Zoning Amendment (Regular) – Saddlebrook Resort MPUD Master Planned Unit Development - Saddlebrook Property Owner LLC, et al - A Petition for a Rezoning from MPUD Master Planned Unit Development and A-R Agricultural- Residential District to MPUD Master Planned Unit Development to Allow for the Constructed Permitted Uses and Additional Permitted Uses: 105,000 SF of Commercial/Retail, 55 Dorm Beds, 12,000 SF Clubhouse, 5,000 SF of Restaurant; 145 Platted Townhomes and 465 Multi-Family Units on Approximately 550.33 Acres
What the county recorded
Staff recommendation
Approval with Conditions
DispositionApproved
Approved Staff’s recommendation including the revised Conditions submitted by Ms.
The source document
The county’s agenda for Board of County Commissioners, Jul 11, 2023
The published PDF, as served by the county. This item is one entry in it.
The county’s minutes for Board of County Commissioners, Jul 11, 2023
The published PDF, as served by the county. This item is one entry in it.
This case, across meetings
PDD-23-7646 in full →PDD-23-7646 was taken up 2 times between Jun 8, 2023 and Jul 11, 2023 — this is appearance 2.
- Jun 8, 2023PlanningP15▶No disposition in the minutes
- Jul 11, 2023BoardP68▶Approvedthis item
What was said
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Item P sixty eight.
We are proof.
Wait, do you give me one secondly clip the page?
Okay, um P sixty eight was advertised in the Tampa Bay Times on May twenty-fourth, twenty twenty three, and by affidavit of site postings.
All right, good afternoon. Amy Toll uh with Planning and Development. So the item that you are hearing now is the companion rezoning to the Saddlebrook Resort. Uh comprehensive plan amendment. Uh before we get started, I did send an email out and I was advised to uh seek or ask to just have it uh entered into record, please. So
what?
The enter it into record. So the four documents that were sent via email just to make sure that they were received and entered.
or a motion to receive a line.
The the Gulf Coast layout one or which one?
Um the four documents, the additional expertise, the additional emails, and then the changes to the we've got hard copies
here.
Yeah, please. I think I think
that's right.
Yeah, the and then I sent the email out as well.
Okay.
Move to receive and bell. Yes, ma'am. Thank you.
In
the second? Second. This one we're looking at?
No, it was um
Oh.
Yep. So it's uh the NPUD conditions of approval, yes ma'am. The ex parte, additional emails that were received within the last twenty-four to forty-eight hours. Um yeah, there were two packets, so sorry about that. Thanks, Commissioner Starkey. And uh there were four items and a visual for the intersection at Van Dyne.
Yeah, roll cobble.
District One, Commissioner Oakley. Aye. District two, Commissioner Weightman. District three, Commissioner Starkey. Aye. District four, Commissioner Bradford. District 5 Chairman Mariano.
Thank you. Um okay, so the items that were just uh entered into record, there was a change in the conditions of approval last night, uh to speak to the intersection of Van Dyne, as well as an exhibit that goes alongside that. Um there are additional ex parte that were received since the last Planning Commission and the published and when the uh seven eleven agenda was published and then additional Emails in support for the proposal entered into record as well within
the last 24 to 48 hours that were received. So the MPUD you're hearing now is a proposed rezoning.
The existing zoning is AR Agricultural Residential as well as MPUD. The proposal is to rezone to MP. to allow for the constructed permitted uses of 105,000 square feet of commercial retail, 55 dorm beds, 12,000 square feet clubhouse, 5,000 square foot restaurant, 150 45 platted town homes, 600 or 465 multifamily units on approximately 553 50.33 acres with renovations to the golf course. And it is located
on the north side of 50. for approximately 1.35 miles east of 75. So um as previously noted, the comprehensive plan presentation does have repetitive uh information. So I'm gonna try to fly through this um as best as I can and just highlight some of the additional changes as it relates to the MQD itself. So as stated, it's located in the South Market Area Urban Service Area. Here's your visual location map for the aerial. Uh the existing zoning district. And
the future land use, which is currently res well, was res 3 or res 6, now it is PD, has been approved for PD. Um so the applicant is seeking two variations from the code. Um so I'll go ahead and provide a little direction on those. Um LDC section 901 uh is seeking a variation uh at the request of many property owners within Saddleburgh Resort. No interconnection being vehicular or bidestrian is proposed to or from development area two to the south
since Saddlebrook Resort is gated. No interconnections to the west of development area two is proposed because those areas are platted. Additionally, no interconnections are proposed on the southern boundary of the Saddlebrook Resort since those are also platted subdivision. Wiregrass Ranch and then no interconnections are proposed alongside the eastern boundary of the Seth Weight Resort since the properties to the east um in that area are also plated subdivision. So the applicant's request has been reviewed and
supported by staff as it meets the intent of the code. Additionally, section 402 of the code, the applicant is requesting a variation from the LDC to allow for all of the open space, drainage, common areas, landscape areas, wetland areas, buffer areas, preservation areas, recreation, park, and other special purpose areas within the non-residential areas, multifamily areas that are under single ownership within development one and development two. To be operated and maintained by the ownership entities since
there's no HOA or C D D for those areas. And then additionally, they are foregoing requirements that do not apply to any portion of the MPUD that's controlled by an existing HOA or CDD. So again, applicant's request has been reviewed and supported by staff as it meets the intent of the code. Additionally. Just want to make sure. So here is the proposed master plan. You guys have you or you have already seen this, showing area one, area two, golf
course area, and area three. the binding conceptual plan. Which has already been just shown again, development area one, development area two. Um these are your three and four areas. And um before we I I ask for this recommendation I just did want to put into record um so a couple of the changes that occurred before or after the Planning Commission um are set forth in your agenda memo and
findings of FAC number fifteen. So there were seven changes that were made both be between those two between the Planning Commission hearing date and and today's hearing date. So uh there was an additional condition that was added to require the renovation plan, um being condition number thirty, uh condition number twenty-nine was revised to review the remote. Can
you can you review those? Change. Um
sure, I can read them in do you want me to read the conditions themselves into record or just
go one by one.
A little detail, okay. So condition number 30.
Condition number thirty is quite long. It's a do you want me to read the whole thing in the record? It's like the entire page.
Well let's get to the key points that we're different. Okay,
you
got it.
Okay, so condition number 30 is basically developing or requiring a renovation plan for third-party condo hotel units. Um this condition was actually discussed and crafted between Planning and Development, the Applicant and the Office of Economic Growth. Um and so we do have David Ingle here, who is a representative for our Office of Economic Growth, I can speak to a little bit in more detail. But basically, there are various components of the
renovation plan set forth. This is also where and in the findings of fact shows the change for the trigger where the prior uh prior to the final building inspection at the Planning Commission it was heard being the 300. Unit We've changed that, or it's been recommended to change that to 301st residential units within the development area. Um, additionally, for third-party condo hotel unit owners who elect
to renovate after the deadline. So the first paragraph above, uh, there is a deadline stating uh within 90 days of the approval, uh renovation plan shall be provided, and then uh uh Means for those third-party condo owners to kind of opt in to that renovation plan at that time. So again, the deadline in number five above before completion of the application renovation shall still follow number two and number three
being a requirement that the agreement to renovate between the third-party condo hotel unit owners. Include a requirement for application developer to renovate the lobby, food, beverages, pools, grounds, maintenance areas, resorts, etc. And then three being projected costs of the unit renovations along with the projected revenue increase and resultant ROI.
I think for the most part that covers the renovation plan again. Any additional detail I would uh uh say that uh David Ingle could speak to a little bit more detail on that. Um so I'll go I'll continue going down the findings of fact. The second one is a rev revised condition number 29 to reduce the trigger from when 100% of the existing hotel units owned by the applicant lobby at least one food and beverage area and at least 150% of ground level meeting space
will be renovated from the 351st residential unit to the 301st. So that is also set forth in condition number 29. Findings of fact 15.3 amend the land development code variation to not seek a variation from the requirement to provide an interconnection to the east of development area too. So the updated master plan has removed at Planning Commission. They were seeking a variation request to not connect to both the east and the west, but it
has been determined that they can provide a sufficient connection connection to the east, uh which is basically your van Dyne area. Um and so that has been removed. Um uh number four. So
they they're not gonna
connect to it?
They are,
yeah.
Oh they are for the yeah.
Yeah, on on the east side. So the west side they're still not providing a connection because it's plaited or asking for that variation. Um but on the east side that's where your Bandyne connection is or the light. Um so that's where your visual that was uh entered into record and I'll I'll speak to that uh additionally after we go through these. Um Um okay, so number four from findings of fact, amend the binding MPD conceptual plan to eliminate the Western Connection Development Area 2, since the West is platted,
so same uh conversation. Um it's so in the uh actual sub middle of the agenda, the master plan, there are seven sheets of excuse me, seven sheets of the master plan. So uh this change from the Planning Commission uh modified uh sheets P1 and P7. So that'll be in your uh adjusted master plan. Additionally, there is a condition that was added being condition number 47 to add the vertical mixed use
commitment to development area one. That was the intent since pretty much the beginning of this project. It just was not documented within the MPD conditions of approval. So the applicant went ahead and added that language to number 49. Additionally, there is language in the master plan on P7 as well, or page seven excuse me, as well. So the vertical mixed use commitment and development area one is both in your master plan and conditions of approval.
Um findings of fact six ad enhanced landscaping plan for the areas along Saddleburg Way. Um that will be set forth in your master plan being sheet five, um which will show the uh enhanced landscaping that they have provided or proposed. Um and then uh there was a proposed deletion to condition number forty nine that was uh um recommended at the Planning Commission. So in addition to the findings of fact um with the changes
that were proposed from the Planning Commission, uh what was just added into record uh was a change to condition number seventeen and condition number um twenty one. Uh condition number seventeen added language to state So it sweeps to access points, external facing within the MPD, etc. So the additional language does notwithstanding. The development area number two shall Uh access shall align with the State Road 54
and Van Dyne Road intersection, subject to the State of Florida Department of Transportation approval and or county right-of-way use permit as applicable. And then there is also an asterisk added to condition number 21, which also aligns with the Van Dyne intersection. So condition number 21 speaks to prior to approval of the first record plat or where plat is not required, prior to issuance of the first building building permit, construct or
post a Performance guarantee acceptable to the county for the following external access improvements. So the improvement to the State Road 52 or excuse me, State Road 54 and project access B being Development Area 2, which is your Van Dyne intersection. There is an additional condition on number 21 with an asterisk that states in lieu of Access at State Road 54 and Projects Access B. Access shall align
with the State Road 54 and Van Dyne Road intersection, subject to the State of Florida Department of Transportation approval and/or county right-of-way use permit as acceptable or as applicable. In such event, developer applicant shall submit an access management analysis at the time of construction plan review to determine required access improvements. So between Planning Commission on 7-6 and And today, um, I think 7-6 actually, I'm sorry, June 8th, um, those changes have been submitted.
Quick question on uh number twenty.
Okay.
It says um Developer has provided a substandard road application for State Road 54. There are no substandard road impacts of State Road 54 from the applied approved land uses that require mitigation by developer. And then the next sentence. Developers shall not be responsible for any improvements to State Road 54. or any proportionate share payment for any improvements to State Route fifty four. Nevermind. I got it. Okay.
Other reading.
Third time around.
Yeah, exactly. Um so with that, if you have any additional questions, I can I'd be happy to answer that, but staff does recommend approval with conditions.
Okay. Any questions for staff?
Yeah, yeah. Thank you.
Barbara Wilhite, 6327, Graham Boulevard, Newport Ritchie for the applicant. Again, for the record, we have this our PowerPoint presentation that's been given to the clerk as well as our timing and phasing analysis. The timing and phasing analysis is the same document that was sent to the county and reviewed. And approved by county staff. If you would be so kind as to move that into the record.
Need a motion to receive and file. Move to receive and file.
Second. All in favor say aye. Aye. Roll call.
District one, Commissioner Oakley.
Aye.
District two, Commissioner Weightman. District three, Commissioner Starkey. Aye. District four, Commissioner Bradford.
District five Chairman Mariano. Uh-huh.
As um Amy had told you, we do have an M PD binding concept plan. Again, a new creation um from for myself after twenty-seven years of doing this um with the county um and then working with clients with the county. That's all the details of of how it binds. This is the binding concept plan. I um I'm not sure if staff has the this current one in there. in their presentation or not, but this is the current one. Most notably, we can tell it's another current one because it's missing all the townhome units
that backed up to Saddleburg Way.
Some Very good features of this proposed development is it enhanced connectivity. We have a new secondary gated access to Saddlebrook for for residents only. We have a new primary entrance for all of our service vehicles. that now go through the primary gate. For Commissioner Starkey, we have a new eight eight foot multi-use path that residents and resort guests can use to go to and from If you think about it, then you can go to area one. from the resort and from the residences without going on Saddlebook
Way which has no sidewalks. They can use that new multi use path to get to the sidewalks on State Road fifty four without going on the Saddlebrook Way that has no sidewalks. They can use that new eight foot path to get to all the sidewalks and paths within Wiregrass Ranch. and all the different amenities that they have. Um building on the investments that others have made and for a resort that didn't have any paths or sidewalks, we're changing that.
This is the the specifics of that plan. Condition number thirty-two says we've won we need to do it, so it makes it not only binding from a picture, but binding as to we have to do it. Um
When you see that it's the it's the brown coming all the way down and then it hooks up to
hang on for one second. So that does a Commissioner Weightman has a question?
Thank you. Two Miz Rhoda's the the Wiregrass Ranch Boulevard connection, this one here. To be clear, you know, we've talked a lot about this per this particular connection. So Mast is agreeing to build what's in yellow. to this to Wiregrass Range Boulevard.
Yes.
Before so we're gonna see a true connection come all the way down the that five acres. But then Cut west across Wiregrass Ranch and connect into Wiregrass Ranch Boulevard.
Commissioner, that's correct, and that's condition thirty one. And that has to be in place before the first I'm going to say CO because it's a C O equivalent because it's County Language's first final building inspection instead of CO, but we're going to say CO here because we all know what that means. That road has to be constructed and operational before the first CO in Area One.
So in the timing With this project. Should this go through? Mass and there's plans in place to, you know, start working on this road. We're always behind on roads, right? Like feels. Good black. This road's pretty much ready to rock like y'all be ready to rock and roll. And
w we have to be 'cause it holds us back from doing anything in From having the first C O in Area One till it's completed.
Okay.
We do have a subsequent development agreement. So David and I get to work a little bit more on this one that that condition calls out. And we're working with Wiregrass of course it's going through their property, so we're coordinating with them. They do have an obligation to give the right away in the ponds. Um there's no issue with that. It's just we obviously we want to coordinate, they gotta make sure that it works for them, it's coming across their property.
So it's gonna so that's tracking The direction that I'd like. Okay that we've discussed.
That's correct.
Okay. Thank you.
Yes.
So again, this just shows the secondary access and lots of details regarding that. As we had questions, we put details on our concept plan. That's why you see all those details there.
This is the list of access management improvements that the project is doing. 54 and Saddlebrook Way, as you've heard of about those improvements. 54 and Vision Road H, Vision Road H and Project Access A, Vision Road H. And site access. These are the improvements to Saddlebrook Way and State Road 54, the the dual lefts and the dedicated right.
We did we talked about the Van Dyne intersection and staff um told you about condition seventeen. This is the revision, you have that revision.
That is this is the new the concept plan of how we'll achieve access. You can see that we have access also out to our neighbor, so they'll be able to use the light as well if they want to connect. There is a s a piece of their uh property that they don't have, they do not have pavement to their property line. There's a gap there. But they certainly could change that and want to have access. continue to work with them. If they work with us. Division road H
we just talked about. Coming out of um Planning Commission, the request on Saddlebrook Way for enhanced um landscaping. That's the yellow. This the the The green was already in our MPV plan, it's been in our MPV plan for a long time, enhanced um enhanced landscape buffers for east of those boundaries where we are adjacent to residential, and the enhanced buffer treatment that you see in orange there to the existing golf course.
We've talked about the fact that we removed all the townhomes backing up to Salah Book Way. Again we did that on our own. Um wasn't requested by Planning Commission or staff.
So this is something I'm sure We'll talk a lot about both with the commission and with the presentations, I'm sure you'll hear from the residents and their representatives. So what we were asked to do From early on, um
It was the question was could Mass do development area one and two and not do anything with the resort? So we put a lot of conditions on ourselves and staff continue to put those conditions on us um to make sure that they were would they achieved that goal, which was to make sure that we couldn't do development area one and two without doing the resort. So this is the result of all all that work. And it's been a lot of work. First of all, the existing driving
range will remain operational until the new driving range is operational, which means you can't start turning any dirt in development area one. until the investment's been made in the new driving range. Second thing is, prior to the first CO equivalent in dever development area one or two. Renovation of at least eighteen holes of golf. And renovation commenced in all of these areas, masked condo hotel units, and when we look at the renovation plan condition you'll see that there's
an opportunity for all the third parties to also be get their re their units um renovated along at the same time. commencing on the lobby, food and beverage e areas and meeting space. So you look at that and you say, Well What's the significance of that? It's commenced all of these areas. This resort's not closing down. So to to get to the point where you commence all of those areas and you have to phase all of them so that you have an an operational
resort. To get to that point where you've commenced on each one of those areas is actually a a pretty large commitment.
Prior to the three hundred and first residential CO equivalent in Development Area One, all of the Mass Condo Hotel units have to be done. There's also the the condition regarding the the third party hotel units. The lobby has to be finished, at least one food and beverage area, at least 50% of the meeting space. And prior to the final residential CO, then they complete all those renovations. We also worked on after Planning Commission a detailed renovation plan for the third-party condo hotel owners.
And the idea being there. that making sure that there was a bunch of ground rules that the county wanted to to see in that ultimate renovation plan. Aside from just a fact that there's a renovation plan, what is it going to look like? What's the model room look like and the like, there's ground rules in there Which means the renovation cost for the third party this was important the county wanted to make sure the renovation cost for the third party conta condo hotel unit owners shall not be more than the renovation cost of
the of the condo hotel unit units, so that's There's equivalency there that our that my client's not marking up and saying, okay, this is my cost, but I'm gonna charge more to do it for the third party owners.
We have to project the the cost of the unit renovation with projected revenue increase and result in our ROI. We have to seek out financing to the extent available for third party unit owners who require financial assistance. I would again remind you that these are securities, registered securities. To buy one of these units, you make a disclosure that you make individually two hundred thousand a year, three hundred thousand dollars a year as a couple, or a million dollars in assets.
Are we can hang up one second? Commissioner Weightman.
Thank you.
With the the the the credit
I'll preface it this way, we've already weighed into this thing further than most.
I would agree.
Uh makes me a bit uncomfortable at times. And I've shared this comment with probably everybody in this room or most people. Government's pushing the boundaries here, but I'll ask this question for consumer advocacy reasons. The $30,000 that Mass is willing to put towards a renovation. if a if a third party owner wants to renovate theirs. How does that work? How does that kick in? Like say they want to do 15,000.
Dollars worth of renovation, some carpets, some tile holes, some cabinetry. How how does We've already pried in a lot so I figured how how is this reimbursement working? Is it They're all in and then once they once that owner breaks that threshold then then mass comes in with with their their piece of it. Am I is my question making sense? Uh
I'm not entirely following you
on
the
right-of-way.
Are we talking about m mass?
On the condotel on the condotels. The condotel renovation piece. So many papers here.
Commissioner Weightman, I don't think Mass is paying for the condo owners. At all.
There's not there's not I thought there was up to
No that's a
Maybe I mis misinterpreted. Yeah,
the I think what the what you're talking about, the numbers that are in here in this condition, in the whatever paragraph that is at the end, there are numbers in there for if somebody doesn't want to renovate that there is a um obligation for our mass to up to a certain point to buy those units. Again, the economic growth thought it was important to make sure that we had a robust renovation plan so that is a large majority of these units get get renovated because it's important to the success of the resort, which is important to the county and very important
to my clients. So you have m mutual same interest there.
Right, I I appreciate that. I was trying to get a better clarity and understanding after the conversation with the residents folks about it. It was in I thought it was an interesting I thought it was a nice gesture on behalf of Mass to could do that but I apparently interpreted interpreted it wrong. Sorry, long long day.
Um, let's see, what else do we have important in here? Calendar deadline for third-party c hotel owners to enter into the renovation contract so their unit will be done with the renovations that Mast is doing.
The um And we can if you have any questions, my clients here and can go through this at the end. There's a lot of qualifying language here just because when you're talking about values and and making sure that they pay the same as what Mass pays and how does that work because you do have variations in some of these units. There's a lot of details there. Um and then there's this provision that talks about what happens if a if a unit owner, um, one of the investors does not choose to renovate and there's the a buyout and there's
also that my client will um agree to remove the unit from the rental pool which that means they lose all of their benefits as a resort owner.
We have been asked and asked and asked. Can we, you know, is this tight enough? Is this tight enough? Is this tight enough? Is there anything else? Have we missed anything? Does this let my client do something? You know, get something out of order? Does this mean that they don't have to do something? Um I feel really strongly that, you know, all along here You can see all the conditions and I push and push and push. Okay. Um But I believe that We go any further. I'm
afraid we'll make him unsuccessful. It's just too much at some point. And so I pause whenever I push any further into their business plan and their business um in zoning. Because it's not my expertise. And the worst thing we can do is ratchet them down to a ratchet very eloquent term, ratchet them down to a point that they they're not going to be successful and and uh I wanna seem successful and I know you do too. That is my presentation. Um certainly
available for for uh any questions and we'll listen to The residents and the representative and Henry Button.
Barbara, if you don't mind, what I'd like to do I and I should have done this before, let me bring up David Engel and let him just talk about what he has in case he wants to clarify anything. And then if you want to say something, you can say something and then and then we'll go to public comment. This way we'll get it. Clear from his side.
Yeah.
In case there's any other thirty thousand dollar bonuses we m might be missing. That one hour would make a difference, Chairman. Storm driven.
That's just wishful thank you.
Well I can say this clearly, good evening, David Enkel economically. Yeah, some questions regarding uh the renovation plan, sir.
Yeah, g let's go with the latest changes to it as far as the the start. I mean I saw the I mean the slide didn't show what goes on with the the residents, et cetera, the the condotel owners. So just kind of clarify their situation, how they tie into the rest of this.
These aren't market units. These aren't units that people can use and enjoy indefinitely. There's a 45-day restriction. As was stipulated in testimony, they are qualified investors. These are investment vehicles. We were concerned look going into the Final phase of negotiations that Mast only controlled 75 units and you need a certain economies of scale to support the resort. It doesn't function adequately and to its potential
without enough condo hotels that are renovated. So one thing we wanted, we wanted to have Mass run the renovation plan and program because they have mobilization advantages, economies of scale. They'll be competitively trying to get the lowest bids because they're going to be paying per unit what everybody else is paying. And Mast agreed to do that and run that renovation plan and then we wanted a stipulation that at a date certain people were given
told if you don't sign up, you're out. and um that Mass agreed to that. We provided that in the provisions within those conditions. And um we also wanted the We also wanted the renovation plan distributed quickly, and I did see a copy of it. It was distributed yesterday, and I read it this morning, and it was a good plan. It provided the history of the condominium hotels. Um the last renovation was 2001-2002.
It provided a comparative analysis as to the disadvantage of the resort at this point and the advantages. of renovating those hotel units. It also provided a uh we asked for a return on investment analysis of Proforma because these are investment vehicles. They're just they're real assets, they're not financial securities. And it did provide a adequate return, and I didn't see the backup to it, but approximately 16% annual ROI once
the thing gets up and running. I think there's a minor minor loss. for 2024 after the units are renovated and then they go into positive cash flow in 25 and then it ramps up. The last thing we did was we asked Mass and they uh they were very gracious actually. To accept the fact that they may have to buy some of the units because we want to make sure that there's a scale there to accommodate the resort at its completion. So um market values
were established. We don't want mass to be disadvantaged. Um we look had two comparables that were uh transacted in the last I think about eight months for each of the models and the prices that are in the agreement are accurate and they do reflect the market value of those units today. So I I looked at what is it for the condo hotel owner? I mean you're sitting there with a depreciated asset. I mean the y as I understand it the units
are going for much less than they originally were or at their peak. Uh you're sitting with a depreciated asset. You're gonna have to belly up to the bar and put anywhere for I guess the average about sixty five, seventy K, depending on the type of unit. into it, but you have a positive ROI and and the and the flip side is the value of your asset will start appreciating over time. So you have the advantages of owning real property, you have positive cash flow after year one. And you also have the potential
of of uh nurring uh a appreciating asset. So that was our view and that's why we endorsed the plan. And uh we were I think it took us about two weeks to negotiate this this one item on the reservation plan.
Uh d and David, I appreciate your jumping in. We we we met last week, we talked about it and uh clearly waiting to the three hundred and first unit didn't make a lot of sense for the renovations to happen because there was no details. I mean there's there's no reason for a wait that long anyway. And it's not good for the mass, it's not good for the people that own. Uh and I'm glad you're you've lined it up. A couple of things it's it's within ninety days they've got to respond to mass offer, is that correct?
They have to they have uh once they get delivered the renovation plan, I believe they have ninety days to sign up.
So with the renovation plan submitted last night, is that sufficient enough or is it gonna be more detailed?
Well I I don't know how that was served. Um I just saw a copy of it. A resident had given it to me. I haven't seen a formal transmittable from Mass at this point.
Okay, so what I wonder is uh I I I And I'll let the residents talk a little more. But I don't know if they had talked about before they were going to do a plan first to show people what they were going to get, or was it just going to be a paper form to say, here's what's going to happen?
Well, I believe a a detailed renovation plan would have a detail on what the improvements would be and what the outcomes would be. So I and I and I know that about maybe five months ago, Mass did provide us with a mock-up of how the units would look upon completion.
Yeah, and I and I think it's critical and hopefully if these things do go, the people like the plan it goes goes well. They won't be buying anybody or very few anyway, so that'll f free them up to just keep on going. I think the quicker they get it done as is as Jordan says the economies of scales they can take advantage of. The more people sign up quicker, maybe some benefits there. Uh as Aaron says Aaron said they're not competitive as they are right now, so there's a there's a great benefit for everybody. I just want to see that we kind of get things tied in as quick as we can uh
to get it moving. Uh and frankly I will throw out there again as we talked last time I would love to see us work with permitting real close, uh cutting fees down to save some residents and money if we can as well. uh put some expedited plan together where I've got a gentleman who could be a certified in all four different trades where he can like do view specs like we have done before to get these things quick, efficiently and let 'em turn and and help them get it done quicker than the normal process might be. Any other
questions?
No.
Yes. Thank you. Thank you, David. Good.
Thank you, David.
So one of the things I forgot to mention that renovation plan, one is the renovation plan that was received by Mass to their um resort owners is not all of that this renovation plan that we have 90 days to get to the county, hopefully from today. So but it is certainly the renovation plan that talks about the cost and ROI and those different things. But one of the things that's really important to this renovation plan, not only to make sure that my client is paying what they're paying, everybody else is paying, so so it's all
the same. It's number two on here. And it requires that um The agreement to renovate between the third-party condo hotel owners and the applicant developer shall include the requirement the applicant developer renovate the lobby, food and beverage areas, the pool, ground level meeting space in the main building, and an outside calendar deadline to complete SAIN. So they're gonna work with their resort owners, they're gonna make their commitments. So I my understanding is what's been
a hindrance to investment of the resort owners to renovate their units in the past is the lack of investment by the owner in their areas. So that can't occur here. So there's a commitment and an agreement that says, hey, resort owner, If you sign up I sign up for what I'm gonna do. And that's an important number two here. um that you see that. And Pool is included in there. And you'll see that if you look at the language in the phasing conditions relative to the
county and what the county's reviewing against, the pool's not in there because the county um looks at we're having them look at things that are building permits so they can verify it. So there's the link between what we're doing in building permits and pool does renovation doesn't require it. But right here, before we ask any of our condo hotel owners to sign on the dotted line, it has to include the commitment of to do renovations at the pool. And the fact that we're gonna in that agreement where it belongs in the private agreements outside of zoning there will
be an outside calendar deadline um to complete um complete those renovations. So I wanted to point that out.
Thank you.
Can we have a list?
So um we have
public comment?
Yeah, we can go to p we have multiple signed up for fifty four and uh sixty eight again. Do you want to call this list?
Um Yeah, let's start with here, I guess. Jane Hagen first. Uh Jane Graham first, sorry.
Good evening Commission. I'll make this as fast as possible 'cause I know that we wanna find a solution here.
Name and address for the record.
Yeah. My name is Jane Graham, Sunshine City Law, seven three seven Main Street, Suite One Hundred, Safety Harbor, representing the Save Saddlebrook Coalition. Now I've already
spoke and you were and were you sworn.
Yes, I was sworn to the right-of-way. Yeah. And so without going into the details, I mean this is a quasi-judicial hearing. You're supposed to take into account whether or not there's competent substantial evidence that has supported each of these conditions of approv uh conditions under the Euclidean rezoning criteria and the MPUD rezoning criteria. It would be our position that there are still a number of deficiencies. based on what we've already spoken about in the earlier section, so I'm not going to belabor those
points. There also are the inconsistencies with the comprehensive plan which we do maintain for the record. Yeah. Larry Barbetta is going to speak to this a lot more. But what we would say is we We do think that the conditions of approval are very much on the right side. They're getting there. They're almost there. What masks? This is what we'd like to see. When Mast welcomes the new residents in Development
Area One, the resort should be fully renovated and open for business. Right now the conditions of approval only require renovations of the Condo Hotel units to be met by Mast to be complete by the final building inspection for the 301st residential unit. and 50% of the condo hotel units owned by third party members, third party owners. In practical terms, this could be years in the future. And so, meanwhile, and and you know we have had
many productive conversations with MAST, and it's our understanding that they are very much committed to renovating the resort. We think that the current language in conditions of approval 29 to 30 falls short of capturing all of these commitments. So we have some language up here. I'm going to defer to Larry Barbetta. He's going to explain what we think should be tweaked. We think that this instead of the 301st unit, it should be the first unit. So like I said, when
you start opening development area one, the resort is fully renovated and open for business. As well, we'd like to see the pool up here as far as the first cut of things that would be renovated at that same time. There's also an update to condition thirty. Larry's gonna go through it a little bit more as far as what we'd like to see. Why is this relevant? And I think that you all understand this anyways that the phasing of development is relevant for approval based on
section 402.2C5D. What I wanted to talk with you about, and it was kind of interesting to me that this came up in another topic of conversation earlier, are the dimensional standards. Because if you look at condition number 49, what you'll see is that they're actually much less protective of green space than in comparable zoning districts. For example, The apartments take up 85% lot coverage, whereas
the Euclidean zoning district for multifamily use, which would be the MF3 high density district at 24 acres, is actually only allowed 55% lot coverage. Now, there's something similar as well for non-residential standards. These deviations would be forgivable because it is an MPUD and it makes sense that you do want the flexibility. However, it would be forgivable if the buildings
were truly clustered to maximize green space. But if you look at the binding concept plan, it still depicts the vast amount of development areas. One is composed of parking lots. So we do think that the plan can be better. We think that there should be less parking lots. There they should be clustered in a closer way, less lot coverage. And the dimensional standard can get to that. So that would be an amendment to condition 49 to see if
you can temper some of those lot coverage space. Oh. The other thing I wanted to raise your attention to is that the plan lacks information about the open space and recreation that's required by the code. What it actually says under condition of approval 14 is that it will be approved at the time of the PDP and PSPs, the preliminary development plan and site plan. And I don't know how familiar you
guys are with something called alternative standards, but it says that, you know, these can be in accordance with um 905.1, which are the park requirements, and any alternative standards approved. Alternative standards are a deviation from code requirements, and that's an administrative determination that's not made by the Commission. And so what you might see, and I urge you to take a close look at this and what's happening with various site plans that might be going through. Is that staff
are approving these alternative site plans that are skating by some of the requirements as far as let's include a clubhouse as part of a plan for recreation or let's count stormwater structures as parks. And these are things that actually go against the code, but alternative standards seem to be allowing it. So take a close look Look at that, see if you can tighten that up and make sure that the parks are really complying with what is allowed and
required. The other issue about that is if you look back at the history Back in nineteen ninety seven I've got a copy of an inter office memorandum from nine uh sorry, ninety-seven, not ninety-three, that says that fifty percent of the area in area one is actually supposed to be reserved for landscaping. And um you know what's interesting about this is There there was some discussion that, oh, you know, the
commercial and retail is actually what's new on this plan, but actually commercial has already been approved based on the older MPUD for 100,000 square feet of commercial in development area one. But what it says, and that's kind of beside the point, but what it says, which is important, is that 50% of that area is reserved for landscaping. And so that that gives you a a picture of what was originally intended and then you look at what's used now. Now that's actually that needs to
be updated. Um that has a townhome, so it wouldn't have that those the list of the extra townhomes there. But still, in development area one there are there's a l there's not fifty percent landscaping. Again, w what
did you just say there's not what?
Fifty percent landscaping in area one in the plans that you're looking at.
So finally, I mean, going back through the comprehensive plan sections, compatibility remains an issue. Um, these variety of issues, traffic analysis, we do still have significant questions that remain. I've included a letter from Drew Rourke, an engineer who did look at um the May analysis. He kind of just quickly looked at it, he wasn't able to do a full analysis. But what he did notice is that many of the methodologies were the same and he did have some issues with that methodology.
Um, especially given the magnitude. Why was the study area so small given the development of this magnitude?
Ultimately um Pasco County and Saddlebrook deserves better. Um we think that there can be some more changes for the conditions. Larry Barbetta is going to speak more about it. And one last thing that I do just want to clear up on the record there was some discussion um by staff that the fire and emergency said no comment, so therefore it Counted to mean that it was approval. However, if you look at the schools, it said no concerns.
If you looked at the parks under the same section, it said no concerns. If you looked at economic growth, it explicitly said no concerns. So the fact that there was no no comments provided, I mean that's something that I think that on its face is different. So I I leave you with that. Um you know, uh Mr. Barbetta will tell you a lot more, explain the timeline and what we're looking at. And I do just want to highlight again that the coalition really has appreciated the opportunity to work with Mass. They
are Mass neighbors, they will be Mass neighbors. They want to see this be um successful for everyone, and to do that they want to make sure that there's true synchrony in in um the landscaping, that there's protection and that more all most importantly that there's synchrony in the resort being renovated at the same time and in a s in a clear and substantial way that protects the property owners mask and um through development
area one through the same time. So thank you very much. Any questions?
Any questions?
No, but I I will have some questions for Barbara based on things you said. So uh it looks
you wanna go now Larry? It s
so we're calling Larry Barbetta to the okay.
Hello again. This is Lawrence Barbetta. I live at [address removed] and I've been sworn in.
So First of all again. Thank you for the time and we also thank you Commissioners for giving us time to work with Mast. I think the time was beneficial. I think we've made some very significant progress in many areas. So thank you. And to my own. Colleagues at Mast, we've appreciated your time and sincerely the efforts you've put forth. And I do think we've made good progress and I think we're close. And I'm looking forward to finishing these last couple steps so we can get this over the goal
line together. And you can succeed and we can succeed as a community. So we've made great progress. Where do we have concerns and need your help? uh commissioners is really two primary areas. One deals with the revitalization of the resort in terms of the timing. and the scope of the commitments. The second area is we still have worries about area one in terms of density, lack of green
space, the product, etc. and the implications that has on our community. We really do believe that this can and should be a win-win. When solution. When for mast, Win for the residents, win for the county. And we ask your help to get there, because we really are close. So where have we made great progress? As was mentioned earlier, the um declaration of restriction to preserve the golf course and the views is is a tremendous
um benefit and benefits the community very much and we're happy to hear that we have closure on that. We also have a companion agreement that goes with that that relates to filing. That's a very important um accomplishment and something that's important for our community and we're thankful. In area one where we have concerns again. And we'll discuss it more, is just the scope. Now I was very excited to hear about the changes in the access in area too, because that might create an opportunity perhaps
to balance this better. And there were earlier conversations where there was flexibility in possibly considering the movement of density between those areas in some way. And so we would like to have um. We would ask you to explore that. In terms of the resort revitalization
Basically, the timing really matters. It matters to us as a community. We've been through a lot. This has been very, very difficult on the community. And what we're gonna go through is gonna be difficult as well. So you know, let's rip the band aid off. Let's move it responsibly, but let's move it quickly. Okay. Um Right now there's a lot going on and I'll break it down. We think the fundamental, as Jane communicated,
should be simple. When you're Getting the benefit of the development in the front. Area one and area two. How about when you're ready to move people in there? You're ready to welcome people back. to a renovated Saddle Park Resort. We're not saying do our s everything first and then start there. But we are saying let's get Some you know synchronicity with that, let's do it simultaneous. Move in there, Welcome us
back here. Also, I would point out that master representatives have conveyed in sworn testimony on numerous occasions, that they don't require revenues or funding in Area One or Two to fund the resort renovations. So there shouldn't be a fiscal reason to hold that up. Ан ізнтер, примери гол одеспроєкт. To revitalize Saddlebrook. Not build more apartments. What's a revitalized saddleburn? If we have to
build apartments to do it, we understand. But let's not lose sight of the goal. Okay. These are the conditions of approval. And I've highlighted a couple of areas. I won't read them all. Lots of them are good. In twenty eight, the concern is note it says You're gonna commence renovation. When are you going to commence renovation of the existing condo hotel units owned by Mast and some of the privately owned ones and start renovations? It's
not until the first final building inspection in Area One, two, and the completion of eighteen holes with golf. Okay. We'll come back to that. Twenty nine also says the Our first final inspection For unit three oh one. So they've moved in three hundred people already in area one is when we have our first completion date. At the resort. That's a disconnect.
This speaks to the condo owners. We think we should have privately owned people. Should be enabled the same turnaround time provided they support the resort plan, the renovation plan in a timely manner. And why this matters to us as a community is because it has a full functioning resort, not a few rooms, and how it matters to the county is the revenue impact.
And along those lines, the revenue impact is pretty simple. If we look at mass information that was provided even last night. In twenty twenty two. When you look at gross revenues. The county. Through its five percent, penny for Pasco, an additional one percent. Yields five hundred and twenty thousand dollars. That's the county's money from according to mass information provided last night when I did the math off of their numbers. When the resort is
completed, Mast is projecting The Rev PAR, which is revenue per available room, to increase from forty three In twenty twenty two, which is what happened. A projected fifty-seven in twenty twenty three to a hundred and fifty-three in twenty twenty three. Uh finished state. And revenue per available room, for those who aren't familiar with it, means not just an average rate for the room, that implies an occupancy forecast too. Okay? So that's what that would mean. That changes the gross
of Saddlebrook, just on the resort rentals, from 7.4 million in gross revenue to twenty six point four million. Tremendous gross county product. I think that's the acronym you guys use. And that's not including all the other money they spend outside of the room rental. To Pasco itself, it means 520K Last year, projected six eighty nine thousand this year. One point eight five million. At a finished state.
So the sooner we get this done, think of the economic impact to the county overall and the benefits to us. Okay, so specifically when we look at this, if you break down by the time you finish 18 holes of golf. If it got compressed to do it in one single season, It would be November 2024 before the developer would be required to commence renovations at the resort. Not finish, commence. Why?
Why would we want to wait that long? And by the way, doing that would result in closing down eighteen holes so you'd only have nine left. Okay. And if they spread it out over two seasons. Nine holes. keep eighteen open, then go to the other nine, etcetera. You wouldn't even start work until November 2025. Okay. That's too long. Why would we wait to start until then?
We've talked about the impact on lost revenue. We also think again including everybody who owns a condo to be done at the same time provided they opt in would make sense.
Okay? So rather than just talk, as Jane mentioned, we've given some language. This is the existing language. The changes are in green. Instead of it saying 301. We would ask that we're not going to be able to When you're ready to move people into area one, The first unit. We didn't say area two by the way, you could do area two earlier. But when you're gonna move people into area one Be ready to welcome back at the resort. Let's be done. It's not hard. Second thing, include all the condo owners that are privately
owned if they opt in.
And then we all to accomplish that we just have to change those two little sections in section 30. We provided that to you for your consideration. We think it's very viable and measured.
concerned about. Oh, there's one other thing which is we added the pool as well because we want some of the benefits um for some of the amenities that matter to owners, not just from a hotel perspective. Okay.
Others will talk more about the traffic, so I'm gonna not cover that. Others will. Um But The plan still has challenges in area one with the green space as Jane brought up. We see the apartments. There's a there is a lack of green space. We see a big issue with the impact of the Vision Road in terms of having to turn right, do U-turns, etcetera. Maybe with the changes in area two we could responsibly push a little bit of that density there and keep everyone off of the Saddlebrook
Wishbone, which is already Lodjam and Chokehold. That's a big problem. I don't care what any traffic study says. That's a big problem. Okay, the other thing that is something we should consider is when we have this Vision Road Access, which is certainly great and we appreciate that, it pushes a lot of traffic through our small roads that don't have sidewalks. It runs a lot of traffic directly via school. Okay, just something to consider from a safety perspective. Okay. So in conclusion We would ask you to consider
the reasonable adjustments
very practical and pragmatic and makes sense for everyone even in mass benefit as well. Okay. We think doing that would have a great economic benefit to the county, it would have a great quality of life benefit, it would Absolutely support economic growth and tourism because you have the one resort in Saddlebrook back, I mean in Pasco back sooner and back where it needs to be. It needs attention, we all know that. It needs it fast. It doesn't take long to trash a
reputation.
Okay.
We think that what we're proposing is a win win win. And we would ask for your help and support to make it real. We thank Mast for the concessions they've made. And for working with us and we thank the county for all of your support and your time and consideration. Thank you very much.
Pat Hogan?
It's a screen news.
Uh Pat Hogan [address removed] uh [address removed] and I've been sworn in. Um so it's probably no secret what I'm gonna talk about. Everybody's kind of telegraphed for me, so we're gonna talk about golf a little bit. Um and the concern that we have as uh owners in Fairway Village. You heard Mr. Really talk uh earlier about uh being stuck behind golf carts in his uh and yeah on his way home. Well I live uh three doors
down from where he lives. So I I feel his pain. But the problem with the But the layout as it stands uh is that uh there The plan is to use um uh roads that are owned by Fairway Village HOAS CART Pass. And uh we have been told and we hope that that it does come to fruition that there are truly gonna be car paths. But if we look at uh Uh we look at this uh We
I did a little diagram here so it can show you what's going on. So And one the red arrows, as you can see there, the the main road going all the way through the through the middle of the pitcher is Fairway Drive. The red arrows show the first nine and the routing that would need to take place. You see the two on the far left of the of the pitcher. Once you're done hole two, you have to get on Fairway Drive and go all the way down to See where the the three arrows are in the middle? You can see
the red arrow comes down and you go to hole three there. That takes about forty-five seconds, so there's a drive along there that that that has to be done and that's on a road where there's joggers, there's there's bikers, there's kids with bab there's women with baby carriages that hits a residential road with no sidewalks. So and the current um plan the current layout for all of the holes uh in uh Saddlebrook it with the exception of three crossover points, all of the all of the the the travel between holes is done
on the golf course. It doesn't come on the road like it is here. So carrying on with number number uh with the with the red arrows, once you're done hole three, well then you gotta get back on the road again to get to hole four. And you can see the red arrow that goes up up there again. So you go around and play those holes in that area, then you come and you get to hole seven you can see a green arrow. I chose to do that green because from hole seven to get to hole eight you gotta get back on the road again. And you gotta get the whole eight. And then after
Down Hole eight. You get off you get back on to Fairway Drive. And you go back down and you intersect with the golf course again back down the left hand side. And that's just one nine. Um T T times and golf at Saddlebrook are every eight minutes. So you can have anywhere from two carts to four carts depending on on who's playing. uh on the road for only that tea time. So every eight minutes this happens. So you've got travel going
both ways. A real safety concern for people who live in Fairway Village. The other arrows, the other purple arrows show the the routing in the in the third nine that that's been proposed where you come from hole twenty. twenty-two going to hole twenty-three and you get into that crowded area where there's three arrows with golf carts going three different directions all crossing like that and it happens every eight minutes. Then
you go around, you play twenty-three, you play twenty-four, twenty-five, and then you gotta get back on the road again. to get to hole twenty six. So I guess I just wanna point this out and and I know that uh our friends at Mast who have been They al they they always listen to concerns and they always come up with a plan. And we just want to make sure that the plan As it stands, doesn't include fairway roads. It does include double car pass in some areas and certainly car pass
to keep the traffic that's on the goal of course away from the resident traffic that we have there in Fairway Village. Thanks.
Can I ask a question?
Sure, go ahead.
Are you saying you don't want golf cart traffic on your roads?
We're saying we don't want golf cart traffic on the roads between holes. Now what what what uh what Uh we we right now we have crossover points between the roads. For example on the Palmer course you you we do that. But now as it stands with that with the way the the proposed layout is, they're actually traveling on on fairway roads to get from for example from hole two to three, you get on a fair you get on fairway drive. From from three to four,
you get on fairway drive. From seven to eight, you get get on Fairway Drive.
Do you prefer that the golf course go away? Or
no
I
No, I'm saying that I'm saying in part of the renovation should include a cart path. That's all I'm saying. That's all I'm saying is a cart path remedies all this. But but to put all of that traffic on on the on the on those roads, that's that's a lot of cart traffic on on the roads. It becomes a a safety hazard. Because between those roads where Mr. Reely and I live, we go we go through that area to get from the the the start of uh Saddlebrook to where we live. Okay, that that that's fine.
Yeah.
Anything else?
Um thank you for showing it. There's actually some longer trips on the other side too, but um I'm I'm sure Reese Jones will t be taking a good good look at everything and uh improve this.
Thank you.
Okay. Um I'm going to call uh Andrew Andrew Pines next.
We got six months.
How much time do we have here?
Six minutes.
I need to reintroduce myself and address Andrew Pines, [address removed]. Uh Leslie Chaffel. Hi, I'm sworn in. Thank you.
So I'd like to address the email that I sent to all of you last night. Um and most importantly, I bought into Saddlebrook a year ago just about a year ago. I bought on the history. I bought on the vision of what's possible here. And I think we've been at this. Because we are all committed to the same goal, which is to make Saddleburgh great again. And it has incredible potential. And as Larry pointed out, all we're asking
for is accountability. Mass Capital, many meetings, says Barbara Otaku, did showed all kinds of renderings, really promised the residents and the condo owners everything of what this place is gonna look like. And I imagine in your mind you have a vision of what Saddlebrook will look like when it when they're all finished.
Yesterday the president of the condo association, I'm a I'm a condo owner Emailed us asking to email every one of you in full support of Mass proposal.
It wasn't until 5 35 P. M. that we received I received, and from what I've heard from other condo owners, the actual costs associated with upgrading our Condo units. From what they presented in the pictures and the estimated costs originally, the numbers have now doubled. So the calculations that we had was that the condo owners were gonna spend twenty five million dollars collectively, and
yeah they have seventy five of them, they'll do their part. to renovate and upgrade Saddlebrook. to the level four plus star that we're all envisioning for this place. Now let's just estimate they're asking us to spend fifty million dollars. of our money to renovate without any additional support on their behalf. The only reason we're talking about busin you know, business issue between owner and and and
investors is because they came to you asking for special approval. for rezoning for the Golden Goose. We all know. There's no secret here. Area one is where the fortune's gonna be made on this and where they're gonna r make a nice return on their investors. And possibly, you know, if there was an earn out from what I've heard to the Dempsey family. Well capitalize as well. on the plans for area one, which is wonderful. I'm all for big b for business succeeding. I
want Saddlebrook to succeed. They've asked us now to go from twenty-five million to fifty million to renovate this resort that they bought, and yet they're not committing to one dollar. In fact, they want, like Larry pointed out, to be able to develop up front And only commence down the road. Jordan in our meetings had said to me, We can't expect the condo owners to invest unless we match them with investment in the resort and
all they're saying is yeah, we'll update the lobby, we'll update the restaurant, we'll update the meeting rooms, which is all well and good for the owners of the resort, but as the condo owners, where's our matched resort in the things that matter to us? We want a four star pool. We want a membership, you know, we want newer looking you know, everything that we use and come and experience and we want our return on investment and the things that matter to us. But there's no commitment from them. Larry's
proposal to change it have this place ready four star like you showed us in the pictures When you're ready to get going level one is completely reasonable. That's all we're asking you for your help. Commissioner Oakley. The day of your wedding. You expressed it. you know, support the you will hold them. aca you know, uh accountable to what's best for the county. And I really appreciate that. Thank you. Commissioner Weightman.
I know you grew up here. This is your district. Right? I can't I can't imagine you expected a decision of this in your first year of sitting in this scene. So my heart goes out to you and I thank you for your support on such a huge issue in your own district. Thank you. Jack. Thank you. Just thank you. Commissioner Starkey. We share a lot in common. I my family also I come from very successful developers.
So I do understand and appreciate your commitment to growth and development in this county. Thank you. And to Commissioner Bradford, you're listening in. I would tell you if I had two hours we could sit down and I could give you all the clues. To solving this one?
But unfortunately this process doesn't allow for it. I appreciate the extra time to speak for this. At the end of the day, again, we're all committed to the same thing here. We're just asking for a little bit more help to create win-win-win so that your vision that you have. First Adlebrook. gets put in writing. With some dollar commitments, today the worst case scenario is still possible. They get approval for the front. They commence things in
the front. They turn around. flip this thing, make their profits, go all the way back to Miami, return their investors in two years, probably double their investors' money. They possibly get their earnout. No more left. still without Saddlebrook getting to be the four plus star that they showed us, that they've sold every condo owner, every resident, all of you everyone on of what Saddlebrook is possible. Please
help us. get them to honor their commitment to match that fifty million dollars that they're now asking us to put into this resort to v revitalize it. It's just not fair that it has to all fall on the condo owners and they're not being held accountable to a similar type commitment. Thank you for your time.
Okay, that was the end of the list with the special timing. So um moving back to here, so Keith Swope. You were signed up for both.
Hi Key Swoke, [address removed].
And were you s sworn? Ma'am. Can you state whether you've been sworn? He
swoked at [address removed]. Were you sworn? Were you sworn? Oh I wasn't. Yes, I'm sorry. Thank you. You were? Yes. Old death mail, I'm sorry. Thank you. Uh I wanna make it really fast. This will be really easy for you to do. Uh There are a lot of things I want to happen. Ms. Starkey said it earlier, she was saying that when we first met, she said, I like it, but it needs to be greener. That front interest needs to be green. And that's what we want. We want it nice and
pretty. Back down some of the apartments, maybe even take the top story off of if you had from four to three story, you get rid of twenty-five percent of your parking, you got twenty-five percent more green. How are you doing? Move everything move all apartments over to section two. I mean, I don't care if you got twenty stories, first five stories parking. You know, make everything else whole place free as well, I'm sorry. Move move the town as it's over the con the townhouses over on our property, whatever it takes, but make
it further. The second thing, if they're gonna have division road in, they said the division road will be finished before they start doing the apartments. I if that's the case, great. You don't need our road. If that's the case, use the vision room. Everybody says it's good right. Come out, they go this way, they go that way, go all these ways. Perfect. Don't use our road. If you do those two things, you're going to have a lot of people that aren't sitting up here complaining and wasting your time at 7 o'clock
at night because they'll be really happy with you. Thank you very much. Good night.
Thank you.
Okay next. I have signed up Nancy Foster. Oh she might have left. She does okay. Barbara Thun Thunberg.
Okay. And the next one is uh Greg For heal? He's passing too. Robert Rahel, did you want to speak on this one?
Okay. And then I saw Lily Zoo, she left. Um so that is all we have signed up uh for public comment.
Did anyone else want to speak? Please come forward? I know you had a question earlier, so sorry.
Thank you everybody. I just want to make sure um name
and address and whether you've been sworn for the record, please.
Karen Havlin, [address removed]. And yes, I've been sworn in. Thank you.
Thank you.
A couple of things about the entrance up at the top of Saddlebrook. Yeah the traffic issues that I don't think the traffic report took into consideration. is when people come to Saddlebrook, they stop at that front gate. They talk to the gate person, they tell them why they're there, where they're going. and if it's a guest to the resort, they get a they get a a parking pass that goes in their car. So there is a There's a delay. It's not
like a regular gate at other communities where people pull up and the gate goes up and they go in. And I don't think the Traffic. um studies considered that. The other thing I don't think the traffic studies considered is during those periods when they have golf tournaments and they have conventions there. You know, you've got when you fill up that resort of three hundred rooms, you've got close to a thousand people coming in the gate. And these people are coming from airports and s and things like that. And if they have to check out at
six in the morning just to get out the gate to make a ten o'clock Plain. It's not gonna be their favorite place that they're gonna write reviews on. Um So I wanted to talk about that. Um again that's not considered in the traffic report. And then Also I am I'm a condo owner, hotel condo owner. And I desperately want um the resort to succeed and I am one of those people who is ready to put down our our
piece into that fifty million dollar investment. Um
But, you know, we talked about our place as a security and I'm thinking back to two thousand two when we took a mortgage out. and we bought our condo and we went in and we brought in our own silverware, our own uh bedding, our own everything to make that place our home for those forty five days and actually Forty five days is only if you own one unit. We own two units, so we actually get ninety days. Some people have three units, so
they can actually stay there for a couple of months. So um this idea that it's a securities or something, that's the first time I'd heard that. I've never thought of it that way. Um But um I think it is important that while the resort is under renovation, we are paying the property taxes on our condos. We are paying condo association dues on our condos and then in addition to that we're paying resort fees every
month on our condos, even if we only use them forty-five days out of the year. So we're putting a lot of money into that resort. Um And and and we're not asking anything in return from the county. We're not we are not um putting our kids in schools. We're not looking at social services, um, we're not using the libraries and all the other things that go with um the property taxes. Um so Saddlebrook is a huge moneymaker
for the county. I read somewhere, and you may probably already know this, but ninety percent of tax revenues that come from high density population units like apartment units and stuff, go back into the social services. It's spent back on those properties. So the return on investment when you go into these high density apartment complexes, according to other municipalities. They are the biggest money drain. on your municipalities. That that is what I have read in my research
and um So I invite you to also consider that. But properties that are residential single homes. Um what they pay in taxes may be a lower amount. to a big apartment building, but they don't cost you the c the doesn't cost public services the way uh high uh density uh communities do. Okay. Anyways I I thank you very much for your time. But I I just wanted to share a couple of thoughts on that. But I'm also one
a win win for uh Saddlebrook.
Okay, thank you. Anyone else in the others want to speak? We he just did that. Come on up.
Again, uh been sworn in [address removed], Robert Reeley. Um just kinda what what she was mentioning there, uh I actually sit on the Tourist Development Council board um in that chair once a month for uh Commissioner Weightman City and with uh Jack. So I I know full well how important the uh the tourism industry is to the county. It's uh it's it's grown a lot in the six years that I've been on the board. Um it's the the investment that is going to be that is needed to re revitalize the
resort tobacco and I grew up there is what is gonna be necessary from this development. They need that kind of development to to spur this kind of um the the ch the tax dollars the generated that that we um can possibly do to get back to where we were, th this is necessary for that. And we'll also create jobs in the office space, the retail and more jobs at the resort, which right now, you know, it's uh Occupancy is low,
the pot the higher occupancy, the more employees that you will have for the county. Um and as far as like you know I heard about this earnout thing, so I just wanted to mention on that, um, you know, I've toured probably two dozen companies personally of buyers of the property when we were selling the property. Every single one of those was going to Do more develop than Mass was gonna do. They were going to get rid of the school, and most of them were going to make it a change, which everyone here would have hated more than
everything that's going on. This was a conversation we had with our family, and we decided that's partly why we wanted to go with Mass because they were gonna keep the Saddleburgh legacy, because they were going to keep the school. And the earnout process was just a a function of speeding up the negotiation rather than arguing how much that land is worth because it needed to be rezoned. And the last thing that that no one has actually said I think this entire time is that if we make this resort a four or five star resort like it should be, every
single home value in Saddlebrick is going to be worth more. You know, if you have the access to have you know, uh you're on the proximity of a five uh four or five star resort and you can drive your golf cart there which other people can't do and you have memberships, every single house at Saddleburgh will be worth more money. Yeah on that side.
Thank you.
Anyone else from the audience want to speak? Anyone on Webex?
There's no one else on buttons.
Uh back to staff. Matter of fact if I could
Well doesn't Barbara get
remote?
Yeah but she will. Staff um Barbara. I'm gonna bring David up and if you wanna talk first, that's fine. Right.
Hello again, David Engel, Economic Growth Director.
Hello, David. Jane Graham when we had met we had sent you a uh copy of what the conditions they w would like to see. We talked about instead of being the three hundred and first unit going to the first unit and then not having fifty percent of the Condel units but a hundred percent of the third party owners all factored in. How did those conversations go?
Well, if you recall, Commissioner, I had uh broached the subject of maybe going to a time certain stipulation. But I looked at it and there's issues if there was a force majeure or some type of uh state of emergency in Florida which would effectuate uh a problem with that concept. So we didn't pursue it any further. I had no discussions at any time on 351 down to 301. Um nobody asked me to look at that and I didn't really perform an analysis.
Um I looked at it though and the and the fact that There's a fifty-three million dollar investment on the resort. I don't know what the financing vehicles that Mass is using. They didn't provide that information. So I believe and we do this with economic projects, allow a latitude of cash flow. And I I thought that potentially some of the cash flow generation up in Area One would help underwrite the financing on the resort itself. So I
didn't really get into anything further than that.
Well I wish you would have because it was a very important one to the residents. So let me ask you this. When we look at the cash flow, et cetera, as one of the ladies uh the ladies just mentioned, She's one who's probably well to do if she can pay her renovation. There's probably a whole bunch more that can. So I would like to have the opportunity for those people if they Agree. go to the terms to be able to get to construction right away. It's good for the resort, it's good for them, it's good for Pasco County. Um have you thought about that angle where again it wouldn't be out of
n mass dime, they're gonna pay the freight. Well uh so why wouldn't we be able to go that way and
focus on that? Maston and I talked about that and they did agree, if if available, to have a financing vehicle or mechanism within the renovation plan. And that's stipulated, I think, in condition thirty-two.
You missed my point. I'm not asking for a financing plan. I'm telling you. people that can pay for it and will pay for it. that why don't we put them in a plan where they can get their renovations done right away like they'd like to timing
mechanism.
The timing mechanism so if if you if you sign up for the plan You have the money, you can go, you can get get the renovation started immediately.
Is that is that our place to be telling
It's not a good thing. I generally don't get involved in that type of micro detail.
We we've never done that before.
I I I just don't understand this invasion to someone.
It would be so start let's stop for a second. I don't want to go too far, because let's think about this. What's the difference of you're gonna say it's gonna be three hundred and fifty one units? Three hundred units or one unit? Or if the people It's right here. You give that conditions right now on numbers.
And I'm talking about this is
shocking. I I'm so embarrassed that we're even in this discussion. I I mean I I I I businessman, businessman, you know. Business people understand cash flow and what you're asking them to do when they're already cash flowing so much without getting it back now. I I I just even just wanna call it the freaking question.
Are you missing are you missing the point? I'm saying the people that will pay their money for their own ri building that they own to get it renovated now instead of waiting three years. Do we want to look at a plan for them?
Are you gonna are we gonna go into every business in the county and tell 'em how to run it?
You tell me the difference between three hundred fifty one, three hundred one, and
no, I uh you can one of those finance guys, I think one of those guys went to Stanford and has an MRS from a school as good as my son's school. He c he could probably tell you how much that would cost and I mean that's millions of dollars. But on top we've already cut them back from uh we took those condo those town homes out in the front. I mean we keep whacking them on the bottom line and bottom line and
bottom line.
It's it's yes we did. We they took out townhomes at the entrance.
I'm talking about right now my conversation is not even about them spending a dime.
You
got
two commissioners over there.
Commissioner Weightman. Thank you, Chairman.
Yeah, I'm I with all due respect, Chairman Mariano 'cause I we're wading into a territory that I'm not comfortable with on the the money piece. This is a a business transaction. We're looking at Zoning. But to your point on the number of units for a CO Or my question, so the three hundred and first unit. So with three hundred and one units may be for the applicant. I'm not sure I'm not sure what So
when the th the three hundred and first unit comes online Does that mean three hundred and one people have moved in? Well those are two two the two And
those are three hundred and one households that have moved into area one. Fifty percent of the private units that have opted into the renovation plan will be completed.
So it's three hundred and one physical moved in.
Well
COs. CO. So just because there's a CO doesn't mean there's people physically in there. That's what I want the clarification on. So if we get three you hit three hundred and one COs, that means you could be however long down the road before you start leasing the project. That's what I'm looking to get clarity
on here. Well the the clarity, Commissioner, is that at the 301st CO, 50% of the units that have opted into the renovation plan will be complete. At the conclusion of Area One, all of the renovations will have taken place and the resort will be open for business.
So that's a pretty tight time line. That's not three years down the road that's what's being in inferred unless somebody tells me I'm I'm I'm wrong. I again I'm I'm very concerned that we're We're wading in too deep. in this in in in the business matters of this. I understand
advocating for the consumer and the resident. But there's a major business transaction here that we need to be s sensitive to. And I can't imagine as a as a business owner I would be pretty I'd I'd I'd be I'd be struggling at at this point in time, no matter your value. Uh So to be clear the the three hundred and one units that triggers COs but that doesn't mean three hundred and one families have moved into those those and
so if that's the case I guess this is a question for mask fifty three. What's your plan? Is it your plan to capture those three hundred and one COs? Uh-huh. What's your timeline of rolling folks in? I think if we understood some potential clarity on that then that would all see the timeline with what you're doing with the with your road expansion to Wiregrass Ranch Boulevard and to the project at the work in in in the resort if if If we could get some clarity on on that piece, I'd I'd be grateful there.
Mr. Chairman M while they're coming up.
Having a stopper is reasonable, which is what the three hundred and one units is, in a in any development condition, because you don't wanna have what used to be referred to as a throwaway phase. That They built what they wanted to build and it doesn't it's not economically vi or they don't have to economically proceed and you don't get what you want. The government doesn't get what it wants as part of
the deal. But that stopper has to be reasonable for both sides.
And so i I'm just trying to assuage your concern about why it's in the deal I'm not necessarily arguing that Well, I am arguing that 301 is probably a reasonable stopper for this sort of a project.
I'm not it's not the three hundred and one It's it's it's the work around the three hundred and unions. COs versus people. Like what's the is it folks in, folks out? Just kind of people. But it's it's it's a it's a C it's a certificate. So that means it could still be time before physical people are living, potentially living in that Project there. there.
And there could yeah, I mean they're rebuilding occupancy
commissioner.
The average occupancy rate in probably Western Chop is like ninety-eight percent. So how long do you think it's gonna be before they fill up?
I mean we're asking asking some pretty in-depth questions.
Well, the sunny side of this discussion is is that The units will be under renovation before the 301st. That means fifty percent have to be complete by 301. Okay.
Commissioner
Oakley.
I don't want to get involved in the uh mass operation of how they're gonna handle those units. The fact of it is is to the benefit of the citizens, the residents there, en masse. to make this project, the best project they can make it. Because they can't turn a dollar outside of there until they put it the way it should be. And I think what you're gonna find, you're gonna find A very well built Saddlebrook. That's a modern age
saddlebrut that's different from the one that was in in the eighties. And you're gonna see that. thrive in this new economy that we have now. And I I think they're going if if they don't take care of traffic and they can't get people in and out of there, guess what? They're not going to rent anything in there. It's not gonna happen. They're gonna look at traffic. As they're building and having construction in different areas, they're gonna be paying attention and taking care of that to
complete a job that they are taking on. that cost a lot of money and They they can't just lollygag around. They've got a go forward and get this thing done or they can't rent up if those units aren't starting to be renovated. In the hotel area? They're not gonna rent 'em. Because nobody's want to stay in them because they're outdated. So you know good and will it's their purpose also to make that look as great as it can. and they've already
started some of those issues but you'll see more once they get through the system and and get started. But I I certainly believe Mass has the foresight to realize that if they don't do what's right about this project, they won't go anywhere with it in the future and they won't be able to make the money they could make if they do it the right way. And I think they're gonna do that the right way for the citizens that live in Saddlebrook.
Mr. I have a question.
Mr.
Sharkin.
Um well I I have a couple of questions on and uh you know, we haven't let Barbara do her rebuttal, but I don't know if she needs to. What?
Staff first. Staff first.
Well I don't know if I want to hear it. I think I've heard enough.
I think we're good. But I do have two questions. My contacts have totally given out so I can't even see anybody out there. Um Uh okay, doesn't mast um units too?
Seventy
five. Okay. And I think they're been buying, you know, there are they've been buying some. So they you know they want they want to fill their units. Yeah. So they got, you know, they want to make money on their units. But I did hear Jane say landscaping And parks. I I got comfortable with the trails, but I didn't I just wondering what wonder what was she speaking about about the landscaping coverage? Um also the um I
I did have a question on that lot coverage and uh that she showed that Matrix but That was gonna be one of the items under my commissioner items that I want to talk about, but I'm not gonna do it today. Um but can you talk to me about the landscaping and is there a um are you asking for relief from the county park ordinance here? Because I did I did not see something in the park.
So regarding neighborhood parks, the condition that was that Ms. Graham read to you is the condition that says we have to comply with the ordinance unless we seek any alternative standards. We do alternative standards under the park Clubhouses don't meet, aren't allowed to meet parking departments. I'm just saying neighborhood parks ordinance. I'm saying we have to comply through neighborhood parks ordinance. We can we Ms. Graham is right that we're not going to be able to Department projects do seek alternative standards to your neighborhood park ordinance because your neighborhood park ordinance, as I wrote it, It's wrong. because
you have the same requirement for apartments. Let's say you have whatever acres, you I'm just an average project, fifteen acres of for our apartment project, 300 units, you have to have three acres. So what percentage of that is of your land? We wrote the we wrote the neighborhood parks ordinance wrong. The same amount of land that you need for single family homes, if you have three hundred single family homes, you have to have three acres. Well the acreage for single family home development is much larger, so the percentage is a lot less. So it's not written right, but
what we've done is staff works on alternative standards. They're very proactive on it. They want to see quality. But we're not seeking in connection with the zoning any variation from the neighborhood parks ordinance. It'll be addressed with the the plans. We have mudroom requirements on top of that, so we have a lot of those things to go through. With regard to landscaping, we have provided the enhanced landscaping on Saddlebrook Way way beyond what the code requires. Um yes you heard that commercial could go there today. Um that's true. We could do
a strip plaza and out parcel. I never say this because that sounds like a threat or something we could do, but we could do a basic strip out there with out parcels and then we could have Senate w 102 housing out there. So So i but again, I always sound like a threat, so I don't even want to say that, but I I didn't bring it up. Um it was brought up by Ms. Graham, so I wanted to respond to it. This project doesn't allow us to do those things anymore. It doesn't allow for Senate Bill one oh two um housing, it doesn't allow for anything strip, it allows
for a very nice, high quality village center and doesn't just allow for it, it requires it. But
then won't pay. Landscaping in the parking lot. I mean you're following all the rules. That's correct. And that's correct. You know, this is a you know hope hopefully back to a five-star resort. I would imagine you're gonna have five star landscaping packages.
Yeah, you've seen the renderings which are rendered for this project, not just something we took off the internet. Um it's their front door too. So
okay, on the parking, are you at 2.2? And is that because you have retail and commercial? Down there besides the unit?
So 2.25 is your code requirement. Um that's your code. We vary that.
Do alternative standards for most all excuse me, not most most well I should say but there's a couple that have complied. Um for all of our apartment projects we do a lot less than that. Your code's actually in the process of being updated?
One point nine
and going it's going there's different ideas on how to get that parking right. So um we'll be subject to your code and and we don't want to overdo our parking either, so And m for the most like I say, your code today makes projects over park. Yes, I
agree. But
we would
uh not in residential but
in in
multi
I agreed with you. In multifamily apartments. Yeah makes you ever park.
Um and so I would I guess you would be accommodating golf cart parking um
yes which takes
place.
Remember we're putting that eight foot path in, you know, I heard the comment that um we're gonna the Vision Road's gonna push traffic where there's no sidewalk down in front of the golf academy, that's where the eight foot path is going. We're putting in that connectivity so that people can get back and forth from area one in golf carts, um where that doesn't exist today because there's no sidewalks. So I I did appreciate the comment, the questions, because I think questions are really good. I don't get a lot of questions. I get a lot of suggestions and a lot of opinions and a lot of I think's and
And can't really deal with all those things 'cause mass has to know, they can't think. But I did want to answer your questions about where the front gate is today and the fact that you have to stop and I've done that too 'cause I've come to your to your resort, um the fr the gate's being moved back, so the queuing will be increased. The golf tournaments and events, how to get out, that's always been a problem. It's 'cause you only have one way in, one way out. We with much expense, four or five million dollars expense are putting in a second access that you'll be able to that you as
a resident can get in and out of. But for event, people are events, they can get out. 'Cause you want 'em to come through the gate 'cause you want 'em to get their license plate and everything, but for people getting out, they can use it as second entrance. So I wanted to respond to your questions because they were good questions. Thank you.
I just wanted to say that, you know, i when you hear like little changes, just make a little change, those are these are big changes. And even I tried to buy, you know, I'm like, what about this and what about that? And they're like, explain to me, these are big changes, these are big things. But let me just tell you about something that means something to me. before they can have the first CO, which I agree is not moving people in, and if you want Aaron to talk about how you lease one of these projects, how you build one and how you lease them, because you don't just build a portion of a project, build the whole project. So it means that not only do they have to They can have a stop at three hundred and
one but they can't get finish that project until they finish everything else. So it's there's a there's a lot there. But Let's read what they actually have to do before that first CO in development area one or two. New driving lanes, three to four million dollars. Renovation of eighteen holes of golf course, six million dollars. Division Road, three to four million dollars. That's thirteen million dollars. before they can have the first CL. That's significant investment. Not only that, but they have to commence on all of these areas, which again Commencing
on all of it. You can't do it all at the same time. So you talk about phasing. The other thing, Commissioner Chairman,
Every resort owner, first of all, you're assuming people can't afford it, but n we haven't heard anybody say they couldn't afford it. Nobody's here today telling you they can't afford these renovations. Um But The way we structured the renovation plan language is that When you put the renovation plan out, you tell those owners, look, you have until a certain date to sign on so we can include you in our pool of units that are gonna be renovated, but they have to be phased. So I can't say that Unit one oh two.
perhaps could be the last phase of that pool and my client's got unit one oh three. Yeah 104. So it's complicated by the phasing, but we did want to make sure that we scooped everybody in. that wanted to get in and so as we phase by buildings, the people that want to get in will get in will get done. So I think it works its way out. Um we really were thoughtful about those things in that that were written in that condition about the renovation plan to make sure there was a lot of different practical commitments that made sure
that our resort owners were successful. Just like we're gonna be successful. I appreciate all the time you've all spent on this project. all your hours and uh we ask for your support. It's time for to to let um mast fly. Um we've worked so hard at putting everything together and it's it's time to let it fly. Let 'em do great things. Thank you.
One thing. Um we need to check. About thirty seconds after I told you there was no one on WebEx, I was informed that a Barry Sheen is on, but we have not heard anything, so I just need to call his name. Is that okay? Sure. So Barry Sheen, are you on WebEx for public comment?
I see him. Very muted.
Is this a three minute this is a three minute call? Are you there, Barry?
Okay, you have three minutes. So if you'll give your name and address and let us know if you've been sworn.
My name is Barry Shine. I have not been sworn.
Okay. Address. I cannot see him, but I guess if you raise your right hand, um, do you swear or affirm the testimony you are about to give is a true, so help you God.
Yes I do.
Can you y okay, thank you. Go ahead, Mr. Sheen.
And what about his address?
Could you give your address? Uh my address is [address removed].
Okay, thank you.
Due my involvement as Treasurer and a board member of the California.
I have been very involved with manhattan. Oh
Well. Okay. Who area requirements?
the seating as a fairly village home. Because I not only own the investment property in the Watson village, I also own a very lovely home with a cross forest furniture. My wish as a homeowner would be for Matt to keep the golf courses, fix all their deficiencies, and make no other change. But that's a dream. It's a dream I know I can't achieve.
And if they're close to the process from the beginning, I know this is not possible, and it's still in the best interest. the most very well-built homeowners to support the revised development plan. As one of those fairway owners and there are many of us who are very much in favor of any mass hoop ahead, I urge you to support it. And that's all I thank you.
Up there.
So we'll close public. Closed again. Okay.
Question If you don't mind, I'll just Barbara one more question.
Mm-hmm. If
you don't mind let me ask Barbara one more question.
One more question. And then we'll have my question.
So that's fine. Um and again, Barbara, I'm not trying to impede their redevelopment. And and the process they're gonna go through to take the Uh drive in arrangement have it built before they take the other one out before they start the apartments. I don't even care if they start on the other buildings over on the side road of Van Dyne, area two. So I don't want to slow you guys down as far as starting progress over there. Doesn't doesn't affect the resort. Doesn't matter to me. I know I'd run a see
them go. So I don't even care if there's any conditions to that, frankly. Um the access of I'm very happy we took care of that Friday. When I asked the question And again it's not meant to throw complications to the matters, but The way it's set, is there a way? to get all the owners that want to do to help them move along quicker, whatever the way that is. I just want to make sure that we don't limit it where it doesn't start for three years. I mean, I don't know what the plan how quick the plan is,
but if we can help it, I'd rather sit down with you guys to go work out a plan, to help expe uh to implement a a great permitting plan to speed up the process, to get the turnover, and let the people that have the money, that sign up quick, that want to go along with it, to help that get done quicker. It's important to them. The residents, and it's important to us. So I'm just trying to help with that mode. You've already got conditions in here. And I I re I firmly believe whether you say 350, 301 or one, there's something in
there. So there's conditions. But if there's a way we can help, and I don't even care if it's done right now, frankly, but I'd like to try to help to try to get it done so those renovations get done to help the resort thrive, to help Mass go b get better, help the people get better, and help our economy get better, every step of the way. So that's all I'm trying to accomplish at this moment for the people and for Mass.
that. It will be a big project. We know it's sometimes challenging with permitting and inspections and all those things. So we appreciate the offer to really If we wanna get past this point then we can roll up our sleeves and we appreciate that offer.
Okay.
Thank you.
Mr. Wilkinson. I move approval.
Second.
Any further discussion?
And that would be with the revised conditions that were submitted
by staff.
Commissioner Weightman. Thank you. Yeah, Mr. Pines was right that no walking in
Such a big big project coming in right out of the gate, but it's it's part of the job. But through this process I just, you know, wanna thank Mr and Ms. Barbetta, Mr. Pine, your family and um Mr Hogan appreciate y'all's time. We spent a number of hours together and uh very much enjoyed getting to know you guys. You know, Ms. Barbetta, your your advocacy is is fierce and Uh appreciate what you've done. and uh learn a little bit from you too sitting up here. So
I I I appreciate the time y'all put in and your passion for not just Saddlebok but for our whole community. You know, helps keep us in line and it feels good to know other people care as much as we do. So thank thank you all and then to Mass Capital uh
I guess welcome welcome to Pasco County.
You know, look, we're we're we're putting our name behind you, right? You're you've you've got something special. Mr. Dempsey chose y'all. Dempsey family's here. And uh we all have high expectations. I think that's you've heard us loud and clear. Don't let us down. Don't let the folks that live there down. I think you've seen You know, I'm kind of proud to be tip of the spear on boxing live local and what that means for multifamily, what it means for jobs and job creation and value of our community. So I don't move forward
in voting for multifamily projects lightly at all. Very deliberate. So uh you know let's get to work and and and build something great here and and and you know make the residents of South Book proud that y'all are there and you're their partner. Thank you, Mr. Chairman
Mariano.
Well um I I too wanna um thank Mass and the residents. It it was a long laborious um process but we got to the finish line and I and I uh I um you know I we had some dogged residents who worked hard for their community that got some very good concessions and you guys worked hard to get those and I appreciate Mast um worked With the residents. I can't remember how many meetings you guys said you had, but um
plenty.
A lot. And so um I'm really thankful that you stuck with it and you're here in the county. And you can see how much these residents that are here love their community and and want to protect it. And I have faith that that through this process and through your Commitment that it's gonna be the Saddlebrook that we used to have. And like I said, I was there Sunday. Um my grandkids are guest playing in the uh big hockey tournament that's occurring this week.
They're in from uh the the West Coast, and um you know I I love Saddlebrook, but I can see that it needs a lift, and um I'm looking forward. to it and I I know the rest of us are. I used to go to Dempsey's for anniversaries. That was like the place to go in Pasco County for for an anniversary dinner, right? So um welcome to Pasco residents. We we will make sure that uh that they follow through and um I'm
just glad we're at the end of the meeting. We're not at we are not done. We have to stay and continue our meeting. I'm done.
Yeah, for thirty seconds.
I got nine
pies waiting for me. I think
we're sitting down so we'll be done. We'll we we might beat you guys out the door. Uh I'd like to say that uh you know for the residents uh Your arguments, your your concerns, and everything else, um you you represented yourself tremendously well. Um Uh Mast, I disagree with you a lot.
We know.
Uh but but you know what? We had these dialogue and for where we are right now compared to where before it is so much better. Um I I want to say with the land use I'm comfortable with that vote. I'm good with that vote, but I'm gonna support you in this one um because I I still believe that we can do even more good things down the road. And I wanna help you. With permitting, with everything else, with the development, because I want you guys to succeed. These people have invested,
but it's not just their money. It's their hearts, their souls, their families, etc. So I want to see you get better. Is it the way I thought it should go? No. But that doesn't matter. Right now we've got what's in front of us now. Uh we're going forward with it. I want you guys to thrive and I want to help you every step of the way. And as a united board I want you to know that tourism is very important, you guys are very important, that people are very important. So we want to make this thing go as strong as we can. So as much as it's been a battle. A long one, ruling, uh at least we're here. And Commissioner
Oakley, go ahead.
I think I said it when I gave my motion, but I uh I really believe in the project. I believe Mass will will do what they say they're gonna do. I think it'll be great for the citizens. I can't hardly wa I'm kinda excited about it. I'm I'm waiting to go out and have a steak dinner like I used to have in a steak restaurant. I don't know if it'll be called Dempsey's, but whatever it's called, I'll be out there to eat. So but they've they've have a tradition in the past that will carry forward with masks doing what they're supposed to do and
and the residents uh uh you're gonna have a beautiful pla you have a beautiful place as it is, but it's gonna get uh doctored up a little bit with uh some newness in the modern day. So I certainly look forward to that and I I agree and That's I I'll be out there standing by you looking at what you're doing. So uh with that uh I just got the question. Did you did you make the motion? Yes, I said. I've already made the motion.
District one, Commissioner Oakley. Aye. District two, Commissioner Weightman. Aye. District three, Commissioner Starkey. Aye. District four, Commissioner Bradford. Aye. District 5, Chairman Mariano.
Aye. Motion passed the 5-0.
Okay.
People, gentlemen, good luck.
Should be bangs. Well I'm going to Niagara Falls. I'm serious, I'm going to go.
Yeah, we're acting on
it. Yeah.
I will
minus my commissioner items. Um I gotta get those parts.
Uh committee reports are over. Um I will just say hey Chair Mike Carbella got one thing? Hey Chairman.
You sure you don't want to retalk about that one hour? We got three of us here.
No, that's okay, right. That one hour difference. Well you got the one
hour move moving time up one hour.
I just need three.
No, 'cause we'd still be here. No, we're gonna fix this.
Go ahead.