Zoning Amendment (Regular) - Sakelson Hudson MPUD Master Planned Unit Development - DRB Group - A Rezoning Request from an A-R Agricultural- Residential District to an MPUD Master Planned Unit Development to Allow for the Maximum Development of 63 Single-Family Detached Homes and Associated Infrastructure on Approximately 34.24 Acres
What the county recorded
Staff recommendation
Approval with Conditions
DispositionApproved
Approved Staff’s recommendation subject to the rezoning Conditions in the Agenda Package in addition to those that were handed out during the meeting and those that had been put in orally to the record, with the removal of the word proximate and changing it to half a mile, the addition of the Condition to pre-pay the mobility fees if they had a plan to fund Colony Road, the cul-de-sac Condition wh
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Item P44 was published in the Tampa Times on January 8, 2025, and by affidavit of certified mailings and site postings. The item was continued from February 25th, 2025, BCC meeting where it was continued to today.
Thank you. Good afternoon, William from Million, Planning Development, Economic Growth. Before we get started I would like to enter into the record Some ex parte forms that were distributed past our um our cutoff for civic clerk for approval for For the uh commissioners as well as uh some of the new exhibits that have been developed by the applicant and paper version, so everybody can view these.
All right.
No
motion. No emotion. A motion
to receive and bow.
Yeah. Thank you. All in favor say aye. Aye. Aye. As you I've had um extra uh probably an extra meeting. With the applicant and the residents? So I don't know if I think that's in there, but I'm not positive.
Me too.
This is item forty-four, PD twenty-five, seventy-eight, thirty-one is zoning amendment. Sackleson Hudson MPD Master Plan Unit Development, DRB Group, a rezoning request from AR Agricultural Residential to MPD Master Plan Unit Development.
Thank you. Here's the uh the location map. Just s south of Hudson Avenue. the uh the northernmost boundary of this project abuts Hudson Avenue and the southernmost boundary directly abuts Foxfire Drive. This is for the prospective development of sixty-three single family homes, minimum of sixty feet in Width on approximately thirty-four acres with the uh the related associated infrastructure including the the Vision Road Colony.
Here is the location map. I'm going to breeze through this a little quicker since we we've heard this one before and get to the changes for you all, if that's all right.
The existing zoning of course AR agricultural re agricultural residential The future land use map.
Context map.
Here is where we First get to some of the changes that have occurred since the the last meeting. The the applicant was kind enough to work with the the commissioners as well as the the residents in the area. The first change you'll notice is the the the cul-de-sac to the bottom there, the applicant is no longer proposing it a an access to Foxfire Drive and this is reflected on the MPD master plan. We also have added a a condition of approval twenty-three. to annotate as such
to allow no vehicular access to Foxfire Drive. We've also added in that condition twenty-three that all construction access is to happen from Hudson Avenue.
The applicant has also requested the in condition seventeen to For a requirement to construct a 315-foot eastbound turn lane, as well as adding additional buffering requirements. along that cul-de-sac there in condition number eight
Which is reflected here on the the binding concept plan that you see that's been updated. Which shows that Cul Deus Act to the South as well as those additional buffering requirements in that packet that I just provided. And then finally a change to the COAs in condition fifty-three. the applicant added into the disclosure agreement in which the the sellers would be purchasing a single home. the Florida Right to Farm Act has been added to that disclosure.
Another major change between last meeting and today was The ultimate right-of-way needed for Colony Road. Originally the applicant was asking for 124 feet, which was the the P D and E study, which was approved by the board. However, a after that last meeting and over the last month The applicant has worked uh to achieve a sixty foot cross section. Instead of that one hundred and twenty four feet.
Here is one of the right away exhibits here showing that that sixty feet of uh of right away in that typical section.
Here is the Mobility Fee Credit exhibit. talking about the right-of-way dedication of the portion of which the applicant isn't constructing, they're constructing that northern portion as well as the credible pond along Hudson Avenue.
Absolutely. So what's the credit for the pond?
Like why why is that there? So the the pond is creditable because it's going to be used to retain um any retention that isn't being created by the development of the 63 units or its associated infrastructure, it's uh it's acquiring or it's retaining some of the the public runoff from both Hudson and then the new vision road. That's the only pond that's credible. There's other ponds that aren't shown, but this is the only credible pond.
I have a I just have a question. Do you have a copy of the con d the conditions?
I do. I have a I have one redlined version. myself, I didn't want to provide it because I know that things are subject to change here and I was hoping to provide those changes to you guys all at once once we had a consolidated vision moving forward after today.
Okay. Oh, I think Barbara has it.
You're the best. Can we have a motion to receive
a fire?
I have a motion on a second. All in favor say aye. Aye. Aye. Aye. Any opposed?
Thank you.
Perfect and and just to to to go back to the pond, it's it's roughly a hundred and nine thousand dollars in mobility fee credits. that that was agreed to between county staff and the applicant for that point seven acre pond and the point eight seven acres of right away.
This exhibit four is the phase one of Colony Road Extension, which is going to be developed by this MPUD from the from Hudson Avenue south to the project entrance at the aforementioned 60 feet typical shown again below.
This is illustrative of the Of the talks that we had with the neighboring Palm Wind MP in order to change this roadway alignment. staff and the applicant work to to shift this road roadway alignment further east. Which included Roughly.
the current Palm Wind property and a tract that they had currently platted that wasn't being used for residential lot. This exhibit here highlights that point zero eight acres from shifting that roadway alignment over.
Here is a right of way and acquisition visual Showings in red there is that that Taylor Morrison.08 acres of shifting that road over. In hatched orange is that thirty three foot public access right away easement. as well as parcels needed to be acquired on the east side of the road outside of that public access easement owned by the Naturalist Religious Society, and then two individuals in purple.
There are some variation requests with this project, the first being from 9016 D 11. street design and dedication requirements. In lieu of the Western vehicular connection, the applicant has prioritized pedestrian mobility and safety in their design. And provided uh those additional pedestrian connections.
both on the north along Colony Road to the uh to the parcel there that would will now be at the corner of Hudson and Colony, as well as to the parcel to the west through the corner lots.
And the the second variation is is from that BCC P D and E study, of course, taking it originally from 160 feet. to one twenty four but now down to sixty feet to accommodate Um the the ultimate build out that the BCC s feels is appropriate and that PD and A staff feels is appropriate.
With that that comes to you with a recommendation of approval. From the Planning Commission and from Planning Development Economic Growth staff, I'm here for any questions.
Are there any questions for staff? So let me ask you a couple of questions. Uh if you would go back to the one of the maps.
Will you tell me when to stop?
Um which
which I don't know which one you prefer.
Go to the one that was you kind of showed the right of way, et cetera.
Five one more. Two more. Right there. That's good. Perfect. Okay. So I want I want the Bud just to keep an eye So the development coming in, instead of having the access on Foxfire, One of the things I was looking at was At Fox Fire as it hits colony, it's a dangerous curve that's there. Um lots of accidents. Um When Fox Fire goes out to Peachtree, it cut connects to another right turn, that's hard. That's the
connection that then gets to Hudson Avenue. The reason I was pushing staff not to have the connection to Foxfire was just because of so much traffic so close to the intersection. Um
When I look at the roadway that's going to come through their property. Um I will tell you I have a hard time saying to them why they're not building it. because they don't need it to connect, they have it. But if you look right to the right at over in Palm Winds, if you see all the development right there, They have set themselves up to connect up to the north and they did a very good job connecting to the north. Their other connection going to the south uh connects over to the side another roadway. Um But a lot of those people are eventually
going to want to connect over here. And I think it's better for traffic flow if we move that forward as opposed to not. So As you can see with the impact fee on the last page of the last thing that um Barbara had just handed us, it shows the mobility fees don't cover near enough to build the road. And I'll have staff maybe if they could comment. How many impact fee on palm wind? and how many on Brighton Bay down below that are coming into the area.
Absolutely. I can I don't know that number off the top of my head, but I can certainly get it.
I know Terry and Nick were supposed to be look working at that, so I don't know if they have that answer.
The the cost th to connect colony all
the way through.
Right.
Sorry. Is Terry here or I I see Nick Yerin in the back. Did anyone get those numbers to find out what was going to be collected impact fee?
Good afternoon, Commissioner. Nick Uren, County Engineer. Uh wanted to mention that uh as Commissioner Mariano and I had discussed this morning, the way we do development of our capital program is by forecasting impact fee, rather mobility fees that will be collected within each of our three zones. over the five year period and then allocating them to projects that are warranted for construction based on how busy the roads are. Uh and so while I can't answer your specific question regarding How much will they generate
and how much will it cost to build Colony Road from Hudson to State Road 52 at this point in time? We're we're working on those answers as we speak. Um what I can say is that we have a plan to consume to build roads within zone one with the mobility fees that we're anticipating to collect. So the idea is again on a zone level we collect fees and then select projects for board approval as part of your annual capital budget. We do not
do small area planning where we say these mobility fees from this project should be used to build this road that is right next door to them. Unless that road is essential for access to the property, and then we work out relationships with them for mobility fee credits. So unfortunately I I don't have a specific answer to you other than to say It would cost more than they are generating in mobility fees and we have a plan to spend all of the predicted mobility fees that we intend to receive or hope to receive in this zone in the next five years.
So on the on the last page of the sheet that we're handed, I'll hand it to you if you want to see it. It shows that the Um
Development cost per linear if it was two thousand total development cost and I think it's just building the section that's being shown right there. I'm just r at this point talking about to that connection right there. to what it would cost. And it's got a difference of in excess of the mobility fuse two point one million. So i I I I I thought you would get it from me but I did ask Terry to get it too, so Um If Terry can come up with those numbers to what those impact fee generated between this project the next project. We'll continue
on with the conversation but I think I I I expect that Terry have that with me for the for right now. Oh. Commissioner Oakley.
Yeah. Um When you do use those impact fee you know in that it's in that zone or that area they're gonna be used and from other projects will Monies will come to be used in that same area.
That's correct. Yeah. Yeah. Impact mobility fees are made. Mobility fees is what the is the term that we ought to use in here at Pasco. The mobility fees are paid upon issuance of COs or prior to issuance of COs for development. that money gets aggregated together within the entire western zone. uh which is zone one in our mobility fee system. And then we use that money for capital projects to create capacity, add travel lanes for cars on projects within anywhere within that zone. So again, the zone is a large zone. Penellas
all the way to Hernando, uh Gulf of Mexico to and I'm gonna Gulf of where? Eastern.
Gulf of America.
Well said. You know the world changes fast and if you don't stop to look around every once in a while you're gonna miss it. Yes, from the Gulf. Yeah, to to the and I don't have the eastern border in my head, I apologize. But but but we um we are are supposed to allocate those resources to capital projects within that entire zone. And it's a larger area than just the the immediate area service.
That's right. In fact, one of the big projects I know we are intending to use mobility fees for in zone one is the widening of Ducubus Avenue. Decubus Road, I'm sorry. Uh from Little Road over to uh town center, just south of Ridge. So that that's one of the projects that we would have to find other resources to fund. If we were to allocate mobility fees to this um to this corridor instead.
Okay. Okay. I
see
Terry's behind you, so
Terry?
Thank you, Nick. Nictorious Pedos Playing Development Economic Growth. So the calculation of mobility fees has a lot of variables built into it depending on the type of product that ultimately gets picked in terms of the square footage of a house, for example, that might get selected by a buyer or or the builder. Nevertheless, um I I these are just kind of back a napkin. Um but this is this Sackelson MPUD and the Palmlands MPUD are in a rural standard mobility
fee assessment district. And just taking a um One thousand five hundred to twenty five hundred square foot single family home. as our baseline Um For three hundred nineteen units in palm wind, it's about three point five million dollars in mobility fees. And um Again. that's that's variable, that can change. Sure. But uh and then back on napkin on Sackelson you're looking at uh a again for
a one five one thousand five hundred square foot to twenty five hundred square foot single family home. uh about seven hundred sixty thousand dollars. But again, that's variable and that can definitely change based on the product that they end up building on the various lots. Okay. And what about Brighton
Bay
on the
Bright Brighton Bay, those you don't know, it's right at s just above Sabo fifty, right on colony, right below this project. What would what would that be?
Um
Oh, you did the calculation. Okay. That's b that was about 162 units, so about one point seven million. Okay. She was following the same methodology. Yeah.
So S Sackelson would be seven hundred and the others about five point two million. And the reason I bring that up. I'm not looking even to if we ha if we can't build the whole road. I will say that this development coupled with the other two uh it would do a lot for the area to have that flow going up. Because that flow is coming up especially from Brighton Bay down below, it's coming right up that way to go out and you don't want them taking that turn every time on uh Foxfire and then the turning back up on Peachtree, you're just looking for trouble. This
would streamline it and would we've made this where it's a vision road. If whatever the time the vision to to complete it would be right now, even if we're just making the connection it might build the whole road out, which would need to be down the r down the road. So If you do this as well, it might make these other things sell better, which will generate more money for the area anyway.
I do I have one comment. If you could pull up um fifty two and colony
So when I was meeting with the citizens um residents, they one of the things they were worried about was um people are making a left onto Shadow Ridge Boulevard and cutting through Um that little building with the with the parking area. So I reached out to F Dot to see, you know, if there's been a study or where they're at to see if we can get a light on colony M fifty two. So I'm just waiting to hear back on that.
But again if that road connects that would be that would be great.
Okay. All right. Any other questions for staff? All right.
See that building see they're cutting through that parking lot?
Mm-hmm.
No, I was I was gonna actually finally get an update today at the MPO meeting which didn't happen.
Well there's your update. Barbara Wilheite, 6327 Grand Boulevard, Newport Ritchie for the applicant. Your staff too has done that research um coming at about fifty two in colony coming out of planning commission. The information your staff received is that they have 60% design done for redoing those intersections. Um And that they will it's designed for a full median so it can be signalized if there's enough development. So they're I'm glad you're reaching out because it's happening right now, fifty two in colony.
Yeah.
By the way, as you get as as you get started, Barbara, I just want people to know that, you know, sometimes it's tough to make things happen, tough to get meetings with folks, et cetera. But I want to say, Barbara, the you and the applicant were fantastic when It came to trying to meet before this meeting was going to happen. Uh they came at 5 30 on was it a Thursday or Friday night, Thursday night, uh with the residents where they could all meet, talk, and it was great dialogue, which led to a lot of these changes in the discussion we're talking about. So thank you for that.
You're welcome. It was a very productive meeting and and we did a lot of things I haven't seen done in MPUDs for a while. So I kind of want to show off what we came up with. with um that will make a difference um when we develop this project. One of the things that was we heard over and over is no access to Foxfire. So as you can had you seen from William's presentation, a cul-de-sac's been added to the MPD plan and the Binding Concept Plan. And we have a new condition that talks about no vehicular access to from the project in
Foxfire Drive. We actually have language that goes on the plat. Um to make sure one of the things the bet residents said to us is in that meeting was like, Well we don't believe ya. And not they don't believe me, but they don't believe that things won't change over time. So it's actually gonna be platted in a manner that that access won't be able to be granted in the future. So it's a sure it's a sure thing. So that's what condition twenty-three that we added that you can kind of see that we presented there. I was told that I have to request verbally because this meeting happened last Thursday, so trying to update this paperwork
and get all these technical things done has been a you know a bunch of work, but it's worth it. Um I have to request the variation to not have that connection. So I added that to my third bullet there. So if that you're so inclined to agree that That a cul-de-sac is better, then you you just agree that then staff can update the paperwork to include the variation in my bullet there. You've seen this from uh William's presentation.
All constructive this was Commissioner Mariano's idea. All construction traffic shall access from Hudson Avenue and a requirement for temporary turn lanes. So saying there's gonna be no construction traffic to or from Fox Fire. And then also when we get up to Hudson where Colony joins Hudson where our access will be making sure that we front some turn lanes, temporary turn lanes, so our construction vehicles will be off be able to get off the road. Whether it's they're turning left, they'll have a dedicated left that they can get in, so the travel
lanes keep moving. And the same thing with the right. And then condition says we have to do that before we can bring any construction um equipment on site and start construction. Again, have not seen that in a very long time, so I think that's a a good addition. We're not required um by traffic warrants to do an eastbound right turn lane on colony. By traffic warrants we're only required to do a left turn in But at the request of the District Commissioner He'd asked us to to
voluntarily add a right turn lane, so we'll have a permanent right turn lane as well. And that's the condition that you've seen added up here.
A lot of discussion with the neighbors. What do our buffers look like? For example, on our southern Foxfire boundary. We've added a specific landscape buffer there and a specific buffer detail that exceeds the code. We went all the way around our property and exceeded the code with requirement doing buffering, a minimum of 15. To our east, where one of the neighbors that attended will be doing a 20-foot buffer there. Our plan is binding, so for our neighbor that That's to our south
and to our east. She's got a pond to her north, and that's will be a pond. So there will be no adjacency there.
This again is the detail for the for the Fox fire buffer that's says exactly what we have to do, what size they have to be. Pretty detailed um requirement there. Again, binding, it's on a binding plan.
A lot of this is a I haven't seen a disclosure like this. Again, Commissioner Mariano's idea to to have a disclosure to all of our residents that we do have neighbors that that have agricultural pursuits. And discussion of actually it was uh Commissioner Penny Commissioner Moody's idea to add the the uh Florida Right to Farm Act. that their properties are protected by that. So if they neighbors in our our uh project call the county The county will be able to tell them, look, you had a disclosure, you know that you have neighbors that have agricultural
pursuits. This is the conversation that the commissioner was having regarding the properties that are needed. Um so I included this information. This is what the county would need to do to take uh Foxfire, excuse me, to take colony all the way to Foxfire. So that's what's listed here. There's a couple different property owners, three different property owners the county would work with, as well as um there's some easements they would need to do a the board would need to do a resolution to use those easements as a common law dedication per your county attorney's
office. You've seen this is this is the um shows those properties. And I just want to mention one thing.
This is the alignment that the counties came up with. We came up with it together. We we our team provided facts and research. and the county team took the research and said, okay, we'd like to we'd like to go 60 feet in this alignment. But when I did the MPUD, not knowing exactly how you wanna finish this road getting down to Fox fire, we put sixty feet at our our southern boundary, our southeastern boundary. So whether you ultimately go this way or you go another way to
make that that connection, I want you to have the right-of-way regardless. And that extra right of way between what this what it would have been, which is basically nothing at our southeast corner, and now what we're gonna give is sixty feet, we did not seek any credits for. So that was just a conveyance to to try to let you guys have your options and we didn't do something to zone our property in a manner that you don't if we're closed you doing it one way or v versus another way. And then you've seen this, which is the cost, not including the um right-of-way that need to be
acquired, but these are the cost of of getting colony from our access down to um Foxfire. You can see the cost there.
And that is what we have. Just remind you, you know, this is a res three land use. We've obviously went through all this before. Res three land use um allows 102 units. We're proposing sixty-three. Current zoning is thirty-four. Um so it's well below the density that was envisioned for this area and which our neighbor over at Palm Wynn did do a higher density, uh more in line with their comp plan versus this one, which I think complements because now we have a product, a community that's gonna have the larger step up
homes in this area. Um And that is what I have. I'm available for questions. I have my team here.
I've got uh two comments and something th we didn't talk about but reading the full agenda item um Conditions on fifty two and fifty-three. Um I'll read it as a disclosure statement regarding the future construction of Hudson Ave and Colony Rolls shall be included in all sales contracts of residential sales with the MPD. This disclosure shall include the roadway's number of lanes in construction If applicable. I'm just wondering why the if applicable is in there.
Sounds like a good change.
It may be because if if it was already built by the time they sold the lots, then it wouldn't be applicable anymore. But
Okay.
But we're fine with that change.
I'll I'll leave it to the county attorney. Should you just leave it in then?
Yeah, I I think that gives them the the they can stop it at some point in time when when that's constructed.
Then on condition fifty three, um It talks about the disclosure with everybody. And then at the very end, the last sentence that's in there, it says this disclosure obligation will cease if all the land proximate to the MPUD has been rezoned to zoning Tui zoning d District does does not allow for commercial farming and agricultural activities, general farming pursuits, and the maintaining of live stock.
the definition approximate. If it's right next door, that's one thing. But part of the reason that we're trying to like be concerned this whole area all the way out to Peachtree as it's all rural, so it may not be right next to the property. But there's still the effects of the could happen. for the next lot over even if you bought the bordering land to go further. So Are you okay if we get ri get rid of that?
No
my concern with getting rid of it completely is we didn't want to prohibit the neighboring property owners from rezoning their property to something other than ag
We didn't want to lock them in and say they could never Get a rezoning in the future. And they had to permanently stay AG. So That's the purpose for the language. But if i if your concern is the word approximate we can Change that word if that's the concern.
Well it i I thought the the way this was written, more the the protection was more to let the people know that we're buying that there's agricultural next door. If they z rezon, so be it. But I'm just dealing with this development.
But if they rezoned to high density residential, there would be no reason to
So back to the word proximate. Proximate would be where?
We can say nearby if that approximate or nearby. I mean or you want to say within Half a mile. I mean I I don't know W what your
I mean not fully looking at it. I mean down to the south is also out to the uh to the west. It's a lot of agriculture, even even to the other side has been developed by Palmwoods the other side. So it it can go all the way out to even Peachtree, whatever. But again, we're just trying to let the people know that a coming in here. that this agriculture going on next door
Yeah, I I'm just saying if you want to expand proximate to be some set distance, we We could just put in parentheses after approximate we could just say Within a half a mile, within a mile, whatever it is that you want
Our notices went out five hundred feet.
Yeah, if you want to say five hundred feet, why yeah, five hundred feet.
Okay.
We are we are good with whatever there.
Uh maybe staff while we continue this conversation go to pup go to more commentary, find out how far it is to Peachtree and then take me the same distance, I guess. Make a circular route from that. Okay. All right. Uh any questions any other questions for staff? No, okay.
Mr. Chairman Mariano for public comment, um Terry, did you have a little bit of a little bit of a little
Put in the record for this one.
Or will
He
Some ex parte is a little bit more than a little bit.
I was told that there was additional clarification that needed to be done on behalf of the clerk's office.
I there was one submitted to our office, Megan? Oh it was for P forty. Sorry.
For this for this one. Okay. That's what I thought.
So does is that cover P forty three then? If
I we were we were c we wanted to make sure that Commissioner said indicated they had had meetings that that had gotten into the record. That was for P44, yes. Okay, thank you.
Anything else? Mr. County Attorney.
Nope. That's it. Thank you.
All right. So because we've made changes, we're gonna allow public comment again. So do we have a sign up?
We do. I have uh ten um citizens who have signed up. I'll take them in order, I'll say three at a time, so that you know um when you're when you're when you'll be up next. The first I have is Brooke Hubber, followed by Kim Santoro, followed by Rivas Johns.
Brooke, please um come up to the podium. You'll state your name and address for the record and then let us know if you've been sworn.
My name is Brooke Huber. I live at [address removed]. I have been sworn in. I live on the corner of the dirt road for Foxfire and Colony, right off the dirt road, the first house on the left. Um the biggest concern for our family, honestly, is well water. We're on the well, we back right up to it. Our front yard's gonna be the new developed colony road, our backyard's gonna be these new homes and we're concerned about the quality of our well water as well as how many
people do drive on that very dangerous turn. There's constantly accidents that come in. One of them knocked over a power line recently, so It's a little chaotic there. and how many people are gonna be driving down that road regardless and the fact that we also have to do the U-turn and the U-turn to get into Colony Road is taking longer and longer every like month I would say. So we would really like that to be considered because I do have a three year old, we have chickens, we have dogs, we have me
and my husband. We want to make sure we're drinking clean water and Not contaminated in any way. Um I appreciate your guys' time. I don't really know how to end, sorry. Thank you.
All right, we have Kim Santoro followed by Rivas Johns, followed by Marcia Kazmarik. Hopefully they did a good job on that.
Mr. Chairman and Board, thank you for your time. Um this is kind of a general uh for Hudson.
Ms. Santora, I need your name and
address
for the record and then if you state if you've been sworn.
Kim Santoro, [address removed]. Um and yes, I have been sworn. Thank you. Um we all purchased our homes for the freedom and space that our properties and surrounding neighborhoods provide. Um, I know myself and my family and friends are very invested in finding balance in the inevitable growth within the appropriate areas. Um I've been in the position um that the woman in front of me has been in before with a a a proposed increase um across the street. Um my neighbors and I
shared our concerns in during all the rezoning requests and The builder ended up changing the request from a larger quantity of homes to a less quantity of homes in an undesirable layout. While we continued to voice our concerns over that layout, it ultimately ended up being sold to one home and maintained the status of our current zoning. I'm asking you to take our concerns within all
of these communities very seriously with respect. I have serious concerns regarding the disruption of our native flora and fauna in all of our area, the displacement of wildlife and their safety, the numbers of dead and dying that we're seeing along the roadways on a daily basis. basis um the declines in some of our uh wildlife What will those mitigation solutions be? What are the mitigating solutions for tortoises
and burrows? Um we have the the current construction that's already going on there that is moving um moving our wildlife. And and then this will add to that. The increase in traffic on the two-lane road of Hudson Ave, which is already getting more and more congested with construction that is already occurring in addition to what is coming up. I do understand that growth is inevitable. But please consider
those of us most affected within that vicinity. Thank you. Okay.
Rivas Johns followed by Marcia Kazmark followed by Clinton Wynn.
Good morning, Mr. Minister. My name is Rebus Johns, uh [address removed]. Um representing um team Boxfire.
And have you been sworn? Yes, ma'am. Thank you.
Thank you. Um
But uh One of the things was
I um
I thought originally that commissioners may have Forgot. who they represent. You know. It seems like a lot of times in the last few meetings I've I've been to is They're more representing to the builder and their attorneys than the public. And um Jack and A few of the other people have uh stepped forward on this and I think pushed uh pushed a lot of uh things that were important forward. And um even though I don't agree with the building
and even though I don't agree with you know I don't understand why this has to be built. Um, you got plenty of building around there. It's just gonna affect so much. It's I just I don't agree with it, but I understand that things happen. Um The one thing I do wanna bring up is uh what is very important to me Is um
Wildlife. Um I've Florida used to have a um what they call a black wolf. And uh It was done probably a hundred years ago since anybody has even mentioned or seen it. And here recently Um we have caught what we think on video as a black wolf. And If anybody wants to see it, some of you have seen it. Um I'm working with F W C right now and from what I understand there is other sightings um in Pasco County
and uh they're not a hundred percent sure what it is, they know it's not a fox and they're not a hundred percent sure that it's a coyote. So, um they are doing the research on it. And that's something to me that I think should really, really be uh looked over and paid attention to because you know if this is something that was supposed to be extinct um a hundred years ago, I think we owe it to them to at least step back and look it over and see what it is. Um and as far as uh the road Um
we have no idea of when that road would go through if he was to build this.
We'll w work on details.
Yeah. You know, we we don't have any idea of you know, one year, two years, five years. I understand they said at least five years because we don't have the funding for it. Um how long is it gonna take to do the development? You know, that's that's a lot to think about. And we have a development down the road that has stood still now for close to a year. What's gonna happen with this development if it does or doesn't start? You know, when is it gonna start? When is it gonna finish? And what does that do to property values? Um I appreciate it. Thank you guys very
much. And uh Have a great day.
Thank you. Marcia Kazmarek.
Okay. Um followed by Clinton Wind, followed by John Fish.
Good afternoon. Marcia Kazmerk, [address removed]. And yes, I was sworn in. Um
I know like Rebus said that We had a meeting. It would it did go well. I still don't understand how A developer can come into a neighborhood and Changed the zoning, although a friend of mine s told me an explanation, but nobody else has been able to.
As I don't want to lose my ag
And even though I got a feeling I'm going to not lose mine, but I'm gonna have A subdivision. a high end subdivision pushed in on me.
I am gonna say I don't I know our road is not substand it is substandard. It is nowhere near standard. It was an experimental road. Fox fire and I believe also Peachtree. 'Cause they were all dirt limerock roads when I moved in. And I understand the man over here. in the third seat down said that there's not enough money. that's gonna be developed from this, to build roads, you know, and the money's already being I want to
use the word divert it to another area. was the money counted that's supposed to be coming in right off of Hudson Avenue? There's I believe over three hundred homes. And I don't know the name of it. I just know it's across the street from the Girl Scout camp. I think it's being built by Black Sumph. A developer. But is those numbers being added in? because they're going to cut through off of Hudson Avenue. And it's
only common sense that makes this. They're gonna come in. Turn down peach tree. Just like everybody else does to hit fifty two. they're smarter to do that than they are to go all the way down to Hicks Road to turn on Fifty two to come through several more lights, which is an extra fifteen minutes. Just to get it. where Colony Road is. So the traffic is that that's a guarantee. I I'm I If
I have to suck up and allow zoning to be done in my neighborhood I'm not trying to be mean. But I think somebody else needs to kinda suck it up and make this road happen to get it off of our Not standard. Road.
And I think that's fair. I don't get everything I want. Well I don't think everybody else should either. I bought there. I own it. I've had ag for twenty five years. I have bought steers from Mr. Oakley.
I've driven out to Date City. I've bought numerous steers and I believe I bought a heifer.
Mm-hmm.
I mean I am ag Do I have scales here? No. The county's nice enough to let me to load my trailer, load one animal, go over to the county dump. Weigh the animal, it's a hassle. Weigh the animal, come back, unload the animal, go back and weigh macho. It's crazy. But you know what? It works. So there are ways, but Like I said, I'm ag, I don't want to lose that number.
And I know my time's up, so thank you.
All right, thank you. We have Clinton Wynne, followed by John Fish, followed by Jeremy, and I think it's Riffy.
We were under the misconception we thought we had five minutes each because of our organization. So Team Fox fire. Um Clinton Wynn, [address removed] and I have been sworn in.
You'd only you'd only have one that had five minutes if you ha if you were representing a group.
Well the next time we vote we're gonna vote for people to give us five minutes each.
Um I like the tone here today. So I appreciate that. We've also all spent a lot of time together, probably more than some of us even like. But that's what a community is. Right? This is where the voters and the people that are elected into office interact with the residents. So I I want to thank you for that, okay? I didn't not enjoy my drive to Dade City, Commissioner Oakley. Good afternoon, elected officials. We are back to discuss this Sackelson proposed development. Like I said, I would like to thank you for meeting us today and beating us for this week. One commissioner
refused to meet with us. And they're not here. This is Bayonet Point as a single family dwelling of thirty-four point two four acres. Most importantly, the Shoman parcel which you guys have addressed would connect to um Foxfire. Yeah, we met with uh Barbara Wilhe, we met with the the builders. We appreciate that. Commissioner Oakley, you give us three hours. You even drove out and saw the Brighton Park disaster where we have a drain to nowhere. Um Fox Fire like you said, I
don't wanna keep beating a dead horse here, but Like I said, we know Fox Fire's an issue. We know Colony Road in 52 is an issue. We know people are cutting through Shadow Ridge. Uh we know the general store. I was hoping he was here today. You know, he would have some play in this because when you're turn on the colony on the fifty two from colony, you don't know if they're pulling into the gas station. There's no turn lanes. There's no deceleration lane off of fifty-two onto colony. And I don't wanna see another disaster. I don't wanna see another fatality because it it's you know, it's just we we're losing people every day in our county. Um
I am proposing Hold on to your hat, Finance Department. I'm proposing the mobility fees for a 10 mile radius. to be isolated from the point of the Sackleson development out. So that means Shady Hills development, everyone, we get to share this money, okay? The Blackwell one on Hudson Avenue uh across from the Girl Scout camp. We got a new development that's being cleared. No one's even talked about that across from Lakeside. Um We know the connections, um, I think, or
I know, that we want to protect Bridget. It's important and and the other young lady was here. but we need to connect the Colony Road down to behind Bridget's house. And we need to connect it to Sharon and we need to connect it to Palm Wind. We all agreed the last time Palm Wind was a disaster Um it it made the other development hold up for 90 days because they had to buy that parcel, which was supposed to be an emergency exit, but they dumped it on fair winds. Um And then uh the attorney, Miss Will Hight,
she said this can be a binding contract. Well who's gonna bind it, who's gonna sign it? Because Ever since that exit. Did not come through on Fair Wednesdays' emergency accident. I don't trust anybody. Okay, I'm just gonna be honest with you. I feel like I was duped by Commissioner Starkey. Because it changed. And um and my my ag land, which we've had since I keep telling you since fifty-three and I'm a I'm very, very honored to be able to carry on the family tradition there. But that really, really messed up fair winds. I had wished the other lady
was here today. I saw her with her daughter waiting for the school bus. She actually got her school bus stop moved closer so she didn't have to walk the colony in fifty two and stand in the dark. So again, sidewalks, get ADA compliant. Clean up that Brighton Park. Protect the residents on Fox Fire. Um get that Colony Road extension and thank you for your time.
We have John Fish followed by Jeremy Riffy followed by Kathy Julian.
What was the neighborhood used at Lakeside's?
Well is it?
Some shady hills.
My name is John Fish. I live at [address removed]. I'm only affected by the colony road stuff. Oh I've been sworn.
So Most of my concerns have been talked about already. My particular one is the well water with all the construction that has been going on. I've seen my quality of water change already. That's from Hudson Avenue all the way around.
The wildlife is another thing on the proposed property to be developed. It is close to the power line easement. That's where all the animals go through. Within the last three months I seen one dead deer close to where um where the power lines hit Foxfire. When I came here to my property forty years ago There was abundance of animals. I had rabbits on my property, fox squirrels.
Owls, everything. They're all disappeared. Used to watch a bobcat run up and down. It's gone. Anyways. My main concern is Colony Road.
I don't know how to I I mean you you said that the roadway would come in off of Hudson Avenue, but I don't know how the utilities would get there. Nothing's been spoken of that. Water, sewer, they're gonna have to be fed by that. All the neighbors have got wells and septic tanks. The other question is is they bring that water and sewer down. To connect up. How are they going to get in there? And will we have to connect up because it's
there and because the the cost of bringing it up there. Um
Is it gonna affect Or taxes. on our property? Is it gonna uh affect the Designation of our land. I mean I live on an agricultural piece of land now. I've raised chickens, I've raised hogs. My neighbors are raising chickens. We even had uh a woman that had animals that were rescued come in and rehabbed and released.
We have a school bus that runs down through there. And like they were saying, the experimental road starts at Fairwinds and goes all the way out to Hudson Avenue. So that would all have to be changed out. How long would that take? How long would we div be disrupted? Mm. And Brighton Park. They've added so much sand and dirt to that property that they've raised it up above
Colony Road. and when Colony Road was paved. That was raised up above the properties. I'm a little worried about some of the flooding that might go on. I know when they paved Black Walnut street, they raised my road. sixteen to eighteen inches. And that caused water to come on my property and erosion. And I don't know if this has been in consideration. So these these are some of the concerns that I had. I mean
Thank you, sir.
Thank you.
Please don't clap.
All right, uh Jeremy Riffy followed by Kathy Julian, followed by Bridget Erickson.
Can you all hear me?
Yes.
My name is Jeremy Ruffee. I've been sworn in. I'm at [address removed]. Um I have a lot to say. Before you start my timer, I have a lot to say so it's gonna go pretty quick to get it in the in the timeline. So please um forgive me for that.
You all ready? We the people let county commissioners to represent us, us the people. We do this so they can represent our best interest when we cannot be present. My vote put each one of you here today. However, we feel we're not being represented in a manner that represents what we want. We are asking one Of you to hear our every one of you to hear our petitions. We clearly object to further leveling of trees to keep our area healthy, quiet, and safe. Commissioners, if I say this to you, values, integrity. We work honestly and fairly with the public, each each other, compassion. We are empathetic to the
circumstances and needs of our customers and teammates. Teamwork, we develop and strengthen relationships with our stakeholders. As we share talents and resources, achieve common goals. We would all agree that that's why we got into the public service to help all. We have quietly watched as car washes filled our communities. We have seen massive lots that are housed that once housed deer in Turkey now be cleared for numerous storage facilities. We have seen headshops replace empty banks. We all will do it while breathing in increased levels of pollu uh pollution. The citizens in this room and at home watching ask the question, Will I be represented fairly in this? How about
the young lady worrying about possible imminent domain and her losing her house? Wildlife is diminishing. My yard is full of everything that has lost its home. Does anyone know how many species that are either threatened or endangered in the state of Florida? Thirteen fish, four amphibians, twenty reptiles, thirty-two birds, twenty-eight mammals, thirty-six invertebrates. This is a total of a hundred and thirty-four species. How many of these are on the land that we blindly bulldoze? Last time Barbara confidently told me no gopher tortoises were harmed during the bulldozing concrete pouring. Where is our proof? Where's the archaeological survey? including
arrowheads that may be on these lands. The only reason I saw the public notes is is because I stopped to pick up litter. Such a big decision, such a small sign. We need a wildlife corridor. All of Pasco's neighborhoods become racetracks. They have become new normal traffic patterns. Gated communities are no longer private. These are all now shortcuts. The news traffic is dangerous and scary. Little people lost their lives while waiting their bus to go to and from school. Imagine not call your loved one died at the bus stop. Fire rescue's normal responses to emergencies are hindered due to overwhelming traffic influxes that overwhelm the outdated infrastructure.
Sheriff's office also did Struggles with this as well when they need to get to and from calls for our citizens of Pasco County. I feel safe living in Pasco because of our deputies. Thank you guys, we appreciate it. He's back there watching over us now. Traffic accidents are increasing at an alarming rate. Our auto insurance companies tell us it will continue to increase due to population density. This is how our premiums are formulated. I will say that standing before you today, I feel like I am asking for basic rights of life. I have anxiety if I were standing before a federal court judge playing for one's life, and yet I only
have 180 seconds to ask for it. I feel like I am a stakeholder. I really hope I am. I live here, I go to church here, I like holding doors, so you we may have met. May I keep my way of living. Can my children's babies witness nature the way we have it now? Starkey Park is beautiful. So is my backyard. Please can I keep it? The other people in this on this list here could not make it. I speak for them. How about some of that integrity, compassion, and teamwork we all talked about? It's been difficult knowing that some of us get unlimited time and consultation time.
Thank you, sir.
Kathy Julian, followed by Bridget Erickson, followed by Von Dennisia Harris. Sorry about that.
Hi,
my name is Kathy Julian. I live at [address removed]. And I was sworn in. Um I don't live directly in this area that we're discussing today, but I do it's between my house and my office, so I drive by there every day and when I saw that sign pop up All I could think was Foxfire when it makes those two ninety degree turns is gonna be a nightmare. I mean I've probably almost been hit there three or four times. My friend's car was total pulling out of that neighborhood. Um crossing fifty two. So we do need a stoplight at that area 'cause she could have been killed.
Um I was actually asked by her to come and read a statement. Because she couldn't be here today, but She lives by the other area that's been cleared for a new development. One night when I was dropping her off, I know Mr. Mariano was actually there witnessing what was happening. Their house has cracked. because of the development that's happened. Apparently it's messed up the water tables. I don't understand that. I'm an accountant, not a engineer. Um But it's not really fair. The other thing that's not really fair
is this new neighborhood is coming in, you're putting in sixty houses and you're only charging them six hundred thousand dollars and it's gonna cost two point eight to put the road in to service them. That's not fair. We as taxpayers should not be paying. If those people want houses there, great. If they have the right to do it, great, but they should be paying for the infrastructure that's required. We should be raising our impact fee.
all of this construction to happen and then it the $2.1 million falls back on the taxpayers. Our taxes are high. I pay $7,000 a year for my house, $5,000 for my office. I mean that's a lot of money. You never own property because you pay seven thousand dollars a year in property tax on property that you've already paid off. It's just not fair. And you know, you guys I know that Jack works for us because I have reached out to him on numerous occasions and he has driven across the county to go look at something because somebody
reached out to me and said, hey, I don't know what to do about this. So I reached out to Jack and he was nice enough on a weekend to go check out what was happening with the flooding on the other side of the county. We've got so many issues in this county with flooding. How do we put in all this new development? How do we know this new development isn't gonna flood the people that are currently living there? Do we care? If these people that are living there, if their properties become flooded because we put in new construction. It seems like in a lot of cases they don't care. And that is very disheartening as a citizen of this county. You know, because
all these people here, they have beautiful property. I drive by it every day. And they're nice. I mean I would love to live out there. I don't not bless to but their property should not be damaged or flooded because we've let new construction in. And I the other thing that I don't believe for a second is where that cul-de-sac is that's right by Foxfire. What's the guarantee that that's not that a road is not put through to Foxfire. What is the guarantee on that? Who is guaranteeing that there won't be a road put through to Foxfire? Foxfire
can't handle the traffic now. It definitely won't be able to handle it then. Thank you.
Thank you. Yeah.
Got Bridget Erickson followed by Von it Vandencia Harris.
Good afternoon. My name is Bridget Erickson. I live at [address removed]. Um I'm gonna make this quick so we have three minutes. First thing I'd like to do.
Hold on just a moment. Were you sworn in? Yes I was. All right,
go ahead. Spot zoning is where a small area is rezoned for an use inconsistent with the surrounding area. As it can benefit a developer at the expense of the community and the property owners. We are not developers, we're agriculture. This is what's going on here. Spot zoning involves changing the zoning of a small parcel of land to allow use that differs significantly from the surrounding areas, often for the benefit of a specific property owner or developer. It disrupts the community plan. Spot zoning is for is changing. the intended
character of a neighborhood. That's what's going on. Special favors. It can be seen as giving special treatment to a developer or property owner, potentially leading to unfairness or corruption. It has a negative impact on the neighbors. Changing in zoning can negatively impact our neighboring property, property values, traffic, and the overall quality of our lives. Legitimate public purses. Zoning changes, including spot zoning, must generally serve a legitimate public purpose, such as promoting health, safety, or welfare. This project does none of the three. Uh
if spot zoning is deemed arbitrary or not in the public interest, it may be struck down as a violation of the process. Example, you're changing trying to change it from agriculture to residential. That's spot zoning. Uh water and soil pres pollution. These are all articles, World Hul Health Organization. Construction activities are a significant source of air pollution, primarily due to dust, emissions from machinery, and the use of harmful chemicals and materials. These pollutants can negatively impact human health and the environment. Dust, chemicals, asbestos, green
lines gas emissions, particulate matter, other pollutions. Uh one thing at conduct construction sentiment, the greatest threat to water quality. That's my neighbor talking about the well the one she she's my neighbor. Washington Stormwater. Oil and grease, construction machinery and equipment can release oil and grease, contributing to water pollution and pos posing risk to aqu aquatic life. Air pollution. The one thing I want to get in out of this article is since we're so c crest for time, the main construction contaminants that spread around
by wind, particular matter with a diameter of less than ten microns gen generating flu polluted dust. Water pollution. The surface water runoff and the groundwater close to a construction site becomes polluted with various materials used in the construction work. As described for air pollution, the following construction contaminants can pollute water: VOGs, paints, glues, diesel, oils, other toxic chemicals, and cement. Both of these groundwaters below your home. And surface runoff close to your home will constitute a
source of pollution emanating from the construction sites. Domestic animals and pets may drink contaminated water and soil may become contaminated too. We all have well water. My horses drink that water. My dogs drink that water. I drink that water. You're contaminated. Additionally, once the groundwater below your home becomes contaminated, it may affect you in the following ways through indirect consumption. Soil pollution, all this da da da. It uh from the perspective of the public, the best prevention is to spread as little time as possible outside.
So telling us we have to stay inside while construction is going on. Secondly First of all, you were trying to take my house. Now you're gonna try to put a freeway in front of my house. Both things are unacceptable. You've tried to put through my house, which that was an error on the planning commission. They should have noticed that there was a house there. That was poor planning on your part. Thank you. Now you're trying to put a freeway in my house.
Um I have the next person signed up is Von Denisea Harris.
Good afternoon, Bondanisha Harris. [address removed], and I have been sworn. Thank you. And I appreciate like this like um Jack said we did a meeting last Thursday. Barbara and her team came and we really appreciate them sitting down and listening to our concerns and we felt heard. But we want to make sure some of the things said about the traffic. and the infrastructure goes through and are put in place because I feel like the infrastructure needs to we
have nothing against the growth, but we want the in infrastructure to be able to support the growth. And we're not in Piked because fifty two in Colony is a nightmare. No traffic signal. You can't make a left turn. You have to make a U turn. When you return home you got to make a U turn. And like they were saying, it's no deceleration lane. We you got the be ready to turn and you're not sure if you're coming out of somebody's turning into the store or where they're going or if they're gonna keep s um straight. So
it's a lot of issues that need to be addressed o um with the traffic and then with the flooding. That is a big concern we have with what's gonna happen with the flooding um once they put in these these subdivisions because we're the water is not gonna have anywhere to go. I know they were saying something about a de a dedicated lake. I'm not sure. How that works or what that has to do with the water or controlling the flooding once they take away all this all our trees and like they were saying
the wildlife you wake up and see anything in your yard now it's like a you wake up and see turkeys and deers. We have all kind of things that don't have anywhere to live now that's coming into our yards for us to help take care of them. So I really appreciate th that you're taking the time to listen to us and I definitely Anything they're gonna do to the infrastructure to be in writing and some of these things are being in writing where they can't be changed. And
so I want to thank you for your time today and I hope you consider the things that we said. And we love living on Fox Ride. We love Hudson. Thank you.
Mr. Chairman's the last person that I had signed up for this item. I do not have anyone on WebEx for this item.
Okay. Is there any else in the audience who didn't speak that would like to speak to this item?
Seeing none, we'll close c public comment. Um the applicant would like to come back up and address some of the concerns?
Probable height for the applicant. Um the water we'll have central uh water and sewer, which is county water and sewer. We will not have wells or septic. Um and that comes up from colony up towards this project from I think around the Fairwinds area up to this project. The heard numerous times about Ms. Santero said that a builder changed the layout and and Mr. Wynn said, Well is it really binding? And Ms. Harris said the same thing, you know, are we
really b you know, how do we know things won't change? Um Ms Ms. Julian cul-de-sac, is that really a guarantee? I can tell you as I told the residents that, you know, when my when my clients say something, I make sure they do it. And so I toiled over the language even with the cul-de-sac guarantee with Mr. Goldstein this morning, like We wanted to do more than just say you can't have we're gonna have a cul-de-sac and no access to Foxfire. We actually negotiated language to go on the plat. to make sure when it's platted that's protected. So we our our plan is a
binding concept plan. So when you see where the all the the ponds are, that's where the ponds will be. So I I know it I know it's hard to believe that, but for if as I've as a resident because it always hasn't been that way, but we really went the extra mile to make sure and I always do that to make sure that if we commit to something we do it. With regard to wildlife, we did do a wildlife survey. Barbara? Yeah.
If you could hang on for a second. Can you get the picture I I just showed? It's I know it's the same map, but I've colored in over there. I just want you to take a look at something tr trying to protect the people a little bit.
Sure.
And just listening to that.
So uh uh while he gets the picture up. At the bottom of the cal de sac
I colored in some blue at the end. Could you take the parcels? This would be this would be for the developer. Could you take the parcels and just take a little bit of a sliver of land, you might say? to go let's say on the guy on the left side take half the cul-de-sac. Point it there and then take the uh another sliver to the other side around it. This way the people that have it will have ownership. And then that will even be better for them n never to change it.
Part of the line, so that's fine. I know.
So what uh Edmund is saying is that the way to achieve that is with where the where we have lots down there, we include them in the in the plat for the lot. So it become platted lots as opposed to just being open space.
Okay.
Okay.
any of the open space outside of the you you want your buffer track to be m owned by the HOA so it's maintained, but we'll make sure that any other open space down there is part of applied block.
Okay, so somehow we need to get that to the site plan.
Right.
So and we could do a verbal. Yes,
we can we're gonna have to hopefully we'll have support and we'll be fixing the paperwork with uh with the county staff.
So I was gonna say regarding wildlife We do a survey at the time of rezoning, a listed species survey. It's done again, the only good for 15 m 18 months. We do them again when we come in for our plans, our development plans. But there's also an ongoing obligation. If there's listed species on the site while we construct, we have to address those. So it's not like a we just look at it one time, we look at it multiple times, then we have an ongoing obligation regarding protection of listed species.
Barbara.
Mm-hmm.
Um can you speak to the uh infrastructure that's coming? You I think you made comment that you talked to F D O T about fifty two and calling in.
We don't know.
It's important to the people, so
Right. I I'll try to do a good job. I know we have Steve Henry here too, but again this was researched that came up at Planning Commission. Um it was researched by your staff actually with at Content F F D OT. They have sixty percent design plans. from not only the intersection with Shadow Ridge but the intersection of colony and how they're gonna fix that. So they're well into their process of knowing that's an issue and fixing it. Um and with your all of you contacting them, I'm sure that helps as well. It is a full median at colony
and as as Mr. Henry explained to me with the development that's being approved, that needs to be told to F D O T so that they signalize it. So that's the that's the key there.
good. But it takes time to get those good things in. So
And just running through my notes, obviously want to be responsive, just make sure that I hit the the different uh items, but I think I covered the different things that I heard. Um but if you have any other questions, we are our team is here.
Chair. Good, Commissioner Weightman. Thank you. Um to uh when we discussed before the realignment of colony uh the emphasis on Mr. Revis's parcel Um
A little more comfortable with the alignment of the road. I couldn't tell I was hoping to have some more dialogue on the south side of your own. of your project, uh, with with the work that that y'all put into it. Because he's got aside from this, he seemingly has some discrepancies or a variation in the amount of uh feet of the right of way within his property and I was hoping you could explain how this more organizes what he has going on on his his place
there.
So there's multiple things that you all have done to address improvements to Colony Road over time. You have a route study that has a hundred and twenty four foot corridor which goes into his property. You have right-way preservation tables that provide for a hundred and forty two feet, I think. Um And that also goes into his property and and what happens with those right-of-way preservation tables, if you come in for a building permit to do a shed within the right-of-way preservation area, you're told you can't do
that. So what you all need to do is hopefully you will support this project, but have staff go in and amend those tables uh so that you are consistent with the the sixty foot right of way section that the county engineer is supporting and suggesting to you, but you'll want to actually get in there and do the other paperwork to make sure that the sixty feet is what you do moving forward so that people all along the quarter don't have issues with the fact that their property could be within a quarter preservation area.
So um Mr. Goldstein, so to do that. What steps what's next steps with that piece of this uh equation here? That way it gives you the property to the south. You know, he's not handcuffed. of whatever he might want to do with it in the future and he can gain more of his property
back. So a couple things. One is we do need to amend the comp plan, basically the highway vision map and Possibly the highway vision map, but definitely the corridor preservation tables. Um The other thing that likely needs to be updated is the P D and E. And whether we do an updated P D and E or route study Will also depend on the acquisition of that right away to the South and when we plan to do that.
So this and this will come at no cost. To that property owner.
Unless the property is gonna come in and do development.
He just wants to live there and have the ability to do what he wants to do on it. This should theoretically give him more of his right of way back to him. and allow him to have more flexibility on his property. But he can't do that until we, the county, fix what we have going on.
So it's fairly routine for us to update our corridor preservation tables and our highway vision map. So we We do that on a routine basis. But Even in the interim if if My guess based on the way the county engineer reacted to this one If they saw the variance or alternative standard to not be able to do that, you can see use the sixty foot cross section, we'd probably would approve it. Because the same the same variation that Barbara's processing today to narrow the right of way to sixty feet. If
a if he wanted to come in and build something. My guess is that we'd approve it for the same reasons we'd be approving Barbara today.
Well I'd like while he's here, I know we've got public comment closed, but if you have somebody get with Rebus and help him give clarity because he seemingly been looking for clarity on this issue for a number of years since before
we took office.
Mm-hmm. This there wasn't a narrow sixty foot cross section for this road. It was the hundred and
twenty
sixty or hundred and forty two or one hundred
and twenty depending on the easy one?
properties on the the corridor. So That was a recent decision. if we if the board follows through with that decision today, it's gonna set a precedent and My guess is that we're gonna assume that's gonna be the cross section for this entire corridor. Unless Nick tells me I'm wrong. Well no we're not gonna. He
says you're he's got a thumbs up.
Okay, all right, okay. And then an and another piece in meeting with speaking with folks that live out there, Tony, I sent you an email?
P D F And so we're looking at the history of
Shady Oaks Ranches, I met with folks and kind of trying to understand the the story behind the the area here.
And this wasn't I don't I don't believe this this this was shared, but when this was approved in the seventies what the lots were. And then to today how the lots have been subdivided and subdivided and subdivided. into the future land use of what this current project is. I think that's just an important visual that way people can see How this area has evolved and what property owners have done with their property because they're legally able to do
it over the course of time. And Uh I think it's just an important picture to see um how this area has changed. in that the property owners and each one of you that own property do have the ability to subdivide your property If you choose to um and that what's going on here and you can see the big section in the north East Corner it's it's it's not a new Phenomenon. I mean the the map on the left's from the nineteen seventies and
the one on the right's from twenty twenty five. So I just think that was an important visual for folks to see as we're making the decision because
Fairness in owning property. The crux of this is the palm winds, and this this is what frustrates me with this, is the palm winds project. pushed this road west to the Sackleson property and seemingly they had no idea. It was a uh an example of a can that's been kicked And it forced a road west that impacted the property that we'll be voting on today and then the properties to the south of it. Um and quite frankly that was It
was disappointing to to see how that gamesmanship was done. Um And when you talk about fairness it wasn't fair to do to the Sacelson piece. Uh What? Coulda wulda shoulda's. gone gone by and what we know about the the Palmlands property east of here. But moving forward, I hope staff takes this real life example of how these roads are just pushed and when things come and it's a it's a surprise to everybody We need
to have a better plan, a better communication plan to the residents in the area. Uh I think when we have the Swasselands where projects are coming that we just shouldn't unless there's good reason to move vision roads like we've had in examples like this. Um and we get we get better at this exercise. So um I don't know if Ms. Whyde or Staffy have any comments on the points I've I've brought up today. But uh I just thought it was
important to to share these things.
Ms. Roken.
Barbara, correct me if I am, but I think with the realignment of the road that we talked about this week or Monday. Um
The the distance to the edge of the road, I believe, from this particular house. It gave them fifty five feet I think from the road's edge. to the front of the house which was a lot less when they had the four language in. But I think that's a great improvement that gives her a a good front yard in that area.
That's correct. Um that's the measurements my team made.
Yeah.
Mr.
Yeager? Mm-hmm.
Oh no. I just I I guess my my question is Mr. Rebus. Um when we had talked about that traffic a and I had suggested possibly a stop sign that You said no to that, right? I said when we were talking about you were concerned about the traffic in front of your house and we had suggested maybe a stop sign.
Sorry, I I'm asking a question. I'm sending you a professional.
But no, he's got to speak at the microphone. Yes. Yeah.
I apologize, You need me to state your name. Just state
your name again and then you can proceed.
Um Rebus Johns [address removed]. Um yes, that um I I would prefer not to because uh I believe with the traffic flow there now, if he was to put a stop sign on the other side, I don't think I'd be able to get out of my driveway. Just for the simple fact of everybody stopping the way traffic runs there. The other day I had to sit and wait for thirteen cars to go by without a stop sign.
I just wanted to address that. I I know it was a concern of yours, so Thank
you very much, and thank you, Commissioner.
Yeah. Ma'am, ma'am, you can't speak from there.
I'm not gonna be able to add one yard. That's gonna be three ways.
Okay. Um
So on this property When you build the road there'll be sidewalks running down on the colony road coming down.
Yeah, they're they're the cross section has ten feet multi-use path on each side.
Okay. Now I think it's cheaper if you guys were building the road at the start compared to us coming in after the fact, but that may happen. Let me ask this question.
If we're gonna try to work with the other developments and get the impact fee is to go pay the road. Um I would like you guys at a point in time, let's say we decide we put a road plan together. And let's see I've got the money that I need all except for the seven hundred grand. that you guys will confirm to put up if we're ready to put up that seven hundred grand at that moment.
Mm-hmm.
Well sorry I can build the road.
And while you have that conversation, if you want what we can even do to give you the option, let's say that you're going to go along and you're you're moving along and you can actually think you can build it cheaper than what is stated for the numbers here, and you want to then build the road while you are there so at least that much more built, um I'm willing to give you that flexibility too.
Yeah, I think David and I could write a condition that achieves that. I mean ultimately the way these mobility fees would be paid, and this is the point the commissioner is making, is we pay them with each CO, as opposed to if we were the missing funding of our mobility fees, the client could then prepay those mobility fees. Obviously they would get credits, but could could prepay 'em. So I think it's a but I think we could achieve some language, David, that
If the mostly what the commissioner's looking for is that if we have a plan to fund colony That you might have to prepay your mobility fees.
Right.
Um yes we could write that condition if that's what you're looking
Yes. And and so to as quick as we can get it together to do that and and move forward, providing what this board does, I want to to give them the option either to do it to where they can pave the road quickly or we can just add it in to do ours.
Yeah, the only thing I would ask that you do is if if this is a priority for the board to do colony, then you probably need to relook at your C I P and and make it a priority in your C I P. Um and then balance it against the other projects that are in the CIP because Even if they prepay their mobility fees, it's not gonna be enough to get colony built. So
Agreed.
If in fact we do come to the point where okay, we're gonna build the road that we can reach out to get this the seven hundred grand left on impact fee. for them to pay us so we can pay the road.
If Barbara's client's willing to agree that I'm okay with it. I just there is a state law that generally says that we can't force somebody to pay their m their impact fee prior to building permit, but If she's willing to voluntarily agree to that. I can we can work with that.
Yeah, and uh the amount would could vary because it's based upon what we you know what we're doing. Subject to what it was. Subject to where the
impact fee total is. Right. To be reimbursed with mobility fee.
Uh well I mean we'll see what the temperature of the board is f to make this happen, but Okay. Um County Attorney's giving me some language, you want to read that?
Sure.
So this is the this is the language to protect the cul-de-sac so the cul-de-sac stays that so the connection does ev does not ever go through to connect the Fox fire.
The property south of the cul-de-sac adjacent to Foxfire shall be platted as a separate track for landscape slash roadway buffer and conveyed to the homeowners association for maintenance rather than including it in the lot.
That's fine, that's what would be, so yes, we can add that one. Thank you.
Okay.
Um
Mr. Chairman I don't know if we ever got an answer from planning on the distance for the word proximate that you want to
Okay. I think we're going to come up with one. All right.
Four million planning development economic growth. Since uh since it's an irregularly shaped parcel of I've given you two distances. One is the closest and one is the furthest as a range to to pick from. The closest is a quarter mile from the closest piece of this to foc to uh to peach tree and then the furthest is point three seven miles.
Point what?
Point three seven miles.
Okay, so I'm ha I'm happy to use instead of the word approximate, say half a mile.
Barbara, you okay with that?
Yes, a half mile is fine.
Right. Any questions for staff? So w let me just have a little I'll just bring up another discussion for the board. So Looking at the Five point two million dollars worth of impact fee Connie Road. The intersections being looked at with DOT, sixty percent design, I feel good that's moving forward. Um When I look at Brighton, we're gonna be working with them as well between the right of way and flooding that's al along that road which this
uh new alignment may actually help them with taking care of that. But as I look at the road, whether the road gets done or not, I'm not so concerned. I will say something that does concern me a little bit as thinking this through. I think that's a good thing. If we look at the number that's here at two point one million is what we're going to need. I think we should also look to include to try to put at least a trailer or a sidewalk, whatever it's going to be, running up from fifty-two colony all the way up to. So if there are any children, whatever, there's you know the Dunkin' Donuts down there retail.
Uh
we couldn't actually I mean We could possibly use another funding source penny for Pasco. Yeah, because it because it actually Nick was gonna do that for the f along Hudson Avenue, use that funding source to connect that. So that actually that could be a a funding source we use as well. Excellent idea. All right. Did you wanna say something, Commissioner Yeager?
Oh I was I was just gonna um asked Terry. Terry. Can can you pull up the the Milton map just to show Where the
Yes, but I'll have to talk to Tony when I can.
Oh, okay. I just wanted to address the uh the flooding concern but one of the residents that spoke. Mm-hmm.
Yeah, I'll let you direct here fast.
And I want to thank my commissioners for taking the time to meet with these folks in such a short notice too, so I appreciate it.
Yeah.
It was very worthwhile, yes.
And in the same token you Barbara and her group met with them too and with you I think and Very well done and Mm-hmm. Showed we're working toward the right thing. These are bigger lots, larger lots.
Yes.
And they're gonna be nice homes and m nice development.
Yeah.
If you want a development coming in, this is the kind you want coming in because if you get those developments like some we built a few years back when we first got started, we had some forty foot lot The Bell Mass. You really wouldn't want that at all. So this is a very good development there.
We could step up to kind of minimize the right.
I'm sorry, I thought that would be an easy pull up.
So while we're waiting for that, so is is the board comfortable y looking at using impact fee directed to this project to get Colony Road done? If we do make the approval on this?
To do what now? To use the impact fee from the developments uh palm winds in Brighton Brighton Bay. to help get this colony roads section done.
So Mr. Chairman Mm-hmm. I I don't have a problem with y the board prioritizing this road and the CIP but That action really needs to be part of your CIP process because
as Nick and we can get Nick back up here, he doesn't allocate his fees based on specific projects. I mean we can get this project to prepay their fees, but he's got to balance that need against the remainder of his CIP. If the board wants to make this road a priority, they certainly can as part of the C next you've got a budget coming through right now and you can Absolutely make this route a priority in your CIP. And that that actually will get m mobility fees not just from the surrounding area, but the whole West Zone. From that zone. Yeah. So but
I think it really should be done as part of the your CIP process. I
I know it has to be, but I want to make sure if I get the support to make sure this road is going to get built if we're going to approve the development. So I'm trying to get at at least.
those developments will have mobility fees also that will be going into the same fund. And I think in the they can work toward doing the right thing in the right areas as soon as possible. And I th I think that's what can happen. So this
seemed like a bit of a horse trade here. Chair Mariano. Well if you're wanting commitment to For roads right now then I'm gonna throw out there on the opposite side they call your parkway extension. So I think we need to have different districts. I think we I think we need to have I I think I I I want to support it, but I n I think we need to have a separate conversation regarding The roads and and CI CIP.
Every road's important. This is important north south. They're all important. But there's Yeah. I think we need to have a Not confuse this this particular issue with a with a bigger discussion on roads.
Question David, is this in this is in the furthest west district, correct?
Mm. I believe so. Uh Terry or Nick, do you know the can you confirm that?
Because it w I don't think it's it wouldn't be in the collar one of those. I'm sorry, what
was the question?
The district that impact
is it cut at forty one?
Where does the what what's the cut line on the the north-south on the impact fee?
Here comes the answer.
There we go.
I knew there was a reason this was a hard question. Again, Nick Uren, uh county engineer. That the cut line is Gunn Highway at the southern part of the county and then it goes vertically north. D due north from Gunn Highway across fifty four and then follows the power line easement, which is why I couldn't think of uh there's not a road that divides Benefit Zone One from Benefit Zone Two. But it's all west of the Sun Coast Parkway. Right. So to your point, Cowier is in zone two. So the difference of so it is on the other side.
So yeah, so I think it's Well yeah, Sun Coast Park was pretty close to it, so Yeah.
But I just want to make sure with the three developments that are going right here, knowing all this no cells traffic is coming.
And that Fox fire is dangerous as well.
Exactly. It's it's super dangerous.
Mr. Chairman M a few things I would feel remiss if I didn't mention. Uh first is you do have a commissioner paying attention to the meeting from England uh from your Who has texted me with reticence that we would delay construction of Decubelis in order to prioritize this project? So just know that she's out there watching. Uh I I also want to say one of the things that we are we hear you as far as the need for connectivity in this area. I hear you as as to the importance of that, and we will seek to try to make that happen in
a most in the most efficient way possible. Acknowledging some trade-offs. One of the things that you wrote you brought up toward the end of the discussion was the provision of pathways. One of the constraints on Colony Road is the right-of-way footprint that we control. So the wider that footprint gets, the more right-of-way we have to go out and acquire, and that makes it a more challenging project to implement. So what I would like is just to for the board's awareness that I hear you that we need to look at advancing connectivity in the development of
our CIP for your approval as part of this fiscal twenty-six budget season. Please don't give me too many constraints to operate within so that we can try to achieve the outcomes that you're seeking. Without unintended ancillary impacts. Right.
Well and Nick, and I I'm happy to work with you on it. Again, I just I can't talk to my board members unless I'm in front of them, so we have to have the discussion now. I've got the people that are here too. I want them to hear the conversation we're having. And I want to I want to give you kudos because you've been fantastic since you've been here. When we had the development coming up on Hudson Avenue, you found a way to use the the penny money to make sure the sidewalks are being done all the way through.
Well
I know
a caveat on that. I need to turn that back to the board and say that is your reward. That that is recognition of your foresight. That was a penny for Pasco project established in the resolution in twenty twenty two before I arrived. So I didn't have the foresight. You had the foresight. I'm now working with you. You're working with us to implement to implement your vision.
And and I appreciate you listening to that to to make it go. Could could happen different ways. So I I appreciate everything you're doing and I got I got good confidence at the moment. So thank you. Okay.
Okay. Can we equ Terry?
Victoria Speetos playing development economic growth. So what's on the overhead and displayed in in front of you are aerial images that were taken in October of twenty twenty four. The aerial images are named Milton on the internal system. They s they show they they show in some areas where flooding has occurred as a consequence of some of the storm activity that occurred at that time. Uh it doesn't appear that there's any Visible flooding, at least from the aerial.
Thank you. I j I somebody had uh had concerns about flooding and I just wanted to show them on the map. So Thank you.
And if I could address the the flooding they made have been talking about might have been by Brighton Bay? Okay.
And I I showed pictures of this I think at the last meeting of the meeting before. They've got a roadway, they've got a pipe. And there's no drainage that's there. So it's something we're gonna be working on, but It it it very well could happen just from that alone, uh being elevated up, but more so not holding the drainage on site, which which it should. So
w worth noting, Mr. Chairman, is that the aerial I was just informed was flown thirty six to forty eight hours after the event. So
Okay, well If we have the cul-de-sac language The half a mile. Um
Clause in fifty three that protects everybody with the agricultural designation. And the fact that if we ask for the impact fee to be prepaid, if we're getting ready to do the road, that they're willing to do that.
I'm comfortable with the other things that are being moved forward with staff. Okay.
So Chair or County, does there need to be
With everything that's been discussed today. How's the how's a potential motion look like? Look.
There have been three editions.
Well there was there was all of the changes that Barbara handed out initially. Okay. There was the change to remove if applicable from We We nixed that one. Oh we're not doing that one? Okay. Oh. The removal of the word approximate and changing it to half a mile. Yeah. The addition of the condition to prepay the mobility fees if we have a plan Do find Colony Road. Um And
the control sack condition that you read. I think I've covered everything, but Barbara, did I miss anything? Okay.
So the motion would be approve the MPUD rezoning request subject to the rezoning conditions in your agenda package. Plus those that were Handed out at the meeting. and those that have been orally put into the record. Uh
I add one more thing to that, it which is improve the L D C variation for them to not have to connect to Foxfire. And approve the L D C
Okay. I'll make that motion.
Wasn't there w one other thing we were gonna do for the for the residents about zoning with their land or that was
a half a mile.
Oh the okay, a half a mile. Okay.
So we need a second.
We need a second.
Second.
Any further discussion? All in favor say aye. Aye. Any opposed? Motion passes four oh
Chair and then Chair David or somebody I think To get with Rivas and to help him realign his his property while he's here?
I will work with him and I'll tell Mrs. Erickson I will work for with her too to try to keep that road as far as away and buffered as best I can for her too.
That's all the big house to help him on that, I think.