PDE-25-7831

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OutcomeApproved by the Board of County Commissioners on Mar 25, 2025

Approved Staff’s recommendation subject to the rezoning Conditions in the Agenda Package in addition to those that were handed out during the meeting and those that had been put in orally to the record, with the removal of the word proximate and changing it to half a mile, the addition of the Condition to pre-pay the mobility fees if they had a plan to fund Colony Road, the cul-de-sac Condition wh

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Zoning Amendment (Consent) - Sakelson Hudson MPUD Master Planned Unit Development - DRB Group - A Rezoning Request from an A-R Agricultural- Residential District to an MPUD Master Planned Unit Development to Allow for the Maximum Development of 63 Single-Family Detached Homes and Associated Infrastructure on Approximately 34.24 acres.

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1Jan 23, 2025
Planning CommissionPC6Consent agendaApproved
Approved minutes
Approved the item per Staff’s recommendation with the addition of a Right-of-Way dedication for the missing interconnect.
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1h 17m
GreyChair
PC six.
Barbara
Good afternoon, Planning Commission members. My name is Kurt Siversen of Planning Development and Economic Growth. It's my distinct privilege to present to you for the first time. We'll be easy
GreyChair
on
Barbara
you.
Connected City
We don't bite that hard. Uh-huh.
Barbara
Agenda item P D E twenty five seventy eight thirty one is Sackelson Hudson M P U D
Locationally we're in northwest Pasco County in Commissioner Mariano's district.
The overview here is a rezoning petition from AR Agricultural Residential. to prospective MPUD master plan unit development. The prospective development would be 63 single family homes. All product types are 60-foot wide lots with 120-foot depth on approximately 34.24 acres. with related infrastructure.
The northernmost boundary of this project abuts Hudson Avenue, the southernmost boundary abuts Firefox Drive.
The property retains its original AR zoning. The immediate surrounding zoning types are AR, AC agricultural, and MPUD. The current density of this property is one dwelling unit per acre, allotting thirty-four units by gross acreage. Granted approval of prospective Sackleson Hudson MPUD, the property's density would increase to nearly two units an acre or 0.54. The increase in density is appropriate for the growth of this area without exhausting existing
infrastructure.
Our future land use of the subject property is residential three. Residential three dwelling units per acre. The permissible maximum development by gross acreage would be 102 units. This project seeks a maximum development of 63. nearly half the permissible by total gross acreage.
By our context map, perspective Sacklin Hudson is appropriate for the growth of Hudson, considering their immediate neighbor approved MPD Palm Wynn. approved for three hundred and nineteen homes. The grading of this neighborhood has begun. The paved portion of County Collective Roadway, Colony Road, ends at Firefox Drive. with the development of Sackleson and expansion of Colony Road, is to be constructed from Hudson Avenue to the project entrance.
Illustrated on the M PewD Master Plan.
Sackles in Hudson will convey one hundred and twenty four feet of right of way consistent with B C C P D and E study of fifty two in Colony from Hudson Avenue to the south Eastern Project boundary.
The maximum development of 63 single family homes will retain one product type, with the typical being illustrated here, with a 60-foot wide lot and 120 feet of depth. Next, I'd like to show the binding conceptual plan.
The development of phase one of colony road expansion Is the development of a 62-foot-wide two-lane roadway from Hudson Avenue to the project entrance. With a Dedication of 124 feet for ultimate development of a four-lane roadway. Additionally, the applicant has conveyed to Pasco County from the project access to their southeastern boundary. The first one. For
future development of Colony Road.
The stormwater pond located at the Hudson at the intersection of Hudson Avenue Colony Road is creditable. The two southern ponds were essential to the project. Therefore not credible. Uh internal capture of the residents is a priority. In lieu of a western vehicular connection, the applicant has committed to heightened um internal Pedestrian capture. Although faint on the binding concept plan, there are trail connections
to the north and the southwest of the project connecting to their sidewalks.
Landscaping requirements and prospective Sackleson Hudson Hudson, MPD here. Per condition of an approval number twelve come directly from PM twenty-six being the two trees per single family home, one of which required along the frontage. Next I'd like to show you the Connie exhibit.
Shaded. From Hudson to Project Access. is the sixty two foot expansion of Colony Road. Hudson to the south. eastern project boundary is the total conveyance of 124 feet of right away. The credible pond is also shaded at the intersection of Hudson and Future Colony.
The typical of the sixty two foot wide two lane roadway is at the bottom of This exhibit.
Two variations have been applied for in the design of Sacquis and Hudson, the first being 901.6.D point eleven street design and dedication, the applicant prioritizing pedestrian mobility and safety by their design.
In lieu of a western vehicular connection, they've heightened their internal capture and walkability, as before mentioned, by the trail connections and sidewalks. The second was to reduce the right-of-way width from Colony Road, originally 160 feet wide to 124 feet, consistent with BCC PD ⁇ E study. of State Road fifty two in Colony, file name PMA zero two Zero four two.
This agreement was also confirmed by our county's transportation engineering department.
PDE recommends approval with the provided conditions of approval. For rezoning petition PDE 257831. Thank you for your time and consideration. I'm available should you have questions.
GreyChair
Okay. Any questions?
Anything? Okay, you're off the hook for now. Oh excellent. Thank you so much. Good job on your first time.
Barbara Wilhite
Barbara Wilhe Wilheit still at [address removed] for the applicant. Mr. Siveson, very nicely done.
Unidentified speakerVoice A
Mm-hmm.
Barbara Wilhite
It's a pleasure to work with your staff. Um I do have a PowerPoint that we're handing out, a short one, um, and that uh more great staff was put up uh for the for this presentation.
GreyChair
We have a motion to receive and file. So
Barbara Wilhite
moved.
Will Poon
Second.
GreyChair
Okay. All in favor? Aye. Opposed. Thanks. Thank you.
Barbara Wilhite
I don't want to be repetitive of of the PowerPoint because that was pretty um specific and exhaustive, but this is the location of the project. This is the um concept plan that you saw. Quite a lot of care putting into this, a lot of work with the TED, TED Department, new name. Transportation engineering department. um with regard to colony and accommodating the county's four-lane vision road, pretty significant vision road going all the way from 52 to um Hudson and then beyond. Um
our density is sixty-three single family detached the larger lots, what what I hear my builder clients say is the built the um step up. But at a sixty foot lot. The current comp plan allows 102 as the maximum density, so about half.
This i is a pretty good context of of what the board has approved um for palm wind. the shaded in the orange are the forty foot lots, shaded in the we can call that cream, I guess. Those are the fifty foot lots. Consistent with that we have we have do have single family detached, but we have the larger lots of 60 feet by 120, which will complement their product mix and provide an additional product mix.
These are the um some of the renderings of the homes that my client DRB off is going offers in the area and will likely offer here. I think they're very nice.
GreyChair
Yeah, probably nice.
Barbara Wilhite
The the one thing I wanted to note
And coming back to our concept plan, we can't if if you can go down so we can see the So we do have a connection to Foxfire. Um, and I imagine that may be some of the comment from our neighbors. We'll see. But I wanted to explain that. Um Foxfire is a standard road, meets the county standards, and we have included the connection because it's a land development code requirement. The Board of County Commissioners in 901.6 D 11
have Have made um continuation of existing street pattern a priority. I can tell you in every one of my MPUDs it's a priority, not only with the staff in implementing it, but also when I get before the board. So that's why we have a connection to Foxfire because it's a standard road and the code requires it. Um I do have my team and we'll see what uh the neighbors uh what kind of questions and comments they have and we'll be back to uh talk further. All
GirardiVice Chair
right. So can I ask Barbara? Yeah. Yes. Barbara, um this is the first time I've Thank you for this overlay, Risha Pallman and your project together because I had not seen this before. Is it looks like the Palm Wind M P D is showing some kind of interconnect um to your project, at least if this graphic is accurate, does it connect
Does it connect to to future colony road?
Barbara Wilhite
See if yeah, Stephen from above.
Mm-hmm.
GirardiVice Chair
If the intent is that that would connect the future colony road, though I think that's a good thing. It's very difficult for me to tell from this graphic if that's what's happening.
Barbara Wilhite
Yes, I know Steven reviewed the their plans, um, so he can probably answer that.
Unidentified speakerVoice B
Okay. Stephen Sposato, planner with Level Up uh Consulting. Yeah, that's correct. And the address
GreyChair
is I'm sorry. Sorry? Your address?
Unidentified speakerVoice B
Um five oh five East Jackson Street, Tampa. And you've been sworn. Yes. Yes, sir. Thank you. Yeah, just to confirm the the there is a a c interconnection with the the Palmwood and MPUD to the Colony Road right of way, not directly to to our to our site. So you can sort of see on the on the very southern boundary of our site is where they propose an interconnection. Thank you.
GirardiVice Chair
Before this goes to the board or something you could Modify your binding concept plan. If this is your binding concept plan to Show that connection. on your on your plan if it's not there. I can't I mean I don't know if this is I don't know if the one you handed out is the mining consent plan or not. Is it
Moody
they would need to give some kind of right away or something for that connection, David? Is that what you're getting at?
GirardiVice Chair
No, it just that It
Moody
It looks like it crossed.
GirardiVice Chair
That's that's the part I'm a little unclear about is whether It needs some kind of
It does look like there's a little sliver between their interconnect and the right-of-way. Location and the colony right away, but that may be a
You know, just to An error in drafting or The way this is depicted, I don't know. But if the intent is that it's going to connect to the colony Right away. I think it should be shown on your Binding concept plan.
Barbara Wilhite
Okay.
GirardiVice Chair
So that the world knows that that's where that connection is occurring.
Barbara Wilhite
And to make sure that that connection can actually occur.
GirardiVice Chair
Yes.
Barbara Wilhite
So understood. No problem.
GreyChair
All right.
Okay, is there someone who will speak on this one?
I think you're right.
Pastor Jim
Because I think that was somebody else.
Jen Kerouac, [address removed]. Um the the concern that I have and and really it's with you know continued development in regards to this And other areas as we know Um Florida statute, the governor signed into law at 125.02 public camping and public sleeping. And as the person and
individual that night by night as folks come into the church, and we're thankful to be able to do it, we partnered with the county and we give thanks to them for that. But it also brings kind of like to the forefront and again the same with the last I've I've watched and uh many apartment complexes many these are very nice homes I have I have I do not deny that they're beautiful Um, you know, but the concern
is is that we continue to develop and part of the development process is my understanding is, is that the county has to also do their share uh um with regards to all infrastructure and whether or not um this has been and it it appears to be a very um uh uh a big stress on the county. I went to the budget meetings, you know, people are concerned
about their taxes. Um and so as we continue to do these things Um And there is no area at this point. I'm I'm not hearing a lot about affordable housing. The apartment complexes are like eighteen hundred bucks a month for a one-bedroom apartment. You know, these homes I'm sure they're not gonna be like within most likely a hundred, two hundred thousand dollars. I don't know, that'd be great if
they were. were but I'm sure and and I understand all that. My concern again is and with regards to the connected cities moving for and as I've been before each and every one of you and the Board of County Commissioners asking for that building moratorium so that the county can catch up. And you know again it is not to to say that the county's not doing what they're supposed to do, but the rate of growth that Pasco
County has, and they say we're the third largest or fastest growing in in the nation. I mean there is a lot that goes with that with regards to roads, vision roads. They say it's a vision road. Uh they've called Shady Hills Road a vision road and when I went to the local Disadvantaged Transportation Board planning meeting uh They said that the one woman said Shady Hills has been uh a visionary road since I think she said 1992
when she first took her position there. So again, this is a you know concern of not just mine but many people. In the county.
GreyChair
All right. Thank you. Any questions?
GirardiVice Chair
Forbert did you wanna
Liam Devine
Um we do have other individuals signed up to speak and we do have one individual online to speak for this item as well.
GreyChair
Very good. Come forward. Take your name and address, please.
Unidentified speakerVoice A
Good afternoon. Clinton Wynne, [address removed]. Okay, Mr. Wynn, you've been sworn. Yes, sir. Okay. Thank you again for serving. Thanks for spending your time here today. Just want to have a little dialogue with y'all. Um I'm the Wind Ranch property that's now presently on the east side of Palm Wind and Meadow Oaks. I have thirty-six acres left. of our original hundred and fifty acres since nineteen fifty three. A lot of you guys know where I'm at. So My main thing is I'm here to talk on the Sackleson
property because I use so much of these roads connecting. I see the fatalities, I see the handicapped people with no sidewalks, I see no lights. I see mothers taking their kids to the school buses, stops with no lights. It's pitch black. If you want to go on that map, I enjoyed you getting into that with the map and the connecting roads. Mr. Goldstein. When you brought up the maps. Can we bring up one of the maps on the aerials?
GreyChair
Maybe the one that shows the adjacent project.
Unidentified speakerVoice A
So when we did the palm wind discussion and all this, um Tropical breeze was not supposed to cut through to Fairwinds Road. That's off of fairwinds. I got a pin light here if I can learn how to d use it. I don't know where it went. There it is. Well it's not showing up on a TV. Anyways. Where the palm wind sign is, the M P E D. Uh tropical breeze was supposed to be an emergency access only. Oh is that yours? Cool. Thank you. Was originally supposed to be an emergency
You're right.
Oh it's backwards. It's the operator. Operator error. All right, forget it. I'm not I'm time I I don't wanna lose my three minutes. Anyways, tropical breeze was not supposed to cut through to Fairwinds Road. Disappointingly, Captain Starkey s came up here during the c uh Board of County Commissioners meeting and said we're gonna put a gate there. It held up the project for three months 'cause they had to buy the property. And I wasn't trying to delay the project. I wasn't trying to be difficult. But they made it. the developer buy that property and then connect at the
fair wins. Fairwinds Road cannot sustain this. They've already got Maxfly, which is where the new Meadow Oaks entrance is gonna be going out at Hudson Avenue near the church. Okay. So you've got Hudson Avenue to Maxfly, Maxfly to Fair Winds, Fair Winds to Banyan. Ban you into Sugar Creek Boulevard to fifty two. We just had a fatality at Sugar Creek Boulevard in fifty-two. Okay. I know I'm sure there's been more. Then you got Fairwinds Road going to Colony, Colony to Fox Fire, not
Firefox. Peachtree to Hudson Avenue. Now we know those S curves guys on Peachtree and Foxfire are brutal. A friend of mine flipped his car there years ago. Um The flooding is another issue that we need to look at because I don't know some of you old timers remember. The original Hudson Avenue was Hamilton Road, which is now Suave, which comes into the Angeles. That's where Palm Road or Palm Development exits on that S curve, which is extremely dangerous. They've already widened
it and it's already uh just gonna be a mess in the hap in the um in the making. A couple more features. The twenty fifty and I go to all the twenty fifty meetings, I've been on the CAC, I've been on all these meet committees. Colony Road is a vision road. There's no funding, but yet they keep stacking these new developments in there. And they're choking us out, they're causing flooding. People's peace and quiet. We're gonna lose some of it, right? I don't wanna be New York City. I didn't live here in Pasco my whole time to be like New York City. But There's
some of these developments. I got eight developments in our immediate area, guys, from Hudson Avenue to Hicks Road. to Hayes. eight developments. That's over a thousand homes that are just right there with no infrastructure at all. The other issue was Meadow Oaks was approved like fifteen years ago. And then when it was approved it was idled 'cause of the economy. Well they just went ahead and put their plans in and started developing the two hundred and sixty-five homes And then you had You know, Taylor Morrison go, you have this one and all these other things.
Now I'll finish up here. here. Your time's time is up, so you need to wrap it up. Okay.
rumor that the Girl Scout camp is pending sale. That could hold 200 homes. And in closing, our crystal ball that we all look at is the flooding that happened in Trinity this last time. So thank you for your time and um if However we can be of service and work with you, we'd love it. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you for coming.
Liam Devine
Is there someone else? We have um Marcia. Signed up?
Connected City
Oh vale.
Unidentified speakerVoice C
She wants to.
GreyChair
So Ms. Harris. All right, Ms. Harris, if you give us your own. Name and address please, and tell me if you've been sworn.
Unidentified speakerVoice C
I have been sworn in on Von Denisha Harris. My address is [address removed]. Okay. Thank you. And our concern is like we spoke about the traffic and I moved here from Tampa to get away from traffic and it's everything is just growing at a rapid rate. We already have one subdivision being built down the street. And my thing is when you come out on colony to 52. If you if you're going west, you got to go all the way over to the third lane to make a U turn.
It's not like the traffic light is there. So with the traffic building. We already have an issue when you get there waiting to go out to make this U-turn. When you come home, same thing, you got to make a U-turn. to come back down to Colony. And then on Pea Tree, Pea Tree goes out to Hudson Avenue. Same thing. No traffic light. You're just sitting there waiting. for the traffic to clear, for you to make the right or the left. And it div it's already increasing
with the amount of time it takes us to get out of our homes and get where we're going. And when they put all these homes in our traffic is gonna be I don't see how we're gonna be able to even leave home and get back home. And then we have kids that walk to the bus stops and things and there's no lighting there. So it's a lot of issues for this small area to take on all this extra these extra subdivisions. And then I'm definitely concerned about the the flooding. Once they add any subdivisions.
And they could tell you during the last two storms, we did not flood. We did not and if they start putting these subdivisions in, where where's the water going?
Barbara Wilhite
Mm-hmm.
Unidentified speakerVoice C
To our properties. So I would just like for all that to be considered and If you look at the map and see how tight the road and things are, when they had all these people, where where are we going? How are we gonna get out? How are we gonna enjoy? Our piece of pri um paradise.
GreyChair
Where do you live there?
Unidentified speakerVoice C
I live [address removed]. I mean
GreyChair
on the map.
Unidentified speakerVoice C
I'm not far from where where the that entrance would be. And then they're saying that has one way in and one way out, so all the traffic would come out onto Fox Fire and Colony. I don't that is I don't see how that's gonna work out.
Moody
Can I ask you a question?
Unidentified speakerVoice C
Yes.
Moody
So when you go down colony and you have to make that U turn at fifty two, where are you going?
Unidentified speakerVoice C
Where am I going? Usually to work.
Moody
Okay. And where do you go get groceries?
Unidentified speakerVoice C
This Everything is like in that same area where we have to do everything.
Moody
No jobs, no anything
Unidentified speakerVoice C
like that,
Moody
right? No. It's all down you gotta get down to fifty.
Unidentified speakerVoice C
And Pasco is like all these people are moving here but it's not a lot of good jobs there. So people are traveling to work, so you have all this traveling Oh where people have to travel a hour, two hours to get to a decent job, then travel back. So that's even more congestion in traffic.
Yes.
Moody
You can't make a left turn there, right? If you wanna go to the Sun Coast Parkway, you can't make a left
Unidentified speakerVoice C
turn.
Moody
Right. You can't go to the Wind Dixie that's now gonna be an Al Dcause you gotta go down the road and make a U turn.
Unidentified speakerVoice C
You gotta go make you gotta make a U turn. Right. And I see the difference even now.
Moody
I'm not trying to get you in trouble by saying this. Do you cut through the Dunkin' Donuts and the family dollar over to the Shadow Ridge entrance to get to the median opening? But that's that
Unidentified speakerVoice C
that's too but I mean, but even if you do that, you still got to sit there and wait until it's clear. Absolutely. So it's like either way, because if you use the GPS, it's try to send you through the neighborhood. And I don't always want to be driving through somebody's neighborhood just to get to a road. that increases their traffic also. And so it's like, yeah, the way you say it is even worse than trying to do the U turn.
Moody
It'd make sense if there was a A full intersection there at Colony Road and not
Unidentified speakerVoice C
eventually it's gonna have to be because it's getting and you know even when you're coming home it's almost impossible you're holding up traffic so long waiting to do that U turn because the traffic on fifty two has increased at such a volume. So that's um that's that's my main That's the main thing. Like I said, I lived by bush gardens for twenty years and I left there for that reason. It's like okay. I don't want to leave there and come here. And end up in the same situation. So thank you for your time and I hope you consider everything
that that we said. Thank you. Thank
GreyChair
you. Thanks.
Good afternoon.
Unidentified speakerVoice D
Good afternoon. I think there was a supposed to be a Tammy that was gonna make a phone call in.
Liam Devine
Tammy is virtually online. We're gonna go through everybody else in the room first and then go to Tammy.
Unidentified speakerVoice D
Okay. I just wanted to double check. Sorry. My name's Marcia Casimaric. I live on uh um [address removed]. I live directly across From what is Uh being planned directly my driveway to their driveway.
GreyChair
And you've been sworn?
Unidentified speakerVoice D
Yes, sir.
And I'm very concerned this is gonna impact My agricultural my my property's ag. I've been there for over a quarter of a century.
I picked that property because I didn't want to live in a subdivision. I didn't want to post postage stamp. Neighbor's right next to me. I want it acreage.
GreyChair
How many acres do you have there?
Unidentified speakerVoice D
There are five acres. I have horses. I have dairy goats that are showgoats. The horses are retired show horses. One is thirty this year? One is um Upper twenties?
I'm happy. I mean this is where I put my roots. We have show goats, we have show sheep. They're all dairy. We've ran four H off of my property.
F F A, that's I've just donated uh a small La Mancha registered goats to them. Mm-hmm. It it's agricultural. This is gonna affect us.
Are these neighbors gonna th their entrance is gonna be right, like I said, dead across the street. I come in with a twenty foot livestock trailer or my Uh twenty foot. Aluminum horse trailer It's gonna be fun for me to get in and out. Even the fact of My animal's making noises. Who's gonna call and make complaints? Oh my god, you got goats over there doing the dirties? Uh It's
agricultural. That's gonna be residential.
I have children that walk down the road to the bus stop.
There's no lights. They leave at six thirty five in the morning. Do I stand out there? Most of the time.
Unidentified speakerVoice E
Mm-hmm.
Unidentified speakerVoice D
I've had my property on the right side of it. Right? Uh not quite in the middle. It would be the east side of my driveway. uh I'm gonna say ten years ago. Not paying attention, the car came plowing through. I had a six month old Philly? And her mom. Out in that front paddock. Luckily I was home. Because they flipped. Crazy. All of a sudden crash
boom bang and you know my horses are going nuts 'cause there's a car in the front yard.
I had to grab both and move to a back paddock. Now my my how am I gonna protect my animals?
Moody
Okay.
See accidents at Fox Fire and Colony?
Unidentified speakerVoice D
Yes, sir. Huh.
Moody
Do people Do people repeatedly run off the road trying to make the ninety degree turn from Foxfire to Colony?
Unidentified speakerVoice D
Yes, sir.
Moody
Okay.
Unidentified speakerVoice D
Same thing at Peach and Foxfire. That's why they have fixed the Girl Scout camp. If you drive down there, they've got all new Bob wire fencing up again.
Moody
Yes. And you've seen people go off the corner at Fox Fire and Peachtree over the embankment into the Girl Yeah. Okay.
Unidentified speakerVoice D
Yeah, and this is really gonna affect because you're promised Colony Road, that's not in the plans for twenty years.
W when is that?
Moody
And when you go grocery shopping, which way do you go?
Unidentified speakerVoice D
I go both ways. It depends on the time of day.
Moody
Where do you normally head to?
Unidentified speakerVoice D
I either head down to Down Hudson Avenue to Little Road, Republic's in Aldi's. But like I said, it depends on the time of day because to get out from Peachtree onto Hudson Avenue You sit there and you just wait and wait because there's so many cars coming any other direction. And the same thing going out off a fifty two. And yes, I do cut through Shadow Ridge sometimes. Right. But there's been a lot of accidents there, so I don't usually do
that. I usually will do the U turn if I'm gonna go up like when I take my daughter to school at Classical Purpery.
Moody
So there's a lot of accidents at Shadow Ridge in fifty two too. Yes, sir. Because people can't make a left turn from colony road onto fifty two.
Unidentified speakerVoice D
No, because you can't tell if they're gonna make from colony lakes. If they're making a U turn, they're making a U turn at Shadow Ridge. So which w who's turning? It it's dodge the truck, dodge the car. I won't even come in that way. I g my husband laughs at me all the time. You got like an old lady. 'Cause I'll make a turn where There's a collar car lot there. I don't remember the name of the road. And I'll come in the back way to Colony Road. So I don't have to deal at Shadow
Ridge and making a U turn. If I'm coming from the nineteen direction.
GreyChair
Understood.
Unidentified speakerVoice D
Okay.
GreyChair
Thank you. Anybody else? Thank you.
Unidentified speakerVoice D
Thanks.
Liam Devine
I believe we have one sorry, Mr. Chairman for the room.
Unidentified speakerVoice F
Mm-hmm.
Good afternoon. Thank you guys. Uh appreciate all your time. Uh my name is Rivas Johns. I'm at [address removed]. Um Heh heh. This has been a long time dealing with this and and I'll tell you, you know, some of the things they're not showing on that map is uh if you bring that map up just a little bit more, there's another hundred and eighty six houses in a subdivision going right at Fairwinds. So that is all cleared out. Um about Four months ago when they were still doing the landwork
they hit a spring and flooded out everybody on the other side of 'em. All right. Now, with that being said, Um I'm up on a corner. Right. caddy cornered from where they're trying to come out for Foxfire Drive. Now it's called Shady Oak R uh Shady Oak's Ranches. It is a small neighborhood. But um The reason most people purchase there is because It was Shady Oak's ranches, it was small, it's zoned agriculture and you must have one acre or more to build. So when
they talk about it's mandatory that they have another exit to come out of Foxfire Drive. The problem I have with it is If you're gonna make an exit to go out Colony Road to Hudson Avenue That means that the exit or whenever they get ready to connect colony road. The builder doesn't have to pay for that. The taxpayers do. All right. So they're gonna go
and buy this property out So that it costs them less money to inconvenience us. and it changed our way of life. That's not right. And at the end of the day With all this building going around, we've already experiencing the flooding and the extra water and stuff in the ditches and around our property. It's not settling in. Now there's at least four of us. on the corner and around the corner they're having troubles with our septic tank because the water's not draining the way it should because of all the developments. Now, I don't
know about you, but I know a new septic tank if you don't put a lift station in is over ten grand. You know, w why should I have to pay for that? Why they sit around and get rich off of building all these communities and inconvenience at everybody else. That means I'm gonna end up having to call and uh get flood insurance eventually. So With all this being said,
I don't understand why they can't connect. From Colony Road and connect it back to Colony Road, and that gives them their entrance. Therefore, we don't have all this traffic shooting out on Fox Fire. Let them pay for something for once. You know what I mean? But I thank you guys all for your time. I know my time's up. I don't wanna steer in another direction, but there is so much going on here and so much wrong with this that it really needs a second and a third look at. And I believe that extension that they're buying these people's
houses for With something added and something new. But thank you very much. I appreciate everybody's time. Thank you.
GreyChair
Okay, can let me ask you a quick question. What where do you s where is your house?
Unidentified speakerVoice F
On this matter here. Right there. Where is
GreyChair
it?
Unidentified speakerVoice F
Right on the corner. And they had to move the telephone poles because there was so many accidents they moved them down to my side of my house.
GreyChair
I'd be surprised you're having trouble with your septic tank, that's pretty high
Unidentified speakerVoice F
ground there. It well it is, but them, me, the people next to me, because all these subdivisions. And what they've done with the dirt if they've raised it three to eight feet above the roadway. So therefore, you know, your original plans that you show if you bring them up, you'll see all the way that it you know, that it will actually flow. But When you build all this and you move all that darn, it changes the flow for the people that are not moved. That's the reason when you guys do your
flood Planes, it changes about every three to five years. Why? Because the people that have been there for fifteen or twenty years don't move. Everybody else does. So therefore it causes flooding inland. or in the areas that don't you know, that are still lower because you're building all these buildings up. So that's part of the problem. Because now the water is sitting there. When you have a rainstorm, it doesn't want to seep into the ground anymore. And I believe that's what the problem is.
GreyChair
Okay.
Unidentified speakerVoice F
So I'm sorry I didn't mean to cut you off, Mr.
GreyChair
Mm. Fine.
Unidentified speakerVoice F
Anybody
GreyChair
else? Thank you.
Liam Devine
Mr. Chairman Mariano. Yes. We do have one individual signed up online, Tammy Young, if we can unmute her and promote her for access so she can speak.
GreyChair
Ms. Young, are you here available?
Unidentified speakerVoice E
Yes, sir. Can you hear me?
GreyChair
Yes. Uh could you give us your name and address and then we'll swear you in?
Unidentified speakerVoice E
Tammy Young. [address removed].
GreyChair
Okay, and if you'll raise your right hand we'll trust you to do that and uh Uh repeat after the uh clerk, please.
Unidentified speakerVoice G
Do you swear or affirm the testimony you're about to give is the truth, so help you God.
GreyChair
I do. That was easy.
Unidentified speakerVoice E
I do uh I do appreciate your time um for letting me speak. Um So I I'm coming to you today. Um some of my neighbors and myself are opposed to the planning housing development that we believe will cause um more traffic and safety problems, um, possibly destroy local wildlife in this area and potentially lower our property values. Um So concerning the traffic and
safety, uh just to add on to Ms. Harris, um as we do could go out the that way down Colony to 52, uh I do work in Newport Ritchie, so I have to make a U-turn there and I usually typically go down Moon Lake Road to my job. Now there's a stop sign. On there and there's three lanes of oncoming traffic that have fifty five mile an hour. speed limits.
Um typically Um it's it people travel uh higher speed limits down there as I see. Um so that is a concern of mine as well. Um trying to make that U-turn. It would be awesome if uh you could possibly put a light there or maybe a four-way stop. Um to help with um some of the difficulty as to coming out on to fifty four uh fifty two. I would also like
to speak about the wildlife. As I bought I bought my place five years ago here as a single mom, I w was looking for some acreage, do have a one-acre lot. I could have bought in a brand new uh housing development, uh, but that's not what I want. And from my life or my kids. So I have property here, and just this morning
I'm
teen peacocks in my front yard. Um I see owls. Um I also have uh woodpeckers. Um so I I'd I would like to request um that maybe an investigator be appointed uh by appropriate agency to investigate uh the area for endangered
this how this development starts um building. Also I'd like to talk about the property values.
I was disappointed to to see that this entrance is going to be within walking distance of of my driveway.
I'm also concerned about the flooding in the area as well. Um, I mean I do have a manufactured home on my property that sits up, sits up high. I've never had to worry about flooding. Um But I I am concerned with uh the building of this development, having to build up the land back there. Um so the this development is uh is right behind
my home. Um, so I'm concerned about that as well. I do ask uh you to take um into consideration these things um that I spoke about and my neighbors as well. Um Thank you so much for giving me this time.
GreyChair
Okay. Hold on just a minute in case we have any questions, please. Let's see. Any questions from up here?
Yeah. No?
Okay. Thank you very much for uh coming on and we'll take your uh concerns into account and We'll uh also we're gonna bring the uh applicant back up to respond to some of your concerns. Okay. Yes sir.
Barbara Wilhite
Good afternoon again. Barbara Wilhite for the applicant. One thing I I want to make clear is that our entrance is off of Hudson Avenue. We are constructing that portion of our entrance actually we're constructing to Colony Boulevard Vision Road standards. But our entrance is off of of colony and we're constructing that entrance off of colony. We are interconnecting to Foxfire because the code requires us to continue street patterns. under nine oh one, section nine oh one of the code. With regard to
wildlife, we had to do a wildlife um assessment at the time of zoning. Staff is going out and very carefully. Um I know there's a staff person now that's been hired on county staff that's going out and checking. checking as well. And then when we come to do a preliminary development plan and develop We have to redo that study because it's only good for eighteen months. if there's any gopher tortoises, there's a whole process because they are protected for gopher tortoises. So there's a lot that goes on with regard to
wildlife. There's a lot that goes on with regard to stormwater as well, as our many engineers here on the um on the the board know.
Lowering property values, the these homes will be expensive homes. Um The other thing I would point out is that you and you can see the development pattern that's that is coming along. You can see palm winds actually has smaller lots. This this is the res three land use designation. And as Mr. Wynne said, he did participate in the cap the comp plan for these areas, as did I, as did I. That would have been in 2005-2006,
probably, the last time we had a CAC for a comp plan update. Obviously, there's now the 2015 update going. This area was is designated Res 3. This prop this this is not rural. It wasn't designated agricultural. So when you see that in the comprehensive plan, you see an area designated Res three, you're going to see this type of development. Actually, and we are at the lower end of the development with what we're proposing because we're proposing the lots. We are going to be
on, we will not be on septic, we will be on water and sewer. There's water and sewer. The infrastructure is already there in place for us to have water and sewer to this project. Again, that's an investment in infrastructure that's been made. Um So we will be using that investment. We will be continuing the investment by extending and paying to have water and sewer in our project.
Connected City
I was going to ask about that, Barbara. So where is the current water and sewer infrastructure?
Barbara Wilhite
Going to have to look at one of my technical team members.
Unidentified speakerVoice F
Except for the Windsor Calling.
Unidentified speakerVoice B
Stephen Sposato with uh level up. Thank you. Yeah there we the project will utilize uh public water and sewer. I think sewer will be extended from the south along from Fairwinds up to the site, and then then there's water um on uh Hudson.
Connected City
Okay. Yeah, I knew they would need it for the Palmwoods development Palm Winds development as well, so
Moody
Barbara. Can you explain the continuation of the street pattern? I'm trying to understand how making the connection to Foxfire continues a street pattern. What pattern are we continuing?
Barbara Wilhite
You're taking Fox fire that is a street and you're and you're connecting to it with our streets? And that's a continuation.
Moody
To what for what purpose? What I'm looking at this map and I'm seeing okay if the grand plan is to widen Colony Road and make it a four lane road that goes between fifty two and Hudson Avenue. What am I gaining by having that little entrance on Fox fire when f Colony Road will be kinda the main Road. I'm I'm not understanding the purpose.
Barbara Wilhite
Well I didn't write the regulation. we get to to um comply with it. It's it's L D C nine oh one six D eleven.
Christopher Poole
So that
Barbara Wilhite
would
Christopher Poole
be fire access only? That's no
Barbara Wilhite
it's it's
Christopher Poole
continued the
Barbara Wilhite
it is required to have a full connection. When you have an existing street at this a that's a standard road, the board's regulation that the board adopted says that you have to connect your streets to that existing street. And that is what we are doing. We get the comment all the time. We get asked by it by the the staff gets asked. They can speak for themselves. They get asked about it all the time. Did by the board to enforce this section of the code.
Moody
I I understand that and I understand it's in the code. But I I can think of examples. throughout the county. And I'm thinking about even somebody who buys in this neighborhood. So I live out here. I go up colony to Hudson Ave and I make the hard left ninety dangerous ninety degree turn on Fox Fire and Peachtree and I'm not sure how that's standard, but Nonetheless.
And when I'm going there. It's usually 'cause I'm headed out towards Hayes Road or trying to get over to Shady Hills Road. So why would I drive all the way down Fox Fire, make a hard right turn on Peachtree, to make a hard right turn on Hudson Avenue to go back toward Shady Hills I could just cut right through this neighborhood. think those people in that neighborhood would like me cutting through Making a shortcut out of their residential street. And I can see where we've done
this in the county all over the place. I'm not saying it's your developer's fault or your fault. Think about Fox Hollow Drive. Or Jasmine Boulevard. Mm-hmm. These were nice residential. residences that faced Jasmine or that fronted on Fox Hollow Drive. and now they're cut through streets from US nineteen to Little Road. In both cases.
and the people's lives, the people's homes Who front those now cut through streets, are not well maintained. Nobody there with nobody wants to live there that has children because they're going to get hit by a car.
You've got You've created de facto highway through people's front yards that were quiet little neighborhoods. So I understand the code may require it. I question some of the wisdom of it. I understand why one might want to create a grid network of streets. But I don't think we should do that at the expense of people's peaceful enjoyment of their property, I mean When I see this I'm concerned for the peaceful enjoyment of the people who might buy on that street that connects to Foxfire
because I know I'm gonna use it as a shortcut, because it's gonna be a while before colonies connected. There's There's a s section between Fox fire And the end of your property. That's all one and two acre parcels back there that Unfortunately, you know, nobody's gonna come in and develop a one acre MPUD down there, so that means the county's gonna have to condemn those properties to ultimately to Make that connection. I'm actually even questioning I know it has nothing to do with your case. What
the heck is the point of making Colony Road a four lane roadway from nowhere to nowhere? Then you can't make a left or a right turn. You can't make a left turn when you get to fifty two? I'm trying to figure out what is the purpose of this. Somebody saw a black line on the map and said, Hey, let's put a four lane road here for what purpose?
Connected City
For it to make sense they'd have to make a cut of fifty two
Moody
and uh probably put a light in there. I agree. And now there's a there's a family dollar on the corner of fifty-two and a d new Dunkin' Donuts that's about to open on the corner of fifty-two. And you know how I make a left turn on fifty two? I cut right through those parking lots and I I see lots of people doing it every day. So now we've made a highway out of a parking lot. over to the entrance of Shadow Ridge. My personal preference when I look at this thing Is that Would the developer would
would you as the applicant, assuming the board didn't enforce their continuation policy? Would it be a problem just to make this an emergency access only?
Does that create a problem for the developer to do that?
Barbara Wilhite
We have designed it to meet the code. If the Planning Commission wants to make whatever recommendation to the board, but you put us in a position where we have the board telling us this is a regulation. And they want it enforced by their staff and the developers. Well,
Moody
no one's
Barbara Wilhite
saying
Moody
anybody did anything wrong.
Barbara Wilhite
Yes, but I'm what I'm saying is that you want to make a recommendation to the board about that, but I'm not gonna I'm going to move forward with the project and our request, which is to comply with what the code says. It's ultimately up to the board, it's their regulation. So
'Cause then if I say it's emergency only and then the board and then we have the fairwind situation where we're then Somebody agreed emergency access, and then the Commission said, No, we want it to be accessed. So it needs to be decided by the Commission.
GirardiVice Chair
She doesn't want to be in the same box as that Clark Hobby was with Formally the MPUD because the the Palm One and P D came in Requesting that their connection to Fairwinds be emergency. And The board basically overturned it and said no it's going to be full access and in that case They had to go out and buy property to make it a full access. That's not the case here. I mean at least they don't have to go buy property. And by the way, I think Fairwinds is not a standard road.
No it's not. I mean
so
Moody
I'll beg to differ about that, but that I'm not sure.
GirardiVice Chair
Steve Henry can get up and confirm whether it is or it is not a substandard row, but The agenda memo says that it's
Barbara Wilhite
it was I I saw the emails with staff and and Steve That it's a standard road.
GirardiVice Chair
My my only point is is that if the board required a full connection in Palmwood to a substandard road that was originally supposed to be emergency I
She doesn't want to be stuck. In the same boat as Palmwind. Embalman got continued multiple times because of this issue. So I'm not sure it's fair to the applicant because And then do with all due respect, I understand you have a difference of opinion. But I hate to see the applicant be penalized. because you have a difference of opinion than the board.
Moody
Well how well first off we there's been no motion on the table.
GirardiVice Chair
Okay.
Moody
And what I asked is does it hurt her developer? Does it hurt this development? the marketability of the development, the value of the development, the ability to develop the property, if the access is an emergency access. That's the question I asked.
Connected City
And ultimately that's gonna become moot once colony is connected, because then that's where the traffic's gonna go.
Moody
Then
Connected City
it won't matter. That connection really won't matter.
GreyChair
But that prob that couldn't might not be for fifteen years. That's true.
Connected City
That's true.
GreyChair
But you know, and the thing is is that whatever we decide. peop the people that are already there now are gonna have to live with it. And uh So
We just need to think that through because And that's what I try to do is look m if I l if I live there, how would I feel about it?
GirardiVice Chair
Yeah, I mean if you don't I mean if the Planning Commission doesn't think this density is appropriate for this area, that's a different question. But I mean in terms of the
GreyChair
I'm only concerned about the access to Fox fire. That's really the only thing that concerns me. I think they've uh pr provided for water re ret retention and they they've done the wildlife study and they've done all the things they need to do and they're co and they're complying with the county regulation on the access to Foxfire. I'm just
GirardiVice Chair
I guess
I'm not going to be able to
make whatever recommendation you want on that issue, but I have some concerns with you forcing the developer to request a deviation from the code. That they never asked for.
Moody
Well we haven't asked that yet.
Go ahead, Barbara, you can answer the question. The question is is there any if this were to be an emergency access only, does this make this property less developable, less valuable? Is there some reason other than because the code requires it, that that would be objectionable to the developer.
Barbara Wilhite
The reason why the connection is there is to comply with the code. So th that's my answer.
GreyChair
Okay. So it's so it's not to benefit the developer, it's Because she's compliant with the code.
GirardiVice Chair
Well, I will tell you that in the case of Palm Wind and I realize it was a different situation If you were here, he probably would say that it did adversely affect his development to have to change course midstream on this issue.
Moody
Right, but in that case you're saying he had to go buy property or He had to go
We haven't asked yet. I just asked the applicant if that was was going to s in some way detract from the development. But the only difference is if it were a regular connection or an emergency only connection would be A gate or a sign? I mean
GirardiVice Chair
I mean, I think that's a good idea Th the there probably is a different I don't know if they could design it the way they d they'd have to have some kind of T type turnaround at a minimum there. They could they'd have to redesign The way that I don't think th they'd have to redo their binding concept plan. I don't think they could It'd have to have a way for people to turn around there. I
Barbara Wilhite
don't
GirardiVice Chair
know if they would lose a lot or not. I mean Barbara, you may
Barbara Wilhite
have to get with my team but We heard about peach tree in Hudson. Wouldn't I have wouldn't my traps trips if they don't go on Fox fire, wouldn't they go to that intersection?
Right now we have the interconnectivity, so it gives you multiple ways to go, which is why that is written by the by the way. This is why that code section, my understanding of why it's been written. It's been around a long time. But if we don't have an Connectivity to Foxfire. then our our way to get to colony is via peach tree. So again, that's why the board does this. The Board has this policy because they want traffic to have different ways to go.
Moody
And that's fine. So
Barbara Wilhite
that's
Moody
the
thing that's the right thing.
I think the Board
That's great. And it works great. Jamie, in your neighborhood in River Crossing Boulevard, where homes do not front on River Crossing Boulevard. That continues the existing street pattern, it gets you out to Starkey, it gets you out to Decubelus, but it doesn't destroy the peaceful enjoyment of somebody's property. What I'm saying and I understand this has nothing to do with you or your development is that particular policy when we take it down to the residential street level destroys people's
quality of life. Go look at Fox Hollow Drive. That's that's the one of and Jasmine Boulevard. That is one of the poster childs for making a residential street a cut-through street. street. Destroys the property values, it destroys the aesthetics. It's not a place where families want to live, and I question that policy. I'm not criticizing this development or you or your developer for following what the code is, I'm saying
to the staff and to the board. if we're applying that policy to the point where it's a detriment to the value and the peaceful enjoyment of people's property, then we need to relook at the p the that policy.
And I've said that here before. The other thing I've said in here before. When we were talking about palm winds and I think it's Brighton Park or whatever the name of the D R. Horton development is down there at Fair Winds and Colony. That the developer managed to flood everybody out while he was digging his retention ponds there for a few weeks?
You're putting all this traffic on Colony Road, Has anybody been down to the DOT and said, How are we gonna undo this mistake we made 30 years, 40 years ago? When because we didn't like a nudist colony, on Colony Road that we cut the access off to Colony Road to give an exclusive access to Shadow Ridge. Well now we're getting all this development on Colony Road. And we got a whole we're planning on making it a four lane roadway down between
Hudson Avenue and fifty two. and there's no way to make a left turn. Everybody's forced to make a U turn. And I'm gonna t and I realize you don't you guys don't control what the D O T does for decisions. I live right around the corner and I use Lakewood to get out to fifty two and you just cut off our access there too. so that we can have an exclusive left turn into a three story climate control building that literally has zero traffic and now nobody in our neighborhood can make
a left turn out of any of the connecting streets in our neighborhood. We can't make a left turn to go get groceries. We have to cut through the parking lot of a Dunkin' Donuts and a family dollar so we can get over to Shadow Ridge and try to make a left turn out there and to the ladies point, If you've ever s I I'll to in fact tonight I'll take a video of that and send you as you see twenty cars piled up in that median opening and there are nonstop accidents
there. That needs to get fixed. I'm not against development of this area and I understand it's res three and eventually there probably will be more development. But somebody needs to be looking at from a long range transportation planning, what you're gonna do. These houses are imminent. Somebody needs to fix that intersection at calling it fifty two. I don't know whether that's the county or the DOT or you need to work together, but some transportation planning needs to happen here or this is gonna be a major traffic disaster.
GirardiVice Chair
So I don't do we have transportation somebody from transportation engineering It's available that can at least discuss. What? If the vi once the Vision Road is built What? the county would do and or D U T would do with that intersection?
Connected City
Mr. Poole is here in the audience. Well you want.
Yeah some earlier.
GirardiVice Chair
He's
GreyChair
hiding back there.
GirardiVice Chair
Is there some way that we can pull up a graphic that shows Um That intersection so that
Will has it when we have it when we're talking.
Will Poon
Uh good afternoon. Well Penny. Transportation engineering department. So I'll do my best to address your question there. Um obviously we would work. With the D O T. I mean we're we're We recognize those concerns that was mentioned before and what you had mentioned too, John. Uh but obviously You know, and looking at this You know, we would definitely, you know, coordinate with the DOT and figure out. Uh what can we do? I mean there even been some discussions about it, even with the current
conditions. So we can look into it, I think. Since now it's kinda more You know, relevant to trying to address it.
Moody
But If there's not so is there's no imminent plan to fix this?
Will Poon
No, not right now currently, no not based on the
Moody
So then would it be a good idea to increase the density and all of the traffic at that intersection with no Plan in the works to fix the operational problem of that intersection?
Will Poon
Well obviously I mean as as you see these developments are coming in so we kinda obviously have to work with uh the uh development services and planning services, transportation planning Brupe. and and figure out and work together to address those concerns. I understand. Well I
GirardiVice Chair
will say though the And again I'm trying to The Planning Commission needs to be fair to this applicant. I mean It seems to me that that
Moody
I said this when Palm Winds came in. This isn't the first time I said this.
GirardiVice Chair
So I'm saying, I mean, I mean just relative just relative magnitude, I mean the number of lots that this MPD's approving compared to Paul Wynn's and putting on Connor Rhode just seems to be a little bit more than a little bit. Minor. That being said Um I mean, I think that's a good thing To your point, Mr Moody, we do have the power of eminent domain, so if we needed to acquire property to fix that intersection When we connect colony road, that
What that's my point is that it it's I mean I don't uh I can't tell where the traffic lights are on fifty two currently, but There's none there. I mean so I don't know that there's a spacing reason why you couldn't have a tropical external moonlight,
Connected City
right?
Yeah, paradise point in the one direction and moonlight the other way.
School District Representative
But there's a full median opening at Shadow just to the east of this, correct?
Connected City
Right.
GirardiVice Chair
Right here. Right. So D O T closes full meeting openings all the time.
Moody
Right. And it's become It's become horrible for those people. They're they can't make a left turn to go anywhere and now people Well people are using parking lots. We cut through parking lots to get over to a place where you can get to A median opening.
GirardiVice Chair
I guess my only point is that and Mr Poone didn't come out and say it, but that issue could be fixed. Does that mean there's no There's no reason it couldn't be fixed.
Moody
Well I don't I'm not saying I think it can be fixed and it ought to be fixed. And it's probably unfair to ask Mr. Poon the question. Maybe it's the staff the question. Why should we approve and developments and increase of density if we don't have a plan to fix a traffic problem.
And I'm not saying I won't approve this. But I'm asking that question. And it's not the first time I've asked a question. It's a problem. And he go look at the right-of-way. the number of lots. And then I'll ask you this other thing. Look at how many single family residences. front on Colony Road.
We're gonna turn this into a four lane roadway from nowhere to nowhere.
What are we gonna do? about those residences. How'd you like to live on a piece of property and we just decided to build a four lane road from nowhere to no from nowhere to nowhere. For the purpose of what? I nobody can answer that question. I'm trying to figure out what's the purpose of it. And I'm not saying we shouldn't do it, but I don't understand the purpose. What are you gonna what are we gonna do for all those people there? Just think about that we did that with Little Road. How'd you like to own a residence that used
to be on Plaza Drive and Posh Golden Acres and now you've got a six lane roadway as your front yard?
Connected City
Well we probably need more interconnects between Hudson and fifty two than what we have and That seems like a natural area to do it. There's no good answer to it. That's the problem.
GirardiVice Chair
I
mean
I don't have a good answer to your question, but this ha this happens all over the camp. I mean there's there's houses that front state room fifty four. Dade. What happens over time
Moody
is those get road fifty four goes from somewhere to somewhere. I'm trying to figure out
GirardiVice Chair
what's the first staff would say this road goes from Hudson to fifty two. For what? To provide north-south interconnectivity between the two roads. to accommodate the growth that's occurring in this area. But the reason the reason these roads are on our vision map is because we We projected that at the densities that our future land use allows in this area. You need more roads to accommodate it. That's right.
Moody
And we n and they need to be functional. When you get to the end of the road, you get to the state highway system, you
GirardiVice Chair
need to be able to make it.
GreyChair
But it can
be fixed.
Yeah, th these kinds of problems happen all over the place, bec like Belcher Road, Clearwater. They were that was a residential road. You know, and You just can't foresee sometimes in the future. But obviously, you know. Colony Road, in my mind. would be a natural connection going north. Because it's always Uh but you gotta do it, you gotta put it in and you gotta put the light there to m to to really accomplish anything. And that's what I'm saying.
We got a future, we got a vision road there, but w what's the vision? When is it going to be done?
GirardiVice Chair
So I think Mr. Pitos wants to say something. He's had his hand up for a while. Oh I'm sorry.
Unidentified speakerVoice H
I just wanted to mention that uh collector roads Uh yes they can take people from point A to point B. But the the main idea of a collector is in the name. It collects uh development basically and directs them either to additional collector roads or to the ar arterials. That's what's happening in the case of Colony Road here, where Point A is actually in the midst of Hudson and State Road 52. It's all the neighborhoods that are linking to colony. And those
people then are able to get out to the collector road on Hudson or the Collect or the Arterial Road down on State Road 52. Um that's the main function of the of the collector itself. It's not unusual that homes open onto collector roads across the country, even here in Florida and in Pasco County. Um the the thing that I would add is that You know, if congestion is a concern, one legitimate solution to congestion is actually creating more connections and creating
a wider network. If this development were to connect Foxfire to uh Hudson Avenue, uh that would only add to the network of roads that are doing exactly the same thing, which is Foxfire to Peachtree, Colony to Fairwinds, even fairwinds to I think I think it's um Meadow Gulf Avenue to Win Lane. I'm looking at it from a very high level here. Anyway, the point is that there's a number of connections that are gonna
lead up to Hudson Avenue. So Keep that in mind in terms of what a collector can do and how congestion can be mitigated. Um I'm sure that Today we do not build collector roads that f that have residences fronting onto them with driveways, et cetera. Um but in the nineteen eighties it certainly was the case when these neighborhoods were developed that Colony Road was forming up to collect all of the neighborhoods,
including those residents that were fronting onto it.
Moody
Well, I've been here and I can tell you where Colony Road is and why it's named Colony Road. 'Cause it goes to a Dudas colony. That's why it's there. That's what its purpose was. It wasn't built as a collector road, it was built as a road to get to the nudest colony. Which I understand may be for sale now, but
Anyway, I'm try what I'm trying to point out is if we're going to develop this area, and I'm not again I'm not necessarily opposed to development in this area. I recognize it's future land use is res three. What I'm trying to say is Somebody needs to go solve a transportation problem before we have a transportation problem. That takes a Looking at it. Thanks, Will. Get it done.
GirardiVice Chair
Yeah. Go back to your department and ask them to look at the intersection of Colony Road in fifty two, please.
Will Poon
Yeah, yeah, we'll we'll we'll do that. Um we'll kinda contact F D O T also and kinda talk about it and so forth. Thank you.
GirardiVice Chair
So Barbara, uh one minor point. We talked about it earlier, but this connection to palm winds Um I did look at your M P D plan and it does show the connection. But it looks like it goes through At least on the M P D plan, it looks like it goes through land that you own.
Barbara
Mm-hmm.
GirardiVice Chair
And there's no right-of-way dedication requirement for that interconnect, so I think There needs to be. If it's if it's not going to connect directly to the colony road right away. There needs to be a right-of-way dedication condition to for that missing piece of
Barbara Wilhite
I agree.
GirardiVice Chair
A roadway.
Barbara Wilhite
I agree and I'll work on that condition with you and staff.
We we certainly don't we're here standing here, we're gonna do connectivity because the code requires it, but then we're gonna have a strip here that doesn't allow the
GirardiVice Chair
right we have a neighborhood to the east that actually contemplated this connection. Correct.
Barbara Wilhite
Correct.
GirardiVice Chair
So we need to make sure it actually occurs.
Connected City
Yeah. Yeah. Okay, yeah, I see what you're saying.
Barbara Wilhite
And we have the arrow on our MPD plan, but there could be a little bit of a gap there. So we need to make provision for that to make sure that we give the right of way so there's not a gap.
Connected City
Yeah, it looks like the car's through the little corner there.
Barbara Wilhite
Good eye. Certainly wasn't intentional. I don't do things like that, so We'll get it fixed.
GreyChair
Right.
Any more questions for Barbara?
Connected City
Right. Good catch, Dave.
GreyChair
Okay. So I think that was it for from the public, right? Any uh
School District Representative
motion.
I just wanted to echo what John's point about that calling everyone in fifty two. The people get off the highway there in the Sunkoast, they're going about sixty miles per hour on there. And um I drive that every day. There's also a curve there, so you can't really see where the cars are coming until they're right on you. So it's it's very dangerous and I just want to echo, you know, have the county look at that and if you could expedite that in any way. Yeah, look at
Connected City
signalizing it.
GirardiVice Chair
Does anybody know how much of the Palm One M P D is already built?
Moody
There are houses going vertical in there. I don't know whether all the streets are in but I know up close to Hudson Avenue you can see the new homes and there's there's still dirt being moved.
GirardiVice Chair
Yeah I'm just saying that given the board's decision to connect that project if airwinds It just seems like that's an issue that should be looked at. Uh unrelated to this M P I mean because look at the number of units that And Pollman that are approved will make that connection to Fairwind. That's gotta be three hundred units there? I I don't know how many Does anybody know how Pollyman was
Moody
approved for? But it's a lot more than this M P D. It was like three ninety or something like that. But there's another one, David, there at the corner of Fair Winds and
Barbara Wilhite
Three Nineteen.
School District Representative
Three nineteen. There's there's another one if you go further south at Fairwinds and Colony on the southeast corner. That's that subdivision is now complete and ready to go vertical. So that's a lot of
GreyChair
I think
Moody
that was a hundred and eighty. Was that a hundred and eighty? I believe so, yeah.
GirardiVice Chair
Yeah, I Mr. Moody, you my only point is you you made a point at the last meeting about Not punishing the current applicant for sins of the past. And to me the sins of the past here were that we approved the Palmland M P D and then the project you just talked about. Without the Addressing the colony fifty two intersection. This this seems like it's the just the
Is actually putting a very small number of units to a problem that was already.
Moody
I also said at the le at the previous meeting, because I ask a question, don't presume that I have to do it.
GirardiVice Chair
It is definitely
GreyChair
a problem that needs to be dealt with and s sooner better than better than later. Just another good act opportunity to bring
Connected City
it
GreyChair
up.
Christopher Poole
So all the all that said, I agree that Barbara's applicant shouldn't be penalized for this, so I'll make the motion to approve uh PC six. With David's uh suggested addition.
GirardiVice Chair
On the interconnectable ones.
GreyChair
Okay, we have a second. We have a second. Further discussion on the motion.
If not, all in favor signify by saying aye. Aye. Aye. Opposed like sign? Motion carries.
All right.
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Zoning Amendment (Consent) - … Infrastructure on Approximately 34.24 ~~acres.~~ Acres
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StarkeyChair
Mm. That can be confusing when you call a neighborhood of preserve. I I will entertain a motion. Approval. Second. All in favor? Aye. Aye. Opposed, okay, P thirty nine.
StarkeyChair
D thirty nine, we have proof of publication in the January eighth edition of the Tampa Bay Times, supplemented by affidavits of certified mailing and site postings.
Planning and Development staff
Good afternoon, William Vermillion, Planning, Development, Economic Growth, Item P thirty nine, PDE seventy-five, seventy-eight, thirty-one, or twenty-five. Uh before I proceed I'd like to enter an ex parte into the record for the clerk's office.
StarkeyChair
Do we need a motion for that? No. For exportation.
StarkeyChair
Yeah.
StarkeyChair
Anything for that? Just
StarkeyChair
we've got a bunch.
StarkeyChair
Okay, three times like this. Oh,
Oakley
I
Unidentified speakerVoice I
would do that. Thirty nine.
StarkeyChair
Still have our M S D.
Planning and Development staff
No, you're all good. Appreciate it.
This is a rezoning request from AR, Agricultural Residential to Master Planned Unit Development and PUD to allow for the maximum development of 63 single-family detached homes and associated infrastructure on 34.24 acres. Just south of Hudson Avenue.
Here's the location map south of Hudson Avenue.
Like I mentioned before, this is for 63 single family detached with the minimum lot size of 60 feet by 120. And associated infrastructure on that 34 acres in the northwest of Pasco County in the north market area.
Here is the location map. Just south of Hudson Avenue, extends down to Fox Fire Drive. The existing zoning showing AR agricultural residential.
And the future land use map.
Go on press three. Here's a context map. Of the location of this M P Um just to the east we have the Palm Wind MPUD that was approved about a year, year and a half ago for three hundred and nineteen single family homes that extends all the way down to uh Sheik's Road from the north or from the south all the way up to Hudson Avenue. And this shows Firefox Drive and the current end of Colony Road.
This M PUD with this master plan will be constructing a two-lane segment of the future colony road to their project access and then dedicating the rest down to the southern boundary as well as dedicating right of way for a connection from the Palm Wind imputee that can be sh that can be seen on the arrow there on the bottom or the right-of-way for Colony Road extends south.
A couple things with the the binding conceptual plan on this one. Staff worked with the applicant to ensure proper pedestrian circulation throughout this project. It is faint to see, but the applicant did provide A pedestrian interconnect. to the northwest as well as to the west in lieu of vehicular connections as they're seeking a variation from nine oh one sixty eleven street design and dedication requirements. those pedestrian interconnects flow through the entirety of the project as
it's currently laid out. To ensure uh proper pedestrian circulation for if and when those pieces of land are ultimately developed. Can can
MarianoVice Chair
you point to those?
StarkeyChair
Yeah, I can't see him on the map.
Planning and Development staff
Um
Sorry, the uh My pointer's not working. Um, do you mind will you drag the mouse over there for him? Yeah.
Double click it. Yeah. Yeah. Okay, let me go back. Sorry about that.
Oakley
Mm-hmm.
No. Apologies.
Planning and Development staff
All right. You be my driver. So Along that western edge where you there's the uh the curve in the road So the sidewalk comes in along the street and then there's actually a gap there in between Two homes. No no. So follow that south. And now through up.
No no.
Yeager
Why don't you take the mouse? Can I
Planning and Development staff
can I use the
Yeager
mouth?
Oakley
Yeah, it's gonna drive on the top.
I was gonna bad
Planning and Development staff
Mr. Siverson, will you please point out those pedestrian connections?
Okay, perfect. So cur now treat trace your arrow up along that road. Up colony, and then right there, stop, go down. The sidewalk will extend there off the road to a pedestrian connection to That parcel if it's developed, which will then be at the corner of Colony and Hudson. So it will be a prime redevelopment portion at the uh the corner of those two roads, but it will also extend north up Colony Road. And now, Mr. Siverson, please show us the
StarkeyChair
Is that wider than five feet? Is that a multi-use or a five foot sidewalk, which is one person and a dog? Not two people walking side by side.
MarianoVice Chair
So let me just
Mm do you mind ma Madam Chairman Mariano. So you're telling me the sidewalk goes up to kind of where the black line stops and comes back down, it doesn't go all the way up to Hudson Avenue.
Planning and Development staff
No, it it does both. It diverges in in sort of a a forking method, one going to provide the connection to that property. But also continuing north up to Hudson Avenue. So the direct connection all the way to Hudson Avenue. Yes sir. Okay. And then it also goes in between uh There's that corner lot there. Thank you, Kurt. Um the sidewalk will also Come off of that road in another forking manner to provide an interconnect to that property. just to the west and then
also continue along the the regular residential pattern. For if you're not going to be able to Um that property is developed. The reason a vehicular interconnect wasn't provided there, there's a significant elevation grade change that didn't permit um vehicular access, it wouldn't have been safe, but a pedestrian access would be feasible.
These are the exhibits for the colony road improvement that that hatched lining showing. the portion of the road that's gonna be constructed by the applicant for their project access. It's gonna be the the two lanes of the ultimate 124 foot segment that was approved by the the PD and E by the Board of County Commissioners some years ago, as well as the rest of the dedication of the 124 feet down to the southern property line. that pond of its highlighted up at the corner of Hudson. Yes. That
pond is roughly.
As it's gonna be holding uh water from Hudson Avenue and this uh this Vision Road. the the rest of the pond sites aren't credible.
Like I mentioned before, the variation from nine and one sixty eleven street design and dedication requirements In lieu of those vehicular connections Um to the west, we provided enhanced pedestrian mobility in lieu of that connection. as well as a variation from nine oh one two I, which I just spoke to Uh originally this was Uh expected to be 160 feet of right-of-way for Colony Road. After P D and E study was approved by the Board of County Commissioners, it was determined it needed to be reduced. To
124 feet, and this is consistent with that BCC route study for 124 feet of an urban cross section.
StarkeyChair
Can I may I ask that question? What is enhanced pedestrian? versus regular pedestrian.
Planning and Development staff
Enhanced as in They originally weren't going to provide the pedestrian connections to the west because of their pattern of the residential layout as well as to the northwest. when staff uh was in the negotiation process of the M Pud Initially we wanted full vehicular connections to the west. per the code nine one sixty eleven. Uh weighing the elevation different constraints. Staff decided that if a pedestrian connection was provided there, that
we were amenable to their variation from the code from a full vehicular access.
Oakley
Yeah.
StarkeyChair
I gotta look it up. Okay.
Okay.
Planning and Development staff
Thank you.
StarkeyChair
Applicant.
Barbara Wilhite
Do you all have my PowerPoint presentation?
Oakley
Sorry.
Oakley
Any motion for that one?
Barbara Wilhite
Yes, a if you would receive
Oakley
and file this PowerPoint.
Barbara Wilhite
All in favor?
StarkeyChair
Aye.
Oakley
Aye.
Barbara Wilhite
Don't have the number anymore. What number was it?
Thank you.
Staff did a very good job going through the details, so let me kind of just highlight a few things. I mean you can see our project here on Hudson Avenue. We always know where the schools are is important. So we've measured we've measured how far they are. They're more than two miles. Um our kids will be bused to those schools. This is the site plan which um William showed you. Showing we did a lot quite a bit of work. This one took work as well because we have a a Vision Road coming through. So we worked
with um the County Engineer and the County Attorney's Office on ultimately how we're gonna design um Colony Road. There was a difference between your right-of-way tables and your adopted PDE. So we are using the section from the PDE, which is a little different from your tables, but the PDE is more specific than your tables. We will be doing Colony Road, our portion from Hudson Avenue to our entrance and then donating the rest of the right-of-way. We will also there's also a little sliver which
David Goldstein caught at um at Planning Commission to make sure that Palm Winds, which is to our east, w can connect to future colony roads. So we actually have a little bit of extra right of way that we're gonna to um You convey as well so that palm woods can have connectivity to to uh colony road. Ultimately the land use in this is for this property is res three, this whole area is res three. Which allows a maximum of 102 units. We are
proposing 63. Current zoning is 34. We are also proposing 60 by 120 foot lots. Those are 7,200 square foot lots. Your R4 district, which is your most dense district of a the Euclidean district, are 6,000 square foot lots. Ultimately, again, talking about this area in context of developing the development and the growth in this area. You put a vision road in, which means you're com you're looking to have growth. You have a res 3 land use in
all of this area and central water and sewer. In context. In June of 2023, this board approved the Palmwinds MPUD, which you can see our project, how it complements. The Palmlands MPUD has 40 and 50 foot lots, 313 of them. Their gross acreage is two point six seven dwelling units per acre. To complement that, we are proposing sixty by one hundred and
twenty foot lots here at one point eight dwelling units per acre. So we thought it'd be important to see how the two projects fit. We will be providing a housing type that that's not um being provided over at Palmlands. This is D R B. Uh the client is D R B and they these are their elevations of some of their products. We included this because I think you'll find these products to be, you know What they call these are things step up, the sixty foot lots, the seventy two
hundred square foot lots, and and this is the step up renderings.
And with that, I know there's some public comment ultimately I n I would tell you that One of the things that probably will come up, which maybe we'll just talk about now, is that We have provided the interconnectivity that's required by the code. From our project to Foxfire Drive. Foxfire Drive is a standard county maintained road meeting your minimum standard requirements. Got asked a lot about this at at Planning Commission and I ultimately my answer is that Your
code says it. I get asked about it all the time, obviously. We just talked about connectivity for a while there. And that the reason why we have connectivity to Foxfire is that your code requires it. So it's 901.6.11. It allows for Additional traffic circulation, additional way way for traffic that's coming from the south. They don't have to go down Foxfire and then go over to Peachtree Road. They ultimately will be able to come through our project. providing different ways to get to Hudson Avenue, which is what your code's
encouraging, and that's why we have c the connectivity to um Box Fair Drive.
StarkeyChair
I ask I have a couple questions. Does anyone else? Um who is this the road section designed by Margaret? Who who designed this road section? I'm just curious.
Barbara Wilhite
A was ultimately a consultant for the P D and E.
StarkeyChair
I'm just trying to understand a five foot sidewalk and two eight foot bike lanes. And we had this debate at the T M A. I uh I I like to cycle, but I don't cycle with traffic. Yeah, I know some Dedicated cyclists prefer the road to the sidewalk, but if But I sure wouldn't let any of my kids ride in the road. So why are we devoting so much to the road and not enough to a multi use path? Even three feet more on the multi use
path. Uh
Barbara Wilhite
That's you, Mr. County Engineer.
Sun Coast
Uh Madam Chair, the typical section Actually that was as shown in the uh Route study that was approved by the board in two thousand two differs slightly from what's on the screen, but I agree with you.
StarkeyChair
Can we adjust this? I mean this isn't her, right? She's not building are you building this road?
Barbara Wilhite
We're building a portion of it.
StarkeyChair
Well then I definitely want to discuss this because I d this is not the road we should be building. If this was we designed this in two thousand two, it's n it's not right in Um I don't even understand some of this, so Can we I don't hold up your project. Um but we certainly can do better on the road. Right.
Barbara Wilhite
We have our engineer come up and talk engineering.
MarianoVice Chair
Madam Chairman
M Great pickup. Because I think if you were able to build that road a little narrower you get more of that road coming down to prob possibly make that connection. Sooner than later.
StarkeyChair
Well,
Maybe, but certainly that isn't the roadscape that we should be building.
Unidentified speakerVoice J
Trent Stevenson level up consulting, 505 East Jackson, uh Tampa, Florida. I have been sworn. Um this is the half section, so we're only building the western side. So um It's
StarkeyChair
four lanes divided?
Unidentified speakerVoice J
Yes, yes ma'am.
StarkeyChair
Oh wow.
Unidentified speakerVoice J
So we're only building the west side.
StarkeyChair
It's kind of big.
Unidentified speakerVoice J
On the east side, there will be a multi-use path when you guys come in and build the the ultimate section. There will be another uh multi-use path.
StarkeyChair
Okay, so this is a big road like little or Okay, I had no idea.
Unidentified speakerVoice J
So what what we do what we agreed with uh Nick when we went through our negotiations is the um because we are it only is only going to be a two-lane road until the ultimate build out, we are Adding an extra bike lane. So both directions will have bike lanes. That bike lane on the east side will be demoed when you come in and build the ultimate additional two lanes.
StarkeyChair
But I still wonder if we need this wide of a road section. And this is the debate we were having in V O P eight, right? This is a really ri wide road.
Sun Coast
Eight foot bite lanes or four. Madam Chair, if I could. Yeah. I so I think there's actually a a mistake in the graphic. The the typical section that was approved in 2002 had five foot sidewalks, four foot bike lanes. and twelve foot travel lanes. I think what they're now showing is four uh they I think they've mislabeled the bike lanes as eight feet instead of four. And they're showing a reduction from the travel lanes that were approved in the route study in 2002 from twelve to eleven. Honestly,
I I would love to have a a more protracted discussion with the board about what the typical sections should be that we are typically that we're going to construct on our Vision Road Network. There's a twenty nineteen resolution that the board adopted at that time directing my predecessor to build roads with on-street bike lanes every time we touched a road. And and then a twelve foot path on one side and a five foot path on the other side. If the board wants to revisit that, we can certainly bring alternatives back for
consideration. They do have implications with respect to comprehensive planning because we establish a footprint for our vision road network based on the components of the road that we expect to construct.
StarkeyChair
What is the two the what is the six foot offset? What is that? That's
Unidentified speakerVoice J
just green
StarkeyChair
space. And then we have a nine foot of green space. So we have fifteen feet. Not that I I love my tree, you know, if this is gonna have Oak trees going downside is gonna be a beautiful road, but do we need both of those green spaces?
Unidentified speakerVoice J
So real quick to clarify, the the bike lanes are actually per year detail uh five feet.
StarkeyChair
Oh well it says eight foot here.
Unidentified speakerVoice J
I don't know which one that is on the slide. The and again the uh your stable the uh Yeah, the greens that that's the detail from your ultimate build out as far as the
StarkeyChair
Well how can we move this forward but fix you know work on that? What's what would you be your recommendation from staff?
Barbara Wilhite
I guess we just have to work them on the crossing.
Sun Coast
If the board doesn't want this facility to be constructed with on street bike lanes, then we can narrow the roadway surface to just include the two foot curb and gutter on the left, two eleven foot travel lanes, stabilize shoulder on the right, and put the additional uh impervious area into the pathway on the west side. Make that either a ten or a twelve foot pathway on the west side.
StarkeyChair
But this is a main you know, and if that can, you know, meander a little through that green space, that's better. That'd be beautiful.
Barbara Wilhite
So our team is fine with is with The cross section that you guys are talking about ultimately it's your it's your road.
Pastor Jim
Yeah.
Barbara Wilhite
It's your cross section. So as long as we're not proposing anything that's gonna cost them more, which I don't think it will. No, I think we're talking about it. I think I think we're fine. We're fine with ultimately if you approve this, that we have a condition that or part of your motion that says But you're approving the cross section as as approved by the county engineer and then we'll just fix the paperwork before it's executed. So we're we're flexible because it is your road um and we respect that.
StarkeyChair
I I think that we should approve it with the conditions that we we don't have to figure out what our roads look like right right here right now. I don't think we should. But let's approve it with the conditions that we work on with our engineering and our state.
Barbara Wilhite
We'll come up with something for condition.
StarkeyChair
Okay. This is a public hearing. Does anyone want to speak to this item?
StarkeyChair
We we have numerous signed up. Uh Mr. Wynn.
Oakley
Okay.
Unidentified speakerVoice A
Good afternoon, elected officials. Clinton Wynn [address removed]. Um from this map it looks like invisible vision roads, not vision roads. Um I've got some bullet points here, but I'm not sure. Our roads, Ms. Starkey, are really important. So having a plan now before we do this is important. I'm gonna try and get through my notes. I'm not sure what um Ms. Will Hight was saying. that she's not her sure how Sackleson is gonna compliment
palm wind. You guys crammed palm wind through to fair winds. Um There are three different hearings. On the third and final hearing, you guys did not allow public comment. You went back, you day di delayed this ninety days. He'd opened up in the fair winds. Where we have no sidewalks. We have mothers and fathers walking their kids in the mud to the school bus. We have no infrastructure. We have fatalities at colony in fifty-two. We have fair winds now connected
through the colony. Bumper to bumper, no light. No street signs, nothing. You guys do a field trip and come to our neighborhood and see how it is. Um so I have a question about that. Um As you can tell I'm pretty heated. When Palm Wind was originally approved, it was approved for 305 homes, but now it was 319. Where did that change and who did that? There's twenty-two homes right now there. What I want to know is how the Shoman
property is being rezoned aggressive. into this development. This is a place called Shady Oaks Ranches, and it's comprised of thirty properties that are agricultural. These families invested They have animals and this is gonna affect code enforcement big time. So now do we have to now not be able to shoot? Not be able to clean. work out there on our property, have a bonfire. I was silenced by the county and to do a burn on my ag land Because of
the new development. So if there's ever a bonfire from some of the neighbors and it spreads through my pine tree forest, am I now liable? That's it that's unacceptable. I'm doing all my property to preserve my agricultural heritage here. Um I'm requesting a 90-day table this. Because I think you owe it to the residents.
Fox fire And Colony Road. Colony Road is a major issue, guys. We all know it. And then th this is an invisible road. Colony Road needs to be handled by the builders, not by the taxpayer or anything else. So all this development that you're bringing in there were not properly planted. And I'm gonna keep complaining on all my committees. Infrastructure, infrastructure, infrastructure. I also go to all your meetings The twenty fifty plan. I think that's just a pile of you know what. Because
I go, I draw little trees on all the pastures, I draw little animals, all the things you guys tell us to do as citizens, we put our time in. And it's ignored. So I know I come up here hostile. I'm not against development, so understand that. I want proper infrastructure. Thank you.
StarkeyChair
Ms. Kosmeric.
Mar
Unidentified speakerVoice D
Marcia
StarkeyChair
Kasmeric.
Unidentified speakerVoice D
Marcia Kasmeric. I live on [address removed]. And I am the property. You were sworn? Yes, sir.
Unidentified speakerVoice I
Okay. That's all you just need to say that.
Unidentified speakerVoice D
I live at Directly across from where they're Entrance? On Foxfire, and it is Foxfire for the record, not Firefox. Um
I raise sheep. Milk sheep. We also raise dairy goats. And them being um a housing development right across the street. Especially two story homes. They're gonna be seeing On the property? All kinds of things. And yes, we do have bonfires. I open up for four H clubs.
This is really gonna affect our lifestyles. I I didn't buy into a neighborhood, into a subdivision per se. But it's being brought to my doorste literally to my doorstep. Our properties Are parallel. Probably exactly across the street.
I've got kids that go to the bus stop. My son almost got hit two weeks ago. Because Of the traffic already. Because you opened up um what is that neighborhood called? Not Shadow Ridge? Meadow Oaks onto Fairwinds.
Now they come over and they they're gonna go to Hudson Avenue, so obviously they come up Colony Road. Foxfire, Depeach. The traffic, it's already there. Just from opening up. And I don't even oh, I think that was opened up maybe three years ago. And then I heard about the poem. I know I'm not sure if I have that. proper neighborhood that y'all have been talking about Home Windsor something. That comes all the way from Hudson Avenue
to Fair winds. Hmm. So obviously there's more and more traffic and now you're gonna have an entrance From a subdivision. Right directly on Fox Fire Drive.
So there's two main topics is the traffic. M my children aren't safe for walking. God forbid if one of my goats or sheep get out there. Or dogs? Uh how many people are gonna stick their hands over I've got horses. I can't even go horseback riding anymore. I bought out there. 'Cause we did go horseback riding. There used to be places to go and now there's nowhere. I don't dare to go out there with the horses. 'Cause you have all these cars and do they go around
you? No, they only go around the school buses. But school buses are going too slow. And the road's not wide enough legally to pass, in my opinion. So that makes for dangerous.
And I've been there twenty five years. When I first moved there, we did go riding down the road. And it it was nice now.
StarkeyChair
Thank you very much. Your I'm sorry, I didn't see your your uh buzzer go off. Next.
StarkeyChair
Uh next up would be Joelle Neri.
Joelle Neri
Joelle Neary, [address removed]. And yes, I was sworn in. I'm here representing the Angeles. We are just north of this property build. Actually just north of Palmwoods. But Palmwoods and this are both affecting the traffic patterns in our area. Um I am concerned about the infrastructure and not being able to support the traffic that this will add. We have a bus stop literally outside our property. There
is one little boy that gets picked up on that blind corner on the S turn. And I am concerned every day for him. Um I don't think that we have the infrastructure to support even more without a full study of some kind because this is getting crazy. Traffic is getting busy, it's getting insane, it is dangerous for students walking. for everything and yes, we bought in a rural area. We have seventeen acres. We're rural, our neighbors were rural, and now it's not
being that way anymore. And I know people are building, and I know people are coming into the community, and that's great for support. But I am concerned over the infrastructure for the whole area just because of these traffic patterns. There's no lights, there's no Sidewalk on Hudson Avenue. And that's just the north side. And I know you're talking about further south, but it's gonna be coming north. And that is our concern. Um, not only for the community, but my residents, because my residents
are all in wheelchairs and that is an issue. So thank you. Thank you.
MarianoVice Chair
Thanks for the great work your family does too.
StarkeyChair
Ravis Johns.
Unidentified speakerVoice F
Good afternoon, board. Thank you very much for uh for hearing this. Uh Rivas Johns [address removed]. Um I'd like to start off by saying, you know, I had a lot to say, a lot of notes, but um after sitting here You were sworn?
StarkeyChair
I'm sorry.
Unidentified speakerVoice F
Yes, I was.
StarkeyChair
You've been here all day.
Unidentified speakerVoice F
Pretty much. And uh after uh hearing what uh What's uh been going on in this meeting for the last few days, it's actually con I mean excuse me, the last few hours. It's it's it's been concerning to see how many uh Um places that Miss Will Hyde is actually um over or looking over into for the county and uh Well I guess I'd like to get to the right-of-way. Um In the twenty fifty year plan, Colony Road was set Slated. to run all the way through to
Hudson. Now with that being said I've been living in that spot that I built my house. on three acres for Fifteen years. And when I bought it until right now You must have one acre or more to build. And Shady Oak Ranches. With them buying that piece of parcel. that connects into Shady Oaks Ranches. is a violation as far as I'm
concerned because now you're taking away the credibility of our one acre and up plots. which is losing value to our houses and our property. Now, with that being said, in a twenty, fifty year plan, I was gonna build another house on the other side of my property. But permitting wouldn't allow me to pull permits for the simple fact that I was in the twenty fifty year land uh plan for colony road. Now with that being said, I see all these buildings going around me that the permitting and the
board is allowing to build. But yet They won't let me build anything on my property because that roadway is in a twenty-fifty year plan. Now, if you actually look where the road comes out, the only thing that they're going to do is from out their subdivision and up to Hudson Avenue. There's another way. They didn't have to try to have this piece of property built, they could have ran straight across and ran as a second outlet to the road that they're showing there
that's not even a road, it's just a connection. That is about Mm, I'd say a little more than five hundred yards. That they can tie into Colony Road and make that an easier pathway straight to Hudson Avenue, like is in the twenty fifty year plan, instead of running everybody through our neighborhood. We already have a hard time getting in and out. The traffic is ridiculous and the subdivisions are not even done yet. You're talking thirteen thirteen hundred houses and possibly more because there's more subdivisions around us that have already
been proved approved and it's it's just absolutely ridiculous and the traffic's getting worse and worse. Every time a car or a big truck goes by my house Everything in the house shakes. You know, and and you know, you guys have a plan, a vision, twenty fifty, but you don't stick to it. You inconvenience everybody else. Thank you very much for your time. I do appreciate it.
StarkeyChair
Thank you. So you're on the corner of Fox Fire and Colony. Yes. Yeah. Okay, I just looked at
Unidentified speakerVoice F
I'm my property lines up with the entrance where it comes out of that property.
StarkeyChair
Okay, thank you. Bridget Erickson is the next one signed up.
Bridget Erickson
Hi, my name is Bridget Erickson. I live at [address removed]. I have been sworn in. Um I have horses, so I'm concerned about changing it from AG to M P-U-D. Secondly, I would may I approach this map right here?
StarkeyChair
She's she's
Bridget Erickson
see this little gray spot right there where colony goes like that. That's my house. But I live there.
StarkeyChair
You you need to um stay at the mic or your
Bridget Erickson
that protective plan goes right through my living room. I've lived there for eighteen years. I'm a Florida resident. I've been in Pasco County over thirty-five years. I've invested my time, my blood, my sweat and tears in that property with my horses. I've built my stalls, I've built my pole barn, I live There. My family's lived here. My son goes to high went to high school here. I have grandchildren here. And now you're talking about these pretty little sidewalks and about the bicyclists for new people. What about the people that have lived in Pasco County that have been paying
taxes for all the time that we've lived here? What about the people that have contributed to Pasco County? You're pushing us out to bring new people in, and it's not fair to all of us. We where's the give where's this give and take here? You're taking, taking, taking from Pasco County residents, but you're not giving us anything back. And again, main point, that's my home. You gotta go right through my living room. That's not gonna happen. You cannot take my livelihood. You can't take my life away. You can't take my home away. This needs
to be reconstructed, redone, and uh It needs to be re-looked at so they can plan another way to put they can go colony road straight up. Why do they have to go to the corner like that? Why do you have to go through my land? Why do you have to go through my living room? Why can't you just go straight up? I mean I don't care about your sidewalks. I don't care about your little ponds. I don't care about how big a sidewalk is. I care about that's where I live and sleep and reside. Thank you.
StarkeyChair
Thank you. Thanks. That's all we have signed up in advance.
StarkeyChair
Come on up. Is there anyone else who wishes to speak to this item? If so, please get in line.
Unidentified speakerVoice K
Yeah, I speak.
StarkeyChair
Yes.
Unidentified speakerVoice K
Hello, my name is Jeremy Ruffey. I'm with [address removed] and I have been sworn in
StarkeyChair
What what city is that? White
Unidentified speakerVoice K
White
StarkeyChair
Walnut?
Unidentified speakerVoice K
Yes, White Walnut Street. Four, six,
StarkeyChair
okay.
Unidentified speakerVoice K
Mr. Mariano, you and I spoke when you came to my station on uh this month uh of the thirteenth, and you said, you know Well unfortunately I wasn't able to get those people together, but I do have approximately thirty people here who feel the same way. But they're hard working people like me and they just can't be here 'cause they're they're doing their jobs. I moved here for the greenery. I'm okay with building, but when you start pushing out animals and you create safety issues, just like last uh I think it was November of last year, headed to work and all of a sudden what do I see? I see a child who's struck
at a bus stop. And why? Well he was fatally uh injured because people are are going around trying to avoid these traffic lights. They're going through our subdivisions and they're speeding, they're not paying attention and struck 'em and killed them. The pedestrian traffic, I run these calls every day. Nobody else runs these calls. I see these calls. Pedestrians are hit more often than you would know. Um, but when we start pushing out wildlife, you know, we have the sandhill cranes is if you see two sandhill cranes together, they're like a married couple. They will mate for life. So then when you see one
just walking around all lonely, it's because it will no longer mate for life. Because they're being wiped out. The gopher tortoises. They create homes for 350 other species of animals. And what do we do? We put concrete on top of them. And it takes them about a year to die. So they pretty much starve to death. We got migrating birds. We have deer, raccoons, all being killed. There's uh even talk about a black wolf. Look up a black wolf. Apparently it was extinct for about 100 years, but now we're saying we're seeing them in our areas because they got nowhere else to go. Uh Knox
gas. All these extra vehicles are creating extra pollution that we're sitting in in traffic. You know, I was just in Belgium and people there cough non-stop because of all the NOx gases coming out of our vehicles. What are Knox gases? Nitric oxide and nitrogen dioxide. Are these the things that are causing cancer as we sit in 'em and US 19 as we can go longer get anywhere? Uh smog and astray come from those two things. Infrastructure. US nineteen. I can't do it anymore. Getting my kids every day from Tarpon Springs, which I'm already late getting them, because I'm here to
speak for everybody who cannot be here. Fifty-two is still two lanes, yet we're worried about all this other stuff. You know, w what about our water, our power? You know, nobody's thinking about our you know, people like me, right now, uh, you know, I got a septic tank that won't drain because all this increased building is pushing it more towards me. You're you guys are elevating your lands, you have the money to do that, I don't. Um what happens, you know, in a state of emergency when we need to get out of here. How the hell are everybody going to evacuate this area when these roads are deadlocked? And
what happens with people like me is everyone already mentioned, you know, we want to go shoot, we wanna have our cows, our horses, have our kids have what I had. you know, years of having land, our kids are on phones all day. Instead of being out in nature, that's what they want to do and everyone's pushing towards that. That's not what I want. I don't want to see, you know these houses packed together and then creates all these issues. Like just like last time I tried to get food uh with all these extra people here, the food just uh sells out even quicker. Uh I don't know when we're gonna stop bulldozing. We need to start preserving
our our resources. That's just me.
StarkeyChair
Thank you. Okay, this is our last speaker today. Is there anyone online?
StarkeyChair
And not for this item.
StarkeyChair
Hi,
Pastor Jim
Pastor Jen uh Kerouac [address removed]. And some of these folks have come to the Shady Hills Civic Association meetings, so I felt it important to just advocate uh you know, for their position. Um and just in that I know that most everyone knows of the golden rule, do unto those that as you would have done to yourself. And it sounds as if maybe one of the neighbors is not being as great of
a neighbor. Um those with more land are not more important than those that don't have as much land. the neighbors should be equally and you know, I just most of these projects, the reason why people come and just are concerned and those that are concerned and can't attend because they're working Is because you know they don't know necessarily the intricacies. They maybe there are things that could be
worked out, and then we spend time here, you know, trying to advocate for a position that maybe otherwise would have been worked out. I understand not every situation requires a neighborhood meeting, but Like, come on, let's be a good neighbor. As the gentleman said, Ms. Will Hight uh advocates for many landowners, you know, and and there are like a few that likewise, as Ms. Will Hight. I mean, have a neighborhood meeting, meet with the folks around you, let
them know, see if there's something that you know could be advocated. And I ask that you as As as the leaders in this county, that you would ask the same, that that they begin to try and advocate. and collaborate in a positive way so that you know we can be still remain a good community in Florida.
StarkeyChair
Okay. Um to the applicant.
And I have a question on the vision road I guess. Yeah,
Barbara Wilhite
me too. I have a comment.
Barbara Wilhite for the applicant.
I understand the speaker's and the person that owns the home on Division Road is Those are decisions, hard decisions you have to make when you set out where you want vision roads and then you do a P D D and E and the P D and E's that you do weigh out where to get the right of way. Make sure make sure everyone
StarkeyChair
knows what a P D and E is, 'cause there's people who don't know who
Barbara Wilhite
I know it is P D and E, but what's the proper name?
Sun Coast
Uh it's an F dot term. It's project Development and Environmental Study. And what we do in uh the case is
a route study is choosing the alignment of a road, excuse me, and the drainage facility locations so that we can actually construct the network needed to move people around.
StarkeyChair
Okay, thank you.
Barbara Wilhite
So ultimately there's a process you guys go through and ultimately there's public hearing on that vision road and so we we are been asked to accommodate your road and so that's what we're doing. That's why colony road is on our property. Would my client probably like to develop the whole thing and push the road on somebody else's property? Sure. I mean that might be the thing. But no we we were accommodating the road. We were asked to accommodate the road. Your P and E P D and E asked us to accommodate the road. So that's how the road came to be. We didn't choose the alignment We didn't even choose the cross section. We obviously are
going to work on a better cross section. I think one of the things you have to have perspective is that this property since 1989 has all been um approved by the county as residential three. It's a suburban density, three units per acre. Um say that again. Three units per acre is your land use designation for this for this area. It's not just this property. I mean it's all s south of Hudson Avenue. It's a s it's res three. So when you talk about did we Did we look at the community you were coming to?
We did. Res three allows a hundred and two units. Next door, you approved. Palm winds. With forty and fifty foot lots. We didn't come and propose 40 and 50 foot lots. We didn't come and propose 6,000 square foot lots, which are your R4 district. We didn't come and propose an R4 district without conditions. We came forward as an MPUD to exceed your R4 district. And we did that because The client was committed to a quality
project and all of your standards regarding architectural standards and the things that you like to see in MPUDs that if I would have come as an R4 with 6,000 square foot lots. It would just be in your zoning district. Pastor Dan and and I guess they know me by name now. Um You know, I grew up in this community as well and care about it, but when we look at a place where we're gonna bring a project where I look at with my clients, we actually look at where we're bringing that project. And that's why we're bringing forward 633 units instead of
102. That's why we're bringing forward sixty by one hundred and twenty foot lots, seventy two hundred square feet, instead of four thousand square feet or five thousand square feet or even your code that says six thousand square feet.
Where you have central water and sewer where you make those investments in center water and sewer is where your growth is ultimately gonna go. Again, the connection to Boxfire is a code requirement so that you have different connectivity, people can travel different ways, that's why it's there. I would add that you know Commissioner Mariano did mention when I spoke to him, like could there be a disclosure, a written disclosure for our residents that they can appreciate that there are surrounding residents that have an agricultural
lifestyle and I did prepare um a condition And I did run it by it's been such a long day. I did run it by uh Mr. Goldstein and staff. That we could add to a disclosure. So there is that mutual. Our residents know that there are neighbors that have an agricultural lifestyle. So I'm gonna pass this out. Um
take a motion. Do I have a second?
Unidentified speaker
Second.
StarkeyChair
All in favor? Aye? Aye.
Barbara Wilhite
With regard to wildlife, we do wildlife surveys and gopher tortoises are no longer allowed to be just um mitigated on site. You have to move them. quite a process to do that, quite an expense to clients to do that, but they cannot put concrete on them and suffocate them. They have to be moved. And again we have to do all the wildlife surveys and we have to do them multiple times. We had to do them with the MPUD, we have to do them again at Pelomary Plan. They're only good for eighteen months. And then even after that, when we go out to actually start development, your staff
goes out again, and if any gopher tortoises have come onto the site since we've moved them all, then they have to be taken care of as well. It's a condition that deals with any any wildlife that comes onto the site after we start construction. We can't still still aren't allowed to put concrete over them or suffocate gopher tortoises.
I think that's all I have. Um I think everything else we have talked about. If you have any particular questions for myself, my team, level up, my clients, DRB, or Steve Henry, who has done our traffic, uh I w I would add We heard a lot about the intersection of State Road 52 and Colony at um at the Planning Commission. Hudson and fifty-two? Fifty-two. Fifty-two and colony. Yeah, all the way down. I know we're at Hudson. Oh yeah. I looked at it here
StarkeyChair
on the map.
Barbara Wilhite
The fact that that intersection doesn't have an intersection. Um but and we staff actually researched that after planning commission and I was sent a copy of it. That the F D OT is in the process of doing improvements to that intersection to make it signalized. So I think that's a response to people's concerns that F DOT is actually moving that forward. So I wanted to let you know that. If you want any more details about that, I'm not the detail person, but I can tell you that DOT is already working on it, knows
of that issue, and they're planning on making that a signalized intersection.
StarkeyChair
I do have one question 'cause I'm here on Google Maps looking at this property. Does the Do the is there a Sackleson family I'm gonna guess? Or
Barbara Wilhite
I think that's who the yes, that's the the family that we're buying the property from.
StarkeyChair
Okay, and do they live on this property?
No. So I'm looking at probably I'm looking at a lot of activity and dumping on this property. There someone someone's using this property. This is kinda what happens when
Someone's four wheel someone else's four wheel driving camping.
And I That that could be a problem. Um
Uh The other thing is I want to say About the bonfires. And coming from family has bonfires all the time. You you're allowed to do that. I mean we have we have residents in Trinity Trinity and um What's the name of that golf course there in Trinity?
That one. What's the name of that golf course? There there are res there are people in Fox Hollow who have, you know, the the the um solos or whatever or or homemade bonfires in their backyard. And I know I had a resident who was complaining about it. She had asthma. But fully within that homeowner's right to have a bonfire in their yard. So don't if this goes through Don't think that you can't still enjoy your own property. You you cannot raise your hand from the audience. Um but you can still continue to own your Enjoy
your property. So Um
Yeager
So how can we help them with the road issue if it's already Well you know that's conceptual. Right. No, I know with the I mean Also that if you're having all that development around there. Just what d what do the roads look like? Well
StarkeyChair
we I think we have to work that out amongst ourselves. We have this issue in other places too, that we're using a model from two thousand and two. Is that what you said?
Sun Coast
Two thousand two board approval of a route study. Oh
StarkeyChair
route study for colony
Sun Coast
road.
StarkeyChair
Okay. Well Yeah, yeah. You know, the road needs to connect. It's an important connector from Hudson to fifty two. If we don't have these kind of interconnects then our roads will be at a standstill. So we must, must complete the grid. But we have to do it thoughtfully and respectfully and I don't think this is happening anytime soon. But It's not the responsibility of these guys to figure out our
Yeager
lady that was here if she's here, like if somebody could talk to her, you know, about You know, not going through her living room.
StarkeyChair
And I think I you cannot you cannot talk from out there, I'm so sorry. But it won't you know w Mm. There's a long process and a lot of time before anything happens and you will be included, everyone will be included in in that discussion. There'll be public hearing and things like that. So um
Yeager
is there someone that could talk to her right now?
StarkeyChair
After we're done? Thank you, Nick. You can talk w meet her in the back with the county engineer. Thank you. Okay, um Commissioner Oriano.
MarianoVice Chair
Yeah, can you um put up the slide before with the cyclobs and there you go.
Is that one right there? Yes. So if you look on the right side of that. That develops there much more dense, but that thing connects Down to Fairwinds, which is a lot further to the south. We get a situation where And I'm I'm not I'm not sure what's right to the side to them, et cetera, but You know, all these one acre lots, people are doing all sorts of agricultural, et cetera, and all of a sudden we're gonna squeeze it right in. And the worst part is we're not even allowing for the road Yeah. Well if you wanted
to show a benefit, so be it. But right now you're gonna take all that extra traffic. And those you ever go up there. If you go up Colony Road, you gotta take a right on Fox Fire, you gotta come up to another turn, take another right turn. And then you're gonna thought it's an avido. Ideal. Um And I will tell you I I wish that staff had worked with us closer. Because this development coming in on Palmwind. Had this work with this one better? They could have made that connection to Colony right through their property. Could've gone right along the edge. But That
didn't happen. And that's what we do, that's the type of thing we need to change what we're doing. If we're gonna come into a rural area like this and have development come in, it's gotta work better. Right now. Again, just with the dimensions of what that road was supposed to be. Uh and Mrs. Ericsson, I I looked at your house right there and I'm watching. How can we design a ho uh uh a roadway going right through somebody's house? Why would we do that, especially when we could have gone up a little bit further in the other development and then brought it over from there when we saw we were making a change, not this road where the roadway was going to go? So To
me it's like th these vision roads are tough we're seeing today. But handling this one here. Um to me it it's it's it's it's not ready. Um That connection to Collie Road needs to be done. to take the roadway on Foxfire and just throw more traffic down there? I would rather even see a cul-de-sac or even just a a T section there and just let the people if they're gonna come in there that they gotta go up on Hudson Avenue and that's their only way in and out. uh unless it connects over to the other neighborhood there, but to bring 'em down Fox Fire and up and around.
Let them go straight up and over. They don't need any more traffic right there. These are rural roads. that are are dangerous at night. I mean You know, people have signs up there, they got reflectors up there. It's not a it's not a great scenario. And to tell a neighbor That has a Acre parcel and he can't build another home on the other ACO, but now we're gonna let R 4 come in. What are we doing? I mean gr I'm I'm glad we're looking at the ADUs. That's great. That's a classic example of why we need to do that, but again, you're throwing this High density
in here. And granted, not as higher far harsh powerland, but with no connection that's gonna go until it's gonna fall on us taxpayers again. And I will tell you, just like we found out earlier, uh we we heard earlier today, we don't have the infrastructure in place to make these things come in. So I don't think this one's this one's ready yet.
StarkeyChair
I think there is um more property that is coming on the market in this area? That is um I probably can't speak to it, but there's I've heard rumors there's a big piece coming here that's also coming in. They they have every right to develop at R three, right? They're coming in at R four.
Oakley
Less than four.
StarkeyChair
So Commissioner Starkey Less than R four. Um I I agree. You know what? Some attention needs to be made to these roads to make them safer. Um And also I I look forward to the day when we fix Hudson R Hudson. It needs to have some pedestrian safety features on it. Um and Um I have said here that I think the bus stops Especially when we're out here where there's no lighting and it's dark. Let's
get those solar lights from Metro on here. and put 'em up there. They can't be that much and they're solar and I don't want to see kids sitting at a rural road in the dark getting on a school bus. Um I don't I don't think she we should stop doing connections because a road is substandard. I think we should keep the connections and find a way to fix the road. Because otherwise You're gonna create A gridlock traffic nightmare in the county. We
won't have enough road to support And that that is like planning one oh one is interconnectivity. So Um I kinda agree with you that's too bad colonies Swung to the left, but We had that discussion when I think when Fairwinds was coming in. Frankly I wish we hadn't approved that at forty We should never approve 40 foot lots on that thing. Um this is sixty foot. Those houses are very nice. Uh it's it's there it's I wish we had more developments like that coming
in the county, frankly. Um but there is some work that needs to be done here to improve uh safety. And I I was trying to find where it says Shady Hills Ranch. Was that what it's called? Shady Ranch?
Is this Sackleson part of Shady Hills Ranches?
Barbara Wilhite
My understanding is it's not.
StarkeyChair
Okay, so there may be some deed restrictions on Sunland. Um and I don't know how that works to change that. Um So I could not find it listed here as a community. I s I saw um other neighborhoods. Paradise Acres, Florida Naturest Park, Colony Village. You find it? Right there. So okay he found it but this is this is not in in that area?
Unidentified speakerVoice I
Madam Clerk, it's just south of
StarkeyChair
Just south
Unidentified speakerVoice I
of it. Okay.
MarianoVice Chair
So when we approve the Palm Wind one, that connection there runs north-south all the way from Hudson Avenue to Fairwinds. Fairwinds goes out to Meadow Oaks, or comes over to Colleen Road. Fairly well travelled
StarkeyChair
Is that the right-of-way?
MarianoVice Chair
This one here, you'll you're letting a connection come in that doesn't connect to what's supposed to be uh vision road to go a little further. Instead you've got a very bad way to as far as connectivity goes, to make these people go in, out and or all around. And you're gonna add more traffic to the easy.
There was property to the side of Colling Road.
StarkeyChair
That's not their responsibility with 60 houses to build a vision road.
MarianoVice Chair
Fairwinds Drive, Hudson Avenue. They made it work. Why aren't we making these guys make it work?
Barbara Wilhite
And we put all that rind together. And it's a county standard road and it's a county road and it's a county maintained road. Your code tells us to connect, that's why we've connected. So to say that we haven't done something, or we did something wrong, or we didn't plan something, but
StarkeyChair
but that's not their response.
Barbara Wilhite
We are we have a large portion of Collie Road, a large r right-of-way dedication, a large obligation of what we're gonna build of Colony Road. through a configuration that you all approved through your route study, when you did palm wind, I mean we We have followed everything here and we're doing large lots Seventy t two hundred square foot lots, nice product, a good you know we have done our work and we did all of our work. What's the law? Um, this has not just been put together.
StarkeyChair
I'm asking the county attorney for the right for what what it is that we have to follow. In approving and not approving.
Unidentified speakerVoice I
Do you have well? You've got a piece of property that is that is in your res three classification. Anything up to three units to the acre Is deemed consistent with your plan. But it doesn't have to be that maximum. They are They are at two point six seven according to this graphic. Um Which is which is which is pushing the
StarkeyChair
side. That's actually
Barbara Wilhite
Palmwind. That's
Unidentified speakerVoice I
actually what
Barbara Wilhite
Palmwind
was approved at. I'm sorry.
No exactly.
Unidentified speakerVoice I
So so they are about ha little over half of what the
StarkeyChair
what they're allowed to build. They're they're half of what they're allowed to build. Right.
Unidentified speakerVoice I
the maximum density for the parcel, not They it's not what they it's not of right. None of your comprehensive plan categories are of right, but you have a historic
Um
a historic tendency to go to almost the top of the uh of the categories, but it has to be compatible with in with the area. You've set the trend with palm wind, frankly. Um we lost it. Um and so you know
Um
StarkeyChair
We're taking
Unidentified speakerVoice I
way
StarkeyChair
too long on these.
Unidentified speakerVoice I
Again, that this is the you know we
Um So uh it I guess the the advice I'm giving i is is there a right to the the rezoning? No. But They've come in with a project that's pretty close to your comprehensive at least from standpoint of future land use. it's below the the category that they are in.
StarkeyChair
And it builds part of the vision room. Not all of it, but part of it. Um Commissioner Oakley, Commissioner Weightman, any comments? Uh
WeightmanSecond Vice Chair
again, this is the third time we've talked about a vision road. Rolling through somebody's property. That's very frustrating to me. More frustrating so to the the property owner. So It's almost like setting A preeminent Yeah. Depending on how this is aligned then It's setting up the the future properties to the south potentially for what that destiny is and that property owner may not want that.
StarkeyChair
It could sw um Commissioner Um there is a road there that that it can attach to. Doesn't have to be We don't have to build it as wide as What their um saying, right? So I and I think that I I think there's some property coming in here.
WeightmanSecond Vice Chair
We can't
StarkeyChair
we
WeightmanSecond Vice Chair
can't speculate. We we have the facts of the day.
StarkeyChair
But
WeightmanSecond Vice Chair
that's what we have the facts of the day, at least for me.
StarkeyChair
Okay.
WeightmanSecond Vice Chair
And this this is what I'm basing it on. And the county has said, okay, here's where we're going to plop this road down. And it's again it's a n it's a it's another situation of a County Road. that to no fault of The projects This is they're following what the county has has laid out. And then it has a negative impact, potentially negative impact, or at least a frustrating impact. downstream to neighboring property owners. Um
we've got to get competitive better communicating where these roads are are are potentially laid out and send folks a letter or something.
Surprise, people get a lot of mail. Um You know. So that's another that's a piece that's frustrating here. Um
Unidentified speakerVoice I
But Commissioner Oak this wa was a route study in two thousand and two. They're the Property around here has changed hands on multiple occasions. So I'm not sure that even if we had notified everybody in the area that the alignment
WeightmanSecond Vice Chair
Where's the uh Is she here?
I think she's lived in this property well before two thousand and two. Correct?
Yes, ma'am. What year did you buy this property?
Unidentified speakerVoice I
The deed is two thousand and sixteen.
StarkeyChair
Two thousand and sixteen.
WeightmanSecond Vice Chair
Well, okay.
StarkeyChair
All right. Um listen. Uh they're not building the vision road. That's not happening Uh they're they're only going down to their entrance, so no one south That house is not affected with this project right here. So um
MarianoVice Chair
Madam Chairman
StarkeyChair
M.
MarianoVice Chair
If you look to where that Condolane Road intersects and and and ends on this property. If it blows it up on the screen, you could actually see it goes designed to go right through her house.
StarkeyChair
I that is that is that is a conceptual route, not an actual route. Well
MarianoVice Chair
look
StarkeyChair
so you have to look at that.
MarianoVice Chair
I am. I'm looking at Paul and right beside it. You tell me where where else that road's gonna go. go? You've got no other options right now, but
StarkeyChair
I'm going to go on the road that's there existing.
MarianoVice Chair
There's no there's no road existing right now.
StarkeyChair
I'm looking at it it right there, right?
MarianoVice Chair
It ends at Foxfire.
StarkeyChair
We're up here. It's down
MarianoVice Chair
and and because our staff, no one this visual road was there didn't allow for that road to come in. We could have been moved around then and at that time. So instead all we did is have them stub in to connect.
StarkeyChair
Can it go more to the east?
MarianoVice Chair
Now that's gonna take a conversation with Palm Wynn because you got that little green spot right there. If you could get that, if you could get land to the side of the developments to the side, that's that there's a narrow piece and it extends out a little bit further, it would connect to Colony Road to go forward.
Oakley
So
MarianoVice Chair
that I don't think that di discussion's been had and frankly. Now that we can see what we got to deal with? I mean, do you really want to tell Ms. Erickson we're gonna be taking her property one of these days?
StarkeyChair
Um
County engineer, can you talk about the Vision Road, please? Sorry.
Sun Coast
Do you want me to redraw the line on the fly or do you want to be re looking at it further?
StarkeyChair
That is conceptual. Is that correct? The exact route.
Sun Coast
Well But so a
Unidentified speakerVoice I
route study.
It said that there was a route study, so it's less than conceptual. Okay, so
StarkeyChair
it's
Sun Coast
more than that. Could we revisit the assumptions that were made in the route study? Certainly. Okay. Does that put this application in a state of wait and see? Unfortunately it would. Because the footprint on their property may also be affected.
StarkeyChair
And this and we did the route study in 2002. And this property was purchased in twenty sixteen? Is that what you said?
Unidentified speakerVoice I
The the Erickson property, the deed deed out was in twenty sixteen. I
Barbara Wilhite
And you approve palm wind? With no vision vote on their property in twenty twenty three.
MarianoVice Chair
That connects all the way to fair ones.
Barbara Wilhite
I'm sorry, Barbara, what'd you say? I said you approved. Palm one and twenty June of twenty twenty three, less than two years ago Which cemented this alignment in place because you didn't put it on their property. So you
StarkeyChair
All right. Um you know, we we gotta move one way or another. We've gotta do something. So I'm looking to my board for what you wanna do here. We can't just stand here and look at each other all day.
Barbara Wilhite
And I can tell you that I mean we our whole s southeastern corner is going to you guys, so I mean
Unidentified speakerVoice L
Is it Madam Chair? I I'm not sure what the board wants to do with this, but I did craft a condition to deal with the cross section issue. To make it clear that we're not approving that cross section with the MPD approval and it'll be approved. Had site plan approval. I sent this condition to Barbara and the county engineer. I realize she probably hasn't seen it, but Um I did draft an amendment to condition twenty three to address that issue if you were inclined to approve this.
StarkeyChair
And I think that's a good compromise. We go back to, you know, a thirty three foot road for now. This isn't the Hundred foot boulevard, whatever that's hundred across the road.
Unidentified speakerVoice L
They're still gonna be required to give one hundred and twenty four feet of right-way.
StarkeyChair
Okay.
Unidentified speakerVoice L
What I'm saying is that the design of what it goes in that right of way would be deferred to site plan approval and through the county engineer to review that cross section. So that you're not approving the cross section that was shown
Unidentified speakerVoice I
earlier. That only addresses your concern about bike lanes and multi parts paths. It doesn't.
Barbara Wilhite
It does take the width. You can decide on a width.
Unidentified speakerVoice I
It doesn't change the alignment.
Barbara Wilhite
It does within that boundary, right? It doesn't change what what right away we're giving, right? But yes, that's true.
Unidentified speakerVoice L
Right. Because you had concerns with the way that was designed, so that's what I tried to draft with that condition. But that only deals with that one issue. I just wanted to make sure that if you approved it, you've made that change. That's all I'm asking.
Yeager
But if you're not sure if you're From what I was hearing just from the county engineer, if we wait a little bit and discuss this vision road, it might affect that project, right?
Barbara Wilhite
You can see that Palmlands is all the way to our property line. They have homes there. So this alignment. was decided when you approved a route study and then you approved palmlands. There you can see those site plan. That's an approved site plan. Right. It's hard for me because I There are homes there are homes there. Right. So home on that they have the right to do it.
We have a bailiff
StarkeyChair
and I'm gonna tell you again, this
Barbara Wilhite
is my last time you cannot talk about
it.
I didn't do Pomwinds. I I mean we this property. This is your alignment of division road. And it's not like i we could say, Oh, palmlands isn't developed yet, let's put it over on Palmlands or on their property. We approved palm winds. And this is the alignment.
StarkeyChair
Barbara, your your property line is that dark dark black line going north south? Is that uh is that big green blob a wetland? Is that what's going on there? I mean can you take palm wind straight up? I mean colonies straight up.
Barbara Wilhite
There's a wetland there.
StarkeyChair
Yeah.
Barbara Wilhite
The pinch point
StarkeyChair
is that corner.
Barbara Wilhite
Yeah, that's the south that you're so but we're giving I mean look at our property and our right of way. Our right of way is the southeast corner. So That's So where it comes down to property that we don't own and the county doesn't own is our southeast corner.
So that's
StarkeyChair
We we we're either approving or denying or we're continuing.
Barbara Wilhite
Palm wind palm wind project. That we've had to donate extra right away so you can have connectivity between the Vision Road and Palm Wind. Can you go to Pasco Mac for
StarkeyChair
Can you
Barbara Wilhite
pull up Haskell
StarkeyChair
mapper?
So this road Okay, can you go to Pasco Mapper for me up there? And then and um this road was this alignment was done in two thousand and two. Is that what you're saying? Could you please go to that corner of Fox Fire and Colony? And show me what it looked like in two thousand and two. Say two thousand and three.
And maybe that's
Barbara Wilhite
Yeah, I would I would say it was approved in two thousand and two and then reinforced in June of twenty twenty three when you when you approved Palmwind.
MarianoVice Chair
Madam Chair? Yeah. So I'm gonna I'm gonna say this Hudson Avenue is a two lane road. We don't have even sidewalks out there all the way through, right? We're working on putting those things together though. has got a plan to do that. And we've done some other developments down the road. So I don't know why I need a Full lane row with all the bells and whistles you got on here. Well probably a two-lane road would help control the density better. I mean all the way down. So I mean that redo Colony Road all the way down. Probably at the intersections Uh
more turn lanes, whatever, but
StarkeyChair
What I would say is that you know that's a solution for today is even if we just Uh we reserve the right of way, but plan on for now. a two lane, much narrower road, much less Affecting Um her and then one day maybe she wants to sell. Um or something. Things happen. And and if it's needed, we could widen the road then. We don't have I'm s I am sure that that road's not gonna be four lanes any time. in the near
future. I mean Trinity Boulevard isn't even four lanes yet.
Unidentified speakerVoice L
So
Madam Chair, can I clarify something? And I Barbara has said this. They are not building the road south of their
first connection to it. So What the county does within that hundred twenty-four feet of right-of-way south of that and how many lanes we build and what alignment we pick is totally up to us. So we're not setting that today. The only and they're only building two lanes to their entrance. So this approval does not obligate us to build four lanes south of that, but it doesn't obligate us to build in any particular alignment south of that. But it probably does need to connect to existing colony
road.
StarkeyChair
Um looking at this map here, um
What year is this? Two thousand one? Well this was before the road went on the map. Can we see it on two thousand and three or whatever how you do it? Four and can we go to two thousand six?
Okay, can we keep going?
Okay.
David Allen
Madam Chair, if I may. David Allen. As it is you know, we're we're getting late in in the on this particular item and and and I've I've been taking notes here and I I think we've nailed it down to three key three major issues. One is the cross section of the road, which I think is a technical issue that Mr. Goldstein had mentioned previously and I think we can work through that and come up with um an alternative um section that would meet um the
needs that we've talked about today um and fit that within the right-way. That's number one. Number two I think though from what I'm hearing on the vision road is the specific alignment that we're looking at and the challenge that we have quite frankly right now is that we are Really hyper focused on this corner piece of property. When you look at the whole of Colony Road all the way down to where it's supposed to connect. There is going to have to be a lot of additional property acquisitions, right-of-acquisitions, or any other things like that. So I think that this is a good opportunity
for us as staff to take a look at that and reevaluate that vision road piece. And then thirdly, um one of the things I heard particularly from the community was the concerns with cut-through traffic on this project and Um certainly the project proponent has uh met the code requirements, but I think it was Commissioner Mariano who suggested maybe we have a cul-de-sac at the end of that one piece and really force all of the traffic.
StarkeyChair
Can I suggest that instead of a cotton sec we put an emergency exit and so that one day if when Fox fire gets fixed, people who are trying to get home here don't have to go all the way up and around if there's a perfectly fine road. Oh, y you're stressing you're stressing areas to the north maybe when you don't need to, but wait until Fox Fire is improved.
David Allen
And and I think the the point I was gonna make was that really would require a board action because it's a it's a change from the land development code.
Barbara Wilhite
I I would agree. That's why I It's not emergency access only because it is a code requirement, it's ultimately your decision. Do you want it to be a full access per the code? Do you want it to be emergency access only? Your decision. That's what I told Planning Commission, that's why they didn't take any action on it, because they're just they're following your code, but it's ultimately your decision.
StarkeyChair
I I'm good with that.
Nope. Sorry.
Commissioner Mariano, it's your district. We've got to do that.
MarianoVice Chair
I'm going to continue it.
Second.
Unidentified speakerVoice I
How's the applicable? If you're gonna continue it, you need a date certain.
StarkeyChair
Don't do it on don't do it on the t on How
MarianoVice Chair
much time would we need to re-look at this? Yeah.
Barbara Wilhite
Don't be sure.
I know. I know. So I could I ask, we're agreeable to emergency access, I just said that onto Foxfire. It's your decision, and if that's what you want to do. What else can my my what else and we've agreed to a condition that Whether you want us to do a two-lane cross-section, a four-lane cross-section, bike lanes, no bike lanes, you can set it.
W what else are you going to do to my project? The client needs to move forward. We've been working on this for a while with all of you. Uh I am
StarkeyChair
comfortable with that.
Barbara Wilhite
And and so in our our density is lower than palm wind, so You've already set what's compatible. We're accommodating your vision road. You've heard that we're going to give right of way, and if you don't want all of it and you want to use all of it, more green space. So I just don't know what a continuance and maybe you can tell me what a continuance other than hurting this project and hurting this these the the folks developing this project. Um which by the way you look at everybody looks at their renders and says this is a quality
project. These are gonna be expensive homes. These are not our lower end product, these are expensive homes. Which will be an actual benefit. to property values. I know that's always debatable. But I I just don't know what other than hurting this project, what we would accomplish Different.
WeightmanSecond Vice Chair
My my my showing deference to the district commissioner My concern isn't necessarily to the density, it's to the alignment of the roadway.
StarkeyChair
That's got nothing to do with their project.
WeightmanSecond Vice Chair
It has su it has well it they're building the
StarkeyChair
first leg.
WeightmanSecond Vice Chair
They built the first leg's coming down between them and the county.
StarkeyChair
That's the only place they can go.
WeightmanSecond Vice Chair
And it's setting precedent, of course, the project to the east. And when when this gets built, it's setting precedent to the south. And
With the third time we've talked about this today, there's a bigger conversation that needs to be had, I think, between each commissioner and staff. Unfortunately your project is potentially hemmed up with a a thirty day conversation. But for me it's not necessarily about the density, it's about the roadway traveling south. in showing deference to Commissioner Oakley. Who seemingly has Some more questions that aren't that aren't answered. If he wants to change his motion. Happy to support. Which way he wants to go? But
again with staff I'd like to have
spokes with you all about these vision roads and kind of a better way to go about or at least giving a um You know the public a better idea of what's what's going on because again this is a third time Today in the conversation.
Unidentified speakerVoice I
So March twenty fifth is your next meeting in New Port Richey.
Oakley
And you don't have a whole board.
Unidentified speakerVoice I
And you don't have a full board ninth in Dade City if you're willing to go there or the twenty second in Newport Ritchie of April.
MarianoVice Chair
What would the applicant prefer, March twenty-fifth or april twenty second?
StarkeyChair
Or
Barbara Wilhite
Dade City. Both of those may kill the project, so maybe everybody will be happy about that. But that's what I'm hearing whisper my ear that they're getting to the point of their contract that it'll might kill it. So
We have done it can't tell you how frustrating this is because we have done everything right. I'm sorry.
way less density than what you did in Pullm Wynn. Something respectable, something good, and accommodating your vision road that you all set And you set it with Palm Wind in June of 2023, you made the decision where this alignment was going to go, you reinforced it, and to tell these folks. And I don't see what that solution is. I really you know, I'm I Doing this a long time and I can see like okay in thirty days we're gonna There's not This is The alignment.
You and you have a lot of properties on Colony Road. But I think what you've been told is What we'll do is work on the width. Right, so that you'll get all of our right of way and we'll work with you on the with, that is the where you can continue to plan As opposed to just saying I don't even know what the conversation is because you have a route study, you have palm wind, we're setting the the the width of the right-of-way. If you want us to build a two-lane, and then that'll be your present, you've got that ability to do that, to
tell us what to build within that wide right-of-way. And that's where I would ask you to please move this project along and let that be the discussion. Because you and you all can talk about that. We got time before plans are approved, you all can talk about that and then the board can give the county engineer instructions saying, I want to see this road built in that hundred and twenty-four feet. But please don't stop us at this point. for your decision on what you want built within a hundred and twenty four feet because we're gonna give you the right of way We've done everything right and
you all can just talk at your next meeting or the next meeting after that, what do you want us to build that 124 feet and you can look at how you want things to be down the line and you can give that direction with the condition that Mr. Goldstein has drafted to add to this.
MarianoVice Chair
Madam Chair, I think we could probably get this road down as low as as we saw earlier today, as even l as low as thirty-three feet, except for the intersections up there. Uh right now we're paying mob in mobility fee credits with some of the roadway that's in there right now, which is not a good economic move 'cause we need all the road built and we're gonna have to pay for that connection as well. So economically it's not a good move for us. I will tell you I was disappointed with staff before with calling the road not connecting up through there. The connections that the other development has coming from fairway, it makes a good connection where they
got two ways to get out to the south. This here is one way and people are gonna go travel down Fox fire, up and over, come back in. Um it just the road's not set for it. We need to go look at what we really can do. And there's a piece of property on the side of Colony Road. If you saw it as like one thin little sliver down, then another thing over. It's unused right now from the development side. On the east side. On the east side that we have to do.
StarkeyChair
I think there's
MarianoVice Chair
I think you've got to find opportunity on the
StarkeyChair
east side.
MarianoVice Chair
So let's go take thirty days and see if we can make it happen. So I'll move to continue March twenty fifth.
StarkeyChair
Um I I'm gonna suggest that you go to Dade City on April ninth. I do not want to go where the people
Barbara Wilhite
can't go.
So
StarkeyChair
Okay. Well I'm not
Barbara Wilhite
here
StarkeyChair
March twenty fifth so
Barbara Wilhite
I I don't want to continue at all. I'd I'd rather have two weeks to the next day city, but y I mean you it's ultimately your decision. But
MarianoVice Chair
Nothing anything done in two weeks.
StarkeyChair
Yeah. It's just a matter of the road, um Is that is that a park in Palm Wind, that green space? Just kinda curious what that is.
It looks like it's a p a park and not a um I think I think there's opportunity to swing this road to the to the East. I also say you don't have to build that road right now. People's lives change, things come on the market, opportunities happen. Who was saying Chair?
Unidentified speakerVoice H
Oh right here. Just to answer the question, the green space in the Palm Winds Plan would be a neighborhood park.
StarkeyChair
Okay.
Barbara Wilhite
Can we do two weeks? I'm fine with that. Hopefully I can hold my stuff together for a project.
StarkeyChair
Can you try in two weeks?
Barbara Wilhite
For your off site condition.
StarkeyChair
Uh you you have two that are okay. You guys are okay
Barbara Wilhite
for two weeks? And do you want to close your public hearing? Mr. Goldstein do you want an option for that, Mr. Steinschneider? Close your public hearing two weeks. Fa staff can bring you more facts, we can talk more, drill down on on the Mm. How this all fits. Can I
StarkeyChair
take a motion? Can I get a motion?
Unidentified speakerVoice I
Yeah.
StarkeyChair
Yeah. Oh we have one?
MarianoVice Chair
Two I mean two weeks. Part of the reason we're in this trouble, frankly, is the p I don't know if the public were noticed about it, but I didn't hear anything about this um until just coming forward. I don't know if you guys did public hearing or not, but I'm not sure if you're public meetings with the people but it's clearly There's a lot of new stuff that's coming out that Um The residents are speaking pretty loud. So I I I really want to have it right here where the people can come.
Barbara Wilhite
So you're gonna re you're gonna redo the public hearing?
Unidentified speakerVoice I
No, I think he's saying he I are you gonna Are you good with cl well the board can always o reopen the public comment but
MarianoVice Chair
I don't think we should be closing the public hearing because now we're gonna come back with new information. I think the people should be able to hear it.
Unidentified speakerVoice I
But you already have closed the public hearing. You've allowed applicant rebuttal. You can reopen it for the limited purpose of the changes if you wish to. I'd like that's what I'd like to do. Um But what I heard you what I heard you saying is you wanted it in Newport Ritchie. Yes.
Oakley
That's where it should be.
StarkeyChair
Okay, that's a month then, or more than a month.
Barbara Wilhite
It's um sounds like it's a month, right? It's three what was the date?
StarkeyChair
March twenty fifth.
Barbara Wilhite
It's a month.
StarkeyChair
Any emotion?
MarianoVice Chair
We have the motion. Could you just clarify it when we motion to continue March 25th when we will reopen the public hearing on the things that change in the project?
Unidentified speakerVoice I
I'll second it. 130 or soon thereafter. All in favor? Aye.
Unidentified speakerVoice L
Aye. Reluctantly. All right. We are on the Madam Chair, just one last question.
StarkeyChair
Yeah.
Unidentified speakerVoice L
Is is the board okay with the emergency access to Fox Fire? Because we need to draft the condition.
StarkeyChair
I am. Mm.
Unidentified speakerVoice L
So it sounds like that's consent. Okay.
Okay.
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Board of County CommissionersP44Public hearingApproved
Zoning Amendment ~~(Consent)~~ (Regular) - Sakelson Hudson MPUD … Infrastructure on Approximately 34.24 ~~acres.~~ Acres
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Approved Staff’s recommendation subject to the rezoning Conditions in the Agenda Package in addition to those that were handed out during the meeting and those that had been put in orally to the record, with the removal of the word proximate and changing it to half a mile, the addition of the Condition to pre-pay the mobility fees if they had a plan to fund Colony Road, the cul-de-sac Condition wh
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StarkeyChair
Item P44 was published in the Tampa Times on January 8, 2025, and by affidavit of certified mailings and site postings. The item was continued from February 25th, 2025, BCC meeting where it was continued to today.
Planning and Development staff
Thank you. Good afternoon, William from Million, Planning Development, Economic Growth. Before we get started I would like to enter into the record Some ex parte forms that were distributed past our um our cutoff for civic clerk for approval for For the uh commissioners as well as uh some of the new exhibits that have been developed by the applicant and paper version, so everybody can view these.
MarianoVice Chair
All right.
Planning and Development staff
No
MarianoVice Chair
motion. No emotion. A motion
Oakley
to receive and bow.
MarianoVice Chair
Yeah. Thank you. All in favor say aye. Aye. Aye. As you I've had um extra uh probably an extra meeting. With the applicant and the residents? So I don't know if I think that's in there, but I'm not positive.
Yeager
Me too.
Planning and Development staff
This is item forty-four, PD twenty-five, seventy-eight, thirty-one is zoning amendment. Sackleson Hudson MPD Master Plan Unit Development, DRB Group, a rezoning request from AR Agricultural Residential to MPD Master Plan Unit Development.
Thank you. Here's the uh the location map. Just s south of Hudson Avenue. the uh the northernmost boundary of this project abuts Hudson Avenue and the southernmost boundary directly abuts Foxfire Drive. This is for the prospective development of sixty-three single family homes, minimum of sixty feet in Width on approximately thirty-four acres with the uh the related associated infrastructure including the the Vision Road Colony.
Here is the location map. I'm going to breeze through this a little quicker since we we've heard this one before and get to the changes for you all, if that's all right.
The existing zoning of course AR agricultural re agricultural residential The future land use map.
Context map.
Here is where we First get to some of the changes that have occurred since the the last meeting. The the applicant was kind enough to work with the the commissioners as well as the the residents in the area. The first change you'll notice is the the the cul-de-sac to the bottom there, the applicant is no longer proposing it a an access to Foxfire Drive and this is reflected on the MPD master plan. We also have added a a condition of approval twenty-three. to annotate as such
to allow no vehicular access to Foxfire Drive. We've also added in that condition twenty-three that all construction access is to happen from Hudson Avenue.
The applicant has also requested the in condition seventeen to For a requirement to construct a 315-foot eastbound turn lane, as well as adding additional buffering requirements. along that cul-de-sac there in condition number eight
Which is reflected here on the the binding concept plan that you see that's been updated. Which shows that Cul Deus Act to the South as well as those additional buffering requirements in that packet that I just provided. And then finally a change to the COAs in condition fifty-three. the applicant added into the disclosure agreement in which the the sellers would be purchasing a single home. the Florida Right to Farm Act has been added to that disclosure.
Another major change between last meeting and today was The ultimate right-of-way needed for Colony Road. Originally the applicant was asking for 124 feet, which was the the P D and E study, which was approved by the board. However, a after that last meeting and over the last month The applicant has worked uh to achieve a sixty foot cross section. Instead of that one hundred and twenty four feet.
Here is one of the right away exhibits here showing that that sixty feet of uh of right away in that typical section.
Here is the Mobility Fee Credit exhibit. talking about the right-of-way dedication of the portion of which the applicant isn't constructing, they're constructing that northern portion as well as the credible pond along Hudson Avenue.
MarianoVice Chair
Absolutely. So what's the credit for the pond?
Planning and Development staff
Like why why is that there? So the the pond is creditable because it's going to be used to retain um any retention that isn't being created by the development of the 63 units or its associated infrastructure, it's uh it's acquiring or it's retaining some of the the public runoff from both Hudson and then the new vision road. That's the only pond that's credible. There's other ponds that aren't shown, but this is the only credible pond.
Yeager
I have a I just have a question. Do you have a copy of the con d the conditions?
Planning and Development staff
I do. I have a I have one redlined version. myself, I didn't want to provide it because I know that things are subject to change here and I was hoping to provide those changes to you guys all at once once we had a consolidated vision moving forward after today.
Yeager
Okay. Oh, I think Barbara has it.
MarianoVice Chair
You're the best. Can we have a motion to receive
Yeager
a fire?
MarianoVice Chair
I have a motion on a second. All in favor say aye. Aye. Aye. Aye. Any opposed?
Yeager
Thank you.
Planning and Development staff
Perfect and and just to to to go back to the pond, it's it's roughly a hundred and nine thousand dollars in mobility fee credits. that that was agreed to between county staff and the applicant for that point seven acre pond and the point eight seven acres of right away.
This exhibit four is the phase one of Colony Road Extension, which is going to be developed by this MPUD from the from Hudson Avenue south to the project entrance at the aforementioned 60 feet typical shown again below.
This is illustrative of the Of the talks that we had with the neighboring Palm Wind MP in order to change this roadway alignment. staff and the applicant work to to shift this road roadway alignment further east. Which included Roughly.
the current Palm Wind property and a tract that they had currently platted that wasn't being used for residential lot. This exhibit here highlights that point zero eight acres from shifting that roadway alignment over.
Here is a right of way and acquisition visual Showings in red there is that that Taylor Morrison.08 acres of shifting that road over. In hatched orange is that thirty three foot public access right away easement. as well as parcels needed to be acquired on the east side of the road outside of that public access easement owned by the Naturalist Religious Society, and then two individuals in purple.
There are some variation requests with this project, the first being from 9016 D 11. street design and dedication requirements. In lieu of the Western vehicular connection, the applicant has prioritized pedestrian mobility and safety in their design. And provided uh those additional pedestrian connections.
both on the north along Colony Road to the uh to the parcel there that would will now be at the corner of Hudson and Colony, as well as to the parcel to the west through the corner lots.
And the the second variation is is from that BCC P D and E study, of course, taking it originally from 160 feet. to one twenty four but now down to sixty feet to accommodate Um the the ultimate build out that the BCC s feels is appropriate and that PD and A staff feels is appropriate.
With that that comes to you with a recommendation of approval. From the Planning Commission and from Planning Development Economic Growth staff, I'm here for any questions.
MarianoVice Chair
Are there any questions for staff? So let me ask you a couple of questions. Uh if you would go back to the one of the maps.
Planning and Development staff
Will you tell me when to stop?
MarianoVice Chair
Um which
Planning and Development staff
which I don't know which one you prefer.
MarianoVice Chair
Go to the one that was you kind of showed the right of way, et cetera.
Five one more. Two more. Right there. That's good. Perfect. Okay. So I want I want the Bud just to keep an eye So the development coming in, instead of having the access on Foxfire, One of the things I was looking at was At Fox Fire as it hits colony, it's a dangerous curve that's there. Um lots of accidents. Um When Fox Fire goes out to Peachtree, it cut connects to another right turn, that's hard. That's the
connection that then gets to Hudson Avenue. The reason I was pushing staff not to have the connection to Foxfire was just because of so much traffic so close to the intersection. Um
When I look at the roadway that's going to come through their property. Um I will tell you I have a hard time saying to them why they're not building it. because they don't need it to connect, they have it. But if you look right to the right at over in Palm Winds, if you see all the development right there, They have set themselves up to connect up to the north and they did a very good job connecting to the north. Their other connection going to the south uh connects over to the side another roadway. Um But a lot of those people are eventually
going to want to connect over here. And I think it's better for traffic flow if we move that forward as opposed to not. So As you can see with the impact fee on the last page of the last thing that um Barbara had just handed us, it shows the mobility fees don't cover near enough to build the road. And I'll have staff maybe if they could comment. How many impact fee on palm wind? and how many on Brighton Bay down below that are coming into the area.
Planning and Development staff
Absolutely. I can I don't know that number off the top of my head, but I can certainly get it.
MarianoVice Chair
I know Terry and Nick were supposed to be look working at that, so I don't know if they have that answer.
Yeager
The the cost th to connect colony all
MarianoVice Chair
the way through.
Yeager
Right.
MarianoVice Chair
Sorry. Is Terry here or I I see Nick Yerin in the back. Did anyone get those numbers to find out what was going to be collected impact fee?
Sun Coast
Good afternoon, Commissioner. Nick Uren, County Engineer. Uh wanted to mention that uh as Commissioner Mariano and I had discussed this morning, the way we do development of our capital program is by forecasting impact fee, rather mobility fees that will be collected within each of our three zones. over the five year period and then allocating them to projects that are warranted for construction based on how busy the roads are. Uh and so while I can't answer your specific question regarding How much will they generate
and how much will it cost to build Colony Road from Hudson to State Road 52 at this point in time? We're we're working on those answers as we speak. Um what I can say is that we have a plan to consume to build roads within zone one with the mobility fees that we're anticipating to collect. So the idea is again on a zone level we collect fees and then select projects for board approval as part of your annual capital budget. We do not
do small area planning where we say these mobility fees from this project should be used to build this road that is right next door to them. Unless that road is essential for access to the property, and then we work out relationships with them for mobility fee credits. So unfortunately I I don't have a specific answer to you other than to say It would cost more than they are generating in mobility fees and we have a plan to spend all of the predicted mobility fees that we intend to receive or hope to receive in this zone in the next five years.
MarianoVice Chair
So on the on the last page of the sheet that we're handed, I'll hand it to you if you want to see it. It shows that the Um
Development cost per linear if it was two thousand total development cost and I think it's just building the section that's being shown right there. I'm just r at this point talking about to that connection right there. to what it would cost. And it's got a difference of in excess of the mobility fuse two point one million. So i I I I I thought you would get it from me but I did ask Terry to get it too, so Um If Terry can come up with those numbers to what those impact fee generated between this project the next project. We'll continue
on with the conversation but I think I I I expect that Terry have that with me for the for right now. Oh. Commissioner Oakley.
Oakley
Yeah. Um When you do use those impact fee you know in that it's in that zone or that area they're gonna be used and from other projects will Monies will come to be used in that same area.
Sun Coast
That's correct. Yeah. Yeah. Impact mobility fees are made. Mobility fees is what the is the term that we ought to use in here at Pasco. The mobility fees are paid upon issuance of COs or prior to issuance of COs for development. that money gets aggregated together within the entire western zone. uh which is zone one in our mobility fee system. And then we use that money for capital projects to create capacity, add travel lanes for cars on projects within anywhere within that zone. So again, the zone is a large zone. Penellas
all the way to Hernando, uh Gulf of Mexico to and I'm gonna Gulf of where? Eastern.
Oakley
Gulf of America.
Sun Coast
Well said. You know the world changes fast and if you don't stop to look around every once in a while you're gonna miss it. Yes, from the Gulf. Yeah, to to the and I don't have the eastern border in my head, I apologize. But but but we um we are are supposed to allocate those resources to capital projects within that entire zone. And it's a larger area than just the the immediate area service.
That's right. In fact, one of the big projects I know we are intending to use mobility fees for in zone one is the widening of Ducubus Avenue. Decubus Road, I'm sorry. Uh from Little Road over to uh town center, just south of Ridge. So that that's one of the projects that we would have to find other resources to fund. If we were to allocate mobility fees to this um to this corridor instead.
Okay. Okay. I
MarianoVice Chair
see
Terry's behind you, so
Sun Coast
Terry?
Oakley
Thank you, Nick. Nictorious Pedos Playing Development Economic Growth. So the calculation of mobility fees has a lot of variables built into it depending on the type of product that ultimately gets picked in terms of the square footage of a house, for example, that might get selected by a buyer or or the builder. Nevertheless, um I I these are just kind of back a napkin. Um but this is this Sackelson MPUD and the Palmlands MPUD are in a rural standard mobility
fee assessment district. And just taking a um One thousand five hundred to twenty five hundred square foot single family home. as our baseline Um For three hundred nineteen units in palm wind, it's about three point five million dollars in mobility fees. And um Again. that's that's variable, that can change. Sure. But uh and then back on napkin on Sackelson you're looking at uh a again for
a one five one thousand five hundred square foot to twenty five hundred square foot single family home. uh about seven hundred sixty thousand dollars. But again, that's variable and that can definitely change based on the product that they end up building on the various lots. Okay. And what about Brighton
MarianoVice Chair
Bay
Oakley
on the
MarianoVice Chair
Bright Brighton Bay, those you don't know, it's right at s just above Sabo fifty, right on colony, right below this project. What would what would that be?
Oakley
Um
Oh, you did the calculation. Okay. That's b that was about 162 units, so about one point seven million. Okay. She was following the same methodology. Yeah.
MarianoVice Chair
So S Sackelson would be seven hundred and the others about five point two million. And the reason I bring that up. I'm not looking even to if we ha if we can't build the whole road. I will say that this development coupled with the other two uh it would do a lot for the area to have that flow going up. Because that flow is coming up especially from Brighton Bay down below, it's coming right up that way to go out and you don't want them taking that turn every time on uh Foxfire and then the turning back up on Peachtree, you're just looking for trouble. This
would streamline it and would we've made this where it's a vision road. If whatever the time the vision to to complete it would be right now, even if we're just making the connection it might build the whole road out, which would need to be down the r down the road. So If you do this as well, it might make these other things sell better, which will generate more money for the area anyway.
Yeager
I do I have one comment. If you could pull up um fifty two and colony
So when I was meeting with the citizens um residents, they one of the things they were worried about was um people are making a left onto Shadow Ridge Boulevard and cutting through Um that little building with the with the parking area. So I reached out to F Dot to see, you know, if there's been a study or where they're at to see if we can get a light on colony M fifty two. So I'm just waiting to hear back on that.
But again if that road connects that would be that would be great.
MarianoVice Chair
Okay. All right. Any other questions for staff? All right.
Yeager
See that building see they're cutting through that parking lot?
MarianoVice Chair
Mm-hmm.
No, I was I was gonna actually finally get an update today at the MPO meeting which didn't happen.
Barbara Wilhite
Well there's your update. Barbara Wilheite, 6327 Grand Boulevard, Newport Ritchie for the applicant. Your staff too has done that research um coming at about fifty two in colony coming out of planning commission. The information your staff received is that they have 60% design done for redoing those intersections. Um And that they will it's designed for a full median so it can be signalized if there's enough development. So they're I'm glad you're reaching out because it's happening right now, fifty two in colony.
Yeah.
MarianoVice Chair
By the way, as you get as as you get started, Barbara, I just want people to know that, you know, sometimes it's tough to make things happen, tough to get meetings with folks, et cetera. But I want to say, Barbara, the you and the applicant were fantastic when It came to trying to meet before this meeting was going to happen. Uh they came at 5 30 on was it a Thursday or Friday night, Thursday night, uh with the residents where they could all meet, talk, and it was great dialogue, which led to a lot of these changes in the discussion we're talking about. So thank you for that.
Barbara Wilhite
You're welcome. It was a very productive meeting and and we did a lot of things I haven't seen done in MPUDs for a while. So I kind of want to show off what we came up with. with um that will make a difference um when we develop this project. One of the things that was we heard over and over is no access to Foxfire. So as you can had you seen from William's presentation, a cul-de-sac's been added to the MPD plan and the Binding Concept Plan. And we have a new condition that talks about no vehicular access to from the project in
Foxfire Drive. We actually have language that goes on the plat. Um to make sure one of the things the bet residents said to us is in that meeting was like, Well we don't believe ya. And not they don't believe me, but they don't believe that things won't change over time. So it's actually gonna be platted in a manner that that access won't be able to be granted in the future. So it's a sure it's a sure thing. So that's what condition twenty-three that we added that you can kind of see that we presented there. I was told that I have to request verbally because this meeting happened last Thursday, so trying to update this paperwork
and get all these technical things done has been a you know a bunch of work, but it's worth it. Um I have to request the variation to not have that connection. So I added that to my third bullet there. So if that you're so inclined to agree that That a cul-de-sac is better, then you you just agree that then staff can update the paperwork to include the variation in my bullet there. You've seen this from uh William's presentation.
All constructive this was Commissioner Mariano's idea. All construction traffic shall access from Hudson Avenue and a requirement for temporary turn lanes. So saying there's gonna be no construction traffic to or from Fox Fire. And then also when we get up to Hudson where Colony joins Hudson where our access will be making sure that we front some turn lanes, temporary turn lanes, so our construction vehicles will be off be able to get off the road. Whether it's they're turning left, they'll have a dedicated left that they can get in, so the travel
lanes keep moving. And the same thing with the right. And then condition says we have to do that before we can bring any construction um equipment on site and start construction. Again, have not seen that in a very long time, so I think that's a a good addition. We're not required um by traffic warrants to do an eastbound right turn lane on colony. By traffic warrants we're only required to do a left turn in But at the request of the District Commissioner He'd asked us to to
voluntarily add a right turn lane, so we'll have a permanent right turn lane as well. And that's the condition that you've seen added up here.
A lot of discussion with the neighbors. What do our buffers look like? For example, on our southern Foxfire boundary. We've added a specific landscape buffer there and a specific buffer detail that exceeds the code. We went all the way around our property and exceeded the code with requirement doing buffering, a minimum of 15. To our east, where one of the neighbors that attended will be doing a 20-foot buffer there. Our plan is binding, so for our neighbor that That's to our south
and to our east. She's got a pond to her north, and that's will be a pond. So there will be no adjacency there.
This again is the detail for the for the Fox fire buffer that's says exactly what we have to do, what size they have to be. Pretty detailed um requirement there. Again, binding, it's on a binding plan.
A lot of this is a I haven't seen a disclosure like this. Again, Commissioner Mariano's idea to to have a disclosure to all of our residents that we do have neighbors that that have agricultural pursuits. And discussion of actually it was uh Commissioner Penny Commissioner Moody's idea to add the the uh Florida Right to Farm Act. that their properties are protected by that. So if they neighbors in our our uh project call the county The county will be able to tell them, look, you had a disclosure, you know that you have neighbors that have agricultural
pursuits. This is the conversation that the commissioner was having regarding the properties that are needed. Um so I included this information. This is what the county would need to do to take uh Foxfire, excuse me, to take colony all the way to Foxfire. So that's what's listed here. There's a couple different property owners, three different property owners the county would work with, as well as um there's some easements they would need to do a the board would need to do a resolution to use those easements as a common law dedication per your county attorney's
office. You've seen this is this is the um shows those properties. And I just want to mention one thing.
This is the alignment that the counties came up with. We came up with it together. We we our team provided facts and research. and the county team took the research and said, okay, we'd like to we'd like to go 60 feet in this alignment. But when I did the MPUD, not knowing exactly how you wanna finish this road getting down to Fox fire, we put sixty feet at our our southern boundary, our southeastern boundary. So whether you ultimately go this way or you go another way to
make that that connection, I want you to have the right-of-way regardless. And that extra right of way between what this what it would have been, which is basically nothing at our southeast corner, and now what we're gonna give is sixty feet, we did not seek any credits for. So that was just a conveyance to to try to let you guys have your options and we didn't do something to zone our property in a manner that you don't if we're closed you doing it one way or v versus another way. And then you've seen this, which is the cost, not including the um right-of-way that need to be
acquired, but these are the cost of of getting colony from our access down to um Foxfire. You can see the cost there.
And that is what we have. Just remind you, you know, this is a res three land use. We've obviously went through all this before. Res three land use um allows 102 units. We're proposing sixty-three. Current zoning is thirty-four. Um so it's well below the density that was envisioned for this area and which our neighbor over at Palm Wynn did do a higher density, uh more in line with their comp plan versus this one, which I think complements because now we have a product, a community that's gonna have the larger step up
homes in this area. Um And that is what I have. I'm available for questions. I have my team here.
MarianoVice Chair
I've got uh two comments and something th we didn't talk about but reading the full agenda item um Conditions on fifty two and fifty-three. Um I'll read it as a disclosure statement regarding the future construction of Hudson Ave and Colony Rolls shall be included in all sales contracts of residential sales with the MPD. This disclosure shall include the roadway's number of lanes in construction If applicable. I'm just wondering why the if applicable is in there.
Barbara Wilhite
Sounds like a good change.
Unidentified speakerVoice I
It may be because if if it was already built by the time they sold the lots, then it wouldn't be applicable anymore. But
MarianoVice Chair
Okay.
Barbara Wilhite
But we're fine with that change.
MarianoVice Chair
I'll I'll leave it to the county attorney. Should you just leave it in then?
Unidentified speakerVoice I
Yeah, I I think that gives them the the they can stop it at some point in time when when that's constructed.
MarianoVice Chair
Then on condition fifty three, um It talks about the disclosure with everybody. And then at the very end, the last sentence that's in there, it says this disclosure obligation will cease if all the land proximate to the MPUD has been rezoned to zoning Tui zoning d District does does not allow for commercial farming and agricultural activities, general farming pursuits, and the maintaining of live stock.
the definition approximate. If it's right next door, that's one thing. But part of the reason that we're trying to like be concerned this whole area all the way out to Peachtree as it's all rural, so it may not be right next to the property. But there's still the effects of the could happen. for the next lot over even if you bought the bordering land to go further. So Are you okay if we get ri get rid of that?
Barbara Wilhite
No
Unidentified speakerVoice L
my concern with getting rid of it completely is we didn't want to prohibit the neighboring property owners from rezoning their property to something other than ag
We didn't want to lock them in and say they could never Get a rezoning in the future. And they had to permanently stay AG. So That's the purpose for the language. But if i if your concern is the word approximate we can Change that word if that's the concern.
MarianoVice Chair
Well it i I thought the the way this was written, more the the protection was more to let the people know that we're buying that there's agricultural next door. If they z rezon, so be it. But I'm just dealing with this development.
Unidentified speakerVoice L
But if they rezoned to high density residential, there would be no reason to
MarianoVice Chair
So back to the word proximate. Proximate would be where?
Unidentified speakerVoice L
We can say nearby if that approximate or nearby. I mean or you want to say within Half a mile. I mean I I don't know W what your
MarianoVice Chair
I mean not fully looking at it. I mean down to the south is also out to the uh to the west. It's a lot of agriculture, even even to the other side has been developed by Palmwoods the other side. So it it can go all the way out to even Peachtree, whatever. But again, we're just trying to let the people know that a coming in here. that this agriculture going on next door
Unidentified speakerVoice L
Yeah, I I'm just saying if you want to expand proximate to be some set distance, we We could just put in parentheses after approximate we could just say Within a half a mile, within a mile, whatever it is that you want
Barbara Wilhite
Our notices went out five hundred feet.
Unidentified speakerVoice L
Yeah, if you want to say five hundred feet, why yeah, five hundred feet.
MarianoVice Chair
Okay.
Barbara Wilhite
We are we are good with whatever there.
MarianoVice Chair
Uh maybe staff while we continue this conversation go to pup go to more commentary, find out how far it is to Peachtree and then take me the same distance, I guess. Make a circular route from that. Okay. All right. Uh any questions any other questions for staff? No, okay.
Unidentified speakerVoice I
Mr. Chairman Mariano for public comment, um Terry, did you have a little bit of a little bit of a little
Put in the record for this one.
Or will
Barbara Wilhite
He
Some ex parte is a little bit more than a little bit.
Unidentified speakerVoice I
I was told that there was additional clarification that needed to be done on behalf of the clerk's office.
StarkeyChair
I there was one submitted to our office, Megan? Oh it was for P forty. Sorry.
For this for this one. Okay. That's what I thought.
Oakley
So does is that cover P forty three then? If
Unidentified speakerVoice I
I we were we were c we wanted to make sure that Commissioner said indicated they had had meetings that that had gotten into the record. That was for P44, yes. Okay, thank you.
MarianoVice Chair
Anything else? Mr. County Attorney.
Unidentified speakerVoice I
Nope. That's it. Thank you.
MarianoVice Chair
All right. So because we've made changes, we're gonna allow public comment again. So do we have a sign up?
StarkeyChair
We do. I have uh ten um citizens who have signed up. I'll take them in order, I'll say three at a time, so that you know um when you're when you're when you'll be up next. The first I have is Brooke Hubber, followed by Kim Santoro, followed by Rivas Johns.
Brooke, please um come up to the podium. You'll state your name and address for the record and then let us know if you've been sworn.
Unidentified speakerVoice M
My name is Brooke Huber. I live at [address removed]. I have been sworn in. I live on the corner of the dirt road for Foxfire and Colony, right off the dirt road, the first house on the left. Um the biggest concern for our family, honestly, is well water. We're on the well, we back right up to it. Our front yard's gonna be the new developed colony road, our backyard's gonna be these new homes and we're concerned about the quality of our well water as well as how many
people do drive on that very dangerous turn. There's constantly accidents that come in. One of them knocked over a power line recently, so It's a little chaotic there. and how many people are gonna be driving down that road regardless and the fact that we also have to do the U-turn and the U-turn to get into Colony Road is taking longer and longer every like month I would say. So we would really like that to be considered because I do have a three year old, we have chickens, we have dogs, we have me
and my husband. We want to make sure we're drinking clean water and Not contaminated in any way. Um I appreciate your guys' time. I don't really know how to end, sorry. Thank you.
StarkeyChair
All right, we have Kim Santoro followed by Rivas Johns, followed by Marcia Kazmarik. Hopefully they did a good job on that.
Kim Santoro
Mr. Chairman and Board, thank you for your time. Um this is kind of a general uh for Hudson.
StarkeyChair
Ms. Santora, I need your name and
Kim Santoro
address
StarkeyChair
for the record and then if you state if you've been sworn.
Kim Santoro
Kim Santoro, [address removed]. Um and yes, I have been sworn. Thank you. Um we all purchased our homes for the freedom and space that our properties and surrounding neighborhoods provide. Um, I know myself and my family and friends are very invested in finding balance in the inevitable growth within the appropriate areas. Um I've been in the position um that the woman in front of me has been in before with a a a proposed increase um across the street. Um my neighbors and I
shared our concerns in during all the rezoning requests and The builder ended up changing the request from a larger quantity of homes to a less quantity of homes in an undesirable layout. While we continued to voice our concerns over that layout, it ultimately ended up being sold to one home and maintained the status of our current zoning. I'm asking you to take our concerns within all
of these communities very seriously with respect. I have serious concerns regarding the disruption of our native flora and fauna in all of our area, the displacement of wildlife and their safety, the numbers of dead and dying that we're seeing along the roadways on a daily basis. basis um the declines in some of our uh wildlife What will those mitigation solutions be? What are the mitigating solutions for tortoises
and burrows? Um we have the the current construction that's already going on there that is moving um moving our wildlife. And and then this will add to that. The increase in traffic on the two-lane road of Hudson Ave, which is already getting more and more congested with construction that is already occurring in addition to what is coming up. I do understand that growth is inevitable. But please consider
those of us most affected within that vicinity. Thank you. Okay.
StarkeyChair
Rivas Johns followed by Marcia Kazmark followed by Clinton Wynn.
Unidentified speakerVoice F
Good morning, Mr. Minister. My name is Rebus Johns, uh [address removed]. Um representing um team Boxfire.
StarkeyChair
And have you been sworn? Yes, ma'am. Thank you.
Unidentified speakerVoice F
Thank you. Um
But uh One of the things was
I um
I thought originally that commissioners may have Forgot. who they represent. You know. It seems like a lot of times in the last few meetings I've I've been to is They're more representing to the builder and their attorneys than the public. And um Jack and A few of the other people have uh stepped forward on this and I think pushed uh pushed a lot of uh things that were important forward. And um even though I don't agree with the building
and even though I don't agree with you know I don't understand why this has to be built. Um, you got plenty of building around there. It's just gonna affect so much. It's I just I don't agree with it, but I understand that things happen. Um The one thing I do wanna bring up is uh what is very important to me Is um
Wildlife. Um I've Florida used to have a um what they call a black wolf. And uh It was done probably a hundred years ago since anybody has even mentioned or seen it. And here recently Um we have caught what we think on video as a black wolf. And If anybody wants to see it, some of you have seen it. Um I'm working with F W C right now and from what I understand there is other sightings um in Pasco County
and uh they're not a hundred percent sure what it is, they know it's not a fox and they're not a hundred percent sure that it's a coyote. So, um they are doing the research on it. And that's something to me that I think should really, really be uh looked over and paid attention to because you know if this is something that was supposed to be extinct um a hundred years ago, I think we owe it to them to at least step back and look it over and see what it is. Um and as far as uh the road Um
we have no idea of when that road would go through if he was to build this.
MarianoVice Chair
We'll w work on details.
Unidentified speakerVoice F
Yeah. You know, we we don't have any idea of you know, one year, two years, five years. I understand they said at least five years because we don't have the funding for it. Um how long is it gonna take to do the development? You know, that's that's a lot to think about. And we have a development down the road that has stood still now for close to a year. What's gonna happen with this development if it does or doesn't start? You know, when is it gonna start? When is it gonna finish? And what does that do to property values? Um I appreciate it. Thank you guys very
much. And uh Have a great day.
StarkeyChair
Thank you. Marcia Kazmarek.
Okay. Um followed by Clinton Wind, followed by John Fish.
Unidentified speakerVoice D
Good afternoon. Marcia Kazmerk, [address removed]. And yes, I was sworn in. Um
I know like Rebus said that We had a meeting. It would it did go well. I still don't understand how A developer can come into a neighborhood and Changed the zoning, although a friend of mine s told me an explanation, but nobody else has been able to.
As I don't want to lose my ag
And even though I got a feeling I'm going to not lose mine, but I'm gonna have A subdivision. a high end subdivision pushed in on me.
I am gonna say I don't I know our road is not substand it is substandard. It is nowhere near standard. It was an experimental road. Fox fire and I believe also Peachtree. 'Cause they were all dirt limerock roads when I moved in. And I understand the man over here. in the third seat down said that there's not enough money. that's gonna be developed from this, to build roads, you know, and the money's already being I want to
use the word divert it to another area. was the money counted that's supposed to be coming in right off of Hudson Avenue? There's I believe over three hundred homes. And I don't know the name of it. I just know it's across the street from the Girl Scout camp. I think it's being built by Black Sumph. A developer. But is those numbers being added in? because they're going to cut through off of Hudson Avenue. And it's
only common sense that makes this. They're gonna come in. Turn down peach tree. Just like everybody else does to hit fifty two. they're smarter to do that than they are to go all the way down to Hicks Road to turn on Fifty two to come through several more lights, which is an extra fifteen minutes. Just to get it. where Colony Road is. So the traffic is that that's a guarantee. I I'm I If
I have to suck up and allow zoning to be done in my neighborhood I'm not trying to be mean. But I think somebody else needs to kinda suck it up and make this road happen to get it off of our Not standard. Road.
And I think that's fair. I don't get everything I want. Well I don't think everybody else should either. I bought there. I own it. I've had ag for twenty five years. I have bought steers from Mr. Oakley.
I've driven out to Date City. I've bought numerous steers and I believe I bought a heifer.
Unidentified speakerVoice N
Mm-hmm.
Unidentified speakerVoice D
I mean I am ag Do I have scales here? No. The county's nice enough to let me to load my trailer, load one animal, go over to the county dump. Weigh the animal, it's a hassle. Weigh the animal, come back, unload the animal, go back and weigh macho. It's crazy. But you know what? It works. So there are ways, but Like I said, I'm ag, I don't want to lose that number.
And I know my time's up, so thank you.
StarkeyChair
All right, thank you. We have Clinton Wynne, followed by John Fish, followed by Jeremy, and I think it's Riffy.
Unidentified speakerVoice A
We were under the misconception we thought we had five minutes each because of our organization. So Team Fox fire. Um Clinton Wynn, [address removed] and I have been sworn in.
Unidentified speakerVoice I
You'd only you'd only have one that had five minutes if you ha if you were representing a group.
Unidentified speakerVoice A
Well the next time we vote we're gonna vote for people to give us five minutes each.
Um I like the tone here today. So I appreciate that. We've also all spent a lot of time together, probably more than some of us even like. But that's what a community is. Right? This is where the voters and the people that are elected into office interact with the residents. So I I want to thank you for that, okay? I didn't not enjoy my drive to Dade City, Commissioner Oakley. Good afternoon, elected officials. We are back to discuss this Sackelson proposed development. Like I said, I would like to thank you for meeting us today and beating us for this week. One commissioner
refused to meet with us. And they're not here. This is Bayonet Point as a single family dwelling of thirty-four point two four acres. Most importantly, the Shoman parcel which you guys have addressed would connect to um Foxfire. Yeah, we met with uh Barbara Wilhe, we met with the the builders. We appreciate that. Commissioner Oakley, you give us three hours. You even drove out and saw the Brighton Park disaster where we have a drain to nowhere. Um Fox Fire like you said, I
don't wanna keep beating a dead horse here, but Like I said, we know Fox Fire's an issue. We know Colony Road in 52 is an issue. We know people are cutting through Shadow Ridge. Uh we know the general store. I was hoping he was here today. You know, he would have some play in this because when you're turn on the colony on the fifty two from colony, you don't know if they're pulling into the gas station. There's no turn lanes. There's no deceleration lane off of fifty-two onto colony. And I don't wanna see another disaster. I don't wanna see another fatality because it it's you know, it's just we we're losing people every day in our county. Um
I am proposing Hold on to your hat, Finance Department. I'm proposing the mobility fees for a 10 mile radius. to be isolated from the point of the Sackleson development out. So that means Shady Hills development, everyone, we get to share this money, okay? The Blackwell one on Hudson Avenue uh across from the Girl Scout camp. We got a new development that's being cleared. No one's even talked about that across from Lakeside. Um We know the connections, um, I think, or
I know, that we want to protect Bridget. It's important and and the other young lady was here. but we need to connect the Colony Road down to behind Bridget's house. And we need to connect it to Sharon and we need to connect it to Palm Wind. We all agreed the last time Palm Wind was a disaster Um it it made the other development hold up for 90 days because they had to buy that parcel, which was supposed to be an emergency exit, but they dumped it on fair winds. Um And then uh the attorney, Miss Will Hight,
she said this can be a binding contract. Well who's gonna bind it, who's gonna sign it? Because Ever since that exit. Did not come through on Fair Wednesdays' emergency accident. I don't trust anybody. Okay, I'm just gonna be honest with you. I feel like I was duped by Commissioner Starkey. Because it changed. And um and my my ag land, which we've had since I keep telling you since fifty-three and I'm a I'm very, very honored to be able to carry on the family tradition there. But that really, really messed up fair winds. I had wished the other lady
was here today. I saw her with her daughter waiting for the school bus. She actually got her school bus stop moved closer so she didn't have to walk the colony in fifty two and stand in the dark. So again, sidewalks, get ADA compliant. Clean up that Brighton Park. Protect the residents on Fox Fire. Um get that Colony Road extension and thank you for your time.
StarkeyChair
We have John Fish followed by Jeremy Riffy followed by Kathy Julian.
Yeager
What was the neighborhood used at Lakeside's?
John Fish
Well is it?
Unidentified speakerVoice D
Some shady hills.
John Fish
My name is John Fish. I live at [address removed]. I'm only affected by the colony road stuff. Oh I've been sworn.
So Most of my concerns have been talked about already. My particular one is the well water with all the construction that has been going on. I've seen my quality of water change already. That's from Hudson Avenue all the way around.
The wildlife is another thing on the proposed property to be developed. It is close to the power line easement. That's where all the animals go through. Within the last three months I seen one dead deer close to where um where the power lines hit Foxfire. When I came here to my property forty years ago There was abundance of animals. I had rabbits on my property, fox squirrels.
Owls, everything. They're all disappeared. Used to watch a bobcat run up and down. It's gone. Anyways. My main concern is Colony Road.
I don't know how to I I mean you you said that the roadway would come in off of Hudson Avenue, but I don't know how the utilities would get there. Nothing's been spoken of that. Water, sewer, they're gonna have to be fed by that. All the neighbors have got wells and septic tanks. The other question is is they bring that water and sewer down. To connect up. How are they going to get in there? And will we have to connect up because it's
there and because the the cost of bringing it up there. Um
Is it gonna affect Or taxes. on our property? Is it gonna uh affect the Designation of our land. I mean I live on an agricultural piece of land now. I've raised chickens, I've raised hogs. My neighbors are raising chickens. We even had uh a woman that had animals that were rescued come in and rehabbed and released.
We have a school bus that runs down through there. And like they were saying, the experimental road starts at Fairwinds and goes all the way out to Hudson Avenue. So that would all have to be changed out. How long would that take? How long would we div be disrupted? Mm. And Brighton Park. They've added so much sand and dirt to that property that they've raised it up above
Colony Road. and when Colony Road was paved. That was raised up above the properties. I'm a little worried about some of the flooding that might go on. I know when they paved Black Walnut street, they raised my road. sixteen to eighteen inches. And that caused water to come on my property and erosion. And I don't know if this has been in consideration. So these these are some of the concerns that I had. I mean
MarianoVice Chair
Thank you, sir.
John Fish
Thank you.
MarianoVice Chair
Please don't clap.
StarkeyChair
All right, uh Jeremy Riffy followed by Kathy Julian, followed by Bridget Erickson.
Unidentified speakerVoice K
Can you all hear me?
Amy Heiler
Yes.
Unidentified speakerVoice K
My name is Jeremy Ruffee. I've been sworn in. I'm at [address removed]. Um I have a lot to say. Before you start my timer, I have a lot to say so it's gonna go pretty quick to get it in the in the timeline. So please um forgive me for that.
You all ready? We the people let county commissioners to represent us, us the people. We do this so they can represent our best interest when we cannot be present. My vote put each one of you here today. However, we feel we're not being represented in a manner that represents what we want. We are asking one Of you to hear our every one of you to hear our petitions. We clearly object to further leveling of trees to keep our area healthy, quiet, and safe. Commissioners, if I say this to you, values, integrity. We work honestly and fairly with the public, each each other, compassion. We are empathetic to the
circumstances and needs of our customers and teammates. Teamwork, we develop and strengthen relationships with our stakeholders. As we share talents and resources, achieve common goals. We would all agree that that's why we got into the public service to help all. We have quietly watched as car washes filled our communities. We have seen massive lots that are housed that once housed deer in Turkey now be cleared for numerous storage facilities. We have seen headshops replace empty banks. We all will do it while breathing in increased levels of pollu uh pollution. The citizens in this room and at home watching ask the question, Will I be represented fairly in this? How about
the young lady worrying about possible imminent domain and her losing her house? Wildlife is diminishing. My yard is full of everything that has lost its home. Does anyone know how many species that are either threatened or endangered in the state of Florida? Thirteen fish, four amphibians, twenty reptiles, thirty-two birds, twenty-eight mammals, thirty-six invertebrates. This is a total of a hundred and thirty-four species. How many of these are on the land that we blindly bulldoze? Last time Barbara confidently told me no gopher tortoises were harmed during the bulldozing concrete pouring. Where is our proof? Where's the archaeological survey? including
arrowheads that may be on these lands. The only reason I saw the public notes is is because I stopped to pick up litter. Such a big decision, such a small sign. We need a wildlife corridor. All of Pasco's neighborhoods become racetracks. They have become new normal traffic patterns. Gated communities are no longer private. These are all now shortcuts. The news traffic is dangerous and scary. Little people lost their lives while waiting their bus to go to and from school. Imagine not call your loved one died at the bus stop. Fire rescue's normal responses to emergencies are hindered due to overwhelming traffic influxes that overwhelm the outdated infrastructure.
Sheriff's office also did Struggles with this as well when they need to get to and from calls for our citizens of Pasco County. I feel safe living in Pasco because of our deputies. Thank you guys, we appreciate it. He's back there watching over us now. Traffic accidents are increasing at an alarming rate. Our auto insurance companies tell us it will continue to increase due to population density. This is how our premiums are formulated. I will say that standing before you today, I feel like I am asking for basic rights of life. I have anxiety if I were standing before a federal court judge playing for one's life, and yet I only
have 180 seconds to ask for it. I feel like I am a stakeholder. I really hope I am. I live here, I go to church here, I like holding doors, so you we may have met. May I keep my way of living. Can my children's babies witness nature the way we have it now? Starkey Park is beautiful. So is my backyard. Please can I keep it? The other people in this on this list here could not make it. I speak for them. How about some of that integrity, compassion, and teamwork we all talked about? It's been difficult knowing that some of us get unlimited time and consultation time.
MarianoVice Chair
Thank you, sir.
StarkeyChair
Kathy Julian, followed by Bridget Erickson, followed by Von Dennisia Harris. Sorry about that.
Hi,
Kathy Julian
my name is Kathy Julian. I live at [address removed]. And I was sworn in. Um I don't live directly in this area that we're discussing today, but I do it's between my house and my office, so I drive by there every day and when I saw that sign pop up All I could think was Foxfire when it makes those two ninety degree turns is gonna be a nightmare. I mean I've probably almost been hit there three or four times. My friend's car was total pulling out of that neighborhood. Um crossing fifty two. So we do need a stoplight at that area 'cause she could have been killed.
Um I was actually asked by her to come and read a statement. Because she couldn't be here today, but She lives by the other area that's been cleared for a new development. One night when I was dropping her off, I know Mr. Mariano was actually there witnessing what was happening. Their house has cracked. because of the development that's happened. Apparently it's messed up the water tables. I don't understand that. I'm an accountant, not a engineer. Um But it's not really fair. The other thing that's not really fair
is this new neighborhood is coming in, you're putting in sixty houses and you're only charging them six hundred thousand dollars and it's gonna cost two point eight to put the road in to service them. That's not fair. We as taxpayers should not be paying. If those people want houses there, great. If they have the right to do it, great, but they should be paying for the infrastructure that's required. We should be raising our impact fee.
all of this construction to happen and then it the $2.1 million falls back on the taxpayers. Our taxes are high. I pay $7,000 a year for my house, $5,000 for my office. I mean that's a lot of money. You never own property because you pay seven thousand dollars a year in property tax on property that you've already paid off. It's just not fair. And you know, you guys I know that Jack works for us because I have reached out to him on numerous occasions and he has driven across the county to go look at something because somebody
reached out to me and said, hey, I don't know what to do about this. So I reached out to Jack and he was nice enough on a weekend to go check out what was happening with the flooding on the other side of the county. We've got so many issues in this county with flooding. How do we put in all this new development? How do we know this new development isn't gonna flood the people that are currently living there? Do we care? If these people that are living there, if their properties become flooded because we put in new construction. It seems like in a lot of cases they don't care. And that is very disheartening as a citizen of this county. You know, because
all these people here, they have beautiful property. I drive by it every day. And they're nice. I mean I would love to live out there. I don't not bless to but their property should not be damaged or flooded because we've let new construction in. And I the other thing that I don't believe for a second is where that cul-de-sac is that's right by Foxfire. What's the guarantee that that's not that a road is not put through to Foxfire. What is the guarantee on that? Who is guaranteeing that there won't be a road put through to Foxfire? Foxfire
can't handle the traffic now. It definitely won't be able to handle it then. Thank you.
Bridget Erickson
Thank you. Yeah.
StarkeyChair
Got Bridget Erickson followed by Von it Vandencia Harris.
Bridget Erickson
Good afternoon. My name is Bridget Erickson. I live at [address removed]. Um I'm gonna make this quick so we have three minutes. First thing I'd like to do.
StarkeyChair
Hold on just a moment. Were you sworn in? Yes I was. All right,
Bridget Erickson
go ahead. Spot zoning is where a small area is rezoned for an use inconsistent with the surrounding area. As it can benefit a developer at the expense of the community and the property owners. We are not developers, we're agriculture. This is what's going on here. Spot zoning involves changing the zoning of a small parcel of land to allow use that differs significantly from the surrounding areas, often for the benefit of a specific property owner or developer. It disrupts the community plan. Spot zoning is for is changing. the intended
character of a neighborhood. That's what's going on. Special favors. It can be seen as giving special treatment to a developer or property owner, potentially leading to unfairness or corruption. It has a negative impact on the neighbors. Changing in zoning can negatively impact our neighboring property, property values, traffic, and the overall quality of our lives. Legitimate public purses. Zoning changes, including spot zoning, must generally serve a legitimate public purpose, such as promoting health, safety, or welfare. This project does none of the three. Uh
if spot zoning is deemed arbitrary or not in the public interest, it may be struck down as a violation of the process. Example, you're changing trying to change it from agriculture to residential. That's spot zoning. Uh water and soil pres pollution. These are all articles, World Hul Health Organization. Construction activities are a significant source of air pollution, primarily due to dust, emissions from machinery, and the use of harmful chemicals and materials. These pollutants can negatively impact human health and the environment. Dust, chemicals, asbestos, green
lines gas emissions, particulate matter, other pollutions. Uh one thing at conduct construction sentiment, the greatest threat to water quality. That's my neighbor talking about the well the one she she's my neighbor. Washington Stormwater. Oil and grease, construction machinery and equipment can release oil and grease, contributing to water pollution and pos posing risk to aqu aquatic life. Air pollution. The one thing I want to get in out of this article is since we're so c crest for time, the main construction contaminants that spread around
by wind, particular matter with a diameter of less than ten microns gen generating flu polluted dust. Water pollution. The surface water runoff and the groundwater close to a construction site becomes polluted with various materials used in the construction work. As described for air pollution, the following construction contaminants can pollute water: VOGs, paints, glues, diesel, oils, other toxic chemicals, and cement. Both of these groundwaters below your home. And surface runoff close to your home will constitute a
source of pollution emanating from the construction sites. Domestic animals and pets may drink contaminated water and soil may become contaminated too. We all have well water. My horses drink that water. My dogs drink that water. I drink that water. You're contaminated. Additionally, once the groundwater below your home becomes contaminated, it may affect you in the following ways through indirect consumption. Soil pollution, all this da da da. It uh from the perspective of the public, the best prevention is to spread as little time as possible outside.
So telling us we have to stay inside while construction is going on. Secondly First of all, you were trying to take my house. Now you're gonna try to put a freeway in front of my house. Both things are unacceptable. You've tried to put through my house, which that was an error on the planning commission. They should have noticed that there was a house there. That was poor planning on your part. Thank you. Now you're trying to put a freeway in my house.
StarkeyChair
Um I have the next person signed up is Von Denisea Harris.
Unidentified speakerVoice C
Good afternoon, Bondanisha Harris. [address removed], and I have been sworn. Thank you. And I appreciate like this like um Jack said we did a meeting last Thursday. Barbara and her team came and we really appreciate them sitting down and listening to our concerns and we felt heard. But we want to make sure some of the things said about the traffic. and the infrastructure goes through and are put in place because I feel like the infrastructure needs to we
have nothing against the growth, but we want the in infrastructure to be able to support the growth. And we're not in Piked because fifty two in Colony is a nightmare. No traffic signal. You can't make a left turn. You have to make a U turn. When you return home you got to make a U turn. And like they were saying, it's no deceleration lane. We you got the be ready to turn and you're not sure if you're coming out of somebody's turning into the store or where they're going or if they're gonna keep s um straight. So
it's a lot of issues that need to be addressed o um with the traffic and then with the flooding. That is a big concern we have with what's gonna happen with the flooding um once they put in these these subdivisions because we're the water is not gonna have anywhere to go. I know they were saying something about a de a dedicated lake. I'm not sure. How that works or what that has to do with the water or controlling the flooding once they take away all this all our trees and like they were saying
the wildlife you wake up and see anything in your yard now it's like a you wake up and see turkeys and deers. We have all kind of things that don't have anywhere to live now that's coming into our yards for us to help take care of them. So I really appreciate th that you're taking the time to listen to us and I definitely Anything they're gonna do to the infrastructure to be in writing and some of these things are being in writing where they can't be changed. And
so I want to thank you for your time today and I hope you consider the things that we said. And we love living on Fox Ride. We love Hudson. Thank you.
StarkeyChair
Mr. Chairman's the last person that I had signed up for this item. I do not have anyone on WebEx for this item.
MarianoVice Chair
Okay. Is there any else in the audience who didn't speak that would like to speak to this item?
Seeing none, we'll close c public comment. Um the applicant would like to come back up and address some of the concerns?
Barbara Wilhite
Probable height for the applicant. Um the water we'll have central uh water and sewer, which is county water and sewer. We will not have wells or septic. Um and that comes up from colony up towards this project from I think around the Fairwinds area up to this project. The heard numerous times about Ms. Santero said that a builder changed the layout and and Mr. Wynn said, Well is it really binding? And Ms. Harris said the same thing, you know, are we
really b you know, how do we know things won't change? Um Ms Ms. Julian cul-de-sac, is that really a guarantee? I can tell you as I told the residents that, you know, when my when my clients say something, I make sure they do it. And so I toiled over the language even with the cul-de-sac guarantee with Mr. Goldstein this morning, like We wanted to do more than just say you can't have we're gonna have a cul-de-sac and no access to Foxfire. We actually negotiated language to go on the plat. to make sure when it's platted that's protected. So we our our plan is a
binding concept plan. So when you see where the all the the ponds are, that's where the ponds will be. So I I know it I know it's hard to believe that, but for if as I've as a resident because it always hasn't been that way, but we really went the extra mile to make sure and I always do that to make sure that if we commit to something we do it. With regard to wildlife, we did do a wildlife survey. Barbara? Yeah.
MarianoVice Chair
If you could hang on for a second. Can you get the picture I I just showed? It's I know it's the same map, but I've colored in over there. I just want you to take a look at something tr trying to protect the people a little bit.
Unidentified speakerVoice C
Sure.
MarianoVice Chair
And just listening to that.
So uh uh while he gets the picture up. At the bottom of the cal de sac
I colored in some blue at the end. Could you take the parcels? This would be this would be for the developer. Could you take the parcels and just take a little bit of a sliver of land, you might say? to go let's say on the guy on the left side take half the cul-de-sac. Point it there and then take the uh another sliver to the other side around it. This way the people that have it will have ownership. And then that will even be better for them n never to change it.
Unidentified speakerVoice I
Part of the line, so that's fine. I know.
Barbara Wilhite
So what uh Edmund is saying is that the way to achieve that is with where the where we have lots down there, we include them in the in the plat for the lot. So it become platted lots as opposed to just being open space.
Unidentified speakerVoice D
Okay.
Barbara Wilhite
Okay.
any of the open space outside of the you you want your buffer track to be m owned by the HOA so it's maintained, but we'll make sure that any other open space down there is part of applied block.
MarianoVice Chair
Okay, so somehow we need to get that to the site plan.
Barbara Wilhite
Right.
MarianoVice Chair
So and we could do a verbal. Yes,
Barbara Wilhite
we can we're gonna have to hopefully we'll have support and we'll be fixing the paperwork with uh with the county staff.
So I was gonna say regarding wildlife We do a survey at the time of rezoning, a listed species survey. It's done again, the only good for 15 m 18 months. We do them again when we come in for our plans, our development plans. But there's also an ongoing obligation. If there's listed species on the site while we construct, we have to address those. So it's not like a we just look at it one time, we look at it multiple times, then we have an ongoing obligation regarding protection of listed species.
Oakley
Barbara.
Barbara Wilhite
Mm-hmm.
Oakley
Um can you speak to the uh infrastructure that's coming? You I think you made comment that you talked to F D O T about fifty two and calling in.
Barbara Wilhite
We don't know.
Oakley
It's important to the people, so
Barbara Wilhite
Right. I I'll try to do a good job. I know we have Steve Henry here too, but again this was researched that came up at Planning Commission. Um it was researched by your staff actually with at Content F F D OT. They have sixty percent design plans. from not only the intersection with Shadow Ridge but the intersection of colony and how they're gonna fix that. So they're well into their process of knowing that's an issue and fixing it. Um and with your all of you contacting them, I'm sure that helps as well. It is a full median at colony
and as as Mr. Henry explained to me with the development that's being approved, that needs to be told to F D O T so that they signalize it. So that's the that's the key there.
Oakley
good. But it takes time to get those good things in. So
Barbara Wilhite
And just running through my notes, obviously want to be responsive, just make sure that I hit the the different uh items, but I think I covered the different things that I heard. Um but if you have any other questions, we are our team is here.
WeightmanSecond Vice Chair
Chair. Good, Commissioner Weightman. Thank you. Um to uh when we discussed before the realignment of colony uh the emphasis on Mr. Revis's parcel Um
A little more comfortable with the alignment of the road. I couldn't tell I was hoping to have some more dialogue on the south side of your own. of your project, uh, with with the work that that y'all put into it. Because he's got aside from this, he seemingly has some discrepancies or a variation in the amount of uh feet of the right of way within his property and I was hoping you could explain how this more organizes what he has going on on his his place
there.
Barbara Wilhite
So there's multiple things that you all have done to address improvements to Colony Road over time. You have a route study that has a hundred and twenty four foot corridor which goes into his property. You have right-way preservation tables that provide for a hundred and forty two feet, I think. Um And that also goes into his property and and what happens with those right-of-way preservation tables, if you come in for a building permit to do a shed within the right-of-way preservation area, you're told you can't do
that. So what you all need to do is hopefully you will support this project, but have staff go in and amend those tables uh so that you are consistent with the the sixty foot right of way section that the county engineer is supporting and suggesting to you, but you'll want to actually get in there and do the other paperwork to make sure that the sixty feet is what you do moving forward so that people all along the quarter don't have issues with the fact that their property could be within a quarter preservation area.
WeightmanSecond Vice Chair
So um Mr. Goldstein, so to do that. What steps what's next steps with that piece of this uh equation here? That way it gives you the property to the south. You know, he's not handcuffed. of whatever he might want to do with it in the future and he can gain more of his property
Unidentified speakerVoice L
back. So a couple things. One is we do need to amend the comp plan, basically the highway vision map and Possibly the highway vision map, but definitely the corridor preservation tables. Um The other thing that likely needs to be updated is the P D and E. And whether we do an updated P D and E or route study Will also depend on the acquisition of that right away to the South and when we plan to do that.
WeightmanSecond Vice Chair
So this and this will come at no cost. To that property owner.
Unidentified speakerVoice L
Unless the property is gonna come in and do development.
WeightmanSecond Vice Chair
He just wants to live there and have the ability to do what he wants to do on it. This should theoretically give him more of his right of way back to him. and allow him to have more flexibility on his property. But he can't do that until we, the county, fix what we have going on.
Unidentified speakerVoice L
So it's fairly routine for us to update our corridor preservation tables and our highway vision map. So we We do that on a routine basis. But Even in the interim if if My guess based on the way the county engineer reacted to this one If they saw the variance or alternative standard to not be able to do that, you can see use the sixty foot cross section, we'd probably would approve it. Because the same the same variation that Barbara's processing today to narrow the right of way to sixty feet. If
a if he wanted to come in and build something. My guess is that we'd approve it for the same reasons we'd be approving Barbara today.
WeightmanSecond Vice Chair
Well I'd like while he's here, I know we've got public comment closed, but if you have somebody get with Rebus and help him give clarity because he seemingly been looking for clarity on this issue for a number of years since before
Unidentified speakerVoice L
we took office.
Mm-hmm. This there wasn't a narrow sixty foot cross section for this road. It was the hundred and
Barbara Wilhite
twenty
Unidentified speakerVoice L
sixty or hundred and forty two or one hundred
Barbara Wilhite
and twenty depending on the easy one?
Unidentified speakerVoice L
properties on the the corridor. So That was a recent decision. if we if the board follows through with that decision today, it's gonna set a precedent and My guess is that we're gonna assume that's gonna be the cross section for this entire corridor. Unless Nick tells me I'm wrong. Well no we're not gonna. He
says you're he's got a thumbs up.
WeightmanSecond Vice Chair
Okay, all right, okay. And then an and another piece in meeting with speaking with folks that live out there, Tony, I sent you an email?
P D F And so we're looking at the history of
Shady Oaks Ranches, I met with folks and kind of trying to understand the the story behind the the area here.
And this wasn't I don't I don't believe this this this was shared, but when this was approved in the seventies what the lots were. And then to today how the lots have been subdivided and subdivided and subdivided. into the future land use of what this current project is. I think that's just an important visual that way people can see How this area has evolved and what property owners have done with their property because they're legally able to do
it over the course of time. And Uh I think it's just an important picture to see um how this area has changed. in that the property owners and each one of you that own property do have the ability to subdivide your property If you choose to um and that what's going on here and you can see the big section in the north East Corner it's it's it's not a new Phenomenon. I mean the the map on the left's from the nineteen seventies and
the one on the right's from twenty twenty five. So I just think that was an important visual for folks to see as we're making the decision because
Fairness in owning property. The crux of this is the palm winds, and this this is what frustrates me with this, is the palm winds project. pushed this road west to the Sackleson property and seemingly they had no idea. It was a uh an example of a can that's been kicked And it forced a road west that impacted the property that we'll be voting on today and then the properties to the south of it. Um and quite frankly that was It
was disappointing to to see how that gamesmanship was done. Um And when you talk about fairness it wasn't fair to do to the Sacelson piece. Uh What? Coulda wulda shoulda's. gone gone by and what we know about the the Palmlands property east of here. But moving forward, I hope staff takes this real life example of how these roads are just pushed and when things come and it's a it's a surprise to everybody We need
to have a better plan, a better communication plan to the residents in the area. Uh I think when we have the Swasselands where projects are coming that we just shouldn't unless there's good reason to move vision roads like we've had in examples like this. Um and we get we get better at this exercise. So um I don't know if Ms. Whyde or Staffy have any comments on the points I've I've brought up today. But uh I just thought it was
important to to share these things.
Ms. Roken.
Oakley
Barbara, correct me if I am, but I think with the realignment of the road that we talked about this week or Monday. Um
The the distance to the edge of the road, I believe, from this particular house. It gave them fifty five feet I think from the road's edge. to the front of the house which was a lot less when they had the four language in. But I think that's a great improvement that gives her a a good front yard in that area.
Barbara Wilhite
That's correct. Um that's the measurements my team made.
MarianoVice Chair
Yeah.
Oakley
Mr.
MarianoVice Chair
Yeager? Mm-hmm.
Yeager
Oh no. I just I I guess my my question is Mr. Rebus. Um when we had talked about that traffic a and I had suggested possibly a stop sign that You said no to that, right? I said when we were talking about you were concerned about the traffic in front of your house and we had suggested maybe a stop sign.
Sorry, I I'm asking a question. I'm sending you a professional.
StarkeyChair
But no, he's got to speak at the microphone. Yes. Yeah.
Unidentified speakerVoice F
I apologize, You need me to state your name. Just state
StarkeyChair
your name again and then you can proceed.
Unidentified speakerVoice F
Um Rebus Johns [address removed]. Um yes, that um I I would prefer not to because uh I believe with the traffic flow there now, if he was to put a stop sign on the other side, I don't think I'd be able to get out of my driveway. Just for the simple fact of everybody stopping the way traffic runs there. The other day I had to sit and wait for thirteen cars to go by without a stop sign.
I just wanted to address that. I I know it was a concern of yours, so Thank
you very much, and thank you, Commissioner.
MarianoVice Chair
Yeah. Ma'am, ma'am, you can't speak from there.
Bridget Erickson
I'm not gonna be able to add one yard. That's gonna be three ways.
MarianoVice Chair
Okay. Um
So on this property When you build the road there'll be sidewalks running down on the colony road coming down.
Barbara Wilhite
Yeah, they're they're the cross section has ten feet multi-use path on each side.
MarianoVice Chair
Okay. Now I think it's cheaper if you guys were building the road at the start compared to us coming in after the fact, but that may happen. Let me ask this question.
If we're gonna try to work with the other developments and get the impact fee is to go pay the road. Um I would like you guys at a point in time, let's say we decide we put a road plan together. And let's see I've got the money that I need all except for the seven hundred grand. that you guys will confirm to put up if we're ready to put up that seven hundred grand at that moment.
Barbara Wilhite
Mm-hmm.
MarianoVice Chair
Well sorry I can build the road.
And while you have that conversation, if you want what we can even do to give you the option, let's say that you're going to go along and you're you're moving along and you can actually think you can build it cheaper than what is stated for the numbers here, and you want to then build the road while you are there so at least that much more built, um I'm willing to give you that flexibility too.
Barbara Wilhite
Yeah, I think David and I could write a condition that achieves that. I mean ultimately the way these mobility fees would be paid, and this is the point the commissioner is making, is we pay them with each CO, as opposed to if we were the missing funding of our mobility fees, the client could then prepay those mobility fees. Obviously they would get credits, but could could prepay 'em. So I think it's a but I think we could achieve some language, David, that
Unidentified speakerVoice L
If the mostly what the commissioner's looking for is that if we have a plan to fund colony That you might have to prepay your mobility fees.
Unidentified speakerVoice C
Right.
Unidentified speakerVoice L
Um yes we could write that condition if that's what you're looking
MarianoVice Chair
Yes. And and so to as quick as we can get it together to do that and and move forward, providing what this board does, I want to to give them the option either to do it to where they can pave the road quickly or we can just add it in to do ours.
Unidentified speakerVoice L
Yeah, the only thing I would ask that you do is if if this is a priority for the board to do colony, then you probably need to relook at your C I P and and make it a priority in your C I P. Um and then balance it against the other projects that are in the CIP because Even if they prepay their mobility fees, it's not gonna be enough to get colony built. So
MarianoVice Chair
Agreed.
If in fact we do come to the point where okay, we're gonna build the road that we can reach out to get this the seven hundred grand left on impact fee. for them to pay us so we can pay the road.
Unidentified speakerVoice L
If Barbara's client's willing to agree that I'm okay with it. I just there is a state law that generally says that we can't force somebody to pay their m their impact fee prior to building permit, but If she's willing to voluntarily agree to that. I can we can work with that.
Barbara Wilhite
Yeah, and uh the amount would could vary because it's based upon what we you know what we're doing. Subject to what it was. Subject to where the
MarianoVice Chair
impact fee total is. Right. To be reimbursed with mobility fee.
Uh well I mean we'll see what the temperature of the board is f to make this happen, but Okay. Um County Attorney's giving me some language, you want to read that?
Unidentified speakerVoice I
Sure.
MarianoVice Chair
So this is the this is the language to protect the cul-de-sac so the cul-de-sac stays that so the connection does ev does not ever go through to connect the Fox fire.
Unidentified speakerVoice I
The property south of the cul-de-sac adjacent to Foxfire shall be platted as a separate track for landscape slash roadway buffer and conveyed to the homeowners association for maintenance rather than including it in the lot.
Barbara Wilhite
That's fine, that's what would be, so yes, we can add that one. Thank you.
MarianoVice Chair
Okay.
Um
Unidentified speakerVoice L
Mr. Chairman I don't know if we ever got an answer from planning on the distance for the word proximate that you want to
MarianoVice Chair
Okay. I think we're going to come up with one. All right.
Planning and Development staff
Four million planning development economic growth. Since uh since it's an irregularly shaped parcel of I've given you two distances. One is the closest and one is the furthest as a range to to pick from. The closest is a quarter mile from the closest piece of this to foc to uh to peach tree and then the furthest is point three seven miles.
Yeager
Point what?
Planning and Development staff
Point three seven miles.
MarianoVice Chair
Okay, so I'm ha I'm happy to use instead of the word approximate, say half a mile.
Unidentified speakerVoice L
Barbara, you okay with that?
Barbara Wilhite
Yes, a half mile is fine.
MarianoVice Chair
Right. Any questions for staff? So w let me just have a little I'll just bring up another discussion for the board. So Looking at the Five point two million dollars worth of impact fee Connie Road. The intersections being looked at with DOT, sixty percent design, I feel good that's moving forward. Um When I look at Brighton, we're gonna be working with them as well between the right of way and flooding that's al along that road which this
uh new alignment may actually help them with taking care of that. But as I look at the road, whether the road gets done or not, I'm not so concerned. I will say something that does concern me a little bit as thinking this through. I think that's a good thing. If we look at the number that's here at two point one million is what we're going to need. I think we should also look to include to try to put at least a trailer or a sidewalk, whatever it's going to be, running up from fifty-two colony all the way up to. So if there are any children, whatever, there's you know the Dunkin' Donuts down there retail.
Oakley
Uh
MarianoVice Chair
we couldn't actually I mean We could possibly use another funding source penny for Pasco. Yeah, because it because it actually Nick was gonna do that for the f along Hudson Avenue, use that funding source to connect that. So that actually that could be a a funding source we use as well. Excellent idea. All right. Did you wanna say something, Commissioner Yeager?
Yeager
Oh I was I was just gonna um asked Terry. Terry. Can can you pull up the the Milton map just to show Where the
Oakley
Yes, but I'll have to talk to Tony when I can.
Yeager
Oh, okay. I just wanted to address the uh the flooding concern but one of the residents that spoke. Mm-hmm.
Unidentified speakerVoice D
Yeah, I'll let you direct here fast.
MarianoVice Chair
And I want to thank my commissioners for taking the time to meet with these folks in such a short notice too, so I appreciate it.
Oakley
Yeah.
It was very worthwhile, yes.
And in the same token you Barbara and her group met with them too and with you I think and Very well done and Mm-hmm. Showed we're working toward the right thing. These are bigger lots, larger lots.
MarianoVice Chair
Yes.
Oakley
And they're gonna be nice homes and m nice development.
MarianoVice Chair
Yeah.
Oakley
If you want a development coming in, this is the kind you want coming in because if you get those developments like some we built a few years back when we first got started, we had some forty foot lot The Bell Mass. You really wouldn't want that at all. So this is a very good development there.
MarianoVice Chair
We could step up to kind of minimize the right.
Yeager
I'm sorry, I thought that would be an easy pull up.
MarianoVice Chair
So while we're waiting for that, so is is the board comfortable y looking at using impact fee directed to this project to get Colony Road done? If we do make the approval on this?
To do what now? To use the impact fee from the developments uh palm winds in Brighton Brighton Bay. to help get this colony roads section done.
Unidentified speakerVoice L
So Mr. Chairman Mm-hmm. I I don't have a problem with y the board prioritizing this road and the CIP but That action really needs to be part of your CIP process because
as Nick and we can get Nick back up here, he doesn't allocate his fees based on specific projects. I mean we can get this project to prepay their fees, but he's got to balance that need against the remainder of his CIP. If the board wants to make this road a priority, they certainly can as part of the C next you've got a budget coming through right now and you can Absolutely make this route a priority in your CIP. And that that actually will get m mobility fees not just from the surrounding area, but the whole West Zone. From that zone. Yeah. So but
I think it really should be done as part of the your CIP process. I
MarianoVice Chair
I know it has to be, but I want to make sure if I get the support to make sure this road is going to get built if we're going to approve the development. So I'm trying to get at at least.
Oakley
those developments will have mobility fees also that will be going into the same fund. And I think in the they can work toward doing the right thing in the right areas as soon as possible. And I th I think that's what can happen. So this
WeightmanSecond Vice Chair
seemed like a bit of a horse trade here. Chair Mariano. Well if you're wanting commitment to For roads right now then I'm gonna throw out there on the opposite side they call your parkway extension. So I think we need to have different districts. I think we I think we need to have I I think I I I want to support it, but I n I think we need to have a separate conversation regarding The roads and and CI CIP.
Every road's important. This is important north south. They're all important. But there's Yeah. I think we need to have a Not confuse this this particular issue with a with a bigger discussion on roads.
MarianoVice Chair
Question David, is this in this is in the furthest west district, correct?
Unidentified speakerVoice L
Mm. I believe so. Uh Terry or Nick, do you know the can you confirm that?
MarianoVice Chair
Because it w I don't think it's it wouldn't be in the collar one of those. I'm sorry, what
Unidentified speakerVoice L
was the question?
MarianoVice Chair
The district that impact
WeightmanSecond Vice Chair
is it cut at forty one?
MarianoVice Chair
Where does the what what's the cut line on the the north-south on the impact fee?
Oakley
Here comes the answer.
MarianoVice Chair
There we go.
Sun Coast
I knew there was a reason this was a hard question. Again, Nick Uren, uh county engineer. That the cut line is Gunn Highway at the southern part of the county and then it goes vertically north. D due north from Gunn Highway across fifty four and then follows the power line easement, which is why I couldn't think of uh there's not a road that divides Benefit Zone One from Benefit Zone Two. But it's all west of the Sun Coast Parkway. Right. So to your point, Cowier is in zone two. So the difference of so it is on the other side.
MarianoVice Chair
So yeah, so I think it's Well yeah, Sun Coast Park was pretty close to it, so Yeah.
But I just want to make sure with the three developments that are going right here, knowing all this no cells traffic is coming.
Yeager
And that Fox fire is dangerous as well.
MarianoVice Chair
Exactly. It's it's super dangerous.
Sun Coast
Mr. Chairman M a few things I would feel remiss if I didn't mention. Uh first is you do have a commissioner paying attention to the meeting from England uh from your Who has texted me with reticence that we would delay construction of Decubelis in order to prioritize this project? So just know that she's out there watching. Uh I I also want to say one of the things that we are we hear you as far as the need for connectivity in this area. I hear you as as to the importance of that, and we will seek to try to make that happen in
a most in the most efficient way possible. Acknowledging some trade-offs. One of the things that you wrote you brought up toward the end of the discussion was the provision of pathways. One of the constraints on Colony Road is the right-of-way footprint that we control. So the wider that footprint gets, the more right-of-way we have to go out and acquire, and that makes it a more challenging project to implement. So what I would like is just to for the board's awareness that I hear you that we need to look at advancing connectivity in the development of
our CIP for your approval as part of this fiscal twenty-six budget season. Please don't give me too many constraints to operate within so that we can try to achieve the outcomes that you're seeking. Without unintended ancillary impacts. Right.
MarianoVice Chair
Well and Nick, and I I'm happy to work with you on it. Again, I just I can't talk to my board members unless I'm in front of them, so we have to have the discussion now. I've got the people that are here too. I want them to hear the conversation we're having. And I want to I want to give you kudos because you've been fantastic since you've been here. When we had the development coming up on Hudson Avenue, you found a way to use the the penny money to make sure the sidewalks are being done all the way through.
Sun Coast
Well
MarianoVice Chair
I know
Sun Coast
a caveat on that. I need to turn that back to the board and say that is your reward. That that is recognition of your foresight. That was a penny for Pasco project established in the resolution in twenty twenty two before I arrived. So I didn't have the foresight. You had the foresight. I'm now working with you. You're working with us to implement to implement your vision.
MarianoVice Chair
And and I appreciate you listening to that to to make it go. Could could happen different ways. So I I appreciate everything you're doing and I got I got good confidence at the moment. So thank you. Okay.
Yeager
Okay. Can we equ Terry?
Oakley
Victoria Speetos playing development economic growth. So what's on the overhead and displayed in in front of you are aerial images that were taken in October of twenty twenty four. The aerial images are named Milton on the internal system. They s they show they they show in some areas where flooding has occurred as a consequence of some of the storm activity that occurred at that time. Uh it doesn't appear that there's any Visible flooding, at least from the aerial.
Yeager
Thank you. I j I somebody had uh had concerns about flooding and I just wanted to show them on the map. So Thank you.
MarianoVice Chair
And if I could address the the flooding they made have been talking about might have been by Brighton Bay? Okay.
And I I showed pictures of this I think at the last meeting of the meeting before. They've got a roadway, they've got a pipe. And there's no drainage that's there. So it's something we're gonna be working on, but It it it very well could happen just from that alone, uh being elevated up, but more so not holding the drainage on site, which which it should. So
Oakley
w worth noting, Mr. Chairman, is that the aerial I was just informed was flown thirty six to forty eight hours after the event. So
MarianoVice Chair
Okay, well If we have the cul-de-sac language The half a mile. Um
Clause in fifty three that protects everybody with the agricultural designation. And the fact that if we ask for the impact fee to be prepaid, if we're getting ready to do the road, that they're willing to do that.
I'm comfortable with the other things that are being moved forward with staff. Okay.
WeightmanSecond Vice Chair
So Chair or County, does there need to be
With everything that's been discussed today. How's the how's a potential motion look like? Look.
Unidentified speakerVoice I
There have been three editions.
Unidentified speakerVoice L
Well there was there was all of the changes that Barbara handed out initially. Okay. There was the change to remove if applicable from We We nixed that one. Oh we're not doing that one? Okay. Oh. The removal of the word approximate and changing it to half a mile. Yeah. The addition of the condition to prepay the mobility fees if we have a plan Do find Colony Road. Um And
the control sack condition that you read. I think I've covered everything, but Barbara, did I miss anything? Okay.
Unidentified speakerVoice I
So the motion would be approve the MPUD rezoning request subject to the rezoning conditions in your agenda package. Plus those that were Handed out at the meeting. and those that have been orally put into the record. Uh
Unidentified speakerVoice L
I add one more thing to that, it which is improve the L D C variation for them to not have to connect to Foxfire. And approve the L D C
Oakley
Okay. I'll make that motion.
Yeager
Wasn't there w one other thing we were gonna do for the for the residents about zoning with their land or that was
MarianoVice Chair
a half a mile.
Yeager
Oh the okay, a half a mile. Okay.
Oakley
So we need a second.
MarianoVice Chair
We need a second.
Oakley
Second.
MarianoVice Chair
Any further discussion? All in favor say aye. Aye. Any opposed? Motion passes four oh
WeightmanSecond Vice Chair
Chair and then Chair David or somebody I think To get with Rivas and to help him realign his his property while he's here?
MarianoVice Chair
I will work with him and I'll tell Mrs. Erickson I will work for with her too to try to keep that road as far as away and buffered as best I can for her too.
Oakley
That's all the big house to help him on that, I think.