land development code, LDC 901.6.11, street design and dedication requirements, design, construction, continuation of existing street pattern, and street access to the adjoining property. The applicant's requesting this variation and planning and development department is amenable to the applicant's request and supports requested release. From the cited section of the Land Development Code since the development to the west, which is the existing Lake Shavita

1:20:09East Point MPUD master plan unit development, is a gated cul-de-sac neighborhood with no opportunity to connect. To the north are properties in the northeast rural protection area with Res One future land use and AR agricultural residential zoning. The parcels range in size from one 0.6 acres to 13 acres are individually owned and each has a residential unit. Less than a half a mile on the to the north on Happy Hill Road is the established Happy Hills Estates, a rural residential subdivision

1:20:40with 18 homes. Due to the size of the adjacent lots and the Happy Hills estates development to the north, a meaningful opportunity for a parallel roadway. Happy Hill Road is not viable or appropriate in this location. Staff recommendation is approval with conditions and I'll stand by for any questions along the afternoon.

1:21:02Okay, thank you. Any questions for staff? To the applicant.

1:21:12Commissioner Oakley Hobby again, I apologize for my slow walk up here. I pulled my calf muscle last week, so I'm moving it in slow mo. I'm not trying to be dramatic. We've talked about this project already at this point in two different agenda items, but I did want to say a few things uh about it just to make sure that the record's clear that our team and our client in this matter uh Take the area seriously, how what we develop in

1:21:42this area matters to the area, and we're trying to do a quality job. We when we first took the project on, we looked at what was surrounding the site, what the board had been approving in recent years. The biggest uh impact from an as-built environment in the area in recent times has been Lake Jovita and East Point specifically to our west. And if you were looking back at the aerial that staff showed you just a minute ago, maybe staff can toggle back to

1:22:12that, you see clearly the form of development is very much in line with the suburban form. Go back maybe one more. And then to the east of the on east of Happy Hill we've got the you know legacy um subdivision that's been there my whole life. But then we've got just north of that and immediately it's kind of like it's across Happy Hill and just a little bit to the north is Sweetwater Apartments that St. Leo has used for several

1:22:42years, has 194 multifamily units. So we feel like this is a reasonable transition from a generalized compatibility analysis. Having said that, you know, we knew there were going to be questions. Well, if you take it out of Northeast Pasco, what are you going to do to the hill? Are you just going to come in there and level the hill? Do you guys not care about that? I knew that was going to be a question, and Denise, Elizabeth, and I are really the primary drafters of what's in the comp plan.

1:23:13I'm sorry, not the comp plan, but what's in the code for the protection of the typography because we all believe that was very important to do in the code uh adoption process for Northeast Pasco about ten years ago. And so what we did, the MPUD condition has the operative language from the code in condition number, I think it's I can't remember. Yeah, it's number 16. So the specific requirements had we stayed in Northeast Pasco are

1:23:43gonna apply to this MPUD so that you're not gonna just come in there and level the hill. I mean they're gonna have to build building pads and stuff like that, but the hill's not gonna be cut down, and you can't come in there and just basically try to create excess dirt, sell the dirt, like some people, believe it or not, have tried to do in northeast Pasco. In the last 10 years, and that's what, and Denise is here and she'll remember the conversations, we specifically wanted to prohibit. So we were very cognizant of that.

1:24:13And then when it comes to the landscape buffer, and this really was one of the reasons why we wanted to come out of Northeast Pasco in general. Uh This obviously is not a rural area anymore on this site and the board's already made that finding when you changed it to Res 3 and the early earlier adoption item. What's in the Northeast Pasco landscape and setback buffers assumes that you're in a very rural area and that you have hundreds and hundreds

1:24:44of feet of setback. Rather than do that, which basically would have meant the site's completely undevelopable, what we did was we doubled up on the landscaping as far as the amount of trees that are being planted. They're upsized from what the code requires. It requires extra shrub planting. And then there's the six-foot opaque buffer that has to be in there too. So the idea would be that we, you know, we're gonna have some kind of um opaque

1:25:14buffer with landscaping on the exterior stuff that we've talked about on other sites that is really more appropriate for a suburban. form of development. But the the pattern of development and the inten uh density of the development that's being proposed here today is consistent with what's in the area. It's a responsible way of of doing the development. You know, and uh from our discussions with the home builders and who we think is gonna ultimately be the home builder on the site, we don't even think

1:25:44we're gonna get we may be as low as ten percent less than the number of units that are being approved here today. And the level of development is really gonna be more in line with what the uh I think it's Called a distinct development rezoned R4 on the other side of Happy Hill a year and a half or so ago. So we feel like we're following all the rules. Um you know, like I said, we voluntarily agreed to meet the topography and exceed the what would have been the code required uh

1:26:14landscape buffer on Happy Hill. Now, I do have Jordan Schrader here to answer any questions. You have and Steve Henry is here if you have questions. I know in the community meeting we had many months ago now, I want to say it was maybe nine months ago, there were questions about the alignment of the access at Roth Lane. Uh, and some of the neighbors have said that people already cut through Roth Lane to get to Happy Hill Road rather than go down to the intersection. Uh and

1:26:45I can tell you that it's Steve's testimony and and s um County staff believes as well, but that the because of the hill, the alignment at Roth Lane is the safest way to have access on this site, both b because of the topography, but moreover because how the turn lane movements uh have to be spaced. So I can save that for rebuttal, but that's my general presentation and we're happy to answer any questions you may have.

1:27:13Any questions? Commissioner Starkey.

1:27:17Um my first question is, and maybe this is a Jordan question. Um I was looking on your site plan where the pond is. Uh in the northeast corner.

1:27:32And when I look at it on your on this page, that's the heavily wooded area.

1:27:43And um

1:27:45I don't know where the pond is.

1:27:48Yeah, and then I have this page. Do you have this page?

1:27:56Good afternoon, members of the board, Jordan Trader. I have been sworn. Thirty-then West Casil Street Sweep 150, Tampa, Florida, 33609. So Commissioner Starkey's asking about the northwest corner where the conceptual stormwater pond is shown. And there is an existing vegetated area there as well. Yeah,

1:28:13so um is the are you gonna Be able to save those trees between the edge of the pond and the property line?

1:28:23So the topography of the site, there's a crested high point in the middle, and then the property drains really three directions. To the west is actually closed basin length as part of basin special concern. Some of us know it as Doc Smalley's Lake in the back. Um because the topography that's where the pond really has to go and

1:28:38I'm not objecting to you putting the pond there. I understand you gotta put a I'm saying between the edge of the pond, now I I get that this may not be your exact drawing. Between the edge of the pond and the property line, are you able to save the trees that are existing there? I mean and maybe those aren't trees, that's what it looks like it is on here.

1:28:57So if you look at the graphic right here. Sorry, so she so see that little tiny lot line right there? Yeah. That's where the utilities are actually stubbed out. So to develop as it was created. Plan from the property to our west, we will have to get in there and do clearing to connect sewer and water and things. So I don't want to falsely tell the board that we would save the trees on the east side. I will say that see how these lots are larger than normal. East Point was done, there's a ravine system in there, and there's a significant hammock on the west side that was existing on the east side of East Point in there as well. So there's oak trees on the west side

1:29:27of the property that will stay. But for utility and drainage There will be on this side we have to connect to those utilities. That's where they place them.

1:29:33Well I I hope you can save as many as possible. I just hate seeing all these trees flown down.

1:29:38I completely understand.

1:29:40Um then um another question. Uh is this there's a lot of talk in here of forty foot lots. Is this a forty foot lot subdivision?

1:29:51Smallest lot in the

1:29:53Mm-hmm.

1:29:55Uh it's uh being approved that way, Commissioner, but we're under contract with a builder. The smallest lots that we're looking at now are fifty and fifty-five. So it'll be fifty, fifty-five, sixty. That's what we're looking at.

1:30:07Are did we not change that forties to forty-five? Or does this not

1:30:12this this one grandfather? Yeah, the the way the memo yes grandfather because the way the memo is. We had our first round of comments like nine months ago.

1:30:21Okay. And I noticed Jordan in your drawings it says it calls out a ten foot utility easement. And I just want you to know we've we've got that down to a five foot utilities here. So you don't have to save ten feet. You guys can go at it with five feet.

1:30:39Yeah, Commissioner O thanks for bringing that up. We did add a few things in and Denise is going to address those in a minute. Part of some of the changes she's reading in is the addition of the language to allow us to use up five of the ten feet. So that's being added today.

1:30:55Alright, and um are you doing any improvements along Happy Hill? Is there a tr multi use trail or sidewalk or anything?

1:31:02I don't believe there's a trail plan for that area commission. It's an existing rural section

1:31:08with no pedestrian as it is right now. We're providing all the right-of-way for the future improvements of Happy Hill and then intersection improvements at our front driveway. There's no that's there's no sidewalks today on either side that would lead anywhere.

1:31:21Well they would lead to the grocery store next door.

1:31:25That's you're not gonna have to go on Happy Hill to get to do that. That's the interconnection. So I think it's right.

1:31:35And so the people from Roth Lane, if they wanted to ride a bike to the grocery store, they would come into your neighborhood and then go south through your neighborhood?

1:31:46Hypothetically they could. Or some of them will be more aligned with the Pittman Massey site if you see the Lakeview Drive to the south, if you look at the screen. Commissioner Yeager.

1:31:56Like I would like to have all new streets in the project will have five foot sidewalks on both sides. But when they cross rock, they'll be able to utilize the sidewalk.

1:32:08Any other questions? If not, we'll wait for for rebuttal.

1:32:12Any questions? Okay.

1:32:17And Denise?

1:32:18Yeah, I'm really sorry. I just need to tag team with my colleague Krista Mansh here. So I just wanna um let the board know that um we did provide to the board members and to the clerk a modified memo and modified conditions of approval. Your agenda memo has on page four an edit to finding effect number nine. That's gonna include everything that I'm gonna read now, which includes that um condition of approval number one was added. um was changed to add August 2023 as a submittal. Condition of approval number 10 was modified to add 315-foot

1:32:49southbound turn lane on Happy Hill Road to align with Roth Lane. Condition of approval number 33 was modified to allow utility easements under sidewalks, as was just stated by Mr. Hobby. Condition number four modified the master plan residential lot standard chart, front primary structure from 10 feet to 15 feet to match the condition of approval. And these were all changes that were made by the Planning Commission. So that was part of the Planning Commission's recommendation. So we're adding that. Also for the record. We want to make sure

1:33:19that the clerk's office, and I believe they already have that, has ex-party forms from Commissioner Mariano, Commissioner Weightman, Commissioner Starkey, Commissioner Oakley, Commissioner Bradford, also from the Planning Commission, Chairman Bray, John Moody, and Jane, and Vice Chairman Jamie Girardi. So I think those are all the things that I may have to say for the record. Um thank you. Just wanted to clear the record. Thank you.

1:33:44Thank you. Okay, there's time for public comment. Do you have anyone signed up for public comment?

1:33:48Yes, sir. Um Carol Jankey?

1:33:59My name is Carol Jankey. I live at [address removed] and my property backs up to Roth Lane. I didn't understand exactly. I couldn't hear w all the changes Denise made. But we feel this project is endangering the existing homeowners on Abbey Drive and Roth Lane, Timber Run in Lakeview, approximately 90 residents. That ends that onto Happy Hill Road. The county already knows they have approved summit view four hundred and six Sarah Land

1:34:2975 Hilltop would be 117. 598 new vehicles, then add sweet water, 1954 apartment units. That's a total of 792 vehicles without local traffic, the current local traffic and future St. Joe and Ramsey Road. The county could insist on a service road. on both parcels, Pittman Massey Commercial and Hilltop Distance, and exit onto County Road fifty two and eliminate the buffer.

1:35:00Because these people coming down this hill. We'll never see the buffer. They are literally flying down that hill. And they don't put on their brakes until they get past Lakeview. And if you think of it, think of the truckloads of equipment and materials that we'll have to make a left-hand turn into the property at Roth Lane and the speed of the oncoming vehicles coming down Happy Hill Road. You will have to put some kind of a light at Roth and Happy Hill. The

1:35:31trucks also will use Roth Lane, a one lane, seventeen feet wide, as they did for Summit View. And trucks are always knocking out all the mailboxes on the road now as it stands.

1:35:45And they would still have to cross over Happy Hill onto oncoming traffic. We asked the Planning Commission to move to vacate the driveway cut at Roth and move it further south past first. past the first Lake View Drive.

1:36:04The county could also build a frontage road along Happy Hill Road to to take the traffic off a County 52. I think you need to consider things that will protect the people that already live there. And I can tell you I personally saw two incidents that people would have been killed. One was my neighbor trying to cross the road. I'm Ron and the other one was the other day a truck speeding through there at seventy miles an hour and nearly hit a vehicle pulling out of the apartments. Something will happen Sunday. Thank

1:36:35you.

1:36:37Next.

1:36:39Excuse me. Um Liz Kaj?

1:36:48Hi, my name is Liz Coach. I live at [address removed] in Dade City. Uh the problem I have is um I've

1:36:55been sworn. We're now in we're now in La Quasi Judicial. You've been sworn?

1:36:59Do you confirm

1:36:59that you were sworn?

1:37:00Okay.

1:37:01Yes, ma'am.

1:37:02I do?

1:37:02You were you stood up and were you were sworn.

1:37:05I don't know what you're saying.

1:37:06Did you stand up and take the oath?

1:37:08Yes I did. Yes I

1:37:09did.

1:37:09Your sworn. Thank you. Okay. I'm sorry. Okay. Anyway, uh my house is the fifth house on Abbey Drive. In order for me to get out of my house to go under the street, I have to go to the end of Abbey Drive and Uh Happy Hill Road. Happy Hill Road is very busy. It's a very busy traffic highway. From my understanding, Hilltop Vista is planning one exit, one in and one out. And if they're gonna come out on fifty two, whoever the

1:37:39people that live here. The problem I see is The people that are coming out Happy Hill or Abbey Drive is gonna be a big problem. because we'll have to wait a while until the traffic goes and yet the other people from Hilltop Vista will be coming up. Perfect example of this is on Hancock Road. I travel Hancock Road because I work with hospice. And there are three subdivisions on that road. I know I go down that road and you can see the people that are

1:38:09coming out of those subdivisions literally have to wait because no one is stopping. And that's what I think will happen on Happy Hills. Those people coming back and forth on Happy Hilt north and south. they're gonna they're not gonna stop because of the subdivision unless you can possibly build another side road that will help the people that are gonna live on Hilltop to get out on 52. Roth Lane is very busy also and it's very small. Literally When you go down, you

1:38:40have to go onto the grass. in order for for another vehicle to come by. So Roth Lane is not your ideal road. something has to be done in order to change their way of thinking of getting out of those from the people that are gonna live in those homes to get out onto the road. Maybe another road, maybe a side road. The other on Hancock, one of the subdivisions, what they did was just recently, they enlisted a stoplight.

1:39:10Literally, one of the subdivisions put a stoplight, and now people are stopping to let the people out of their subdivision. So if you can consider that planning when you do the roads. It would be a big help to the people that live on Abbey Drive. The people that live on Abbey Drive, they've been there for twenty, almost thirty years. Myself, I've been there for over forty years. So I know what the traffic's been like and how much has it increased. So thank you for your attention.

1:39:38Thank you. Next.

1:39:42Number 50, I believe that's all we have signed up and there is no one no one online.

1:39:51Okay. So anyone else would like to address this item?

1:39:59Hello again, Commissioner. My name's Rodney Bailey. Yes I have been soared. sword. Uh just the very first one with the arrows.

1:40:12It was with my ex partes I did meet with the gentleman earlier today.

1:40:16And again, my issues are pretty much safety as far as the roads. I'd really like the board to look at this ingress and egress in alignment with Roth.

1:40:30It it it's mind boggling. I live right on the corner. I see it every day. And to say that sciences That's the best place to put it. It's mind-boggling to me. Absolutely mind-boggling. We're going to put an intersection on a road that has no speed limits. There's not one speed limit sign right now on Happy Hill. If you drive up and down Happy Hill, you're going south. There's two going north, one at Summit and right at the intersection. That could be easily

1:41:01changed. That's fine. The intersection can't be changed. So we're going to put an intersection, not a left and right-hand turn lane, it's going to be an intersection. They're going to be able to traverse left and right, going east and west and north and south on a 13% grade. Insanity. It's not an accident. An accident is an unsafe condition or an unsafe act. Perfect. If there's an intersection put there, we're creating an unsafe

1:41:31condition for an incident. It will not be an accident when it happens. It needs to be looked at a little bit further, other than just saying it's going to be right here. Sciences say that. I w I want to see that other than verbiage. I haven't seen that. I have Testimony from traffic. from they uh the big cat, I believe. And it's showing five going this way, four going that way.

1:42:01I sit out there. I see the incidents. My wife is in a wheelchair. I can't even wheel her down Roth Road. It's mind-boggling. I'm getting upset with this. That I am getting confrontational with people traversing back and forth off of that road because it's only 17 feet wide. My mirrors on my truck are nine foot. From mirror to mirror. Get two trucks together, somebody's gotta go off

1:42:31the roads. Now I'm pushing my w where there's no sidewalks. So my time's about up, which it is.

1:42:40You have another

1:42:40minute.

1:42:41You have another minute. Um

1:42:42what I request from from you all is to restudy this. Table this project until traffic is under control. Don't say the alignment is there. That's the way it's going to be or we can't do it up here. We can't do it down there. We absolutely could. if you did a little formulation It can be done before somebody gets killed. I request them to put in Speed bumps calm the road on rock. Come it now, before this even happens. Before

1:43:12the 6,000 homes that are built above come into play. Get it calm down now and wow before somebody gets hurt. My wife.

1:43:24It's pretty upsetting. Um as far as the left and right turn lane that they agreed upon, that's great. But now it's an intersection. It's not just a left and right turn. It's an intersection. What are you gonna put in there? A traffic light? On a thirteen percent grade? Drive the roads and I'm sure you all have It's crazy. There's no speed limit signs. None. Not one posting. They're doing 85 miles an hour and a post at 45 miles speed

1:43:54limit. And we're going to put an intersection on a 13% grade. Thank you very much. I appreciate it. If there's any questions

1:44:03We we don't take questions.

1:44:07Okay. Anyone else in the public like to speak?

1:44:13Nancy Hayswood, [address removed]. I appreciate Mr. Hobby working with landscaping and topography. Um, I do know that the people that did the solar province does landscaping and right now it looks like a field of weeds. So hopefully he's going to do something nice there. Um in the matter of the sign placement, there were three of us that went out and took a look at

1:44:44that and I think that the image Mr. Hobby showed was actually on Pittman property and not on the Vista property. Uh if you look at what you have there, maybe you will see the sign that shows the um the traffic light and you'll see that the one you should the same. I'm hoping because I didn't take a real good look at those, that was Lisa's. But

1:45:14please be aware that we do not think this was advertised correctly and it is their responsibility to keep the public up with where things are. Thank you.

1:45:25Okay.

1:45:27Anyone else in the audience here to speak to this item?

1:45:35Uh Sharon Hannah West, [address removed]. Yes, I have been duly sworn in. Um The only thing that I keep asking myself is well I mean not asking, this is really this is how you do it. This is how you ensure that Pasco County becomes nothing but a bedroom community for Tampa. Subdivision after subdivision after subdivision. What are we doing to attract real businesses here? We need that kind of growth. We need

1:46:05that kind of smart growth. This is just adding layer and layer of people Who just Sleep here. Thank you.

1:46:18Is there anyone else in the audience like to address this item? It's your new one on WebEx.

1:46:23Uh no sir.

1:46:25Yeah, we'll bring it back to the board.

1:46:28Um Ms. Hobby if you I didn't address what you

1:46:31had. Yeah, this Clark Hubby again. I I I have some ideas and I think some things that are gonna help our neighbors out. We've been told by the county's transportation engineers and our transportation engineer that the alignment with Roth Lane is the safest alignment based on Topo and how far off of the intersection at 52 you have to be. But it's obvious to me that we're causing a lot of consternation with our neighbors at Roth, and so we want the opportunity to further evaluate this. This leading

1:47:01up to site plan approval. So what I was gonna ask the board is if There are two references in condition A and B where it talks about where our access is going to be. And I would I would like to do on both of those is to simply end A and B after the words to project access. So it would strike the words to align with Roth Lane. That way the county staff and our transportation consultant can further evaluate. this and if there's

1:47:31a safer, better way of doing it, we're all for it. I mean we have to have an access onto Happy Hill Road, but we want to make sure it's safe. A couple other things that we thought of that I I think y'all would agree are reasonable and good for the neighbors. One is we will agree to a condition that says we will not have any construction access on Roth Lane. That's number one. So I'm fine with the condition being added at that point. But our client also will add a condition saying that our contract our client will contribute

1:48:02up to five thousand dollars. For the county to install either speed tables or speed bumps on Roth Lane. 'Cause it's a it's a small street. I mean, I've been on it my whole life and I know that. And I think people have been cutting through there a lot. They they always did my whole life, but they've been cutting through there more over the years as the Dade City projects have gotten built further up Happy Hill. That's not where people need to be going, so we're okay. Okay with making that commitment um to the board.

1:48:32Well uh we would contribute up to five thousand dollars for the county to install either speed tables or speed bumps on Roth Lane between fifty-two and Happy Hill Road. That would be the what we would add to it.

1:48:44Okay.

1:48:45Mr Stark Yeah, it seems to me that um a road like that should get into our program to be improved and widened a little bit.

1:48:56The the neighbors would love that. Yeah. Would the proviso. The and this has gone on a long time in this neighborhood because I had friends who lived there growing up. you know, the nicer the quality of that road is then somebody can come flying when they're westbound from Dade City and cut through there and that's why I'm suggesting the speed bumps. I think that would eliminate people doing that. And also I don't think uh the trucks go into Dr. Wyland's dirt pit the last ten years would have gone through there if there had been speed bumps

1:49:26either because I hate that because they lose dirt right when it hits.

1:49:30There's dirt trucks going through that road? There should not be

1:49:33it's yeah, they're supposed to be all done now because I I think the mining section of that is done. Um but there definitely were and that was part of the county's concern when that started and Commissioner Schrader did a good job of making sure that we shut some of that down. But the the other concerns that you hear, I think the board's already made a decision that this is gonna be a suburban form of development. I think we're being very reasonable and conscientious neighbors. You all, you know, I'm not gonna get into who the property owners are, but our believe our clients are

1:50:04um you know long time uh business owners and residents of our community and they want to be good neighbors in everything that they do and that's why we're voluntarily offering these things to the board. But I'm happy to answer any other questions you may have as well.

1:50:18Clark just you just mentioned a comment that we we talked before about this and I thought I heard the the lots were going to be like sixty foot size

1:50:26I think that it's fifty, fifty five and up is what I'm hearing.

1:50:30Okay, 'cause I'm looking at looking at the land use as far as condition twenty nine, it shows forty foot bots. Um

1:50:38But again, Commissioner, that's just following the the way the code is written. Okay. That's not what we're under contract. Mr.

1:50:46Chairman Uh Commissioner Yeah. Uh I appreciate the fact that you're gonna share in putting those bumps on that road. I personally have been here my entire life and rode Happy Hill and I I've never cut through there. I have. I admit it. I'm on the record. But I don't even understand why. Because I can go to the corner and make a turn with a red light and Well it works out. But I'd like to uh go a little further and ask Nick to uh with

1:51:17engineering to uh look at the issue about the signs, make sure we get speed signs right and and If they're make sure they're at the right speed, not not seventy of course, people drive. You can't you can't fix people that are are stupid and drive too fast sometimes, so But have it in the right way and and make sure those signages there on Happy Hill. So but I think uh I think the procs that work out and if we put those speed bumps I think keep

1:51:47people from turning down through their I wouldn't go across speed bumps. I don't even go across when there are no speed bumps. But uh that's a nice area and we wanna make sure we keep it a nice area, so We agree. With that, uh make a motion to approve.

1:52:02Move a motion.

1:52:05And I'll fly.

1:52:06Second. And uh before we just pull the vote, I'd like to just maybe Nick, if you could come up for a minute.

1:52:19Nick, as they have you take a look at this, I want you to take a close look at the access. Where's the best spot to put this? Um you know we we look at Grove Street where you were out on site and I just with that hill coming up to a point at the right before the peak was a dangerous spot. I know this is down the hill from the peak, so maybe that line of sight's good. I'm just I'm just thinking myself if it's further up the hill There's a bit more levelness, but I'll leave it to the experts, including you, especially you, to kind of like find out what's the best place

1:52:50to put it. Sure. And the the roadway being 17 feet wide, it's not in good shape. But up in Orlando there's a roadway that that I took going to a golf course and resort development. And what they did for this one area that seemed to be cut through quite a bit, they put these uh uh common devices continually all the way through. So the speeds never get over twenty, twenty-five miles an hour. I think that type of thing would minimize any cut through traffic because you're not going to want to deal with it. So if you take

1:53:20a look at what's what's best for that 17 foot wide road, should it be wider? Again, if you make it too wide, you might encourage more cut through. Might save a mailbox or something, but anyway, if you take a close look Talking about Roth, right? Roth Roth.

1:53:34Yeah.

1:53:35Yes, sir.

1:53:38Uh Commissioner, before you all vote, I just I did want to reiterate staff provided their corrections to the board and then I read in the changes that I'm hoping the motion that Commissioner Oakley was making is including those three changes. And again, that was in conditions 10A and B. to eliminate the words at the end of of both of them that say to align with Roth Lane. That's the first change. Then the second

1:54:08change would be to prohibit construction access through Roth Lane. And then the final one would be to add that the applicant developer would contribute up to five thousand dollars to the county for the installation of speed tables or speed bumps on Ron

1:54:24Clinton. I'll make that part of my motion. Okay. How about the second?

1:54:28Is the second there?

1:54:29I

1:54:29did I though.

1:54:34They needed a second to revised motion, Commissioner

1:54:36Oakley.

1:54:38Commissioner Weightman.

1:54:38Thank

1:54:38you. Mr. Hobby. Yes, sir. In the motion to protect the topo of that hill, that's in the conditions. That's in the condition that's not into in the It's in condition number sixteen.

1:54:48But can I ask a question on that topo?

1:54:50One low Commissioner Weightman? I'm just I'm just Want to ensure again on the record that we're gonna we're gonna protect the the topography of that hill and not not have Ramsey Road happening again that's not have

1:55:03that the North India Ramsey Road development does not have to comply with the Northeast Pasco language that's in the code for Northeast Pasco. We're complying with what everybody else in Northeast Pasco has to comply.

1:55:15No, but that's a fine example. What I think this board does not want to see happen. I understand again. So well within our control Trust but verify. I understand. Thank you.

1:55:29I trust and verify, but I want to ask you a question.

1:55:33That's part of verifying. Yeah, I'm verifying. Okay, what what number was that again?

1:55:37I think it's sixteen.

1:55:39Okay, it says here um grading within a slope of 10% or greater. Well so you can go greater than ten percent?

1:55:50No, that's we have a map that's in the LDC that shows the areas that have a ten percent or greater grade and that includes a site. So they're already over ten percent. That's there's a map in there that shows you what areas are subject. That's how we determined what these special topo rules were gonna apply to, which properties.

1:56:11I just didn't want you to take down the

1:56:13hill

1:56:13that's the

1:56:14that's only that shows you what property is subject to the regulation. That's all that's saying.

1:56:22Is that how do you But he can't turn it.

1:56:26Grading within the slope of ten percent or greater within the M P D. So yeah, I I agree with Mr. Hobby's interpretation.

1:56:32Yeah, that's that's what the code says.

1:56:35Shall be limited to a development pad area. So if it if it exceeds ten percent, you can only put a development pad in. Right. That's the whole point.

1:56:46Okay.

1:56:47Okay.

1:56:47I I I am kind of surprised And that we may not have better plans for the future of Happy Hill? Um that's the discussion for us at another time. Seems like um that road maybe needs more attention. Uh as a future in our future road network.

1:57:10It's a it's a coordination issue with the city of Dade City, Commissioner. And I think Commissioner Oakley and Wait and Weightman are very aware of that because I I think there were a lot of people in in East Pasco that weren't quite prepared for the level of development the city had. north of this site on Happy Hill. So we need to we do need to pay attention to it 'cause I don't think that's what the roadway structure was originally set up for to accommodate all that.

1:57:38And um that project on the top, I think it I'm looking on my map it says Summit View. I don't know if that's a road or there's some kind of development at the top of that.

1:57:47Summit view is that is the borough.

1:57:50That's a burrow pit?

1:57:51That's the that's what he's part of the development that we're talking about.

1:57:55Okay, did they cut down the top? Did they sell them out? Well

1:57:59it was the the hill came down somewhat but it's main uh there was I don't know how many feet but a significant number of feet down. So you go over a crest of a hill and it was mined for about maybe ten years, ten, fifteen years. It had

1:58:13a mining permit based

1:58:14Okay, I feel like we need to send a letter to Dade City. We can talk about that.

1:58:20Appreciate your concern then.

1:58:22Right. But just so you know, Mr. Arkey, when I I saw that hill cut down like that, I reached out to the city of Dade City. I had nothing I could really do, but I did let my voice be heard about

1:58:34But did they change anything? I

1:58:35didn't think it was the right thing.

1:58:37Did they change anything?

1:58:38Yeah. They'd gone by the regulations and I had our folks checking. for rights on how they cut it down.

1:58:48That the uh your staff is very much aware of these issues now and that there's a level of coordination that was lacking with Dade City, and I can assure you that your staff is pushing with the Dade City staff now to better coordinate things on traffic and to make sure that the city is following the interlocal agreement with the county and there some issues about whether that was always being complied with but your staff is working on that.

1:59:17And do they do do they pay transportation impact fee like you have to in the county?

1:59:22They they have their own transp transportation impact fee.

1:59:25They have impact fee. Okay. They also have impact fees for police officers because that is a large population growth for dead cities, those properties out there.

1:59:36Mm-hmm. Okay, we have a motion and a second. Any further discussion? All in favor say aye. Aye. Aye. Any opposed? Motion passes unanimously.