Zoning Amendment (Consent) - Sakelson Hudson MPUD Master Planned Unit Development - DRB Group - A Rezoning Request from an A-R Agricultural- Residential District to an MPUD Master Planned Unit Development to Allow for the Maximum Development of 63 Single-Family Detached Homes and Associated Infrastructure on Approximately 34.24 acres.
What the county recorded
Staff recommendation
Approval with Conditions
DispositionApproved
Approved the item per Staff’s recommendation with the addition of a Right-of-Way dedication for the missing interconnect.
The source document
The county’s agenda for Planning Commission, Jan 23, 2025
The published PDF, as served by the county. This item is one entry in it.
The county’s minutes for Planning Commission, Jan 23, 2025
The published PDF, as served by the county. This item is one entry in it.
This case, across meetings
PDE-25-7831 in full →PDE-25-7831 was taken up 3 times between Jan 23, 2025 and Mar 25, 2025, continued 1 time — this is appearance 1.
- Jan 23, 2025PlanningPC6▶Approvedthis item
- Feb 25, 2025BoardP39▶Continued
- Mar 25, 2025BoardP44▶Approved
What was said
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PC six.
Good afternoon, Planning Commission members. My name is Kurt Siversen of Planning Development and Economic Growth. It's my distinct privilege to present to you for the first time. We'll be easy
on
you.
We don't bite that hard. Uh-huh.
Agenda item P D E twenty five seventy eight thirty one is Sackelson Hudson M P U D
Locationally we're in northwest Pasco County in Commissioner Mariano's district.
The overview here is a rezoning petition from AR Agricultural Residential. to prospective MPUD master plan unit development. The prospective development would be 63 single family homes. All product types are 60-foot wide lots with 120-foot depth on approximately 34.24 acres. with related infrastructure.
The northernmost boundary of this project abuts Hudson Avenue, the southernmost boundary abuts Firefox Drive.
The property retains its original AR zoning. The immediate surrounding zoning types are AR, AC agricultural, and MPUD. The current density of this property is one dwelling unit per acre, allotting thirty-four units by gross acreage. Granted approval of prospective Sackleson Hudson MPUD, the property's density would increase to nearly two units an acre or 0.54. The increase in density is appropriate for the growth of this area without exhausting existing
infrastructure.
Our future land use of the subject property is residential three. Residential three dwelling units per acre. The permissible maximum development by gross acreage would be 102 units. This project seeks a maximum development of 63. nearly half the permissible by total gross acreage.
By our context map, perspective Sacklin Hudson is appropriate for the growth of Hudson, considering their immediate neighbor approved MPD Palm Wynn. approved for three hundred and nineteen homes. The grading of this neighborhood has begun. The paved portion of County Collective Roadway, Colony Road, ends at Firefox Drive. with the development of Sackleson and expansion of Colony Road, is to be constructed from Hudson Avenue to the project entrance.
Illustrated on the M PewD Master Plan.
Sackles in Hudson will convey one hundred and twenty four feet of right of way consistent with B C C P D and E study of fifty two in Colony from Hudson Avenue to the south Eastern Project boundary.
The maximum development of 63 single family homes will retain one product type, with the typical being illustrated here, with a 60-foot wide lot and 120 feet of depth. Next, I'd like to show the binding conceptual plan.
The development of phase one of colony road expansion Is the development of a 62-foot-wide two-lane roadway from Hudson Avenue to the project entrance. With a Dedication of 124 feet for ultimate development of a four-lane roadway. Additionally, the applicant has conveyed to Pasco County from the project access to their southeastern boundary. The first one. For
future development of Colony Road.
The stormwater pond located at the Hudson at the intersection of Hudson Avenue Colony Road is creditable. The two southern ponds were essential to the project. Therefore not credible. Uh internal capture of the residents is a priority. In lieu of a western vehicular connection, the applicant has committed to heightened um internal Pedestrian capture. Although faint on the binding concept plan, there are trail connections
to the north and the southwest of the project connecting to their sidewalks.
Landscaping requirements and prospective Sackleson Hudson Hudson, MPD here. Per condition of an approval number twelve come directly from PM twenty-six being the two trees per single family home, one of which required along the frontage. Next I'd like to show you the Connie exhibit.
Shaded. From Hudson to Project Access. is the sixty two foot expansion of Colony Road. Hudson to the south. eastern project boundary is the total conveyance of 124 feet of right away. The credible pond is also shaded at the intersection of Hudson and Future Colony.
The typical of the sixty two foot wide two lane roadway is at the bottom of This exhibit.
Two variations have been applied for in the design of Sacquis and Hudson, the first being 901.6.D point eleven street design and dedication, the applicant prioritizing pedestrian mobility and safety by their design.
In lieu of a western vehicular connection, they've heightened their internal capture and walkability, as before mentioned, by the trail connections and sidewalks. The second was to reduce the right-of-way width from Colony Road, originally 160 feet wide to 124 feet, consistent with BCC PD ⁇ E study. of State Road fifty two in Colony, file name PMA zero two Zero four two.
This agreement was also confirmed by our county's transportation engineering department.
PDE recommends approval with the provided conditions of approval. For rezoning petition PDE 257831. Thank you for your time and consideration. I'm available should you have questions.
Okay. Any questions?
Anything? Okay, you're off the hook for now. Oh excellent. Thank you so much. Good job on your first time.
Barbara Wilhe Wilheit still at [address removed] for the applicant. Mr. Siveson, very nicely done.
Mm-hmm.
It's a pleasure to work with your staff. Um I do have a PowerPoint that we're handing out, a short one, um, and that uh more great staff was put up uh for the for this presentation.
We have a motion to receive and file. So
moved.
Second.
Okay. All in favor? Aye. Opposed. Thanks. Thank you.
I don't want to be repetitive of of the PowerPoint because that was pretty um specific and exhaustive, but this is the location of the project. This is the um concept plan that you saw. Quite a lot of care putting into this, a lot of work with the TED, TED Department, new name. Transportation engineering department. um with regard to colony and accommodating the county's four-lane vision road, pretty significant vision road going all the way from 52 to um Hudson and then beyond. Um
our density is sixty-three single family detached the larger lots, what what I hear my builder clients say is the built the um step up. But at a sixty foot lot. The current comp plan allows 102 as the maximum density, so about half.
This i is a pretty good context of of what the board has approved um for palm wind. the shaded in the orange are the forty foot lots, shaded in the we can call that cream, I guess. Those are the fifty foot lots. Consistent with that we have we have do have single family detached, but we have the larger lots of 60 feet by 120, which will complement their product mix and provide an additional product mix.
These are the um some of the renderings of the homes that my client DRB off is going offers in the area and will likely offer here. I think they're very nice.
Yeah, probably nice.
The the one thing I wanted to note
And coming back to our concept plan, we can't if if you can go down so we can see the So we do have a connection to Foxfire. Um, and I imagine that may be some of the comment from our neighbors. We'll see. But I wanted to explain that. Um Foxfire is a standard road, meets the county standards, and we have included the connection because it's a land development code requirement. The Board of County Commissioners in 901.6 D 11
have Have made um continuation of existing street pattern a priority. I can tell you in every one of my MPUDs it's a priority, not only with the staff in implementing it, but also when I get before the board. So that's why we have a connection to Foxfire because it's a standard road and the code requires it. Um I do have my team and we'll see what uh the neighbors uh what kind of questions and comments they have and we'll be back to uh talk further. All
right. So can I ask Barbara? Yeah. Yes. Barbara, um this is the first time I've Thank you for this overlay, Risha Pallman and your project together because I had not seen this before. Is it looks like the Palm Wind M P D is showing some kind of interconnect um to your project, at least if this graphic is accurate, does it connect
Does it connect to to future colony road?
See if yeah, Stephen from above.
Mm-hmm.
If the intent is that that would connect the future colony road, though I think that's a good thing. It's very difficult for me to tell from this graphic if that's what's happening.
Yes, I know Steven reviewed the their plans, um, so he can probably answer that.
Okay. Stephen Sposato, planner with Level Up uh Consulting. Yeah, that's correct. And the address
is I'm sorry. Sorry? Your address?
Um five oh five East Jackson Street, Tampa. And you've been sworn. Yes. Yes, sir. Thank you. Yeah, just to confirm the the there is a a c interconnection with the the Palmwood and MPUD to the Colony Road right of way, not directly to to our to our site. So you can sort of see on the on the very southern boundary of our site is where they propose an interconnection. Thank you.
Before this goes to the board or something you could Modify your binding concept plan. If this is your binding concept plan to Show that connection. on your on your plan if it's not there. I can't I mean I don't know if this is I don't know if the one you handed out is the mining consent plan or not. Is it
they would need to give some kind of right away or something for that connection, David? Is that what you're getting at?
No, it just that It
It looks like it crossed.
That's that's the part I'm a little unclear about is whether It needs some kind of
It does look like there's a little sliver between their interconnect and the right-of-way. Location and the colony right away, but that may be a
You know, just to An error in drafting or The way this is depicted, I don't know. But if the intent is that it's going to connect to the colony Right away. I think it should be shown on your Binding concept plan.
Okay.
So that the world knows that that's where that connection is occurring.
And to make sure that that connection can actually occur.
Yes.
So understood. No problem.
All right.
Okay, is there someone who will speak on this one?
I think you're right.
Because I think that was somebody else.
Jen Kerouac, [address removed]. Um the the concern that I have and and really it's with you know continued development in regards to this And other areas as we know Um Florida statute, the governor signed into law at 125.02 public camping and public sleeping. And as the person and
individual that night by night as folks come into the church, and we're thankful to be able to do it, we partnered with the county and we give thanks to them for that. But it also brings kind of like to the forefront and again the same with the last I've I've watched and uh many apartment complexes many these are very nice homes I have I have I do not deny that they're beautiful Um, you know, but the concern
is is that we continue to develop and part of the development process is my understanding is, is that the county has to also do their share uh um with regards to all infrastructure and whether or not um this has been and it it appears to be a very um uh uh a big stress on the county. I went to the budget meetings, you know, people are concerned
about their taxes. Um and so as we continue to do these things Um And there is no area at this point. I'm I'm not hearing a lot about affordable housing. The apartment complexes are like eighteen hundred bucks a month for a one-bedroom apartment. You know, these homes I'm sure they're not gonna be like within most likely a hundred, two hundred thousand dollars. I don't know, that'd be great if
they were. were but I'm sure and and I understand all that. My concern again is and with regards to the connected cities moving for and as I've been before each and every one of you and the Board of County Commissioners asking for that building moratorium so that the county can catch up. And you know again it is not to to say that the county's not doing what they're supposed to do, but the rate of growth that Pasco
County has, and they say we're the third largest or fastest growing in in the nation. I mean there is a lot that goes with that with regards to roads, vision roads. They say it's a vision road. Uh they've called Shady Hills Road a vision road and when I went to the local Disadvantaged Transportation Board planning meeting uh They said that the one woman said Shady Hills has been uh a visionary road since I think she said 1992
when she first took her position there. So again, this is a you know concern of not just mine but many people. In the county.
All right. Thank you. Any questions?
Forbert did you wanna
Um we do have other individuals signed up to speak and we do have one individual online to speak for this item as well.
Very good. Come forward. Take your name and address, please.
Good afternoon. Clinton Wynne, [address removed]. Okay, Mr. Wynn, you've been sworn. Yes, sir. Okay. Thank you again for serving. Thanks for spending your time here today. Just want to have a little dialogue with y'all. Um I'm the Wind Ranch property that's now presently on the east side of Palm Wind and Meadow Oaks. I have thirty-six acres left. of our original hundred and fifty acres since nineteen fifty three. A lot of you guys know where I'm at. So My main thing is I'm here to talk on the Sackleson
property because I use so much of these roads connecting. I see the fatalities, I see the handicapped people with no sidewalks, I see no lights. I see mothers taking their kids to the school buses, stops with no lights. It's pitch black. If you want to go on that map, I enjoyed you getting into that with the map and the connecting roads. Mr. Goldstein. When you brought up the maps. Can we bring up one of the maps on the aerials?
Maybe the one that shows the adjacent project.
So when we did the palm wind discussion and all this, um Tropical breeze was not supposed to cut through to Fairwinds Road. That's off of fairwinds. I got a pin light here if I can learn how to d use it. I don't know where it went. There it is. Well it's not showing up on a TV. Anyways. Where the palm wind sign is, the M P E D. Uh tropical breeze was supposed to be an emergency access only. Oh is that yours? Cool. Thank you. Was originally supposed to be an emergency
You're right.
Oh it's backwards. It's the operator. Operator error. All right, forget it. I'm not I'm time I I don't wanna lose my three minutes. Anyways, tropical breeze was not supposed to cut through to Fairwinds Road. Disappointingly, Captain Starkey s came up here during the c uh Board of County Commissioners meeting and said we're gonna put a gate there. It held up the project for three months 'cause they had to buy the property. And I wasn't trying to delay the project. I wasn't trying to be difficult. But they made it. the developer buy that property and then connect at the
fair wins. Fairwinds Road cannot sustain this. They've already got Maxfly, which is where the new Meadow Oaks entrance is gonna be going out at Hudson Avenue near the church. Okay. So you've got Hudson Avenue to Maxfly, Maxfly to Fair Winds, Fair Winds to Banyan. Ban you into Sugar Creek Boulevard to fifty two. We just had a fatality at Sugar Creek Boulevard in fifty-two. Okay. I know I'm sure there's been more. Then you got Fairwinds Road going to Colony, Colony to Fox Fire, not
Firefox. Peachtree to Hudson Avenue. Now we know those S curves guys on Peachtree and Foxfire are brutal. A friend of mine flipped his car there years ago. Um The flooding is another issue that we need to look at because I don't know some of you old timers remember. The original Hudson Avenue was Hamilton Road, which is now Suave, which comes into the Angeles. That's where Palm Road or Palm Development exits on that S curve, which is extremely dangerous. They've already widened
it and it's already uh just gonna be a mess in the hap in the um in the making. A couple more features. The twenty fifty and I go to all the twenty fifty meetings, I've been on the CAC, I've been on all these meet committees. Colony Road is a vision road. There's no funding, but yet they keep stacking these new developments in there. And they're choking us out, they're causing flooding. People's peace and quiet. We're gonna lose some of it, right? I don't wanna be New York City. I didn't live here in Pasco my whole time to be like New York City. But There's
some of these developments. I got eight developments in our immediate area, guys, from Hudson Avenue to Hicks Road. to Hayes. eight developments. That's over a thousand homes that are just right there with no infrastructure at all. The other issue was Meadow Oaks was approved like fifteen years ago. And then when it was approved it was idled 'cause of the economy. Well they just went ahead and put their plans in and started developing the two hundred and sixty-five homes And then you had You know, Taylor Morrison go, you have this one and all these other things.
Now I'll finish up here. here. Your time's time is up, so you need to wrap it up. Okay.
rumor that the Girl Scout camp is pending sale. That could hold 200 homes. And in closing, our crystal ball that we all look at is the flooding that happened in Trinity this last time. So thank you for your time and um if However we can be of service and work with you, we'd love it. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you for coming.
Is there someone else? We have um Marcia. Signed up?
Oh vale.
She wants to.
So Ms. Harris. All right, Ms. Harris, if you give us your own. Name and address please, and tell me if you've been sworn.
I have been sworn in on Von Denisha Harris. My address is [address removed]. Okay. Thank you. And our concern is like we spoke about the traffic and I moved here from Tampa to get away from traffic and it's everything is just growing at a rapid rate. We already have one subdivision being built down the street. And my thing is when you come out on colony to 52. If you if you're going west, you got to go all the way over to the third lane to make a U turn.
It's not like the traffic light is there. So with the traffic building. We already have an issue when you get there waiting to go out to make this U-turn. When you come home, same thing, you got to make a U-turn. to come back down to Colony. And then on Pea Tree, Pea Tree goes out to Hudson Avenue. Same thing. No traffic light. You're just sitting there waiting. for the traffic to clear, for you to make the right or the left. And it div it's already increasing
with the amount of time it takes us to get out of our homes and get where we're going. And when they put all these homes in our traffic is gonna be I don't see how we're gonna be able to even leave home and get back home. And then we have kids that walk to the bus stops and things and there's no lighting there. So it's a lot of issues for this small area to take on all this extra these extra subdivisions. And then I'm definitely concerned about the the flooding. Once they add any subdivisions.
And they could tell you during the last two storms, we did not flood. We did not and if they start putting these subdivisions in, where where's the water going?
Mm-hmm.
To our properties. So I would just like for all that to be considered and If you look at the map and see how tight the road and things are, when they had all these people, where where are we going? How are we gonna get out? How are we gonna enjoy? Our piece of pri um paradise.
Where do you live there?
I live [address removed]. I mean
on the map.
I'm not far from where where the that entrance would be. And then they're saying that has one way in and one way out, so all the traffic would come out onto Fox Fire and Colony. I don't that is I don't see how that's gonna work out.
Can I ask you a question?
Yes.
So when you go down colony and you have to make that U turn at fifty two, where are you going?
Where am I going? Usually to work.
Okay. And where do you go get groceries?
This Everything is like in that same area where we have to do everything.
No jobs, no anything
like that,
right? No. It's all down you gotta get down to fifty.
And Pasco is like all these people are moving here but it's not a lot of good jobs there. So people are traveling to work, so you have all this traveling Oh where people have to travel a hour, two hours to get to a decent job, then travel back. So that's even more congestion in traffic.
Yes.
You can't make a left turn there, right? If you wanna go to the Sun Coast Parkway, you can't make a left
turn.
Right. You can't go to the Wind Dixie that's now gonna be an Al Dcause you gotta go down the road and make a U turn.
You gotta go make you gotta make a U turn. Right. And I see the difference even now.
I'm not trying to get you in trouble by saying this. Do you cut through the Dunkin' Donuts and the family dollar over to the Shadow Ridge entrance to get to the median opening? But that's that
that's too but I mean, but even if you do that, you still got to sit there and wait until it's clear. Absolutely. So it's like either way, because if you use the GPS, it's try to send you through the neighborhood. And I don't always want to be driving through somebody's neighborhood just to get to a road. that increases their traffic also. And so it's like, yeah, the way you say it is even worse than trying to do the U turn.
It'd make sense if there was a A full intersection there at Colony Road and not
eventually it's gonna have to be because it's getting and you know even when you're coming home it's almost impossible you're holding up traffic so long waiting to do that U turn because the traffic on fifty two has increased at such a volume. So that's um that's that's my main That's the main thing. Like I said, I lived by bush gardens for twenty years and I left there for that reason. It's like okay. I don't want to leave there and come here. And end up in the same situation. So thank you for your time and I hope you consider everything
that that we said. Thank you. Thank
you. Thanks.
Good afternoon.
Good afternoon. I think there was a supposed to be a Tammy that was gonna make a phone call in.
Tammy is virtually online. We're gonna go through everybody else in the room first and then go to Tammy.
Okay. I just wanted to double check. Sorry. My name's Marcia Casimaric. I live on uh um [address removed]. I live directly across From what is Uh being planned directly my driveway to their driveway.
And you've been sworn?
Yes, sir.
And I'm very concerned this is gonna impact My agricultural my my property's ag. I've been there for over a quarter of a century.
I picked that property because I didn't want to live in a subdivision. I didn't want to post postage stamp. Neighbor's right next to me. I want it acreage.
How many acres do you have there?
There are five acres. I have horses. I have dairy goats that are showgoats. The horses are retired show horses. One is thirty this year? One is um Upper twenties?
I'm happy. I mean this is where I put my roots. We have show goats, we have show sheep. They're all dairy. We've ran four H off of my property.
F F A, that's I've just donated uh a small La Mancha registered goats to them. Mm-hmm. It it's agricultural. This is gonna affect us.
Are these neighbors gonna th their entrance is gonna be right, like I said, dead across the street. I come in with a twenty foot livestock trailer or my Uh twenty foot. Aluminum horse trailer It's gonna be fun for me to get in and out. Even the fact of My animal's making noises. Who's gonna call and make complaints? Oh my god, you got goats over there doing the dirties? Uh It's
agricultural. That's gonna be residential.
I have children that walk down the road to the bus stop.
There's no lights. They leave at six thirty five in the morning. Do I stand out there? Most of the time.
Mm-hmm.
I've had my property on the right side of it. Right? Uh not quite in the middle. It would be the east side of my driveway. uh I'm gonna say ten years ago. Not paying attention, the car came plowing through. I had a six month old Philly? And her mom. Out in that front paddock. Luckily I was home. Because they flipped. Crazy. All of a sudden crash
boom bang and you know my horses are going nuts 'cause there's a car in the front yard.
I had to grab both and move to a back paddock. Now my my how am I gonna protect my animals?
Okay.
See accidents at Fox Fire and Colony?
Yes, sir. Huh.
Do people Do people repeatedly run off the road trying to make the ninety degree turn from Foxfire to Colony?
Yes, sir.
Okay.
Same thing at Peach and Foxfire. That's why they have fixed the Girl Scout camp. If you drive down there, they've got all new Bob wire fencing up again.
Yes. And you've seen people go off the corner at Fox Fire and Peachtree over the embankment into the Girl Yeah. Okay.
Yeah, and this is really gonna affect because you're promised Colony Road, that's not in the plans for twenty years.
W when is that?
And when you go grocery shopping, which way do you go?
I go both ways. It depends on the time of day.
Where do you normally head to?
I either head down to Down Hudson Avenue to Little Road, Republic's in Aldi's. But like I said, it depends on the time of day because to get out from Peachtree onto Hudson Avenue You sit there and you just wait and wait because there's so many cars coming any other direction. And the same thing going out off a fifty two. And yes, I do cut through Shadow Ridge sometimes. Right. But there's been a lot of accidents there, so I don't usually do
that. I usually will do the U turn if I'm gonna go up like when I take my daughter to school at Classical Purpery.
So there's a lot of accidents at Shadow Ridge in fifty two too. Yes, sir. Because people can't make a left turn from colony road onto fifty two.
No, because you can't tell if they're gonna make from colony lakes. If they're making a U turn, they're making a U turn at Shadow Ridge. So which w who's turning? It it's dodge the truck, dodge the car. I won't even come in that way. I g my husband laughs at me all the time. You got like an old lady. 'Cause I'll make a turn where There's a collar car lot there. I don't remember the name of the road. And I'll come in the back way to Colony Road. So I don't have to deal at Shadow
Ridge and making a U turn. If I'm coming from the nineteen direction.
Understood.
Okay.
Thank you. Anybody else? Thank you.
Thanks.
I believe we have one sorry, Mr. Chairman for the room.
Mm-hmm.
Good afternoon. Thank you guys. Uh appreciate all your time. Uh my name is Rivas Johns. I'm at [address removed]. Um Heh heh. This has been a long time dealing with this and and I'll tell you, you know, some of the things they're not showing on that map is uh if you bring that map up just a little bit more, there's another hundred and eighty six houses in a subdivision going right at Fairwinds. So that is all cleared out. Um about Four months ago when they were still doing the landwork
they hit a spring and flooded out everybody on the other side of 'em. All right. Now, with that being said, Um I'm up on a corner. Right. caddy cornered from where they're trying to come out for Foxfire Drive. Now it's called Shady Oak R uh Shady Oak's Ranches. It is a small neighborhood. But um The reason most people purchase there is because It was Shady Oak's ranches, it was small, it's zoned agriculture and you must have one acre or more to build. So when
they talk about it's mandatory that they have another exit to come out of Foxfire Drive. The problem I have with it is If you're gonna make an exit to go out Colony Road to Hudson Avenue That means that the exit or whenever they get ready to connect colony road. The builder doesn't have to pay for that. The taxpayers do. All right. So they're gonna go
and buy this property out So that it costs them less money to inconvenience us. and it changed our way of life. That's not right. And at the end of the day With all this building going around, we've already experiencing the flooding and the extra water and stuff in the ditches and around our property. It's not settling in. Now there's at least four of us. on the corner and around the corner they're having troubles with our septic tank because the water's not draining the way it should because of all the developments. Now, I don't
know about you, but I know a new septic tank if you don't put a lift station in is over ten grand. You know, w why should I have to pay for that? Why they sit around and get rich off of building all these communities and inconvenience at everybody else. That means I'm gonna end up having to call and uh get flood insurance eventually. So With all this being said,
I don't understand why they can't connect. From Colony Road and connect it back to Colony Road, and that gives them their entrance. Therefore, we don't have all this traffic shooting out on Fox Fire. Let them pay for something for once. You know what I mean? But I thank you guys all for your time. I know my time's up. I don't wanna steer in another direction, but there is so much going on here and so much wrong with this that it really needs a second and a third look at. And I believe that extension that they're buying these people's
houses for With something added and something new. But thank you very much. I appreciate everybody's time. Thank you.
Okay, can let me ask you a quick question. What where do you s where is your house?
On this matter here. Right there. Where is
it?
Right on the corner. And they had to move the telephone poles because there was so many accidents they moved them down to my side of my house.
I'd be surprised you're having trouble with your septic tank, that's pretty high
ground there. It well it is, but them, me, the people next to me, because all these subdivisions. And what they've done with the dirt if they've raised it three to eight feet above the roadway. So therefore, you know, your original plans that you show if you bring them up, you'll see all the way that it you know, that it will actually flow. But When you build all this and you move all that darn, it changes the flow for the people that are not moved. That's the reason when you guys do your
flood Planes, it changes about every three to five years. Why? Because the people that have been there for fifteen or twenty years don't move. Everybody else does. So therefore it causes flooding inland. or in the areas that don't you know, that are still lower because you're building all these buildings up. So that's part of the problem. Because now the water is sitting there. When you have a rainstorm, it doesn't want to seep into the ground anymore. And I believe that's what the problem is.
Okay.
So I'm sorry I didn't mean to cut you off, Mr.
Mm. Fine.
Anybody
else? Thank you.
Mr. Chairman Mariano. Yes. We do have one individual signed up online, Tammy Young, if we can unmute her and promote her for access so she can speak.
Ms. Young, are you here available?
Yes, sir. Can you hear me?
Yes. Uh could you give us your name and address and then we'll swear you in?
Tammy Young. [address removed].
Okay, and if you'll raise your right hand we'll trust you to do that and uh Uh repeat after the uh clerk, please.
Do you swear or affirm the testimony you're about to give is the truth, so help you God.
I do. That was easy.
I do uh I do appreciate your time um for letting me speak. Um So I I'm coming to you today. Um some of my neighbors and myself are opposed to the planning housing development that we believe will cause um more traffic and safety problems, um, possibly destroy local wildlife in this area and potentially lower our property values. Um So concerning the traffic and
safety, uh just to add on to Ms. Harris, um as we do could go out the that way down Colony to 52, uh I do work in Newport Ritchie, so I have to make a U-turn there and I usually typically go down Moon Lake Road to my job. Now there's a stop sign. On there and there's three lanes of oncoming traffic that have fifty five mile an hour. speed limits.
Um typically Um it's it people travel uh higher speed limits down there as I see. Um so that is a concern of mine as well. Um trying to make that U-turn. It would be awesome if uh you could possibly put a light there or maybe a four-way stop. Um to help with um some of the difficulty as to coming out on to fifty four uh fifty two. I would also like
to speak about the wildlife. As I bought I bought my place five years ago here as a single mom, I w was looking for some acreage, do have a one-acre lot. I could have bought in a brand new uh housing development, uh, but that's not what I want. And from my life or my kids. So I have property here, and just this morning
I'm
teen peacocks in my front yard. Um I see owls. Um I also have uh woodpeckers. Um so I I'd I would like to request um that maybe an investigator be appointed uh by appropriate agency to investigate uh the area for endangered
this how this development starts um building. Also I'd like to talk about the property values.
I was disappointed to to see that this entrance is going to be within walking distance of of my driveway.
I'm also concerned about the flooding in the area as well. Um, I mean I do have a manufactured home on my property that sits up, sits up high. I've never had to worry about flooding. Um But I I am concerned with uh the building of this development, having to build up the land back there. Um so the this development is uh is right behind
my home. Um, so I'm concerned about that as well. I do ask uh you to take um into consideration these things um that I spoke about and my neighbors as well. Um Thank you so much for giving me this time.
Okay. Hold on just a minute in case we have any questions, please. Let's see. Any questions from up here?
Yeah. No?
Okay. Thank you very much for uh coming on and we'll take your uh concerns into account and We'll uh also we're gonna bring the uh applicant back up to respond to some of your concerns. Okay. Yes sir.
Good afternoon again. Barbara Wilhite for the applicant. One thing I I want to make clear is that our entrance is off of Hudson Avenue. We are constructing that portion of our entrance actually we're constructing to Colony Boulevard Vision Road standards. But our entrance is off of of colony and we're constructing that entrance off of colony. We are interconnecting to Foxfire because the code requires us to continue street patterns. under nine oh one, section nine oh one of the code. With regard to
wildlife, we had to do a wildlife um assessment at the time of zoning. Staff is going out and very carefully. Um I know there's a staff person now that's been hired on county staff that's going out and checking. checking as well. And then when we come to do a preliminary development plan and develop We have to redo that study because it's only good for eighteen months. if there's any gopher tortoises, there's a whole process because they are protected for gopher tortoises. So there's a lot that goes on with regard to
wildlife. There's a lot that goes on with regard to stormwater as well, as our many engineers here on the um on the the board know.
Lowering property values, the these homes will be expensive homes. Um The other thing I would point out is that you and you can see the development pattern that's that is coming along. You can see palm winds actually has smaller lots. This this is the res three land use designation. And as Mr. Wynne said, he did participate in the cap the comp plan for these areas, as did I, as did I. That would have been in 2005-2006,
probably, the last time we had a CAC for a comp plan update. Obviously, there's now the 2015 update going. This area was is designated Res 3. This prop this this is not rural. It wasn't designated agricultural. So when you see that in the comprehensive plan, you see an area designated Res three, you're going to see this type of development. Actually, and we are at the lower end of the development with what we're proposing because we're proposing the lots. We are going to be
on, we will not be on septic, we will be on water and sewer. There's water and sewer. The infrastructure is already there in place for us to have water and sewer to this project. Again, that's an investment in infrastructure that's been made. Um So we will be using that investment. We will be continuing the investment by extending and paying to have water and sewer in our project.
I was going to ask about that, Barbara. So where is the current water and sewer infrastructure?
Going to have to look at one of my technical team members.
Except for the Windsor Calling.
Stephen Sposato with uh level up. Thank you. Yeah there we the project will utilize uh public water and sewer. I think sewer will be extended from the south along from Fairwinds up to the site, and then then there's water um on uh Hudson.
Okay. Yeah, I knew they would need it for the Palmwoods development Palm Winds development as well, so
Barbara. Can you explain the continuation of the street pattern? I'm trying to understand how making the connection to Foxfire continues a street pattern. What pattern are we continuing?
You're taking Fox fire that is a street and you're and you're connecting to it with our streets? And that's a continuation.
To what for what purpose? What I'm looking at this map and I'm seeing okay if the grand plan is to widen Colony Road and make it a four lane road that goes between fifty two and Hudson Avenue. What am I gaining by having that little entrance on Fox fire when f Colony Road will be kinda the main Road. I'm I'm not understanding the purpose.
Well I didn't write the regulation. we get to to um comply with it. It's it's L D C nine oh one six D eleven.
So that
would
be fire access only? That's no
it's it's
continued the
it is required to have a full connection. When you have an existing street at this a that's a standard road, the board's regulation that the board adopted says that you have to connect your streets to that existing street. And that is what we are doing. We get the comment all the time. We get asked by it by the the staff gets asked. They can speak for themselves. They get asked about it all the time. Did by the board to enforce this section of the code.
I I understand that and I understand it's in the code. But I I can think of examples. throughout the county. And I'm thinking about even somebody who buys in this neighborhood. So I live out here. I go up colony to Hudson Ave and I make the hard left ninety dangerous ninety degree turn on Fox Fire and Peachtree and I'm not sure how that's standard, but Nonetheless.
And when I'm going there. It's usually 'cause I'm headed out towards Hayes Road or trying to get over to Shady Hills Road. So why would I drive all the way down Fox Fire, make a hard right turn on Peachtree, to make a hard right turn on Hudson Avenue to go back toward Shady Hills I could just cut right through this neighborhood. think those people in that neighborhood would like me cutting through Making a shortcut out of their residential street. And I can see where we've done
this in the county all over the place. I'm not saying it's your developer's fault or your fault. Think about Fox Hollow Drive. Or Jasmine Boulevard. Mm-hmm. These were nice residential. residences that faced Jasmine or that fronted on Fox Hollow Drive. and now they're cut through streets from US nineteen to Little Road. In both cases.
and the people's lives, the people's homes Who front those now cut through streets, are not well maintained. Nobody there with nobody wants to live there that has children because they're going to get hit by a car.
You've got You've created de facto highway through people's front yards that were quiet little neighborhoods. So I understand the code may require it. I question some of the wisdom of it. I understand why one might want to create a grid network of streets. But I don't think we should do that at the expense of people's peaceful enjoyment of their property, I mean When I see this I'm concerned for the peaceful enjoyment of the people who might buy on that street that connects to Foxfire
because I know I'm gonna use it as a shortcut, because it's gonna be a while before colonies connected. There's There's a s section between Fox fire And the end of your property. That's all one and two acre parcels back there that Unfortunately, you know, nobody's gonna come in and develop a one acre MPUD down there, so that means the county's gonna have to condemn those properties to ultimately to Make that connection. I'm actually even questioning I know it has nothing to do with your case. What
the heck is the point of making Colony Road a four lane roadway from nowhere to nowhere? Then you can't make a left or a right turn. You can't make a left turn when you get to fifty two? I'm trying to figure out what is the purpose of this. Somebody saw a black line on the map and said, Hey, let's put a four lane road here for what purpose?
For it to make sense they'd have to make a cut of fifty two
and uh probably put a light in there. I agree. And now there's a there's a family dollar on the corner of fifty-two and a d new Dunkin' Donuts that's about to open on the corner of fifty-two. And you know how I make a left turn on fifty two? I cut right through those parking lots and I I see lots of people doing it every day. So now we've made a highway out of a parking lot. over to the entrance of Shadow Ridge. My personal preference when I look at this thing Is that Would the developer would
would you as the applicant, assuming the board didn't enforce their continuation policy? Would it be a problem just to make this an emergency access only?
Does that create a problem for the developer to do that?
We have designed it to meet the code. If the Planning Commission wants to make whatever recommendation to the board, but you put us in a position where we have the board telling us this is a regulation. And they want it enforced by their staff and the developers. Well,
no one's
saying
anybody did anything wrong.
Yes, but I'm what I'm saying is that you want to make a recommendation to the board about that, but I'm not gonna I'm going to move forward with the project and our request, which is to comply with what the code says. It's ultimately up to the board, it's their regulation. So
'Cause then if I say it's emergency only and then the board and then we have the fairwind situation where we're then Somebody agreed emergency access, and then the Commission said, No, we want it to be accessed. So it needs to be decided by the Commission.
She doesn't want to be in the same box as that Clark Hobby was with Formally the MPUD because the the Palm One and P D came in Requesting that their connection to Fairwinds be emergency. And The board basically overturned it and said no it's going to be full access and in that case They had to go out and buy property to make it a full access. That's not the case here. I mean at least they don't have to go buy property. And by the way, I think Fairwinds is not a standard road.
No it's not. I mean
so
I'll beg to differ about that, but that I'm not sure.
Steve Henry can get up and confirm whether it is or it is not a substandard row, but The agenda memo says that it's
it was I I saw the emails with staff and and Steve That it's a standard road.
My my only point is is that if the board required a full connection in Palmwood to a substandard road that was originally supposed to be emergency I
She doesn't want to be stuck. In the same boat as Palmwind. Embalman got continued multiple times because of this issue. So I'm not sure it's fair to the applicant because And then do with all due respect, I understand you have a difference of opinion. But I hate to see the applicant be penalized. because you have a difference of opinion than the board.
Well how well first off we there's been no motion on the table.
Okay.
And what I asked is does it hurt her developer? Does it hurt this development? the marketability of the development, the value of the development, the ability to develop the property, if the access is an emergency access. That's the question I asked.
And ultimately that's gonna become moot once colony is connected, because then that's where the traffic's gonna go.
Then
it won't matter. That connection really won't matter.
But that prob that couldn't might not be for fifteen years. That's true.
That's true.
But you know, and the thing is is that whatever we decide. peop the people that are already there now are gonna have to live with it. And uh So
We just need to think that through because And that's what I try to do is look m if I l if I live there, how would I feel about it?
Yeah, I mean if you don't I mean if the Planning Commission doesn't think this density is appropriate for this area, that's a different question. But I mean in terms of the
I'm only concerned about the access to Fox fire. That's really the only thing that concerns me. I think they've uh pr provided for water re ret retention and they they've done the wildlife study and they've done all the things they need to do and they're co and they're complying with the county regulation on the access to Foxfire. I'm just
I guess
I'm not going to be able to
make whatever recommendation you want on that issue, but I have some concerns with you forcing the developer to request a deviation from the code. That they never asked for.
Well we haven't asked that yet.
Go ahead, Barbara, you can answer the question. The question is is there any if this were to be an emergency access only, does this make this property less developable, less valuable? Is there some reason other than because the code requires it, that that would be objectionable to the developer.
The reason why the connection is there is to comply with the code. So th that's my answer.
Okay. So it's so it's not to benefit the developer, it's Because she's compliant with the code.
Well, I will tell you that in the case of Palm Wind and I realize it was a different situation If you were here, he probably would say that it did adversely affect his development to have to change course midstream on this issue.
Right, but in that case you're saying he had to go buy property or He had to go
We haven't asked yet. I just asked the applicant if that was was going to s in some way detract from the development. But the only difference is if it were a regular connection or an emergency only connection would be A gate or a sign? I mean
I mean, I think that's a good idea Th the there probably is a different I don't know if they could design it the way they d they'd have to have some kind of T type turnaround at a minimum there. They could they'd have to redesign The way that I don't think th they'd have to redo their binding concept plan. I don't think they could It'd have to have a way for people to turn around there. I
don't
know if they would lose a lot or not. I mean Barbara, you may
have to get with my team but We heard about peach tree in Hudson. Wouldn't I have wouldn't my traps trips if they don't go on Fox fire, wouldn't they go to that intersection?
Right now we have the interconnectivity, so it gives you multiple ways to go, which is why that is written by the by the way. This is why that code section, my understanding of why it's been written. It's been around a long time. But if we don't have an Connectivity to Foxfire. then our our way to get to colony is via peach tree. So again, that's why the board does this. The Board has this policy because they want traffic to have different ways to go.
And that's fine. So
that's
the
thing that's the right thing.
I think the Board
That's great. And it works great. Jamie, in your neighborhood in River Crossing Boulevard, where homes do not front on River Crossing Boulevard. That continues the existing street pattern, it gets you out to Starkey, it gets you out to Decubelus, but it doesn't destroy the peaceful enjoyment of somebody's property. What I'm saying and I understand this has nothing to do with you or your development is that particular policy when we take it down to the residential street level destroys people's
quality of life. Go look at Fox Hollow Drive. That's that's the one of and Jasmine Boulevard. That is one of the poster childs for making a residential street a cut-through street. street. Destroys the property values, it destroys the aesthetics. It's not a place where families want to live, and I question that policy. I'm not criticizing this development or you or your developer for following what the code is, I'm saying
to the staff and to the board. if we're applying that policy to the point where it's a detriment to the value and the peaceful enjoyment of people's property, then we need to relook at the p the that policy.
And I've said that here before. The other thing I've said in here before. When we were talking about palm winds and I think it's Brighton Park or whatever the name of the D R. Horton development is down there at Fair Winds and Colony. That the developer managed to flood everybody out while he was digging his retention ponds there for a few weeks?
You're putting all this traffic on Colony Road, Has anybody been down to the DOT and said, How are we gonna undo this mistake we made 30 years, 40 years ago? When because we didn't like a nudist colony, on Colony Road that we cut the access off to Colony Road to give an exclusive access to Shadow Ridge. Well now we're getting all this development on Colony Road. And we got a whole we're planning on making it a four lane roadway down between
Hudson Avenue and fifty two. and there's no way to make a left turn. Everybody's forced to make a U turn. And I'm gonna t and I realize you don't you guys don't control what the D O T does for decisions. I live right around the corner and I use Lakewood to get out to fifty two and you just cut off our access there too. so that we can have an exclusive left turn into a three story climate control building that literally has zero traffic and now nobody in our neighborhood can make
a left turn out of any of the connecting streets in our neighborhood. We can't make a left turn to go get groceries. We have to cut through the parking lot of a Dunkin' Donuts and a family dollar so we can get over to Shadow Ridge and try to make a left turn out there and to the ladies point, If you've ever s I I'll to in fact tonight I'll take a video of that and send you as you see twenty cars piled up in that median opening and there are nonstop accidents
there. That needs to get fixed. I'm not against development of this area and I understand it's res three and eventually there probably will be more development. But somebody needs to be looking at from a long range transportation planning, what you're gonna do. These houses are imminent. Somebody needs to fix that intersection at calling it fifty two. I don't know whether that's the county or the DOT or you need to work together, but some transportation planning needs to happen here or this is gonna be a major traffic disaster.
So I don't do we have transportation somebody from transportation engineering It's available that can at least discuss. What? If the vi once the Vision Road is built What? the county would do and or D U T would do with that intersection?
Mr. Poole is here in the audience. Well you want.
Yeah some earlier.
He's
hiding back there.
Is there some way that we can pull up a graphic that shows Um That intersection so that
Will has it when we have it when we're talking.
Uh good afternoon. Well Penny. Transportation engineering department. So I'll do my best to address your question there. Um obviously we would work. With the D O T. I mean we're we're We recognize those concerns that was mentioned before and what you had mentioned too, John. Uh but obviously You know, and looking at this You know, we would definitely, you know, coordinate with the DOT and figure out. Uh what can we do? I mean there even been some discussions about it, even with the current
conditions. So we can look into it, I think. Since now it's kinda more You know, relevant to trying to address it.
But If there's not so is there's no imminent plan to fix this?
No, not right now currently, no not based on the
So then would it be a good idea to increase the density and all of the traffic at that intersection with no Plan in the works to fix the operational problem of that intersection?
Well obviously I mean as as you see these developments are coming in so we kinda obviously have to work with uh the uh development services and planning services, transportation planning Brupe. and and figure out and work together to address those concerns. I understand. Well I
will say though the And again I'm trying to The Planning Commission needs to be fair to this applicant. I mean It seems to me that that
I said this when Palm Winds came in. This isn't the first time I said this.
So I'm saying, I mean, I mean just relative just relative magnitude, I mean the number of lots that this MPD's approving compared to Paul Wynn's and putting on Connor Rhode just seems to be a little bit more than a little bit. Minor. That being said Um I mean, I think that's a good thing To your point, Mr Moody, we do have the power of eminent domain, so if we needed to acquire property to fix that intersection When we connect colony road, that
What that's my point is that it it's I mean I don't uh I can't tell where the traffic lights are on fifty two currently, but There's none there. I mean so I don't know that there's a spacing reason why you couldn't have a tropical external moonlight,
right?
Yeah, paradise point in the one direction and moonlight the other way.
But there's a full median opening at Shadow just to the east of this, correct?
Right.
Right here. Right. So D O T closes full meeting openings all the time.
Right. And it's become It's become horrible for those people. They're they can't make a left turn to go anywhere and now people Well people are using parking lots. We cut through parking lots to get over to a place where you can get to A median opening.
I guess my only point is that and Mr Poone didn't come out and say it, but that issue could be fixed. Does that mean there's no There's no reason it couldn't be fixed.
Well I don't I'm not saying I think it can be fixed and it ought to be fixed. And it's probably unfair to ask Mr. Poon the question. Maybe it's the staff the question. Why should we approve and developments and increase of density if we don't have a plan to fix a traffic problem.
And I'm not saying I won't approve this. But I'm asking that question. And it's not the first time I've asked a question. It's a problem. And he go look at the right-of-way. the number of lots. And then I'll ask you this other thing. Look at how many single family residences. front on Colony Road.
We're gonna turn this into a four lane roadway from nowhere to nowhere.
What are we gonna do? about those residences. How'd you like to live on a piece of property and we just decided to build a four lane road from nowhere to no from nowhere to nowhere. For the purpose of what? I nobody can answer that question. I'm trying to figure out what's the purpose of it. And I'm not saying we shouldn't do it, but I don't understand the purpose. What are you gonna what are we gonna do for all those people there? Just think about that we did that with Little Road. How'd you like to own a residence that used
to be on Plaza Drive and Posh Golden Acres and now you've got a six lane roadway as your front yard?
Well we probably need more interconnects between Hudson and fifty two than what we have and That seems like a natural area to do it. There's no good answer to it. That's the problem.
I
mean
I don't have a good answer to your question, but this ha this happens all over the camp. I mean there's there's houses that front state room fifty four. Dade. What happens over time
is those get road fifty four goes from somewhere to somewhere. I'm trying to figure out
what's the first staff would say this road goes from Hudson to fifty two. For what? To provide north-south interconnectivity between the two roads. to accommodate the growth that's occurring in this area. But the reason the reason these roads are on our vision map is because we We projected that at the densities that our future land use allows in this area. You need more roads to accommodate it. That's right.
And we n and they need to be functional. When you get to the end of the road, you get to the state highway system, you
need to be able to make it.
But it can
be fixed.
Yeah, th these kinds of problems happen all over the place, bec like Belcher Road, Clearwater. They were that was a residential road. You know, and You just can't foresee sometimes in the future. But obviously, you know. Colony Road, in my mind. would be a natural connection going north. Because it's always Uh but you gotta do it, you gotta put it in and you gotta put the light there to m to to really accomplish anything. And that's what I'm saying.
We got a future, we got a vision road there, but w what's the vision? When is it going to be done?
So I think Mr. Pitos wants to say something. He's had his hand up for a while. Oh I'm sorry.
I just wanted to mention that uh collector roads Uh yes they can take people from point A to point B. But the the main idea of a collector is in the name. It collects uh development basically and directs them either to additional collector roads or to the ar arterials. That's what's happening in the case of Colony Road here, where Point A is actually in the midst of Hudson and State Road 52. It's all the neighborhoods that are linking to colony. And those
people then are able to get out to the collector road on Hudson or the Collect or the Arterial Road down on State Road 52. Um that's the main function of the of the collector itself. It's not unusual that homes open onto collector roads across the country, even here in Florida and in Pasco County. Um the the thing that I would add is that You know, if congestion is a concern, one legitimate solution to congestion is actually creating more connections and creating
a wider network. If this development were to connect Foxfire to uh Hudson Avenue, uh that would only add to the network of roads that are doing exactly the same thing, which is Foxfire to Peachtree, Colony to Fairwinds, even fairwinds to I think I think it's um Meadow Gulf Avenue to Win Lane. I'm looking at it from a very high level here. Anyway, the point is that there's a number of connections that are gonna
lead up to Hudson Avenue. So Keep that in mind in terms of what a collector can do and how congestion can be mitigated. Um I'm sure that Today we do not build collector roads that f that have residences fronting onto them with driveways, et cetera. Um but in the nineteen eighties it certainly was the case when these neighborhoods were developed that Colony Road was forming up to collect all of the neighborhoods,
including those residents that were fronting onto it.
Well, I've been here and I can tell you where Colony Road is and why it's named Colony Road. 'Cause it goes to a Dudas colony. That's why it's there. That's what its purpose was. It wasn't built as a collector road, it was built as a road to get to the nudest colony. Which I understand may be for sale now, but
Anyway, I'm try what I'm trying to point out is if we're going to develop this area, and I'm not again I'm not necessarily opposed to development in this area. I recognize it's future land use is res three. What I'm trying to say is Somebody needs to go solve a transportation problem before we have a transportation problem. That takes a Looking at it. Thanks, Will. Get it done.
Yeah. Go back to your department and ask them to look at the intersection of Colony Road in fifty two, please.
Yeah, yeah, we'll we'll we'll do that. Um we'll kinda contact F D O T also and kinda talk about it and so forth. Thank you.
So Barbara, uh one minor point. We talked about it earlier, but this connection to palm winds Um I did look at your M P D plan and it does show the connection. But it looks like it goes through At least on the M P D plan, it looks like it goes through land that you own.
Mm-hmm.
And there's no right-of-way dedication requirement for that interconnect, so I think There needs to be. If it's if it's not going to connect directly to the colony road right away. There needs to be a right-of-way dedication condition to for that missing piece of
I agree.
A roadway.
I agree and I'll work on that condition with you and staff.
We we certainly don't we're here standing here, we're gonna do connectivity because the code requires it, but then we're gonna have a strip here that doesn't allow the
right we have a neighborhood to the east that actually contemplated this connection. Correct.
Correct.
So we need to make sure it actually occurs.
Yeah. Yeah. Okay, yeah, I see what you're saying.
And we have the arrow on our MPD plan, but there could be a little bit of a gap there. So we need to make provision for that to make sure that we give the right of way so there's not a gap.
Yeah, it looks like the car's through the little corner there.
Good eye. Certainly wasn't intentional. I don't do things like that, so We'll get it fixed.
Right.
Any more questions for Barbara?
Right. Good catch, Dave.
Okay. So I think that was it for from the public, right? Any uh
motion.
I just wanted to echo what John's point about that calling everyone in fifty two. The people get off the highway there in the Sunkoast, they're going about sixty miles per hour on there. And um I drive that every day. There's also a curve there, so you can't really see where the cars are coming until they're right on you. So it's it's very dangerous and I just want to echo, you know, have the county look at that and if you could expedite that in any way. Yeah, look at
signalizing it.
Does anybody know how much of the Palm One M P D is already built?
There are houses going vertical in there. I don't know whether all the streets are in but I know up close to Hudson Avenue you can see the new homes and there's there's still dirt being moved.
Yeah I'm just saying that given the board's decision to connect that project if airwinds It just seems like that's an issue that should be looked at. Uh unrelated to this M P I mean because look at the number of units that And Pollman that are approved will make that connection to Fairwind. That's gotta be three hundred units there? I I don't know how many Does anybody know how Pollyman was
approved for? But it's a lot more than this M P D. It was like three ninety or something like that. But there's another one, David, there at the corner of Fair Winds and
Three Nineteen.
Three nineteen. There's there's another one if you go further south at Fairwinds and Colony on the southeast corner. That's that subdivision is now complete and ready to go vertical. So that's a lot of
I think
that was a hundred and eighty. Was that a hundred and eighty? I believe so, yeah.
Yeah, I Mr. Moody, you my only point is you you made a point at the last meeting about Not punishing the current applicant for sins of the past. And to me the sins of the past here were that we approved the Palmland M P D and then the project you just talked about. Without the Addressing the colony fifty two intersection. This this seems like it's the just the
Is actually putting a very small number of units to a problem that was already.
I also said at the le at the previous meeting, because I ask a question, don't presume that I have to do it.
It is definitely
a problem that needs to be dealt with and s sooner better than better than later. Just another good act opportunity to bring
it
up.
So all the all that said, I agree that Barbara's applicant shouldn't be penalized for this, so I'll make the motion to approve uh PC six. With David's uh suggested addition.
On the interconnectable ones.
Okay, we have a second. We have a second. Further discussion on the motion.
If not, all in favor signify by saying aye. Aye. Aye. Opposed like sign? Motion carries.
All right.