P-6/AP-9 Wildcat Bayles MPUD and development agreement
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Mr. Chair, we're gonna move on to item P six, which is gonna be heard together with AP9, and uh if you have a covey we'll be presenting that to you.
Okay.
Good afternoon, Gavin Covey Planning and Development. Just while we're getting that set up.
So just so we're clear, Gavin, you're gonna pre go ahead and present so we're gonna open the public hearing for PC six and AP nine at the same time. Present both items.
Yeah, so I'll start off with uh P six and then do A P nine afterwards. So the M Q D first and then followed by the development agreement.
Okay, so to be clear that means the members of the public if you want to call after he's done the presentation, if you want to comment on PC six or AP nine, and we're gonna basically consolidate those two public hearing. We need to vote on them separately, but we'll take public comment on both. Okay.
All right. So this is P D D twenty four seven six zero seven, the Wildcat Bells uh C C M P And so this is a zoning amendment from ER, a state residential district, to a connected city master plan unit development district. to allow for twelve hundred and seventy five multifamily dwelling units, 155,000 square feet of retail, 150,000 square feet of office, 250,000 square feet of medical office, 365,000 square feet of hospital, and 250 hotel
rooms on approximately 176 acres. And this is located at the northeast corner of the intersection of McKendry Road and Overpass Road.
So this is the site location within the county. The location within Connected City.
And then here is a location map within the the special planning areas within Connecticut. It is in both the South Innovation Zone and a part of the Business Corps.
Here's an aerial.
Here's the zoning of the property.
Here's the future land use.
Here's a picture of the master plan. It is segregated into three separate parcels, the Wildcat parcel, the Bayes parcel, and then a flex parcel. And so the applicant is requesting three variations from the land development code. The first is from section 522.9.p.2. Uh this is a provision within specifically the the Connected City Land Development Code. And so within the Connecticut City Land Development Code of residential projects that are four or more stories shall provide a usable open space of not less than five
percent of the acreage of the parcel on which the building is situated, the applicant is requesting that the previous mentioned provision be applied to three-story residential projects projects instead of four. And then the next one is from section 805.6. This is to allow for parcels under single ownership to retain responsibility for the maintenance and upkeep of common areas. And the last is section 402.5.d. This section of the code requires there be a hundred foot distance between a school, place of worship, or park for the sale of alcohol.
And so here are the variation analysis. Um so Section 522.9.p.2 intends to provide flexibility for multifamily units by calculating park space based on the building footprint rather than the number of units. The developer will at minimum provide 5% of the acreage of the parcel as park space and program the park to accommodate social gatherings and passive open space. This is kind of a mirror of the normal parks variations. That is approved. Um, it's
just kind of included in Connected City. Instead of the four-story buildings, they want the three-story buildings basically. The next section 805.6, parcels under single ownership, such as the apartment complex, may act as a responsible entity for the maintenance and upkeep of common areas instead of a CDD or HOA. And section four two point five point D, M PUD is a mixed use development, walkable features and compact development. So they're gonna need some flexibilities in where they're allowed to sell alcohol. This doesn't
prohibit them from they still need to provide the uh administrative use permit for four oh two point five point D. And this is coming with a recommendation of approval with conditions. Okay, thank you. Would would you like me to go directly into the development agreement? Yeah. Okay.
Alright, so this is PE D twenty four zero zero eighteen, the Wildcat Bayels Development Agreement. Surprise, it's the same location map and the location in Connecticut City. And then here's just a brief overview of the Connecticut City Master Railway Plan. Uh it is that see if I can also work. That southern portion near 75, that is the road that is going to be built. It is Boyette on the Mass Railway Plan, but it is McKendry existing.
And so this uh development agreement uh is to set forth the terms and conditions for the developer to design, permit, and construct certain roadway improvements including floodplain compensation, wet wetland mitigation, drainage retention associated with the McKendry Boyette Road segment. So here's the proposed typical. Um this is 150 BB in the Connected City uh master railway plan. Um This is not the final typical for the entire district, but this is what the developer is responsible to
build. Um here's the final roadway typical. This is what they're providing uh wetland mitigation, floodplain mitigation for. They're providing the um the mitigation for the final typical.
Uh so in exchange for designing, permitting, constructing the McKinley Road segment, the developer will be entitled to transportation development fee credits. These credits can be used against roadway, bicycle, and pedestrian portions of the Connecticut City mobility fees and surcharges, but not against the strategic intermodal system or transit portions of the fees. And they have to build out the required infrastructure for the service for a site acreage before any credits are issued from the county. And this also comes uh with a recommendation of approval.
All right. Thank you. Do you have any questions from here?
Alright.
Mr. Chairman, Clark Hobby, Hobby and Hobby PA one oh nine, North Brest Street, Tampa, Florida, I have been sworn. If we can get my uh PDF up, that would be great. S to P six. Um Mr. Chairman, uh Planning Commissioners, thank you for having me here today. Uh this is a unique MPUD that you have and and the a Wildcat Bayes project. It's a combination of two separate developments using the same MPUD
to help satisfy the infrastructure requirements for Connected City. as you all will require uh remember from other uh matters in connected city. In order to earn the development fee credits for the construction of the roadway structure that's contemplated by the Master Roadway Plan in Connected City, you have to do a service ready site. The site that we're dealing with is about, it's between three quarters of a
mile and one mile long. And We're the southern portion of the site as you can see on this map. I know the north is following along the interstate there and I can point to it in a minute. But the the objective here is we believe it's more important in this location to take advantage of having the non-residential uses right at the uh overpass and 75 location. And so way Before I got involved in this project, the
two developers decided with the county to work together to create one MPUD to help build the roads, deal with the new utility infrastructure that would be required, and to have one specific service-ready site acreage within the white the Wildcat site. Now, if we can go to my uh PDF, that would be great.
while they're doing that, the southerly portion of the site that's owned by Wildcat Groves, um if we can yeah, if we can scan down a bit or resize it. Okay. So you can see along 75, because this is now tilted north-south the way it normally is on a map. The southerly portion of the site is in the South Innovation Zone and is where the Wildcat Grove site is. That site has been designated as Employment Center for many years and is anticipated
to have some of the most important acreage in the site for employment generation, and is was designated with employment center so that it would have the most intense employment. employment generating opportunities and high density residential to go along with it so that people can live in proximity to the jobs are being created. After the party started working together on it, the original developer of the Wildcat Groves uh site, which was going to be ma mainly a retail site, fell out
of contract and that deal died and went away. And we're very lucky to say that my client came onto the scene who's a contract purchaser of the Wildcat Grove site and it's 110 acres. And I can't say the name today, but it's a very reputable specialty hospital that I believe will be a tremendous asset to our community in addition to being a great employer. And you'll probably be hearing in the days to come who it is and everybody else. I think we'll be very excited about the opportunity. As
you heard from staff, we have to build the new McKendry Road up to the site. It's highly likely that there will be one segment of it that will be four lanes starting at Overpass Road and it will transition down to two lanes along the north part of the site. The north part of the site, maybe we can go to the next slide now.
Uh you can go on one further 'cause that's master roadway plan. This is just giving you the what the area is designed to do in the connected city overlay. And as you see on here in the South Innovation Zone, you're supposed to have high density multifamily residential and it specifically calls out having healthcare, public services, and those kind of employment generating uses. And that's what we're bringing to the market today. We realize that that
is a transition from the very rural area that exists out that out there today, but I want to say for this project and the one you're going to hear next that it's important for the people who live in the area to understand That Pasco County was directed by the state of Florida to create this connected city area in 2015. and the county subsequently adopted policies in two thousand seventeen That Created this
series of regulation and the state felt it so important that they wanted the county to shorten or truncate the approval process to bring this kind of development to the market. They knew that the area between 52 and overpass, because at that point they knew the county had determined that the new Overpass Interchange was going to be built. And that we needed to do everything we could to take advantage of the employment opportunities and to try
to concentrate higher density housing in close proximity to those areas to serve it so that people aren't driving ten miles away to work in these locations. And that's evident when you look at the in in the enabling statute.
Might move on. I think I have one or two more slides. And we're gonna reserve the balance of our time. J jump one back if you would.
to give the Planning Commission a sense of how the Connected City plans were done. If you'll see that highlighted area, there's a financial plan, a master roadway plan, and other enabling documents that foresee the construction of and all of Connected City 26,000 multifamily units. Now at first glance that seems extremely troubling, but I want the Planning Commission to understand that when we say multifamily in
the connected city context, that does not mean apartments. That includes townhouses, duplex and a a variety of other attached housing. What the Connected City Plan was trying to do in these areas was avoid a mass of single family detached housing because again we're trying to get the employees in close proximity to the employment. That's the whole plan, that's what it's based around. And on this site, that's what the Employment Center concept for Wildcat
Grows was based on. Next slide will show you if we can go to that that you saw last month and uh the board has now transmitted a comp plan amendment To get rid of sub-area policies that previously covered the Wildcat Grows property. And the reason why they're doing that is. those policies would have limited the amount of employment on the Wildcat site. And we don't want to do that. We want to take advantage of it. We want this hospital, the medical office building,
uh and the limited other uses that are going to be on the site. That's what the county's priority is stated to have been for this site for quite some period of time and that's what we're trying to fulfill. Now, when you saw the master plan, you did see the Bayles site, which is part of the development. It's the northern 40 acres. And we do know we're in conversations with one of the neighbors in that area. And Christy Barrero with Height Design represents that property owner, and she
can answer questions that are specific to that site and the compatibility with the Neighbors going north. Our uses are primarily to the south of that on the Wildcat Grove site, and it's not anticipated at this time that the northern probably thousand feet of the Wildcat Groves will have any significant uses. It channels down to a very small area, and that's anticipated where the new McKindry Road is going to go. So with that, we'll reserve
the balance of our time. We're happy to answer any questions you may have. I know that we have some members of the public here and Christy and I and our teams. I have folks from Clearview Land Design uh working with me on Wildcat and Christy and her client are here on behalf of the Bayles folks. So I appreciate it. Okay. Any questions from the
guys? I do, Clark, and apologize because I didn't have the time to review this before we talked easily. So I notice that there is a discrepancy between the entitlements that were studied under the timing phasing and what's being asked for.
That's right. So yeah, let me explain that. So when the hospital user emerged, we the the MPUD was almost to the point of coming to the Planning Commission about a year ago, and we are on a bit of a timeline to perform for the hospital. So what we've asked staff to do, there was already a land use equivalency matrix, and we've asked staff to allow us to use the old entitlements to convert them into the new entitlements, which are different than the original entitlements
up in the section on the transportation to make the hospital work. I would tell you, even in in that scenario, when you see what's on the hospital entitlements, right now it shows 725 multifamily units. I think it's highly, highly unlikely that we would ever have anything like that and the multifamily that we would have is more likely to be An attached tower that families might stay in when they have people in the hospital. And we
will probably end up converting a significant amount of those type of entitlements to more medical office, office, and hospital use over time. But we're going to probably have to do a new timing and phasing assessment after the MPUD is approved to make the match.
Okay. Yeah, I'm just speculating a lot of the comments we're gonna hear are related to traffic, so I want to get in front of that issue for you.
Sure. And and and we expect it, but this again, the one thing I would say to our neighbors is there is a plan that the county adopted, a master roadway plan for all of Connected City, and we are implementing that plan and it was studied at great length. to distribute the trips that these projects are going to create. And we're going to if we have to build, because of the trips we create, if we have to build a four-lane road all the way to our northern property boundary for our trips and to work with the system, that's what we're going to
build and that's what the plan foresees.
Clark, next question. Yeah, of course. So Clark, what going back to the comment you just made, for parcel B of Wildcat, which is your northernmost piece, it's a fairly narrow piece of property. Pi do you have any has your client had any thoughts about what they're gonna use that for?
It's I it's highly speculative right now, but there's once the road gets built, David, and the amount of right-of-way that's required, there's not a lot of land left on that parcel as a standalone parcel to do anything. Uh there's just not. I wanna say the whole area is I wanna say three fifty or four hundred feet wide and the right-of-way is I believe a hundred and fifty.
Site plan. Yeah, if we can get the master, everybody can see it.
Thank you.
Assuming it's flipping over to the staff.
In the meantime, does anybody else have a comment, a question?
Yeah, I had one quick question on the hospitals.
Uh you have Advent Hospital, which is deep in Wesley Chapel, then you have Bay Hill, which I Bay
Care Bay
Care Street Hospital. Hospitals and then you have the third one coming over there with this being built on the land. Will there and you indicated your hospital is going
to
be a specialty one, you didn't quite clarify that. So my concern would be will there be an overabundance of hospital beds? Because I know the Bay Care one is struggling at this if a
It's a good question. Uh if I again I wish I could say
That's there's there's only one such facility that I'm aware of in Central Florida.
Okay.
Um anyway, hopefully this pointer will work now. Here we go. Okay. So you're what you're talking about is this area up in here, which is partial B. And we don't have a a final plan for that, David, but I, you know, as I've told the neighbors who I've spoken to and staff, our primary objective on behalf of the hospital is the creation of a large building pad in this area so that we can build a hospital and a significant amount of medical
office building. I I don't there's it's very speculative that the hospital would build something up in that area and it's somewhat also dependent on what the roadway design is. As an example, within the last week or so the the new um county engineer, Nick, has indicated that he might want us not to use the originally foreseen right of way for McKendry. uh when we bring it to our northern boundary.
So instead of maybe bringing it here We might bring it over just to the right to the point where the old McKendry is. and that's something that the county will have to weigh in later, but if it does end up, you know, curving over You can't just draw a straight line or a more diagonal line the way this one is when you have an arterial roadway, which is what McKendry is. And if we were forced to smooth that out, it would take up a significant amount of that entire partial. There may only be three, four acres of
land there.
Yeah, I mean I was mostly asking for because of Bayles' access. It wasn't clear whether they were planning to access How existing the little piece that's gonna connect existing
McKendry or We're working with them this so that if if the new McKendry doesn't directly abut their site, that there would be an easement to get to the new McKendry. But you know, again, that will have to be worked out during the design with the county about where is the road gonna go left or right, and if it goes right, what's the curvature of the roadway and we'll have to figure out how the connections would work so it creates a safe environment at the time.
Okay. So realistically that land is gonna be either roadway or maybe drainage or something related to the
roadway. It's we're likely to be we are I I can tell you again, we can't make a hard commitment today, but from the hospital's perspective we are not s spending a a great deal of our time contemplating uses in that area. We don't think it's big enough and we're focusing on trying to c create a large pad down in the red area. That's where our uses are gonna go.
All right.
Okay, thank
you. Thank you very much. All right. Who would like to come up first?
Mr. Chair, do you want me to go down the list?
Yeah,
before before we hear from the public, since there's actually two developers, does Christy, did you want to say anything as the applicant? Coconut.
No takers. Hmm. No comments.
So this was on regular was there on the S.
Yeah, so I have a I have a few people that have signed up to speak. If you want to go down the list I can do that and then I have someone also on WebEx.
Okay.
So the first person who signed up to speak is Jim Marineri.
There you go. Thought we lost you.
Good
afternoon.
Uh Jim Marineri, I live at [address removed], right? Smacking the dab of two of our items that we're talking about today. Uh my concern is that with the connected city, it was supposed to be an overarching kind of plan to tie in everything that was being built. Nobody that that lives out here uh under or below believes that there's no building that's ever gonna go on. And obviously with Epherson and and everything else that's that's
been built, uh it's come to fruition. However, the concern is is that each of these parcels are being considered and they kind of, you know, jived with the connected city Plan. But they don't. And then they come and they they make adjustments and amendments and requests and variances. And in the end, what happens
is You've got unfulfilled potential or promises that were made in in conjunction with this. Uh one of the main concerns is the the transportation plan, the walkability, the bikeability, uh the alternative transportation methods. Everybody's got a you know, oh this is what we're gonna do and it doesn't get done. For instance, uh on another agenda item they're saying, Well we can't connect. It's just the way it is or
they're requesting not to. In this particular one, and respectfully I I r uh suggest that that parcel B that we're talking about that they dedicated as a memorial to her quality of life. And they can we can go over there and say, okay, this is what you know we used to have is a little bit of open space. My development is Lakeside Estates. We are smack dab in the middle of two of these
portions that are being developed and they're very intense. Uh the the chart that was shown uh concerning the the the requirement or not the requirements
Yeah.
One minute. Uh not the requirements, but the potential and permitted uses. Those are at your discretion for rezoning. These are suggestions and options that can be done. The urban core is to the north of this parcel that we're speaking about right now. That is where the bulk of the density population was supposed to go in this plan. alongside and to the north, some of which is already being developed,
is the economic portion of the Connected City plan. This here is uh the density, the intensiveness of the use considering that none of the roads have been built. None. is uh and and they're talking about stopping at the end of their property. Well how do you connect to the north with the roads being stopped right there? So what we're suggesting is it's going to be built, let's do the infrastructure
and go on.
Okay, thank you.
Next person signed up to speak is Jane Graham.
Good afternoon, Planning Commission. My name is Jane Graham. I'm an attorney and I represent Tanya Riddlesworth and Patrick Gantt. I believe that my client is on the line as well, and if possible, would like to speak right after me. Um and we did request extra time, but I understand that was denied. Um my client lives at [address removed], which is the parcel that is directly north to the I have this printed out, unfortunately I don't have it on the screen. This is a five acre parcel.
You have something that you can put up there so everybody can see.
Thank you.
Right, so so my uh my client's problem is that one and actually what would probably be better is to show the larger scheme of things where it is. As you as you can see All of uh a number of these parcels are larger parcels and the zoning um that my prop my client's property is on is AR, which has you know it's a minimum of one acre,
and this is currently zoned as a state residential, which is also minimum lot one acre. Now here's the thing. I know that this is a connected city, it is within In this designated situation. And what comes to mind for my client is something that actually Commissioner Weightman says often, which is, We know that development is coming, but it's a question of how what what is the timing and how are we protecting our rural neighborhoods through the process. My client has um
had some conversations with the developer. of Bales. We actually had a good conversation this morning with Mr. Harp Hobby and um some of the other consultants. But there are a lot of unanswered questions, particularly about things like What is the actual layout of the 550 multifamily homes on the on on parcel B, which is the Bayes parcel? And you know, in s if for example there was a park or some kind of
other kind of buffer or stormwater that was, you know, by my client's property, that would be very different than if they were going to say, Oh, we're going
mult um apartments like you know ten feet away. And so these are these are questions that are unanswered and and we know you do have conditions of approval that are attached to this, but we think that there's some work that needs to be done. I mean, you know, my client wants to be constructive. We want to see, you know, as far as the buffer now there was some discussion of offense, but that's not going to be enough to really protect um my client from the overall compatibility. Um we we urge you to give um
a little uh a deferral so that we can continue these discussions and make this the best type of of property. Um as far as a wildcat pr um project and property my client has no problem and I think you know she and her neighbors in general are excited. about being part of this connected city. Um, you know, it's innovation, sustainability, economic development. These are all good things and they want to be part of this, but it's a question of timing and how and when and and how this
is done in a way that protects their property rights. There's also a question of the dirt road of McKendry, um, which is right by my client's property and access. If you look under 522 for the CCMPUD requirements, they do have issues of connectivity and saying that vehicular connectivity should be provided in a cohesive roadway system for both the neighborhoods within and non-residential areas. And that's something which we don't have that as a clearer question. So
we respectfully request that you defer this and that we can have further conversations. Mm-hmm.
Okay.
And my my client is off.
So do you have any I guess you're proposing a continuance because you don't have any recommended additional conditions to address your concerns?
Well we're we're recommending a continuance because the information isn't here as far as a um a a general uh a preliminary site plan or anything to know what is going to be built along my client's the buffer. And I think that's where if we were able to have further conversation.
This is hard to
evaluate is I it's unclear because you talk about a lack of interconnectivity but then you also talk about you want a buffer. I'm not sure what you're really asking for.
I don't know if
the Planning Commission even knows what you're really asking for, but I clearly don't 'cause If you if you want interconnectivity between your parcel and their parcel, that's sort of inconsistent with having a buffer between the two of them.
Well actually, um, Mr. Goldstein, it's the interconnectivity goes with the vehicular interconnectivity, and the reason why I raised that issue is about the issue of McKendry Road and that currently it's still a dirt road. And so, you know, as far as having interconnectivity of vehicles, it's uh you should look into the infrastructure of what it whether it can be currently supported. And I mean as an MPUD that is something that needs to be evaluated. As far as the buffers, that is something that is
more of a pure planning discussion of saying you know, how far are the town homes going to actually be from my client's property? Or is there going to be a park? Is there going to be um some kind of stormwater treatment area. Um these are the types of things that we don't have the answers to and I think if we were able to have further conversations we hopefully would come to a solution and and be able to, you know, march forward with this.
It's not difficult to envision apartments and town homes. So What is it that you think would make your client happy? Are we talking about a ten foot buffer, a fifteen foot buffer, a thousand foot buffer? What is it they want?
Well I think that's something that I you know we'd need to discuss further um as far as the the buffer and not just the buffer but the transition of you know they they talk about five hundred fifty multifamilies and they haven't specified of that number how many are apartments, how many of them are townhomes. And that could be a significant question too, because you could have a line of townhomes versus uh um an apartment building right by my clients. And so that's where that that would be.
How is your client affected? By whether or not it's an apartment or a town home.
Yeah.
There's a building along if there's a building along your client's property line, what difference does it make whether it's a town home or an apartment? I'm not saying that maybe there ought not to be buffering, but I'm trying to understand what type of buffer is it that you're looking for.
Well I I I think it goes and my client who is you know she'll speak she could speak more to this, but you know, as far as the character of her property, it's used as a single family home and a farm. I mean she has chickens on the property, she's you know, it it's a lot of open space and so it would make a large difference for her as far as her view. Right now she looks outside and she sees green space and as a property owner she enjoys that view and um being able to use it as as an agricultural use. And
so the question is, you know, if you were able to have some kind of park or something that would not harm that type of use or or even if she decided to do some kind of more intensive agricultural use on her property, which she might. Um, she would want to make sure she would be able to continue to do that.
Well there's nothing we're not taking her rights away if this is approved. She s would still have the right to do that. And I can relate to that. I have chickens too.
Yeah. I mean it it goes to the overall compatibility though as well. Just you know, if if there's if there's a difference between uh you know, like a one story townhome or two story townhome and if it's a four story uh apartment right on top of her, I mean that goes to the view, that goes to the character. I mean all of that is relevant.
So David on on this conditional eleven, is that specific to This transition or this property boundary? I I agree.
Um
Type two landscape buffer, including a
six-foot eye decorative measure of a wall.
So my my comment on that is that there apparently has been So
yeah, I mean I that's that's sort of a unique condition, so it does imply that
Somebody was attempting to accommodate additional buffering on the north side. So yes, I do think it applies to this parcel. I I don't know, Miss Graham, have you reviewed conditional eleven?
Yes, I have and my client it's it's still not uh enough for her. I mean I think one thing is the fence.
So what so what what isn't enough? That's that's the question. So this says it's gonna have a six-foot-high decorative masonry wall. We're not talking about a fence. And it's gonna have a type two buffer which is Defined in the code. So what is it? What is it that is as otherwise objectionable?
I think on top of the the six foot she had requested eight foot. So I mean that's one thing. Okay, so that's thank you. So that's so that was eight foot. But it does go, I mean, her concern really is of um what is going to be it's not just you know the buffer, the you know, the open space, the green space, but no. Knowing what is going to be on the other side of it. Is it going to be a high apartment? It's you know, and it goes to her view, and that's that's and her overall character and enjoyment. So it's you
know, I I I we do acknowledge that there had been some conversations ongoing. I mean, I think what she would tell you, and I'd I would like you to hear from her because she has been working on this for much longer um when she had heard about it. Um But she I it's the the number of units even, the the the density, the fact that it's this is, you know, right on top of her property. And I think if there's just something in
the overall configuration that might be able to be tweaked or changed, that's something that she would be more comfortable with. But I I do defer to her. I mean I know you do have her on and and I I'd love for her to be able to respond to that as well.
So can we go back to McKindrew? I'm not sure what you're asking for. They are showing a connection to existing McInjury. Are you suggesting they Pave north of their that connection? I'm not sure what you're asking for.
Right. So I think what what the ask is it's more of an observation as far as for MPU uh an MPUD of what kind of existing infrastructure there is that is an unpaved road right now and we understand that there
is
going to be another um large industrial. Complex just down the road, but my client has a concern that you know this will be paved south of her and then there's going to be this patch of unpaved road and then there may be some traffic going between the two and and it's a question of timing of when is that going to be developed and and how is that going to How do you think that's the
right-of-existing McKindry as you see from the connected city plan is not the future because of the way existing McKinley has like a ninety degree curve, it's not the future Extension of McKinjury won't follow existing McKindry. It'll it's gonna go straight north. It's not gonna go so any pavement of that road would effectively be a throwaway improvement. There would be th that's not gonna be the permanent road. So that's
why I'm not asking what I'm not sure what you're asking.
Well I think that I mean that's something that again we think that being able to speak with the developer for a little bit more time to really clarify. Um what Mr. Hobby had said today, he did mention that McKindry would be moved a little bit, um, which may actually impact my client's property and and we would just want further clarity on that.
Well I guess uh the reason I'm confused is Your client will be getting a brand new paved road down to a new interchange. And you're complaining that it won't be paved north of her property? Is that the complaint?
The complaint is that there will be people that are in this new development that are going to go north to the the new development up um north of her and that because it's not paved uh there's a concern about the timing of it and that there could be traffic or access issues for her. Well
when that development happens north, they're gonna have to make that connection south. You know, i i if you if you develop a really high density area to the north of that property, they're gonna have to connect to the south.
I mean I think that the
question is a counter argument which is that if you leave it dirt, less people are likely to use it. I mean if you leave it as a dirt road and most of the traffic if they were gonna you go north would either take curly Or the interstate. I don't know why they w until the new McKindry gets built. I'm not sure why anybody would travel on this windy dirt road.
to get north. I mean there may be a few cars. I'm just don't know it seems unrealistic to me.
Well I I would defer to my client. I know that she's on the phone and she would be able to answer more of her concerns as far as that and why um it's the interconnection and the timing that that is the concern and the question.
Okay.
All right. Mr. Chair,
do you want to hear from Ms. Riddlesworth who's on WebEx? That's her client.
Uh yes, I we're gonna hear from her her. Okay.
We'll promote her.
Ms. Riddlesworth, would you please state your name and address for the record and whether you've been sworn?
Sorry, can you repeat that?
Um we need your name and address for the record and whether you've been sworn.
My name is Tanya Riddlesworth and I live at [address removed] and yes, I've been sworn.
Thank you.
Good afternoon. As we've said, I live in the parcel directly adjacent to the Bayles property on the north side with my husband and my two young kids. I'll start by saying the Connected City could be a great concept. And if the goal is to improve the quality of life for current and future residents, as it says in the Connected City plans, then we must build it mindfully while mitigating the effects to current residents so that we can set a good example for future connected cities. As a longtime resident of Wesley Chapel, I'm deeply
troubled by the unanswered questions with this proposed rezoning for the following reasons. Number one, the proposed plan does not include sufficient road modifications, as we've been talking about, to two major roads, McKendry Road and Elam Road. County Yes You know is a quiet dirt road. However, on the north end will be this new major industrial site with two and a half million square feet of development and a hundred acres of mixed use development. And then this chales property and wildcat property
will be just mere two miles south of that on the other end of McKenry. The proposed rezoning plans to leave this middle section a dirt road. In D. Even though this would be a major thoroughfare between two massive developments. As per Elam Road, the portion of Elam from Curley to Kenton is already in the process of being widened. The proposed plans um leave Elam unchanged from Kenton to Boyette, but this portion of Elam contains a dangerous S curve. Even
though the speed limit is reduced to 10 miles per hour at this S curve and we have very little traffic up to now, there are still multiple accidents here every year. Number two, our schools are already over capacity and this development could put one of the schools at up to a hundred and sixty six percent of capacity. Personal rank needed to open next year is K through eight with about a hundred or with about a thousand students capacity at first. But since this is a magnet school, you'll know that those students
could come from any district, not just ours. Number three, the proposed multifamily homes are inconsistent with this rural farm area, which we've already mentioned. I'm also worried about the higher crime rate associated with multifamily neighborhoods.
Before I'm very concerned about the incr impact to the surrounding rural homes due to the proposed hilipad. And we have a lot of unanswered questions as to if this is gonna affect our typical uses such as clay shooting and flying drones. I'm also disappointed in the waiver of the neighborhood parks and decreased parking spaces. I thought that the connected city was to create communities that support a healthy lifestyle and create social gathering spaces, but this seems to go directly against those ideas.
I urge you to please halt this proposed rezoning so that we can further discuss this with the developers and come up with a better plan that suits the connected city and the current residents.
Um no, but I just want to speak to some of the questions that you guys were asking about the dirt road, if I could.
Yeah, that'd be fine. Go ahead.
So uh the dirt road, yes, um great. You're paving up to my house. Um that doesn't change the fact that there's gonna be tons of cars now on this dirt road. And might I point out that that new Nest Academy, when school gets let out and starts, so right when school gets let out, right when the school starts, there's a line of traffic of people going the dirt road route, not going around it. as you think like, oh, why would anybody take that road? No, they don't. Um at least 75% of the people that attend
Nest Academy take our road. And we've seen at least triple the traffic since then. You can see, like I said, when the school gets let out, lines of cars. Okay, so no, people are not going to go the other way. Uh we're on a dirt road, um, and it's there could be more accidents. Um I've got kids that ride their bikes down this dirt road. Um so no it we requestfully asked for the roads to be addressed. before building this development. What if
you build a development and then there's a market crash and the road never gets done and we have um major connected developments on a dirt road?
Okay, you made that point. Let's go to the anything else that you want to do. Mention.
Um well the schools. The schools are over capacity. Uh you know, we've got the school study that shows uh one of the schools gonna be up to a hundred and sixty-six percent of capacity. So I do know that um the Bay's parcel is in the business core district, um, which yes is high density, but it also allows for technical schools, daycares, maybe even a library, which we don't have one nearby. So you know, we also have the issue of of really no parks. You know, there
was supposed to be like major gathering spaces in connected city, but we're running out of land to build on. So where are those parks?
Okay, we have someone here we have someone here on the board that's on uh expert on the school system so he can speak to that. Uh what do you have any other points you want to make?
Um not at this time, no.
Okay. Did you want to more about the the buffering uh that you were just mentioned to
So with the buffering, uh yeah Said, you know, we don't know what it's gonna look like. We've seen a plan where um it's a line of what looks like apartments down my thirteen hundred foot of property line. Um you know, this this type of uh the high density as we've mentioned also includes duplexes, townhomes, or apartments. So we would also respectfully ask that it's duplexes, one story duplexes, so it doesn't affect the view, but then I won't need a a tall wall to
to block the view and still feel like I have my rural lifestyle that I moved here for. Um so yeah, I think duplexes are are not unheard of it still goes to the multifamily um use and um I think is a little bit more suitable for this rural area.
Okay. Talk to the uh applicant when he comes back up about that.
Anything else? If not, I think you're giving you your time. So if there's no questions from the dice Okay, who's next? Denise.
Next person is Annabelle Ryler or Riley.
Mm-hmm. Yeah.
No fine. I'll explain. It's not easy anyway, but it's a good thing.
Hello, Penny Commissioner. My name is Annabelle Rice. I live at [address removed], right across the lake from um the Bayes Wildcat Development. So I just wanna say I'm excited to live in the connected city. I am for growth, it's part of Florida. But um the and I understand that the uh connecticity planning uh process is supposed
to be expedited. Uh but the development seems a little bit excessive to Pasco County residents uh right now. including myself. Um as it does impact our lives. Our schools are overcrowded, our buses are late, our summer camps are full within thirty seconds of registration time. Um so I have heard and maybe you can uh talk to us about this that the fire department and the sheriff's office are running an under capacity
in Pasco. So the information on the planning I find is lacking uh as uh affected residents who are not communicating clear plans on or l for the layouts of the development for the residential side. on the hospital side and the impact it will have on the affected communities. So personally I request a continuance so proper outreach to the community, the Sheriff Office,
the Fire Department be completed prior to approval. to talk about the impact uh and the funding and to promote to promote a safe environment for our citizens. Thank you for listening to us today.
Thank you.
Next is Bradley Riles.
Good afternoon. Uh I'm Brad Riles. I live in Lakeside Estates. Uh Across the lake. Okay. What's your
address uh address, Brad? I'm sorry? What's your address? Uh
[address removed].
Okay, and you've been sworn?
What's that?
You've been sworn.
Yes, sir.
Okay, great.
That's my wife that just spoke there.
Okay. Um
So We purchased uh our property on Lake Holden, which uh they call it a lake, is it's more of a large pond. It's not a big lake. Everyone's talking about it like it's a big lake, but it's really a small lake. With the understanding that the lake was a private lake with deed it access. Uh the Master Plan Unit Development Submission does not include or preclude docks, boat ramps, or other means of access. Uh
what is the plan for lake access? Uh I don't see that that's specified in any of the plans.
Okay.
Currently all of the properties connected to the lake Um belong to responsible homeowners. who have left their waterfront areas in a mostly natural state. With respect to what the Southwest Florida Water Management District refers to as a ring of responsibility of vegetation along the canal banks and lake banks. Uh this is to keep the lake clean. Uh wetlands have been left undisturbed. Uh
game fish. By I know I sound like a tree hugger right now, but Just so you know, I I am a remember a member of the Pasco County Republican Committee, and I'm a redneck, and we love nature too.
Okay.
Just want to make that clear.
All right. So
uh
Write that down, somebody.
I think it already is. But uh the lake's been Th those of us that live on the lake, we've been very responsible with it. And we have a strict catch and release policy, just an honor system amongst all the neighbors. Uh when we see trash in the lake, we pick it up and we carry it out ourselves. And it's just a been a matter of respect for each other and for the nature that we live on. Um Boy, I'm running out of time here. Um So
I want to know what safeguards are going to be put in place to protect the lake. uh not just protect the lake water wise or whatever, but also from having too much access. I I'm willing to share, but like I said, it's a small lake. And uh it's not gonna make a good ski lake, even though I'm sure some people will try to treat it that way. But uh I also want to know what the plan is because I haven't seen any plans on the stormwater flow into the lake, how to be clean. I
don't want our lake to turn into a big retention pond. That means a lot to us. Currently the lake has a healthy diversion, uh diversity of Of wildlife. uh fish, turtles, alligators, as well as river otters, which are protected, The lake also supports a healthy population of waiting birds, kingfishers, osprey, and hinga year-round, and is a rookery for a lot of nesting birds and a multitude of migratory birds including ducks, swallow-tailed
kites, and red-winged blackbirds, just to name a few. Which I can and so can my son. Uh where can I find the environmental study that was mentioned in the Wildcat Initiative? Because I haven't seen that yet either. So uh That's it. Thank you for your time. Sir, can I ask you a question? One last thing. You're our neighbors, you here, and all the people most of the people back here are my neighbors. Right. And I've heard a lot of the word our neighbors, respect for our neighbors being thrown around
by people that are not. Our neighbors. Never have been, never will be. And we all need to keep that in mind as we go through this process.
Sir the MPD shows connection connections a d I think it's two different lakes or At least on the aerial it appears to be two different lakes. Uh
Lake Holden is a small one to the north.
Okay, so when you're talking about concern for the lake, you're talking about the northern one. Yes, sir. Not the southern one.
Yes,
correctly.
Pardon me?
I I think that's Lake Holden. I just found out the name of it myself. I always call it our lake. Well,
I don't there I don't have any lake names on my graphic here. I'm I'm asking Can you put it up on the screen? There's two lakes sh that are ne th this MPD abuts two different lakes and I'm not sure which one is
two lakes in there. Well maybe it's one lake, but there it's all grown in between them so it looks appears as it's two lakes.
So is this all one lake or is it two?
That's a good question. I understood at one time it was connected and then I
see.
Yeah it's
exactly so so are you concerned about both of those lakes? Or just the northern one?
And the uh
Okay, so the Wildcat MP M P D is just east of the interstate, just north of Overpass Road. It's
the one if you look here, the the little lake right there, it's the one above that.
That's the lake you're talking about.
Yes sir, I'm sure the people on this photo won't feel the same.
Okay. I wanna know which one you're talking about, but you so you for you it's the northern one.
What's that?
For you it's the northern lake you're concerned about.
Well I'm concerned about both, but yeah, I th I'm more concerned about the one that I have access to.
And just generally where is it that your property is in relation to the lake?
Uh what's that?
Where is your property in relation to a lake? East of it or
go up here, uh you see the little the little uh Z shape right there where the canals are? We own your cursor just a little bit. We own that whole peninsula right below your your cursor there. One half was my parents and the other half is ours and now we have them both.
Right. Yeah, it's w right where it says Paul Boline.
Yes sir. I mean yes sir. Okay. So yeah, but those are both on their houses, right?
And do people currently use any boats on this lake?
Uh myself and uh
uh the guy right here looking now below us, uh my neighbors up above us there, there's a couple people on the other side of the lake
running for fishing. And are these are these motorized? Or are they we all have small boats?
Sir would you would you Go back to the podium so she could the clerk could pick up your information.
Are these motorized boats?
Yeah, we all have small boats, typically John boats.
Okay.
Uh nothing major. I don't think anyone's got anything larger than a fifteen.
Do you have any idea, current estimate of how many people have motorized access to the lake currently?
Uh I would say maybe six homes total right now.
That's it. Okay. I don't see many docks there.
Some of us kayak. Yeah. So I know everybody that fishes out there 'cause we all try to hide our spots from each other.
Thank you. You've answered my question. Thank you. Yes sir.
Thank
you. Thank you very much for your time.
Mr. Chair, the la the next person and last person I have signed up for item P six is Tim Dolan.
All right, Damn Dolan.
Could you give us your name, Tim, and your address?
Certainly. Name is Tim Bolman. I live at [address removed] And you've been sworn. And I happen to move. Okay. Okay. So I'm gonna back up for a second real quick to something that you, Mr. Bray, said earlier. I think it was you regarding it's not our place to tell property holders what they can do. No,
I didn't say that.
Did you take something in that effect or it's not
our place? No, no, no,
no.
Totally mischaracterizing what I said. Okay. But that's okay. What what is what is your point?
Yeah, my point was that I think and and this is probably overreach, um, but at this point and I think Hillsborough County did this once before, I think it's time to put the brakes on the development so the infrastructure can catch up to what's going on around here. If you take a quick ride on the roads, um I've been here since the Connected City started and I've seen it morph in strange ways. It wasn't quite what's sold to us. When we went to the original meetings, it's changed a lot. I don't know how the developers manage that, but they do. Uh
for example, I think Curley was supposed to be a four-lane road, now it's two lanes. Tendle was supposed to be a four-lane road, it's two lanes. Um none of the uh traffic impediments that are on Curley seem to have been originally described with circles and lights, although I understand the need for them. My point is that um The infrastructure just needs to have a chance to catch up with all this building. And you know, I understand the Connected City mandate, but I think what it's kind of turned into is
uh from what my viewpoint is, which is right in the middle of it, I don't see much uh work or play. I see a vast urban sprawl and a sea of just uh you know high density gated developments which prison like walls around 'em. So I if that's the vision for a connected city, it doesn't seem like it's developing into anything that was originally talked about. Um now maybe in time it will, but again the roads and infrastructure need to be worked out. Uh one
concern of mine, and it's mentioned by one of the prior speakers, is the schools. It seems like uh we've got the overcrowded public schools, but yet your solution is to build new charter schools. Um that doesn't suit everybody. We should be emphasizing public schools. Um Anyway, uh another problem is we're not worried about the resources. We've been through um droughts here where people are asked to not to fill their coals. and to turn off the fountains and not to water their yards.
That wasn't so long ago. Now we've had a couple of seasons of good rain and the aquifer's recharge somewhat and everybody's forgetting about that. So we're all gonna draw a lot more water from the aquifer with all these new developments and It's predicted to create problems. There was a good article in the Times about that not long ago, and it should be a concern of everybody's who's living here. So I think we need to give more concern to the environment, more concern for the infrastructure, and think this development through a little more carefully, and also limit the densities. Um some of
these densities are just gonna throw so much more traffic on the road. This one was twelve hundred and seventy-five. apartments or living dwelling units, whatever you want to call 'em. There's still people living in them with cars. And I think it's just gonna be uh make things a lot worse. Sir,
just to c just as a curiosity, w where are you from originally? Pardon? Where are you from originally?
Where from originally?
Yeah.
Uh the United States. America.
I I couldn't tell that from your accent.
Well it's secret. No I think it's a good thing.
And people have been moving here for years. Some time yes. And a long time ago, probably when you moved here, people said we gotta k keep people from moving here because Everything's changing. And I c I said that myself. I grew up here. My dad grew up here. My grandfather grew up here. I know what it's like to see change and not not like it. But where are you ever going to do that?
If I could, you wouldn't be here. You can
control probably true, but you can control what the developers do. You know, you can't do it. I'm just joking. Because you can make reasonable densities here, but it's not happening.
But the point is is that, you know, I I just don't want you to mischaracterize what we're saying. You know, we're we're not we're not saying that anybody can do anything they want with their land. That's why we're here. We make those decisions all the time. Yep. Right. But we're we're not here to decide where they're gonna put their buildings, we're here to decide Is this a proper use of the land for a particular particular purpose? In this case, we know that there's going to be a hospital that wants to go there and
Do we need that hospital?
Do we?
Is there true that we need that hospital?
You know, I think we do. So and I think the type of a hospital they're going to have there is something we definitely need. Since there's only one other one in central ho all of central Florida. Well
if if it's a specialized hospital like what they're talking about, that could bring very high paying important jobs to the area as well.
It could and that would be nice to see the jobs come, but so far it'd be just homes. So
All right.
We're we're
we're awfully glad you're
saying
I
want
to jump in on this hospital issue real quick. Like when I moved here some twenty plus years ago, I was out at McGill Air Force Base playing golf. And a lightning storm came through there and I injured myself. I had to drive all the way to Zephyrhills or New Tampa to go to a hospital because we didn't have any in Wesley Chapel at the time.
Yeah. So I'm happier than a hog and slop to see hospitals come to this area. So I'm gonna defend hospitals.
Okay.
This is fun so far.
Mr. Chair, that was the last person that had signed up to speak, but if you want to call for uh comment on
the
comments,
we've got one more that wants to speak.
So I'm rise back there.
Could you give us your name and address?
Hi, um my name is Juan Pontreras. I live on uh [address removed].
And you've been sworn, Waco? You've been sworn? Oh, let's get you sworn then.
Is there anybody else that has not been sworn in because we can do it all at once, that wants to speak?
So Like yourself, I've been here most of my life 50 years and I've seen the changes. I love growth. I'm a business owner and I love seeing people coming here investing. But we also have to think down the road. And I Um I'm okay with the development that's going over on um seventy five and overpass. I do have a problem with the apartments because
I have A son in Wesley Chapel Elementary a daughter in middle school, and a daughter in high school. They're already at capacity or over. Every single morning and afternoon I get a call or a text telling me that they're an hour, twenty minutes late, thirty minutes late, picking them up, dropping them off. Before we bring more people in, I think there's things that need to be taken care of. And that's one of 'em. My child can't learn
if the classes are too big. So, to me, I don't know why you would approve thirteen hundred homes when the schools are not there yet. So the other thing
is that we're not going to be able Say this.
Okay.
Sort of to quantify what you're saying. You're not gonna I mean those thirteen hundred homes are gonna take a long time to build. How
long is it gonna take to build the school? You're
not gonna be there tomorrow. We have we have a school expert here right at the end now.
Okay, so why answer
the
question? So so why why is my son getting out of school at 345? But if he rides the bus, he gets to my house almost six o'clock. clock and I live a mile and a half away. So I pick 'em up.
Yeah. So
we don't even have to worry about what's coming down the road. Why don't we fix what we have now? We have problems now and you guys are trying to, you know, justify approving all these apartment complexes all over the place.
There's the expert.
Okay, well when you finish
he'll he'll
respond.
The other thing is I live on the lake.
Um The same lake we're talking
about? Yeah, I live on the on Elam Lake on Elam Road. So it's the one south of it. About that property Two thousand eighteen, nineteen, I'm not sure. But from when I moved in within three years they've already I've had like five or six cars go straight into my fence because they're flying through there. It's ten miles an hour, nobody does ten miles an hour. The only reason I haven't had in
the last year accidents is because Elam is closed 'cause they're widening it. What's gonna happen whenever you bring all these other pl things into my area without fixing the road because I was told that that's not part of what's going to be widened or fixed. I even had a police officer run into it. No one ever paid for the fence. I never was contacted.
I mean these are s I mean, my kids can't play in the front of the house because somebody can come flying through.
Okay. What road are you on? Elam? Elam Road. Okay, we'll ask about that, Rhode, when the developer comes up. Okay.
Right. That's pretty much it. That's all I got.
All right. Thanks. Thanks for coming.
Thank you.
Um Richard, do you want to speak to the school?
Yeah.
Just for the buses it's hard to get bus drivers. It's basically you know it's who would want to be a bus driver I don't know if there's any bus drivers in here but if they're here it's a it's a tough job. Okay. I mean all I'm doing is addressing the concerns. It's tough to be a drive bus driver. It's probably the w hardest job in the school system, but that's here nor there. And there is, you know, you can drive your kid, which you're doing, which is fine. So let's go to this whole thing. What I did is I took the bales, I took the wildcat, and I also
added the Kenton on, because Kenton's on the agenda also. So we're talking two thousand seventy-five multifamily units.
According to our generation rates which we use, that would Generate two hundred and thirty nine elementary students. That would be K through 5, which are sixth grades. If you take that 239, divide it by six. You get f about forty kids per classroom or per class, kindergarten forty, etcetera. We're building a Kirkland Ranch K-8 School. It's gonna open next year, August of 2024.
There'd be one thousand six hundred student stations in that school. So Um my director, Chris Williams, has been in touch with uh Tanya, who's was on the line. What we estimated is about if you take that 1600 comes out to about 175 students per grade. So, and go back to what I said before, with the 239 students that this is going to generate, comes out to 40 children per grade. We're gonna have a hundred and seventy
five. students per grade available. So that that's a surplus of a hundred and thirty five. So that it's not an issue as far as that K through weight class.
Richard going back to the issue, so will this property be zoned for
that is gonna it's gonna be a um a magnet school. So if you apply and you live you know, you'll be most likely if you're in the area you'll be
Wesley Chapel Elementary.
Is what's what's the current capacity? Is it over capacity?
Right now it is
There's it's the capacity of six hundred and thirteen students and the current enrollment is seven hundred and seventy-seven. Which is about a hundred and sixty. So We have portables available and that's a short term solution.
So you're counting on so you so you're counting on Kirkland Excuse me, I'm asking a question if you could not talk from the audience.
Yeah, we we don't talk from the audience, that's not courteous.
So you're counting a Kirklin key through
K eight
K eight to relieve Wesley Chapel for this area.
It'll It'll help some. Uh there's f folks out there, I think Christy can confirm. With the whole um connected city We did an analysis and I believe there we provided I think there's nine elementary schools based on all the approvals I don't have that in front of me, but I believe it's like nine elementary schools.
Other we're gonna d work with the developers to get other land available. And my director's also been in touch with the parcel to the north.
School site? Yes. We released that. Oh you released that? Yeah. Okay. So your plan for this area is Kirk and Q three and then potentially other sites?
Other sites within Connected City.
What's the time frame?
For what?
Well the other
sites?
I Mr. Gray The new one is for August. Mr. Gray alluded to that it will take a few years for these units to come online if approved. How long would it take for these classrooms to come online?
What current book you said was next year.
It's gonna be dealt it'll be open in Aug it's under construction right now. It'll be open in August of next year.
But that's a that was a
magnet, right?
Yeah.
So I'm assuming when you released Epperson there was some thought process to how you would address the capacity of this area, right?
Right. And that's connected cities.
Right, Epperson is in Connected City.
So the
question is, when you released it, what was your thought process for how you would address the con the the units in Connected City?
The Connected Cities has nine elementary schools that we will that they will generate. So as it goes forward, we'll acquire those sites and build elementary schools.
Well Okay, but where are you going to acquire them? Because Maraud is already approved, Epperson's already approved.
We're talking to the developer w that's on the it used to be Pasco Town Center. They're moving dirt now as I believe. And Chris is in touch with the developer now to SiteSock.
You would acquire it pri you were gonna acquire it through purchase because th that Pasco Town Center has also been approved. I I'm just trying to figure out where are you expecting to get these school sites because a lot of the MPDs in Connected City are already approved. I'm not sure you're talking about after the after the fact acquisitions?
As it goes forward we'll purchase sites.
Okay. What I'm asking though is normal
process when
you guys need a site.
Yeah.
is when the MPUD's coming through you ask for a site and you might give school impact credits for the cost of the site.
Right.
Are you talking about acquiring sites in already approved M PUDs?
Yes. Right now there's the Pasco Town Center, and we're in touch when it was approved. We were in in communication with them to purchase the
Yeah. Richard,
how
do the generation rates work? You have a certain amount of children assigned to single family detached and then some to multifamily? We take the
um We've got a a GIS system which we look at all the properties. And it's just based on the county wide. Generation rates.
Okay.
Is there any adjustment made in this case?
as I understand it, there are no more single family detached entitlements in the connected cities. It's only multifamily that's left. So that means in my mind, you're gonna have more Or larger families living in multifamily that might have otherwise lived in single family detached, so is there any kind of adjustment factor for that?
There's there's different generation rates for single family detached, multifamily, and single family
attached. I mean, is single family assume a greater amount of
children?
Right. And that's what I'm saying. So in this case, since there's no more single family entitlements, there's only multifamily. multifamily entitlements available.
Right.
Do we up do you apply a larger generation rate now for the multifamily?
We use the same multifamily that we use for any development. And we would think that the f the families would choose, in our mind, You would choose a single family detached home if you would But they're not going to be there. Well they would choose a different development. They would choose a different development.
But you're saying that the per unit generation rate is going to be lower on a multifamily than it will be on a single family.
Correct. Well most families are not going to choose a apartment project to live in. So but it's becomes of what's available to them. Yeah. So we're trying to what's totally
my questions
is
What about middle and high school capacity? Has Cyprus middle high got adequate capacity for this area?
So we've got The K eight site. Which we think is gonna be sufficient just like the elementary school. We've got
okay, that'll help the middle school.
Yeah. Okay. Then we've got the Kirkland Ranch Academy Innovation. That's over there too, that's a high school site. that's currently under capacity and as more people we think that site's gonna build up more as the word gets out that it's a It's a technical school but has a lot of good things going for it so we think the more kids are going there.
What is the current is Cyprus Middle High currently over capacity or pack capacity?
Which one? Cyprus
the one that's closest to the site, which is I believe is
Cyprus
Middle and High School.
Wait, it's jown it's zoned for Weightman Middle School.
Oh it is. Okay,
so it's not
zoned for Cyprus
over.
No. That's at one thirty one of capacity.
Mr Hobby, did you have some something to uh And then uh enlighten us on your considerations for schools.
Yeah, I I just wanted to speak because I did speak um in recent times with Chris Williams about this issue and there is a reserved site in Maratha as well, which that may be what Mr. Goldstein was remembering and and Rich might not be aware of. It's actually reserved, so that's something that they the school board can call at any time.
Okay, so even though they didn't give up the slide in Epperson, they still have a reservable. That's right. Yeah. Right. Thank you, Clark.
Right.
Okay.
And then just what if you've got a site there Are there plans to develop a school on there now or is that something we gotta go to s
With Maraud?
Right.
Which one were you speaking of? The
res the site that you're saying that was reserved in
Morata. We have an acquisition program that we go through and then we would just acquire the site and then we would start building. So how long how long does that take? Probably about two years. We've got other property in the area. I mean I don't know if anybody knows is we have uh a high school site available on Hancart Road.
hundred acre site that's on the new McKendry fifty two. So The other thing I want to mention is that the county we work very closely with the county. Anything that comes to us, we know about this wildcat came to us two years ago. So we work well with the county, we plan for growth and I think it's impossible that you're never gonna you're always gonna have to have school overcapacity. If you were to build a school That's if a school's twenty percent over capacity
and you build a new ha a school Now you're gonna have a school that's filled twenty percent and that really doesn't make a whole lot of sense money wise. So It's it's not an easy process. There are growth pains, we all know that. But we think we're very Good at what we do.
Rich Richard, not necessarily your p your purview, but how does charter fit into
the charter. We don't we don't know where charters are gonna go. Okay. And we have limited if they apply they're pretty much gonna get approved. There's one on fifty four that's a high school. I believe right now it has seventy seven students in it, so that's an option too. So there's charter schools all over. We welcome charter schools, they're part of the choice process for parents. So
What are the criteria for I'm just curious for uh bus pickup? How far away do you have to live?
It's two miles. Two miles. In some cer certain c circumstances it
Did yeah. Did you did the school board provide a capacity report? to the staff for this application. Normally in our M D U D packets there's a school capacity report and I didn't learn about the school capacity re issue last night until I turned on Bay News Nine, so
I'm not sure I'm not sure if they've included it or not. One thing that I think people need to realize too is whenever there's an MPU that comes in Well they f the the uh applicant has to fill out a questionnaire. And what that is, it's our bite at the apple that says, do we need a school site at this MPD? So we're able to s do the analysis and then we can find out and let them know if we do want a school site or not. So I don't think it was included. It might be a good idea for it to be included, but they're they're all done and that one was done two years ago. Usually
they're in there. Yeah.
All right, well good. That gave us a lot of information about the schools. So um thank you Richard. Appreciate that. Um is there anybody else on the list?
No, I don't have anyone else on the list for that item for P six.
All right. Jobby? You can answer some of those questions, that'd be helpful.
Yes, sir. Uh Clark Hobby again for the record and in just a moment Christy Barrero is gonna be speaking because some of the issues are more uh germane to the bail site at the northern end of the site. But I would Uh just walk you all through a couple of things and I'll talk about schools uh a little bit more on that. I have been speaking with uh Chris Williams about Issues in this area and other potential sites, and there's a couple we're talking about maybe just a little bit north of this site that
might be logical locations. I also did speak with him about maybe the potential of having a charter school on this site, and that was something he thought might be really attractive because there are other technical schools like Metro School that maybe basically feed off of like an Angeline that feed off of the medical use. So that's something I expect that we'll actually look at. And just so you all understand and the public understands, our school district does an incredible
job with school planning and they're very conservative. And they're conservative in several ways. And one of which is they generally don't count charter school Capacity towards their capacity. They only look at traditional county-provided schools. And so I have clients that are building very large charter schools out here that the parents seem to love. Our school analysis doesn't account for any of those seats. So when you see somebody's over, and I'm not saying that there aren't individual
schools over capacity, and I'm not as a parent. I've my kids have gone through public school and I understand. But I am telling you our school district does a very good job of getting ahead of this far better than other districts that I've seen in our area. And they're very conservative in their uh seat management and they do not include any charter school seats in the seat analysis that they do. So that's just a couple thoughts about that. Um
Mrs. Riddlesworth uh mentioned one thing that was germane to my part of the site and that's the helipad. As you might imagine the hospital has to have a helipad. The good news is this specialty hospital, if you will, is not going to be a class one trauma center in the way that like Tampa General Hospital is that has continuous overflights. They only anticipate a couple of flights per week. And the other thing that's somewhat unique about
the site is the Spada family that owns Wildcat Groves, one of the family members lived immediately east of the Wildcat site, and he actually operated a helicopter business out of that site from 1980 until his death a couple of years ago. So helicopter usage is not new in this area, it's not new to Mr. is Reddle's work. Um As to the lake access, I don't want to step on Christy's toes, but my understanding for her
client is that they're willing to flat out prohibit lake access from their multifamily units. I didn't even think about discussing with the hospital because it's not really part of something we would associate with the hospital, but I did tell several of the neighbors in the back that I I will discuss it with them. I got their contact information and if the hospital doesn't want any lake access at all, which I anticipate, then we could probably add a condition prior to the board that will prohibit that. Uh
let me see what else is on my list. Um I think that's generally generally it on mine. So I'll let Christy ad address some of the adjacency
issues. Yeah. One of the things that I think was on the mind of some of the people is as far as the site plan is concerned, I know you don't have a site plan yet. Right.
Right. So I mean there was a statement, you know, why isn't there a site plan now? Well, it's not required at this level. And as you might imagine, when we're looking at a very large development, it's not even feasible at this point. We've got to get the MPUD done and then we'll get into site planning. I anticipate what will happen, and I don't again don't want to speak for Christy and her client, but I believe that we'll find some accommodation with Mrs. Riddlesworth. And and as David rightly pointed out, if the alignment of the
road that she Shown in the comprehensive plan occurs, there'll be a road going away from her site and they'll continue to have a dirt road there, perhaps in perpetuity, that will be localized, kind of rural feeling of access. But right now in the comprehensive plan and the Connected City Master Roadway Plan, that is not the plan for where the roads to go.
Clark, could you address um because this is more your client, the concern about Elam Road and Oh right. And then also potential potential traffic going north.
Can we go back to my PDF? Somewhere in there there's a master roadway plan. and uh I can show everybody a couple of things that we're working on for your area. I know this may take a m a minute or two. I think he's trying to pull it up now.
Maybe Christy can I'll I'll come back to it once she's doing that. Maybe Christy can speak to her issues now. Then I'll I'll speak to it.
Good afternoon, Christy Barrera with High Design 5904 Hampton Ark Hampton Oaks Parkway, Tampa, Florida. I have been sworn. And I'm representing the Bayles property. So did want to go through a couple of comments that I heard from the audience. First, I wanted to remind everybody that we did have a neighborhood meeting a month ago on Tuesday, September 5th, at the Wesley Chapel District. District Park. We had less than 12 residents show up to that meeting a month ago. We
did talk to some of them afterwards and then we heard some of their concerns. I did speak to Ms. Riddlesworth for a while after that meeting as well. It wasn't our first conversation. We had talked over a year ago last August. And as was previously mentioned, This application was submitted in January of 2022, so we have had a significant significant amount of time to review this document and provide notice to the residents. Usually
rezoning don't take two years to get done, but as Clark mentioned earlier, there was a proposed purchaser for Wildcat. Now there's a new one, so we were In between users at the time. So I wanted to talk about first I guess the compatibility issue. As was previously mentioned, this project is the the Wildcat parcel is in the South Innovation Zone, and the Bayles property is in the business core
zone. When Connected City was adopted, and we're going through the process between 2015-2017, there were five zones that were created, and there was actually some discussion about this site, whether it should be all business core along the interstate. And that's what originally this entire site was business core, but because the South Innovation Zones. specifically denotes that as a pri as a uh priority zone,
they wanted to put this intersection in the priority zone so that it could move forward faster if it needed to. In both of those zones, high density and intensity and a lot of economic development are proposed and that's exactly what we're doing here. So to continue with the compatibility, one of Ms. Riddlesworth's issues was the buffer along her property boundary. Uh since our neighborhood meeting a month ago, we have talked to her numerous times. The
connected city requires a ten-foot buffer. And that is what we are proposing. It's a 10-foot buffer, regardless of if it's if multifamily is adjacent to single-family detached, single-family attached, as well as office retail. So the reason for that 10-foot buffer and it not being any wider is because they want Connected City to be connected and walkable. And even though there's a single family home there today,
again this overlay is planning for a 50-year future where it could be much higher intensity development, potentially industrial, like we're seeing north at 52 millions of square feet. So origin so with that 10 foot buffer. You have the option to do a berm, a fence, or a wall. We were wanting to keep our options open and just say we would do one of those three with the additional required landscaping. Uh Miss Riddlesworth came back and said she didn't feel
safe with the berm and didn't want our residents to be walking over into her property. So we agreed to a fence. That still wasn't enough for her. So we said, Okay, we'll put in the six foot wall. Um and so here we are today asking for the required buffer of ten feet with the required landscaping and a six foot wall. We think that that should be sufficient um to address her safety concerns. So
she just asked for an eight foot wall. Is that something you're willing to do?
Oh Yes.
So we can change that uh condition number eleven to read an eight foot wall rather than a six foot wall.
Let's see. Um we also discussed the decreased park space. I know this was brought up at the last Planning Commission hearing on a different project. Um hopefully it was explained pretty well last time, but basically what is required in Pasco County is one acre for every 100 residential units. So the Bayles property specifically is requested. 550 units. So that would require five and a half acres of park space. In Connected
City and in other areas in Pasco County, for apartment units, this acreage has been reduced because multifamily is high density, and that much acreage of park space would take up a large majority of the land that they have that's developable. So when apartments come into play, the parks department considers other Park like uses like gyms that are in the clubhouse and also smaller park sizes.
So you can go down to a quarter of an acre of a park space rather than a half acre minimum. So they give those um Options for apartments. So we're requesting some sort of mix of apartments and townhomes. For the townhome portion of the Wildcat property, we will be required to meet that one acre per 100 units of townhomes. For the apartment portion of the property, we're requesting to have 5% of the developable
area be set aside. Side for park space, and that's what is required in the Connected City Code. The only waiver we're asking for is that rather than requiring our apartment buildings to be four stories high to allow for that 5% developable park space, we go down to three stories high, which I would think m potentially the neighbors would want a shorter multifamily building than. A four story one. So does that answer the the park
question? I guess
you do you have an idea of how much that works out to be the five percent of developable space?
Well it depends on how much s of the acreage is the multi is the apartments. So if it's half and half, I believe it's about forty acres of upland space, developable space. So if twenty acres what I mean it It's really hard to tell because the apartments could take up more of the forty acres, the townhomes could take up more. So the the maximum required would be five and a half acres. If it was townhomes, it would if it was apartments it would be somewhat less than that. So
that's not
all one big two acre park. Right. Is there thought to put parks up on the north side of the property there? Or I know you're you're in site planning, you haven't done that, but is there for additional buffering up there on the north?
So at the zoning stage it's it's too early at this stage to really get into the construction plan process. So typically, you know, we can't even Submit construction plans until the zoning is approved. So we have not gotten that far in the process to know where the parks are going to go. Typically, like you said, there's more than one park, you want them, you know, spread out in in different types of parks too.
But maybe that can be a consideration going forward. I I air what you're saying,
absolutely.
But okay.
Um and then just to continue on the park space, there was another resident that said, you know, we need more parks in this area. Wesley Chapel District Park is just south of Overpass, and also when Connected City was created, there was a lot of talk about where should another district park go or a regional park because this was planned to be such a dense area in Pasco County and an economic driver. They didn't want to take up large acreages
of space for those larger. types of parks. So part of the villages of Pasadena Hills Superpark is meant for these connected city residents to use also. That's going to be a 300-acre park that's just west of here. So you have Wesley Chapel District Park, you have the superpark and then you'll have lots of neighborhood parks as well throughout this community and these projects. And then Clark touched on the dock issue. Again, that
was something that Ms. Riddlesworth and I talked about at the neighborhood meeting a month ago. And I said, Well, you know, in other lakes, obviously King Lake is much larger than these two lakes here. But in other projects that have lakes adjacent to them, we typically request one community. Really dark. for kayak launches or fishing, things like that. And she said, oh, you know, we really don't want any access from the Bayes residence onto this lake. So
I talked to the property owner and they agreed that there wouldn't be any boat launches. Then Miss Willsworth said, Okay, but we don't even want, you know, we don't want any access. So okay, we won't even put a fishing dock out there. There will be no access to the lake. We won't have any docks, any structures. So unless people are, you know, jumping in the lake and swimming with the alligators, our project will not provide any access to either one of those lakes that the residents had concerns about today.
Would you like to have access to the lake?
Would we like to? Um I I think my the m uh the applicant said that it's probably more of a headache than uh amenity to the project, that they don't really want the HOA to deal with all of that, so they're fine not having access to that lake.
I understand the concern about boat axes, but What is the concern with somebody fishing in the lake? I I don't I mean You're correct. It historically when we prohibited access to a lake it's been motorized typically motorized mode access. Ten
horsepower or lower.
Um I'm not sure if I understand
I mean, people have ritarian rights to lakes, so I mean I i it seems like you should be able to have some I mean I don't know where you draw that line. Are you then you're gonna allow to go look at the lake? I mean I don't know what I don't know what's gonna be.
I that's why I'm I'm not sure if I understand the concern about
Fishing. I I I somebody needs to articulate to me how fishing is damaging to a lake.
And I Clark needs to talk to his client to see what they would like to do on the southern lake. So I think between now and the board we can have those discussions and put in some sort of condition that clarifies Mm maybe no boats, no kayaks, but maybe a fishing platform would be allowed. I
don't personally find fishing or kayaks offensive.
Well I or what if it's an observation deck? I mean I don't I don't he It seems like if you li if you have property I again I understand the concern about boats, I just don't or motorized boats. I don't quite understand how some of these other activities damage the lake and maybe agreed.
We we were trying to help the neighbor. So As she said, as her attorney said, we have had conversations going back over a year. The last couple weeks we've had a lot more conversations. We had hoped to come to you today without any opposition, but we're still working through that.
Well maybe we have to make rec recommendations or no to motorized boat.
Well I it's up to the Planning Commission. I just wasn't sure if anybody was able to articulate the concern over
access to the lake that is anything other than motorized boats.
Yeah, here's here's my suggestion this Clark Hobby again. Let me get back with my client. If if we do allow a limitation on our side and and I think it would apply to all I think this there's kind of a standard condition that was developed for King Lake many years ago when the Epperson DRI was approved. And it basically says you can have one dock and if you have any motorized boat launch, it can't be more than I think it's either ten or fifteen miles per hour and there's a whole bunch of different conditions with it. That's kind of where I think
this probably needs to go. I just need to get the hospital's approval to do. do that. I've already gotten the contact information of about five of the people who were most concerned about it. I told them I'd be in contact with them once I get that approval. Okay. That just a couple other quickies and Christy, did you have anything else you need to respond to? Okay. Just two other things. Um there was some discussion about Elam and I don't know how many of you all are
you know,
know how Elam works, but let me see if I can get this here we go. So Elam is one of the primary east w east west roads. It comes from Curley, basically went through the Eberson Historic Ranch, came down here and right now there's a really difficult ninety degree turn that one of the neighbors was speaking of. The plan uh with our development in the hospital will bring the road into and will likely create a signal or a roundabout or some kind of condition there And then we'll come
back into um the intersection down here. This will basically eliminate this really tough uh issue right here. And then also uh several uh developers are discussing how to make this missing link of Kenton work down here and we've had several conversations with county staff about it and we continue to but ultimately Everybody in this area needs this missing link through uh the
southwest corner of Eprusant. The right-of-way set aside. But nobody, you know, right now has the cash funding from the county to go out and build the road. But everybody needs that to happen because the most logical thing for this area is to have this come down and become a significant intersection of what is another arterial roadway, Kenton, which goes directly up and this section right here is already built of Kenton and will also provide the connection. To the downtown area and
Pasco Town Center. So that's something that needs to happen for everyone's benefit. We're aware of it. We've been talking about it for a couple of years already. We just need to find some bucks with the county or some way to make it happen, but we know it needs to happen. The county and the developers know that. We're working on it. Um the last thing I just wanted to point out and you saw the cross section. So it's
so I could be wrong, but I think the gentleman's bigger concern was the eastern the part of Elum that is east of your project. I think that curve.
This curve right here? That there's another there's another hump there. I think I'm I'm calling it hump, it's a little curve. Is that what you're speaking of?
Well we're gonna take out
the sign
that says ten miles an hour and everybody's going
Yeah. people they come through there and they can
H here's what's gonna happen with Elam in my estimation when this connection's gonna get built. And I've told some of the neighbors just. I told them at the neighborhood meeting. When this gets built the traffic on this section of Elam is going to go way down. Way down because there won't be any need for people to use it as they're using it now. Because right now there's no connection. on a collector arterial road to get to this intersection. that will go away. That's the whole point of the other connection. Okay.
Uh I you know this off site section that I don't know about. That may be something that the county needs to look at that and the safety uh next to its facility, but that that's the county's property all right there and for all I know the S curve may be there in part because it had to bulb out north of the county's facility many years ago. I don't know. But I think that's more of a county issue. One la but one last thing I did want to say though, and we we showed you the cross-sections for these roadways like McKendry. All of
the roadway cross-sections all require multi-use pass, bike pedestrian paths. The whole plan of Connected City is built around that. So whether we're building two or four lanes of McKendry or any section of Elam, all of that will require the connectivity uh bike pad and automobile that is required of the entirety of connected city.
Happy to answer any other questions you may have.
Do we have any other questions? Why can't we start?
Thank you.
Excuse me. You're done.
Okay. So if there are no other questions and no other people speak, uh do we have a motion?
I'll make the motion.
To approve. So is somebody gonna address the modification due condition Yeah, yeah.
Well okay, so there was a discussion about modifying condition eleven to make it a eight foot wall as opposed to a six foot wall. Um I don't know what the Planning Commission wants to do about the lake access issue. So I I'm not gonna draft a condition on the fly. If we just want to give a general
I would I would postpone that until uh they can communicate with their the developer further on that one. I think the common sense one will probably I won't say. I'm gonna Stay mute on that issue. I think that one needs to be um postponed until there's some community.
So you just you just don't want the to be part of your motion basically.
I don't think it would be wise to.
So your motion is to approve with modifying condition eleven to be a eight foot wall instead of a six foot wall? Eight foot wall, correct. Instead instead of six foot.
Well I thought it was a nine foot wall though. Okay.
Currently a condition eleven says six foot wall. You want to change that six to an eight. To an eight. Okay, so your motion is to approve changing six to an eight. Is that accurate?
Yes.
Okay.
Is is the uh like access addressing the condition?
No it's not currently. That's why I asked the question is I don't know what funny if the motion maker wants to just be silent on it and let them try to work it out between now and the board.
Yeah, as long as which is an option. You don't have to Yeah,
as long as there's no condition that's preventing lake access or
currently there's no condition that prevents it or Allows it. Allows it. It just it's the conditions are silent.
Yeah. I'd be okay suckling that then.
Mr Chair, can I add one item it that should have been addressed? It's a housekeeping item. There are ex parte disclosures for this item from Uh Mr. Pontlitz, Mr. Poole, and Mr. Girardi, those were provided to the clerk's office. I just wanted to read them in the record because they were received after this item. Um the deadline for this item to have it online.
So
since that disclosure was just made, is there anybody that spoke that wants to address those ex party communications?
Okay, thank you.
Okay, uh we have a motion and we have a second. Um
the the question was does anybody who already spoke want to ha have any questions about the ex parties communications that were just disclosed?
Okay.
Right. So anyway, we for under further discussion, I would just say that I would support the motion, but I I do think there should be a limitation as to motorized gas powered boats because they could come from any location. It couldn't didn't have to be somebody that just lives there. So I I think it's important that that they have some control over that. I I'm not c in favor of controlling somebody that wants to go fishing,
but But I can understand you know, they want want a bunch of new gas powered boats going in there.
At at the same time with uh multifamily going in there they should have some I believe their right they had rights too and they should have some access to that link as well. Limited maybe.
Yeah. So I would say that would be I would support the motion if if you could modify it, it included that restriction.
Mr. Chairman I got a couple of things too. Um a few things to address. I it's first off, uh as far as the the one person that spoke regarding continuance, that this item, I mean, it's been in queue for what I understand since January twenty twenty two. There's still another public hearing, so just because we act today does not mean that you don't have time to work between now and the commission with the applicant to try to work out any remaining comments you have. Um second I I I I heard several people talk about rural in rural Pasco and where they live.
It it is rural. The people that live there have enjoyed rural for a long time. This this is now part of connected cities. Um it it's not going to be rural. There's all kinds of development plans in this area. Um so it th the thought of of rural and and forever being in rural Pasco
Um the last comment I have and and I think this is kind of general in in We up here as a board, and I I know me personally, we continue to see these things of connected cities and these bigger plans and these bigger, you know, parts of bigger common plans of development and it it becomes difficult to kind of track Um I think I'm not as well versed obviously as Clark or as Christy or the other people that have done a lot of work in this area, but
In the future, if if we can get a little more background on connected cities and I I give an example or the example I'll give today was there's a lot of confusion I think as far as the connectivity with the roads and who's committed to what and who's doing what. I mean I'm I'm still not a hundred percent clear. I can look at the master roadway plan and I can look and I can see several of the roads have are already constructed. I know the developer agreement that we're we're gonna vote on next, that's A PC nine. um has a timeline in there, but I don't know if there's somebody I imagine at the county's keeping
up with those timelines and as far as when things are supposed to be done. I don't know if somebody can create some kind of exhibit, a kind of tracking exhibit, and these things come through it may help answer and clarify some of these questions on connectivity as or infrastructure in place. What's the plan? So I I just wanted to provide that feedback.
That's gonna be there. I'd like to go back to this issue about the um access to the lake. I c I can I can I can understand the uh question coming on the rising. My concern would be we would not limit it to those currently using it. This motion would not impact them at all for exactly.
Okay. I just can't thought he wanted to.
I'll have in a minute.
Yeah, I'm trying to get this motion to
go through in a minute. Yeah, no, I'm not I'm only talking about Uh I'm not talking about limiting it to just the people that have access now.
Currently yeah, so we could we that would be built into so I I'm I'm willing to modify it to allow individuals to utilize it for fishing purposes but it would have to be limited uh d so
so historically what we've limited is motorized gas powered I'm talking about
Not or
be electric horsepower. Oh so you don't have an issue with electric. It's just gas powered you you you want to prohibit gas powered well Um careful. They're diesel too. I would say how about we limit the technology? Diesel gas. Diesel gas.
Okay. Okay, we gave it to How about no no power to
rise boats on the lake. That
should cover all the You two are saying two different things, but I it's your motion, so I you tell me what you want what you want.
You say non motorized?
I'm saying non-rotarized on the lake.
So kayaks would be allowed. But
fishing should
be allowed.
So you don't need to get into all the things that are allowed, in my opinion. Yeah. You want to get into what are you trying to prohibit. Because that's what the condition would that's the condition you want to add. Yeah.
Motorized boats, which is the concern, I believe.
So all motorized boats or just gas powered motorized boats?
I would have to go with all motorized foot Because once you allow electric or gas, it's still motorized. Unless there's some questions about that. It I can understand no motorized one. I'm okay with that.
Okay, so you are you modifying your motion? I'm trying to modify the motion. You wanna to prohibit you wanna add a condition that prohibits motorized boat access to the lakes?
Correct.
Okay. But um I I I here's where I have the confusion is that uh if it's motorized gas or if it's motorized electric or if it's sun powered, it's still motorized. Brad, do you have something you want to add?
What if it's wind powered?
I yeah,
I have to.
Brad, do you want to add something? That's what I
prefer to
do.
Yeah, just just regard I was hearing. hearing some uh concerns back there that I wanted to they
were
overhearing some of this discussion and if someone could just clarify whether this discussion was intended to apply to the people that currently own property on the lake today. No, it's applicable it's
applicable to the new M PUD.
To the new M PUD only and and the other thing is we do we we've addressed a situation similar to this with King Lake. We have a condition in the Epperson MPUD that we can use. can either restrict all motorized vehicles of any type, electric or gas, or you can restrict it only to electric or you can do no motorized
Okay. So whichever way you'd like to. I think the motion maker is aware of all of his options.
Correct, it does this does not affect any existing residents. This is a condition imposed on the new residents of this MPUD. Okay. We can't regulate the existing residents. We're regulating the new people coming in.
Thank you.
So can we get back to your motion? What is your
motion would be all motorized
Gotcha. Okay. Did the second the person who made the second
still want to second that motion? That would be me. Um
I don't I don't think we should condition it at this point. I think we should leave it open and allow the residents to work it out with the developer. Prior to the board meeting. Prior to the board meeting. So just leave it leave it open any.
So So so you you've lost your second. Does anybody else want to second the motion? That's fine. I can lose that. I'm just trying to move this thing forward.
I'll second the motion.
Okay, so we've got a motion and a second.
Okay, any further discussion on the motion?
And to add a condition prohibiting motorized back boat access to the lake.
Right.
That's the motion that's been made and seconded.
Okay, any further discussion? Not all in favor? Aye. Signify by saying aye. Aye. Opposed, like, sign? Uh nay. Okay, and like the motion carries. There we go.
I'm in favor of this. Oh yeah, we need the you gotta take action on the development agreement now too. Which is PC nine. Sometimes you have to seek agreed.
I'll make a motion to approve A P C nine.
I'll second. The motion is second and further discussion. All in favor? Aye. Aye. Aye. Opposed, like signed. Motion carries.