An Ordinance Amending The Pasco County Comprehensive Plan; Providing For A Comprehensive Plan Amendment To The Future Land Use Map (Map 2- 15 And Sheet 10) From RES-1 (Residential- 1du/Ga) To PD (Planned Development) On Approximately 7.83 Acres Of Real Property Located North Of The Intersection Of Little Road And Jasmine Boulevard; And A Text Amendment Creating Subarea Policy FLU 7.1.82 – Little Road PD; And A Map Amendment To The Future Land Use Map 2-9 Adding Subarea Map 2-9(82) Little Road PD; And Providing For Additional Text Amendments As Necessary For Internal Consistency; Providing For A Repealer, Severability, And An Effective Date.
What the county recorded
Staff recommendation
Approve
DispositionContinued
Approved to continue to the June 17, 2025 Board of County Commissioners meeting at 1:30 p.m. in New Port Richey by a roll call vote.
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PDE-25-0054 in full →PDE-25-0054 was taken up 6 times between Mar 25, 2025 and Sep 16, 2025, continued 4 times — this is appearance 3.
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Item P43 was published in the Tampe Times on February 5th, 2025, and affidavit of certified mailings and site postings. The item was continued from the March 25th, 2025, BCC meeting, where it was continued to the April 22nd, 2025, BCC meeting, where it was continued to today.
Right. If I could, um I wanna postpone f P forty three till Commissioner Starkey. Um Then let's move to P forty four.
Mr. Chairman Mariano.
Okay, let's go to P forty five.
Item P forty five was published on Tampa Bay Times on April 2nd, 2025.
Mr. Chairman Mariano. Um For item P forty three, the applicant as of this morning has requested or as of this afternoon has requested a continuance to the June seventeenth, twenty twenty five BCC meeting in New Port Richey. Okay.
Um
I'm okay with the continuance, but here's what I don't want to see happen, um, especially with Commissioner Yeager not here. You got some people that are probably here to speak to this item?
Yes.
That are probably gonna want to come back to see it after they make their comments the following. So if the board's okay with continuing it, I want the public to be able to speak to it. But I don't want to preclude them from speaking again later on depending what the changes are coming forward.
Well if that's if that's the case we might as well wait.
We don't need to have the We don't need to have public comment on it.
Well if I got some people that really want to speak that can't make it, I don't want to preclude them or maybe maybe they're not sure if they're gonna make it. But
up to the county attorney,
I guess. Well it was not a It was not advertised as a continuance. The rule has been that if they cannot make it back to the continuance date. that the board will take that public comment, but they can't have two bites at the apple, they can't speak twice.
Well I I'll say this with this item in particular. Um I had met with the developer I told them what I wanted to see. And from what I can see it didn't happen. And I think the same complaints or concerns I had were there. And again When this comes back, I'm sure there gonna be some changes. and they may be satisfactory or not, but because of the sensitivity of this development And to what's going on with it. Um I think we should make an exception to the normal rule that we have we you can't speak
twice because I know there's gonna be some changes. And I don't want to preclude them if they can make it or can't make it, not to get their input in now. Because I think it's important we hear it now. And then we'll let the developer at that point
Come back in and do another hearing with it. But I I think it's like a unique opportun a ne a unique situation.
All right.
If there's gonna be changes to it. They'll be speaking on something that might not even be in the They they would probably need to hear those changes prior to having that meeting in June.
Well Commissioner
Weightman.
They're they're kinda wasting their time talking about it if it's if it's not gonna come forward.
And I'll say th the the reason I I differ I differ with that is because what's gonna happen is as they speak to it, there may be some things that are gonna get changed, some things not. And If if I think the developer hears it it may affect them to actually make the move on it to make it make it as good as it can be.
Did you have your hand raised, Mike? I I I did. I I'm told the Commissioner Yeager is online. As well. Just just so you for your awareness, Mr.
Chairman. Okay.
Well.
We have four then.
I'd I'd be okay with them speaking, but Again, we don't know what those potential changes are. We don't know. So we're just Shooting in the wind a little bit here.
Okay. So do we do we want to prevent people from speaking the second time is the question right now. Commissioner Oakley doesn't want to speak again. I do. I'm a speaking. Twice.
Uh potentially, yes. Hopefully all the questions are answered and Everybody's okay.
Okay. All right. So for the public, if you want to speak to the item, you're gonna be allowed to speak and the second time back again. Um I'm gonna ask you this though, if you hear something that someone says
Mr. Chairman. Does that mean you're not gonna wait for Commissioner Starkey? Because originally we passed on this one to wait for Commissioner Starkey to come. Back. Because we're
not gonna discuss it, I'm okay with it. Uh other otherwise I would've. But right now there's just republican input anyway.
All right. So if you if you're here for P43, you want to speak to it, we are going to continue the item, I believe, but we'll give you an opportunity to speak if you want. I don't want to I want to preface, please do do not extend this if you want to have something to want to say. If someone says it before you, don't feel the need to say it again, but just I wanna get some input from you to what you're thinking with the neighborhood.
I do have three people signed up for P forty three. I can pull their names if you'd like.
Let's call them up. And this is the comprehensive plan amendment, not the rezoning. Not the rezoning, just a comprehensive plan amendment.
I have uh uh Tyler, I think it's Sander.
Three of spinners. Sanders. I put down P55.
Okay, so someone under um then maybe it's Robert Jarnell. Jarel. Jarel, thank you.
This is just for the land use. We're not talking about the zoning.
Hi. My name is Robert Jarrell. I live at [address removed]. I've been there since two thousand and seven. Just for you just so you all know I paid six hundred and seventy five thousand dollars for my house. I have horses, I have donkeys, I have goats. I live in an agricultural community. I bought the house because it's an agricultural community. The developer is proposing to put all these house all these townhouses and everything right behind right against my property, against where my animals are and where my family is. The problem I have with this, beyond the
fact that they're gonna be putting hundreds of cars coming ba back and forth in commercial. right next to all my neighbors. is that my property and the developer did not know this at the Planning Commission meeting They didn't even under understand that this was happening. My property floods. So bad that I have two hundred and fifty about two hundred yards of fence div between mine and my neighbor's property. That my fence, the bottom of my fence for two and a half feet is rotted out. My other my other neighbor fixed it. That's
how bad my property floods now. If you guys understand What this is ha what's happening here, they're gonna elevate that property and whatever they do to that property is not gonna mitigate the fact that my property is low. I've called swift mud, I have a delineation line, my property where my pasture is for my animals, my horses, and my donkeys, is considered a dry lake bed. is exactly against the um the uh south side of their property. We
are not happy about this. We have over 130 signatures against this development right now, guys. When does that happen? And that doesn't include the people that couldn't sign it in our neighborhood because we have a neighborhood chat. Everybody is against this. I implore you. Implore you. Please look at this very, very seriously as this is gonna be a detriment to my community and all my neighbors that are next to it or anywhere even close to this. This is not a good thing
for our community. It really is not. The traffic flow out on Little Road and Jasmine Boulevard, there are accidents there. You guys can you f go look at the the the studies.
I mean there's gonna be more traffic in there. It's not even a there's not even a light there where they're gonna be coming in and out of And guys, I wanna t though, I want to tell you real quick. Unfortunately, I have reached out to the owner of this property. This property has become a racetrack for off-road vehicles right now. I've asked them over and over and including the last planning meeting, told them about this. They won't even bother to put a gate up. They don't care. I talked to FWC, they have um a tortoise, uh uh engineer tortoise
um uh uh thing there on the property. The tortoises are getting killed by all these people riding around there. They don't seem to care, they're not doing anything, they won't even answer me. I've tried endlessly to you know talk to them about these a lot of these issues that are going on there. I'm going nowhere. And they just don't seem to care, guys. Thank you. I appreciate your time.
Thank you. Um who do we have next?
Madam Chair?
Yeah.
So we decided that there's like maybe two other speakers or one other speaker that's gonna speak. We're gonna let them speak again because it's gonna be continued coming up. They're asking for a continuance. Okay, but I did want to have this input done.
All
right,
and uh thank you for indulging me. I had my dryer delivered from the hurricane. And um the door was opening the wrong way so I couldn't use it so they had to figure out how to Open it the other way. And I don't think they'd ever done that before, so it took 'em a long time.
Okay.
Um
I have a a procedure request or question um for Mr. Seinsnyder. Did for this item did the since it's going to be continued or presented Do we still need to read the title of P forty three into the record?
Would be nice.
Okay. Yes. So Mr. Pitos, would you mind?
Item P43 is PDE 2500054. This is an ordinance amending the Pasco County Comprehensive Plan, providing for a comprehensive plan amendment to the future land use map, Map 2-15 and Sheet 10, from Res One, residential one dwelling unit per gross acre, to PD plan development on approximately 7.83 acres of real property located north of the intersection of Little Road and Jasmine Boulevard, and a text amendment creating. Sub-area policy uh flu seven one eighty two, Little Road P D, and a map amendment
to the future land use map two dash nine, adding sub-area map two dash nine eighty two, uh Little Road M P U D, and providing for additional text amendments as necessary for internal consistency providing for repealers, so resilience, and effective.
Thank you. I can call up the next um public comment is Tammy White.
Can I go back? I I should my comment for P fifty five.
Um just a minute please he he was he signed up for the rezoning he should he should be entitled to speak on a compliment amendment.
But that's fine. That's fine. Um I'll you can come up first. Um it is Tyler Sanders, correct? Yeah. Okay. If you don't mind stating your name and address for the record and then you can't
do it.
Tyler
Sanders, uh I live at [address removed]. My property is immediately on the backside. of this development. It currently floods on the back right corner. So I too am concerned, just like Robert mentioned, with the flooding that this is going to create for on the on the back side of my property. But I'm also concerned about having two story buildings right off my my fence line. My property sits up the house and it slopes down as it sits right now. This
row of houses, these um these dwellings will have a direct view right into the to my backyard in my pool. My issue, and I brought this up with a developer, was you know, we all bought into this community because it was zone ER, estate residential. uh with the understanding that it's this is you know you have w a minimum of one acre lot. Um I mentioned to the developer at the meeting that um Um if you were gonna take the 7.83 acres and put seven houses back there, nothing we could do. I mean it's
that's what it's zoned for. Um obviously they want to maximize their profit at our expense. Um I argue with the developer that Even though he said it's going to be these will be upscale condos or townhomes, I said it's still going to decrease our property value. You're putting 23 twenty-four, twenty-five houses back there where we all have to have one house per acre. And I said there's no way that's not going to impact our property values. Um and their response
was, Well, we could put hud Hudhouses back there and I said, Well, I mean a as a threat to us, like well what is that supposed to mean? That you you can um you know really really stick it to the homeowners who are living there and put something back there that's not gonna be as appealing. Um it's gone back and forth on the size of the fence that they're gonna put up to block out the the view bit e no matter what, it's right on my back property line, my two hundred feet Will be now a a row of houses. So
that's my objection is to our property values are going to be impacted as well as to the um flooding that is inevitable is gonna occur. Even though they've they say they're gonna mitigate that, we all know that um, you know, twenty, ten, fifteen years down the road, next storm comes through here. Um No. How is my property going to flood less than it did this last August during the last storm? No, it's gonna there's no way it's gonna flood less. There's a whole lot more houses and development and roads, asphalt uh now right behind
my property. So that's all I have to say, but thank you. Thank you for um l allowing us to speak today.
Thank you. I have next up I have uh Tammy White.
Hi, I'm Tammy White. I live at [address removed]. I've lived in my home for thirty-four years. I have seen horrific changes in our community in these thirty-four years. And most recently it just seems like um Golden Acres is under attack. This is gonna put more traffic into our neighborhoods right now All of us that live on the main roads, Hilltop Drive, Osceola,
Lakeview, People come through there and take out our fences. In the last two years I've had my fence and gate taken out twice. One woman took out sixty feet of my fence, her truck was wedged in between two oak trees. It took three wreckers to get her vehicle out of my property And she got away with it.
I'm a widow living there now by myself and I have to take care of what other people do to our properties. It was mentioned at the last meeting that there is a swath of land that goes from that property to Hilltop Drive, and we couldn't talk about it because they said to us, we can't talk about something that may or may not happen in the future. eventually that property is gonna be used for them to go to Hilltop Drive, just like the Greek
church does. And every event the Greek Church has their people that go to these events exit on Hilltop Drive. They end up going into neighbors' properties because they don't understand that it's not an entrance to The church. We have to clean up our roads every single day in front of our house and it's getting worse and worse. I just We
live there for a reason. We want our quality of life and we want it to stay that way. And w we're fighting for it now. And not at not with just this. So you know, please consider that. If you lived in our neighborhood and you were under attack like this. That's just what it feels like. Thank you.
Okay, is there anyone online?
Um I have two more signed up and I possibly have another. All right, Alan Rose.
I have a presentation for the board.
Move approval to accept.
All all all in favor? Aye.
Aye. Thank you.
And why are we continuing this one?
Developer's request. Okay.
Can we wait till you all get a copy or is this gonna be
P please try not to repeat.
Okay, here we go. She's hanging it up. Um There are 30 homesteads surrounding this property, all designated as state residential, 15 in Elceola Heights, 15 in Golden Acres. And
What this is gonna do is gonna impugn the neighborhood. It's gonna dramatically affect, as you've heard, our property values. and what w the the what we're used to.
Anyway. I listed all the properties that are surrounding it and every property is on one acre or more. We have residential and uh equestrian Animals and whatnot. The next item that we have is, as you've heard, the traffic. We're a little road bypass coming through our neighborhood. And that's why the traffic summaries that you've seen, the traffic reports you've seen are all inaccurate. If you put those uh speed bumps that we once had back
on our roads, you'll put the traffic back on Little Road and you watch what happens to the traffic on Little Road. We suffer this every day, from four in the morning till nine in the morning, and then every evening, from starting at three in the afternoon till eight at night, the dramatic traffic that we get for the Little Road bypass coming through our neighborhood. They come through. Hilltop they come through.
Because of this. So the traffic summary that they've submitted is totally inaccurate because they don't take that into account. Then there's the flooding. It floods two ways. It floods north and it floods south. To the north you're gonna go down into the Bear Creek Basin, which is an impaired water basin. and to the south it goes over Jasmine and down into are uh wetlands and that wetlands goes throughout golden acres Goes over to Crane's Roost. Floods out. I've listed on this you'll
see where it floods up every year. The two overpasses and this will just increase the flooding we have, the repetitive flooding. And that's gonna it's just it's just gonna be dramatic. And but the traffic is really gonna be horrendous. That's what I have to say. I have 130 signatures of people that are opposing this. all residents of the area, and we all do not want to see this development happen. Thank you.
Thank you. I have um Jeff Hill.
Jeffrey Hill, [address removed]. My whole property touches this. So I have one acre, it's like narrow. So where I am now, there's woods, there's a field, and then the church where my son goes to school. When they develop this every inch of my property when I go outside, I'm gonna look, I'm gonna see. People in their houses. Not only that, I'm gonna see the back of a strip mall because they're putting two Strip malls in. What's
gonna happen to my property value? It's gonna tank, right? And I can't sell it now. 'Cause then I'll get sued. Right. It's it's gonna be absolutely miserable. When they were remodeling the church, I was okay with it because it was turning to a school. My walls rattled. What's gonna happen when they build this right here? It's gonna tank my whole property. Everything. My son goes to that school. When school lets out The traffic is from the school. to the next intersection. They're gonna have one
way in, one way out, not gonna happen. They're gonna put a road in, go on the hilltop, and that's gonna go right on top of my fence. It's just I I completely oppose it. It's gonna destroy golden acres. It's gonna destroy my property and my value. Thank you.
I have someone signed up but they didn't put an agenda item. I just want to make sure they're not here for this item right now, Shirley.
I'm left.
Okay. Do you know which item you were for?
That's right.
Yeah, it's actually but
it's actually no secret. Okay.
That public hearing is at five PM.
thank you, 'cause Mike, I didn't see that on the agenda. Um Madam
On the d on the forums. I don't know if any and there's no one on WebEx, but I don't know if there's anyone else.
Okay. Um So is there anyone else here that wishes to speak to this? Okay. I didn't see what you did. Is this just open door for anyone to speak, Jack, at both hearings? Why are we doing that? We have never ever done that before.
Well we had a long discussion while you weren't here. What? We had a long discussion about it while you weren't here.
Okay.
All right, come on down. This is just unusual. We usually don't let people speak here. You won't be able to do it. It's
unusual for me to be here.
John Hall, [address removed]. My property is on the north side of uh backs up to the north side of uh what's being proposed here. As they've already spoke to, you know, the flooding issues. I've even worked with Jack in uh years past the church that's north of this property has a massive Flooding issue. That swamp head that's behind there is what my house backs up to. That swamp head has a channel that runs on the north side of the school, uh, that is that floods continuously. The county pumps water from there over to get the drainage over to Little Road to
the thing. There is no manhole for that water to go to. So what happens is the swamp head gets too high and then it floods, which is what most of the properties around there are dealing with. I've been there twenty years this uh this year. Uh I have two hundred and fifty feet along there. Uh Uh flooding issues, like we said, that's that's a massive problem. Property values, uh traffic issues, like you said, already have people coming through constantly down my street every single afternoon. Every evening for at least three or four hours. Um we've got 130 sign thirty
signatures already, which is is gaining. Um The the visual of these buildings too, there's like they're saying, a backing up to their lots, staring right into their bathrooms. I mean who we've been there twenty years living in an acreage. It's called Golden Acres for a reason, right? Golden Acres, that's where we live. So you everybody has at least an acre or more. Uh The uh The uh everyone surrounding us is gonna lose value. We're all gonna be infected in neck in negatively ways and The flooding issue is a
known issue there. It's known. I mean I the county pumps water over Little Road to get rid of it from the swamp pit. And my house is immediately affected. It comes to b right to the back door. Every single time I have a storm. So That's my piece. Completely object. Thank you.
Um okay, so since we're doing something unusual today Are we letting the applicants be to any of this or are we just gonna skip all of that too?
The applicant wanted to continue, so we're just gonna
I know, but you opened the door. So
we we
to take all this comment. I think
you you take applicant rebuttal.
Yeah.
Sure.
I mean I don't wanna be sued. Hello. Good afternoon. Good afternoon.
I'll make these comments with the understanding that we're going to continue. Yes. Yes, and
you can have your opportunity again, just like
very good.
Yeah.
This is uh Mr. Chad
Pardon me. Mr. Chad Davis, uh legal counsel for the uh developer, and Ms. Ava Russo, um one of my engineering staff members. I guess for the record, I guess my name is Michael Hoffman, Advanced Engineering Consultants. Property address ten thousand nine. Gallant Lane, Tampa, Florida. Uh three three six two five Um I don't think I want to go through what we had planned for next Just to address some of the key possibly
myths or concerns. One of the reasons we're continuing this is to have more staff conversation. uh with uh utilities and and storm stormwater management. About a possible existing uh pump out at that location. But I wanna emphasize one key thing here. If you look at the topography of this site On the south, mid portion of the property, there's it's basically like a small hill.
Okay? And that water sheds to the north and sheds to the south. If you leave the same
there's a ridge, kind of a ridge?
It's actually like a little hill.
Okay.
Okay. Um if
If you Leave the property the way it is right now. Yes, you will continue to plug. if you develop this property in accordance with stormwater management principles of attenuation Treatment drawdown. We're actually going to improve the amount of water that leaves this site. We're gonna reduce it. Or pre Uh development water. Our post development water has to be less than our pre-development water. because of
the stormwater retention. Underground chambers. The county will not allow us to to put more water in the adjacent properties. It's actually going to diminish. We're going to manage it. So there's concern about us flooding the adjacent people. is actually going to improve. It's a very key point that people are not really understanding. The second thing, the privacy issue. My client is willing to put up an eight foot tall Masonry
fence all the way around his property. If they stay with the current development They're gonna actually have less privacy because there'd be maybe a fence, no fence, two stories. People looking into their backyards, that's still gonna happen. If you also look at that location, the proximity of our uh uh buildings For most of them are several hundred feet to the next structure. There's only one structure to the south, which is only about eighty
feet. But he's gonna have a a beautiful wall, like Mr. Trump says, a beautiful wall. eight foot tall and he won't he won't H his privacy will not be compromised. So you
can't you can't speak up back there, sorry.
So those are some of the key points. Um Also uh
Oh yes, the concern about the the sliver of land that runs from our property or the developer's property to the east. The developer is willing to donate that land to those adjacent owners. Upon a successful outcome of this to mitigate any concern about people thinking that there's gonna be a road in their backyard. So all these arguments you've heard, very emotional arguments, I get it. But honestly it's
a little bit of a hyperbole. Okay. And uh with that said, Ava, is there anything else I should add?
Um. He's looking like he wants to say something or
something. So I I think I hit upon the the key points. Um Oh and in regards to property values? This is going to be a new classy development, okay? I would argue we're in matter-of-fact going to improve the property values in the area. Due to the amenities that we're providing and the um next in the next meeting we'll show you the depiction of what it's gonna look like, it's gonna actually improve the property value in the areas. So I think that's what I have for now.
Uh good afternoon, Commissioner again. Charles Davis. I'll be very brief. I just wanted to clarify uh the nature of the continuance. Um we also have a companion item, P55. So I just wanted to make sure if we're doing if we're granted this continuance that we're in fact continuing both items.
It'll
have
to be continued at
Okay, understood.
Okay. Thank you. Um David, do you have anything covered? I think we covered it. Okay. Any other comments or questions?
I don't think we're going to engage. We're
just giving you the opportunity to Okay. Thank you for your time. Thank you.
Okay, thank you.
Uh
Madam Chair, I have a another procedural question. Okay. You asking
me or you ask you.
Mr. Steinsny. Um my understanding is that the county staff received some emails. Do we want to put that on the record as well as our procedure?
No. If this is a continue this is let's Save it for the full hearing.
All right. Thank you. Madam Clerk.
So I move to continue, but I'm not sure if we do a time certain. Terry?
Mm-hmm.
Uh to the June 17, 2025 Board of County Commissioners meeting at New Porichi, one thirty PM.
You sure that's gonna be enough time? Because that engineering is gonna take some time.
That's the date that the applicant has requested. In terms of the analysis that's been Conducted thus far, we have a good head start. The next board meeting in Nuporichi is in August. August nineteenth, I believe, something like that.
So but the applicant said they'd be ready by June 17th? Or who's I didn't hear it?
Yeah, the applicant is requesting June 17th.
The uh far along?
Move to continue June seventeenth. Second.
All in favor?
Aye.
Um you have a commissioner online so you'd have to do it as a roll call vote.
District One, Commissioner Oakley.
Aye.
District two, Commissioner Weightman. Aye. District four, Commissioner Yeager.
What is told you.
Commissioner Yeager, we did not get your vote. Commissioner Yeager, District Four?
I think she can vote.
I tried to get online. I
couldn't drive in here.
District five, Commissioner Mariano. District three, Chairman Starkey.