Large-Scale Comprehensive Plan Amendment (Continuance) - CPAL 22(06) Saddlebrook Resort - Transmittal of Proposed Large-Scale Comprehensive Plan Amendment creating Subarea POLICY FLU 7.1.66, creating Future Land Use Map 2-9, sheet 66, Amending Future Land Use Map (Maps 2-15 and Sheet 22) from RES-6 (RESIDENTIAL 6 DU/GA) to PD (PLANNED DEVELOPMENT) on approximately 420.47 Acres of Real Property, Located South of S.R. 54 and East of Service Road.

1:30:42Sag it. All in favor say aye. Aye. Aye. Okay. P 105, do we have proof?

1:30:48Yes, Mr. Chairman item P one oh five was published in the Tampa Bay Times on August third, twenty twenty two and by affidavit of site postings.

1:30:56Item P105 is a large scale comprehensive plan amendment, PDD 230009. It's CPEL 2206, Saddleburg Resort. It's a transmittal of a proposed large scale comprehensive plan amendment creating sub-area policy flu 7.1.66, creating future land use map 2-9 sheet 66. Amending future land use map, maps 2-15 and sheet 22 from res 6, residential 6 dwellings per gross acre to PD Plan Development on approximately 420.47 acres of real property

1:31:26located south of Stable 54 and east of service road. Z in the agenda memo it's requested to continue to January 10, 2023 at 130 in Date City, but in consultation with the applicants and their agreement, the request is to continue to February 7, 2023, at 130 PM in Date City.

1:31:46And before I ask for this motion, I want to just bring out a point uh from residents. Um They had A series of public hearing. And

1:31:59Mm. Uh I've talked with her about it and talked to the residents. They were very uncomfortable with the way the po the posting was done with the rezoning. I got a ton of phone calls across the board on the item. Um The unclearness of what was going to happen even with that um was not made to them. So I don't feel, frankly, that the Planning Commission got a good hearing, and those are some experts we have on there to take a look at everything for us. I would like to even see how

1:32:29the board feels but I really think this thing should go back to the Planning Commission before it comes back to us as well. So I want to throw that out there with what I know. I think we've all got emails on it. Because of the changes they've made. Because the changes are but the even even more importantly, the unclearness of whatever. They had limited amount of public hearing on it, that not everybody got to do it. They didn't get to do it in person. And if ever there's a place in the planet that should be able to accommodate a public hearing, I would think it would be Saddleburg Resort. So I want to share that with you.

1:33:00The

1:33:00neighborhood

1:33:00meeting. Not the public hearing.

1:33:02Yeah, yeah, yeah. The neighborhood meeting, I'm sorry. Yeah, the neigh neighborhood meeting for everybody to come to. And I think they should do it all at once where everybody's in there hearing the whole thing. So I I feel that way. Um I just wanted before we make this continuous and I do appreciate that you're willing to move it back for us, uh accommodate the signs as well. So I do appreciate what you've done, Barbara, don't get me wrong. But I just think with the people, just the extra feedback I keep getting that they feel that they weren't uh the voices weren't heard from the get go. So I wanna know what you guys think. If you'd think that way as well, then

1:33:32we can have a comment.

1:33:35Harbor Bell Height 6327 Grand Boulevard, Newport Ritchie, 34652. We've done a lot. This is a process, and uh we've been going through that process. The over the summer the client started with um meetings with the Homeowners Association, the boards, I think there's four. Um it started with that the boards. Then they went in and did virtual meetings. There was an issue with one of the meetings in Fairway Village with the number of people that you could be on Zoom. They did another virtual meeting. They're getting ready to do um

1:34:06another in-person round of meetings. This this and they're working through the HOAs. to set those up because that's how the boards want them set up. The boards themselves want to give out the notices to their residents as opposed to giving out a list that we would send to, that my client would send to. All the information that's is always the same when he presents for different boards. So he's getting ready to do in-person meetings this month. So we feel we'll be ready for the board in well probably in January, but um we have agreed to February.

1:34:36We followed all the process um in the code and the Com plan. We're reaching out to people, everybody's getting the information. So we'd like to continue on the schedule that we're on. We agreed instead of January to February. And uh we're gonna continue this process and continue meeting with people um and working with them and we've are coming back to meet with you all, trying to get those meetings to keep you up to date along the way uh with what we've been doing because we have been making changes, we have been listening and um some pretty significant things that we've been talking to with There's

1:35:07two of the HOAs that are represented by Council, so I work with their council so that's a

1:35:14We do want to stay on schedule because we did follow all the rules.

1:35:17Uh so Barbara, I I appreciate what you're doing and and I don't I'm not implying that you you guys did anything Wrong per se, just the way it was done. Is not satisfactory to the residents that I've talked to. And I do think that if we're gonna hear a if if they're gonna hear a presentation. Everybody affected should be in the same room, the same presentation in a in a meeting. Whether they want to do it separately, that's that's extra. But everybody sh in the whole community should be hearing it at the same time what's going to be done. And when the questions were asked didn't

1:35:47get answers is even more reason to go back to everybody. Well

1:35:51they

1:35:51but more hang on. More importantly, whatever is going to get submitted to what's going to go on out there, that should be part of the presentation that the Planning Commission hears. And there was a lot of unclarity. Frankly The way it's set, it's a very unique setup. But for Frankly. Is this to go forward to be even on consent from before? It should never have gone that way in my opinion. But the Planning Commission, I feel, needs to hear a full presentation. And the people should be able to come into the Planning Commission. Let them ask the questions of these folks that we appoint.

1:36:22that represent us to be that extra layer of of protection for the folks to to get the public hearing process done, to let them get heard. So I I I'm gonna I'll request it now

1:36:32Well look can I ask a question because Sure if staff can I see Terry's looking at his phone, he's probably looking at dates. If if we can have a planning commission hearing in January, still come to the board in February because we need to do these meetings. I'm okay with I'm okay with

1:36:46that.

1:36:47So I don't want to keep pushing it and pushing and actually if you keep pushing it, it actually makes it worse because then there's gaps and then people don't know, you know, then like, Well what's going on with the hearings? And so if we

1:36:57Yeah, time wise I'm o I'm okay. I'm I'm okay with the January meeting. If you can get in planning commission, I'm okay with that. Uh long as you get your meeting done ahead of time

1:37:04too. Yeah.

1:37:09I think we can you know it's December sixth, so I think we can manage a uh planning commission In January. Probably the first

1:37:18Whichever one's in Dade City.

1:37:19Yeah, the first meeting of January. Generally

1:37:23five.

1:37:24Generally five.

1:37:25Okay. No I'm very glad you're saying that. Uh I think that people would be happy with that and I think that that would work for me. And that wouldn't snu wouldn't slow the process down either.

1:37:35I'm fine with that. I'm very confident that uh the things that my clients are my clients doing. Um that we'll see. have um a lot of buy in actually as we go forward. We just got a lot going on and uh we're really working hard on it so I have no problem going back. Um I guess that's what you'll do is you'll because it's your hearing today you just refer it back to Planning Commission. I guess that's the motion, but you've got your attorney here.

1:37:57Let me see from our county attorney how we should like to s how we how he sh recommends we handle it.

1:38:04So the c I guess the question becomes i i you can continue your board meeting date to the date in February with direction to the applicant to hold an an additional planning commission meeting on January fifth.

1:38:22Okay.

1:38:24Otherwise you're gonna have to start over with a board ad and I don't really if you remand it to Planning Commission, then you're gonna start over readvertising it.

1:38:33Thank you.

1:38:33Okay.

1:38:37So it's the so this this meeting would be this hearing would be continued to the February seventh Porter County Commissioner's meeting in Dade City, is that at one thirty or soon thereafter as they may be heard.

1:38:56Okay. Did we take public comment? comment?

1:38:57We don't have

1:38:58to continuance. Okay. Now how do

1:39:00we add

1:39:01you

1:39:01wanna make the motion?

1:39:02Uh hang on for a second. How do we add in about the planning commission to hear it as well. Or do we have to?

1:39:08And with with direction to staff to bring this matter to the

1:39:15January 5th

1:39:15Planning Commission. I just want to ask the question of how are we gonna notice the planning commission meeting because the code just changed today. So I wanna

1:39:23I will do a full notice. We have seven hundred people we need to notice to. We've have a third party company who's gonna do any of the notices. We are waiting for today. to get no re notices out so we now know what to notice. So we'll do that immediately. So

1:39:36you can add a better in the same piece of paper and send it all up together.

1:39:39What was that?

1:39:40You can do do both of them together in the same notice.

1:39:42Yes. Perfect. And we'll repost and the additional sign that we talked about, Commissioner.

1:39:46Okay.

1:39:47And uh We will go from there.

1:39:49Excellent.

1:39:50All right. Thank

1:39:51you, Ms. Wohite. Uh make motion to send the items to the Planning Commission in January and we'll see it See this back again in February. January fifth. January fifth. And then back to the fifth. Commissioner

1:40:02Oakley. Can you move the The dates are important in your motion. So so it would be it I Move to continue the board meeting the board hearing on this matter to February seventh, twenty twenty-three. at one thirty or soon thereafter a same may be held And direct and Have the matter referred back to Planning Commission on the January

1:40:32fifth. Um twenty twenty three. Planning commission date. With advert with advertising of both matters.

1:40:44Is that your motion?

1:40:45I adopt Mr. Steinschneider's verbiage.

1:40:49But I'd like to see him repeat that.

1:40:53I

1:40:53was looking for a so

1:40:54move, but you could have a good idea.

1:40:58All right. Uh a motion, second. All in favor say aye. Aye. Any opposed? All right. Barbara, thank you very much. Appreciate it.

1:41:10And thank you both for entertaining my conversation on that.