Large-Scale Comprehensive Plan Amendment (Regular) - CPAL 22(06) Saddlebrook Resort PD - Providing For Transmittal Of The Proposed Large- Scale Comprehensive Plan Amendment To The Future Land Use Map (Map 2- 15 And Sheet 22) From RES-6 (Residential-6 DU/GA) To PD (Planned Development) on Approximately 549.39 acres of Real Property located to the South Of S.R. 54 and East of Service Road; and a Text Amendment creating Subarea Policy FLU 7.1.66 – Saddlebrook Resort; and a Map Amendment to The Future Land Use Map 2-9 adding Subarea Map 2-9(66) Saddlebrook Resort; and Providing for additional Text Amendments as necessary for internal consistency

1:06:34So pleasure the board to move to the saddlebrook mean that we had a meeting a month ago, or two months ago. Alright, so we're gonna bring up s the saddlebrook item.

1:06:43P sixty one.

1:06:46Publication Tampa Bay Times, August third, twenty twenty-two, March first, twenty twenty-three, and by affidavit of certified mailings and site postings.

1:06:54Okay, as as we get started, um we're gonna hear some people representing other people. I'll let the county attorney address them as they come forward, but um the applicant has been asked and given fifteen minutes the Saddlebrook group has a hired an attorney and formed a group they're opposing it. They've been given fifteen minutes. There's another gentleman that wants to get fifteen minutes. Mr. Goldstein said it, but I want the board

1:07:24to have that discussion about it and then we'll take from there. Everyone, you're going to get three minutes to speak. if you don't if you would don't repeat the same thing over and over again uh so we can keep it moving we get a bunch of other hearings coming behind this one here but we're trying to move it up uh being that we already had a a first public hearing on it.

1:07:43Thanks, Mr. Chairman. The the Board had conducted a full hearing on this matter before, so there's no need for any member of the public to repeat to the Board anything they stated at the last hearing. Really the focus should be on what had changed.

1:07:59Well let me stop you. Okay. We had a public hearing. And on the public hearing there were a lot of questions that were unanswered. So if someone wants to speak about something that was addressed they spoke at before and hasn't been addressed, they should be not curtailed or even instructed on how to how to go about to speak. They're gonna get three minutes to speak is what they want to say and we shouldn't direct that. We just don't want to have the same repeat of a conversation that someone right before you'd said other than just kind of agreeing with it.

1:08:25I I don't think we're seeing inconsistent things. I'm just saying if the applicant made changes and and those changes did not address the concerns of the neighbor then think they can say the changes didn't address my concern. I'm only stating that The focus should be on what has changed since the last hearing because you had a full hearing last time.

1:08:44Yeah, we've already had full hearing. Okay. Amy?

1:08:49Good afternoon. Amy Tall with Long Range Planning, Planning and Development. I'm sorry.

1:08:57Okay. Yes. Okay, sorry about that.

1:08:59That's okay. Uh the item before you is PDD 23-0009, a large-scale comprehensive plan amendment in the name of CTAL 2206, Saddlebrook Resort. Subject property is located in the South Market area in the urban service area. Just to give you a recap of some of the history before the Saddleburgh Resort MPUD, which is currently in place, was approved June 24th, 1986 and contains approximately 530

1:09:31acres, which is before the adoption of the Comprehensive Plan in 1980-89, which was effective in 1991. In 1989, the Pasco County Comprehensive Plan was adopted and established. The County's future land use map, Map 2-15, which envisioned this area for residential density not to exceed six dwelling units per gross acre. And the MPUD was modified one time in 1992 to increase the approved commercial acreage by 2.25 acres

1:10:02for a sports. Science Center that was proposed at the time and never built. The proposed amendment to PD is intended to clean up some of this conflict between the non-residential uses that were approved in that MPUD from 1986 and add an additional parcel to this Hattlebrook Resort development.

1:10:22So, as stated, the applicant is currently proposing an amendment to PD for the portion of the existing Saddlebrook MPUD to allow for a mixed-use multifamily development located along State Road 54 and renovate the existing Gulf Cub Recreation Hotel area. The location is south of State Road 54, east of the service road area. And the resolution to the proposed amendment is a large-scale comprehensive plan. Plan map amendment to Map 2-15 and Sheet 22, as well as a text amendment creating sub-area

1:10:53policy blue 7.166, Saddlebrook Resort, and a map amendment to MAP 2-9. There is also a zoning, rezoning petition for the MPUD filed concurrently with this. These are the comprehensive plan policies that are consistent with the proposed amendment. Here's a visual representation of the aerial of the proposed PD flu. The existing future oh that's that's not right. I have to remember that.

1:11:22Currently is Res 6. The proposed future land use represented as PD flu. And so the Saddleburg Resort Sub-area Plan with a plan development, they are required to provide a conceptual plan. You have seen this on multiple occasions already. So the conceptual plan that runs alongside the comprehensive plan amendment for the PD future land use classification basically provides that vision for this area. Doesn't go into too a lot of detail as the MPD

1:11:53would. See that in the next couple slides, but in the top right or top left-hand corner, that's going to be considered area one. The purple corner on the right-hand side is area two. The area that is the golf course is going to be area four, and then area three is going to be represented as the yellow and the red area. In this proposed plan, I'll just identify some of the changes that occurred

1:12:23from the last public hearing. They just cleaned up some of the text. As you see, the note is more consolidated before these notes were located under each area. So they consolidated the notes and then they added a condition or note number five, which states that density and residential uses may be. transferred from development area one to develop area two as part of the MPD rezoning. And so this is the proposed master plan, which goes into a little bit more detail

1:12:53on what is conceptually planned. And so, as you see, area one is going to be consistent of a little zoomed-in area. So, area one is permitting up to 75,000 square feet of commercial retail office, 600 or 465 dwelling units for Multifamily and 35 dwelling units for townhomes. This area is intended to act as an entryway to Saddlebrook to create a

1:13:23mixed-use development vertically integrated with retail and multifamily in portions of the site or portions of this area, as well as a mudrum component. to ensure there's internal capture for this area. Area 2 is proposed for 25,000 square feet of commercial retail office as well as 120 dwelling units for townhomes.

1:13:49And this is a zoomed-in version of area three and four. Area three and four, area four being the golf course and the relocation of the driving range, as well as area three, which identifies preservation of the tennis courts, as well as the renovations for the clubhouse and the resort area. And with that we auth recommend authorizing transmittal of the proposed comprehensive plan amendment to DEO and other reviewing agencies. Lots of papers. And

1:14:19if you have any questions, I think

1:14:20we need to answer that. Any questions for staff?

1:14:24Okay. And the applicant?

1:14:30So Mr. Chairman on the issue of time, the applicants requested and they're granted fifteen minutes. Do we have somebody keeping track of her time? Yep,

1:14:37right

1:14:37there. Okay. Just want to make sure.

1:14:39Can we not start until my presentation comes up, please? Yes. We start.

1:14:47Uh are they gonna restart the clock? Who's doing the cloth?

1:15:09It's the second.

1:15:10Even if the clock has not restarted, we can keep track of how much time we take.

1:15:12I know. I got it. Okay. Sounds like Mr. Cabal's got it under control there.

1:16:28So Mr. Chair, well waiting, I'm gonna address the other two requests for fifteen minutes. Sure. So I spoke to the chair. There's two other organizations that have requested fifteen minutes to speak. There's Mr Sullivan who is speaking on behalf of the Saddlebrook Condominium Association. Is that correct, Mr. Sullivan?

1:16:47Yeah, south of a resort comedy.

1:16:50And then Ms. Graham has requested fifteen minutes speaking on behalf of the Save Saddleburgh Coalition. What I advise the chair is that I don't think you can treat those two groups differently. So if we're gonna be giving fifteen minutes to one of the groups, we need to give fifteen minutes to both groups. So that's that would be my position on the issue.

1:17:12Barbara Will Hight sixty three twenty seven Grand Boulevard, New Port Richey for the applicant.

1:17:19I wanted to start off with uh why are we requesting to amend the comp plan? I had gone through this before, but I think it's important to put perspective. Um the comp plan is not needed to allow for the hundred and fifty five proposed townhomes or and or the four hundred and sixty five proposed apartments. Currently the comprehensive plan allows a maximum of one thousand seven hundred and seventy nine residential units On the property, like Um those could be single family townhomes and or multifamily under the Res Six land use designation. The Comp Plan Amendment, the reason

1:17:49why I put the Comp Plan Amendment forward for Plan Development. was to allow for the resort and the commercial retail office uses. Currently those residential land uses conflict with those uses. Because um That MPUD and those uses preceded the comp plan. So I put forward this amendment to clean up that up. The Comp Plan amendment not only does a cleanup, but as it's progressed, it restricts my client in many different manners. And we'll go through that. The

1:18:20Comp Plan amendment significantly removes the residential units units residential units currently designated for the golf course areas, not only removing them from the Comp plan, but I'll show you later that we're we're going to we have a private D restriction um that we have we're entering into with at least the Saddleburgh um Resort Condo Association because they've taken formal action on it, I'll explain what that private deed restriction does to the benefit of the Saddleburgh community. Are there existing remaining unused entitlements in the MPUD? Yes.

1:18:50The Walking Village has 100 resort units. The Lakeside Village has 68 resort units. The resort units are the condo hotels and condominiums. The Fairway Village has four 64 residential units and there's um commercial which is 100,000 square feet of commercial. Our new uh residential units that are proposed are six twenty minus the uh remaining six uh two thirty-two, which is a difference of three eighty-eight.

1:19:19So as Mr. Goldstein said what's new, trying not to go through things that we've already talked about. What have we been doing since 2-7, the board hearing before? We've had 14 meetings with three different groups. We had a town hall meeting last week with our resort members regarding our golf course renovations. was attended by Rhys Jones, the designer. And approximately 150 members attended. So all the questions regarding golf were presented. Um all the information regarding golf were presented to

1:19:49these resort members last Thursday. We again noticed this hearing, one thousand sixty-eight notices went out again for this hearing. The Saddle Rocondo Association Board of Directors, who are represented here today, I hear, represent six hundred and fifty-seven unit owners. They've taken formal action to approve that private deed restriction. Of course they're here, they can speak for themselves. A lot of work went into that, many, many, many, many hours. They hired an attorney with the was specialized in that type of law. as

1:20:20did my client because I don't do deed restrictions. We made revisions to the PD sub area plan, which we'll go through, and we made revisions to the MPD concept plan. I know I will be criticized for the fact that the MPD concept plan is a concept plan, but we are here at land use, and the concept plan is something that will become, will have a binding version of our MPD concept plan when we come forward with our MPD. The reason why I know it's going to be binding is because Mr. Goldstein

1:20:51made me remove the words non binding before it could be presented here. So it is the intent that we will have to have a binding concept plan that's going to accompany our MPUD with the details, which you'll probably hear about today. One of those being that that MPUD concept plan as part of the MPUD will show the location, the new driving range, and the golf school building. It's also, you can see those located on the concept plan that I've handed out in a bigger size. I can stand here and say, I did not give you anything that hasn't already been made available

1:21:21to everybody and that staff has had including a new package. All I did was just give you a bigger size of it.

1:21:28The private deed restriction, pretty significant. I've never seen somebody that owns a private property owner who owns golf course property willing forever to restrict their property. Now it's of course it's 99 years plus renewals and that's because the attorneys, not our attorney, but other attorneys wanted to make sure that they were definitely felt that this was enforceable, so they made us do the that language. But what it does is it it only not only says when my clients go to renovate this course what the ground rules are and how people's views will

1:21:58be protected. It also says in the in the future what you can't do by saying what you only can do. So there's always an issue of change of use and as you read Mr. Really's um letter to you all, he said that many of those the folks that wanted to buy saddlebrook, and he can speak for himself too if he's speaking, um that wanted to buy Saddlebrook wanted to put homes on the golf courses. By my client's commitment not required to do and doing a private deed restriction, that won't be able to happen.

1:22:31The binding sub-area plan, I get criticized a lot a lot for this one as well. The fact that I call it a a P D sub-area plan instead of a P D concept plan. That's because a P D concept plan would not be binding, and we voluntarily agreed to make our P D plan binding. So I called it a P D subarea plan. I could I could rename that a P D concept binding sub-area plan, but I'm just trying not to cause confusion and and I'm trying to be very transparent. So we meet the requirements

1:23:02and exceed them in your in your comp plan relative to the requirement for a P D concept plan because not only do I have one but I made it binding. Sets worth renewed permitted uses can only be located, sets worth the maximum densities and intensities for area one and two, limits development in areas three and four, and we added a new note. Because we were asked quite a bit between area one and area two, could we transfer density? Uh and so we added the note that that can occur, density and uses can go from one to two as part of the MPD zoning. Area

1:23:33one, my client has a presentation regarding area one. Just a a few highlights, you know we're gonna do mudderum, it's gonna be mixed use pedestrian friendly. You heard staff describe the entitlements. Any of our multifamily apartments have to be located behind non-residential on fifty-four consistent with the policy of the board.

1:23:53Again, my client will tell you more about Area One. Area two, staff has described that as well. I think the one thing I wanted to point out was that the community requested us not to have vehicular or pedestrian or bicycle connection to Saddlewood Resort. So we've included that in our MPUD variation request because the code does require that connectivity. Our only access will be to and from State Road 54.

1:24:21Area three A and three B, that's within the walking village. where we're going to do renovations to existing facilities. Our new development in that area is limited to a new clubhouse for the golf uh courses as well as restaurant and retail uses. This is the change that was made to 3A since the last hearing. Quite a bit of discussion with the the coalition folks wanting to make it clear that we were talking about the area of it was 20 quarts. So

1:24:51that that area would be maintained? for th for tennis and r and the like kind of uses, pickleball and so forth. The request was we ultimately agreed. I think we agreed. To twenty two.

1:25:063B, it looks like it had a change there when I did the red line, but I don't think there's any substantive change to three B.

1:25:14For restricted area four, these reflect the changes that were made in between. There probably is some question that you'll hear regarding the removal of the 27 holes. What I was asked to do was to make the private deed restriction consistent with this language here that's going on your comp plan sub-area of the plan. And so I made the language consistent with the date restriction that was agreed to and that's why you see those changes. Um no bad intent, just

1:25:45that that's what I was asked to do. When I found out that that was a concern I had been s sworn at that I would not change the documents coming before you today. So I didn't want to be sworn at again, but if that's of concern, we only changed it because we were asked to make the documents consistent.

1:26:05Some w some things that get a little bit more than a little bit. not stated enough, which I think are pretty significant things in our proposal. Um one is that there's gonna be a new secondary gated entrance to Saddlebrook for residents only. With there's only one way in and one way out today. We will be providing a significant uh difference and having a secondary gated entrance to Saddlebrook for the residents only that will get them to uh Wiregrass Boulevard where they can go north to fifty four, to the shopping areas, they can go south to all the all

1:26:35the things that Wiregrass has to offer, as well as to Chancey and State Route 56. Another significant change is that there's going to be a new primary entrance for all the Saddlebrook Resort service vehicles. I remember when I came to this county in nineteen ninety six, the first thing I worked on was Saddlebrook. And the residents complained on Saddle Saddlebrook Ray complained about all the buses that came through when the resort was vibrant, all the tour buses and different things that would come through Saddlebrook Ray Way. in front of their homes. That's still been an issue since nineteen ninety six

1:27:06when I first the first joined the county. Well, through this project, the amendments we're making, that won't be an issue because there will be a new entrance that all the service vehicles and the vehicles that are large vehicles that are going to that resort can now go through and not have to go down Saddlebrook Bay in front of those beautiful homes. Another one I know Commissioner Commissioner Starkey's gonna really like is that we're adding an eight foot multi-use path. That the residents and resort guests can use. And those are all the areas you can get to. Right now, Saddleboke

1:27:36Ray does not have any sidewalks. And so all the traffic and pedestrians and golf carts go on Saddleburg Way. This path gets you off of that to Area One, to everything in Wiregrass, and to State Route 54. With that, I'm going to let my client client tell you talk to you and have him start coming up to talk to you about area one, transportation improvements. Like I've mentioned, we're taking the Vision Road to Wiregress Boulevard, and these are the we are adding a turn lane at Saddleburg uh entrance

1:28:07and our these are extra turn lanes we're doing as well. And those are the visuals of that. We do have language regarding linkages, linkaging, linking between area one and area two and the driving range and the resort renovations. We're still working on this. This is MPUD language. It's s gonna be criticized as well because everything I do to do more is criticized. But these are minimum commitments. We're working on the language. We've told the coalition we continue to work on it with them. But it's pretty significant to say that

1:28:37we're not going to close or demolish that golf course, the existing range, until the new one is located. Millions of dollars of investment will be put in to um to the new driving range and school facility before the other one can be demolished, which means we can't start developing area one. So there'll be significant investment made. I'll come back if there's more questions about that, but let me have um Aaron show you Area One a little bit more. Thank you.

1:29:05Thanks, Barbara. Aaron Landry, Managing Director at Mass Capital, with offices at 2601, South Bay Shore Drive in Coconut Grove, Florida. And I have been sworn.

1:29:19So I want to briefly just talk through the area one in particular, which is um which is the existing driving range, and we've targeted to create a mixed-use town center concept. Um the images on the left, uh, which I'll speak to some of their qualities, reflect some of the what we say positive approaches to mixed-use development. Um, whereas the images on the right, which are much more simplistic and basic, uh represent a design direction that we have no Intentions to doing for Area One. And so when we came up with this idea to do a mixed-use town

1:29:49center concept, we really focused on a few things, which is we know that it has to be high quality in terms of the architecture. I think that can be achieved certainly with a mixture of materials, articulation, having a great architect, all the sort of thought that goes into creating a beautiful building. But there's also other elements. That are important, which is you have to have these well-landscaped areas that really encourage community and social gatherings. In our case, which you'll see, and you I'm sure you have seen our site plan, we try to create this main street feel

1:30:20which has kind of an east-west and a north-south access. And in our case, we're trying to make sure that we're orienting these buildings and creating an environment where you have access to regional. retail and and restaurants as well. The examples on the right, I think are again, I think they sort of speak for themselves, but they're very basic, certainly don't represent high quality in our in our minds, particularly the fact that they're just three-story walk-up buildings. They really lack connectivity to any other uses. They're entirely car dependent. And they really don't create

1:30:51that sense of you know place or a real destination that we're trying to achieve with our town center concept. There's a few elements uh I think in each one of these images that are represented in our site plan um in in our proposed plans for area one. Uh in particular, I think you know all of our buildings that we're proposing for residential um there would have uh access through elevator. Um they have certainly will have a variety of architectural elements um in trying to avoid sort of the plainness of a straight

1:31:21of a of a simplified excuse me simplified um architectural approach. And then we're creating these outdoor communal spaces and plazas in our in our site plan, which I'll show shortly. These are just some inspirational images that I think kind of again sort of highlight when architecture uh is meshed with sort of well well thought out landscape architecture as well as just flat out good old planning in terms of creating a sense of place and you can have these environments um that encourage social activity. So for area one in

1:31:51our site plan, I'm going to focus just on really the two key components that have changed since the last time we were in front of you. But I but before I do that, I do want to point out in terms of you know some of those qualities that I spoke about that you can see in the site plan. I think you know there's really three or four. I think in particular, the residential is tucked behind the commercial components that are facing State Road 54. As I mentioned, with sort of an east-west street grid access, we're really trying to create that sense of place that's walkable and with the central

1:32:22element in the center that would be a focal point. In terms of the two key changes, uh the first is the uh in the prior version that went before you in February, there was a residential building um that was Excuse me. That was approximately in this location adjacent to the uh Saddlebrook Way entrance. That has since been removed and pushed further west towards Division Road. So we um certainly heard the concerns around trying to maintain that sense of arrival in the Saddlebrook and adjusted the plan to accommodate

1:32:52that by pulling away from the residential. The second and last um major change was related to To the off-site improvement of this additional connection to Souterbrook Way as part of our proposed development of Area One. And as Barbara mentioned, one of the key sort of components of this Vision Road connection is one, the ability to yes, dedicate direct access into the resort for existing resort deliveries, if you will, to remove

1:33:23the That from being at the main entrance on Saddlebrook Way. And then, secondly, having the additional connection that has never existed for residents that live inside of Saddlebrook to have an additional way out. And it this by having this off-site improvement, the additional connection across Rioras Ranch, which is to the west of us, it certainly allows people to get to points west and avoid staying. Row 54 altogether. And as I mentioned, it's one way in, one way out. We didn't design or build

1:33:53it, but it's that's the way it's been for 30 years, and we think that's a significant improvement in terms of having additional access into the resort. And then lastly, as uh the last point in terms of the connection uh into the resort uh with the multi-use path, uh that it there is a sidewalk that runs adjacent here. It would be controlled access. In the case of any vehicular for the resort deliveries, as well as for residents that would come in. So it's not a it's not intended to be a new access point for the general public. And even

1:34:23the access for the walking path or multi-use path would be controlled into the benefit of residents inside the gates of Saddlebrook, but not intended to serve any new residents that would live in. area one in terms of their access into the resort.

1:34:40Lastly, there are two sort of orange sort of V's, if you will, one out of State Road 54 at the entryway, and then their second that's a little bit further in on Saddlebrook Way. And so we've created what our conceptual landscape renderings to try to give an indication of what the of what the arrival would be. This is the most westernmost entrance off State Road 54. I think the point that to highlight here is you know the frontage along State Road 54 that exists today is very much

1:35:10important to us. We recognize the community has that concern as well. Our intention is not to demolish what is there today, it's it's to enhance that and find ways that we can make it, you know, refresh it uh and make it a much better entrance than it is. And then this last uh rendering here is from the second orange uh arrow that was on the site plan, which gives you a sense of once you're, you know, this is an actual perspective as if someone were standing looking down Saddle Road Way, you're getting glimpses of the architecture to

1:35:40the left and to the right. Um but I think the general intent here is to maintain, again, that sense of a heavily landscaped arrival. and try to minimize the impact along Saddlebok Way as you enter into the uh resort and into the Saddlebrook community. With that, that concludes my presentation.

1:36:06Twenty one gives.

1:36:09Mr. Mr. Chairman Mariano.

1:36:13If the applicant's complete I believe Mr. Sullivan wanted to speak after the

1:36:17Yes.

1:36:20And as I mentioned earlier, you should be entitled to 15 minutes. Yeah. All okay with that?

1:36:27I have been sworn. I am W. Michael Sullivan, President of the Saddlebrook Resort Condominium Association, and it is exclusively in that capacity today that I am before you. I have some printed copies of the PowerPoint presentation that

1:36:46I'll share.

1:36:47All in favor say aye. Please come to the clerk.

1:36:50Thank you.

1:37:02Um, let me show you how to do this then. There we go. The Saddlebrook Resort Conduminium Association is the oldest organization within the resort itself. We we

1:37:16Represent approximately 600 units, dwelling units, residential units, condominium units that are distributed between the walking village, which has a relationship with the resort in that the preponderant majority of those units are in a rental pool where you share revenues from the resort. Virtually all members in the walking village belong to the resort as well as golf, tennis and others then are included in your use by

1:37:46rights.

1:37:49We we have beyond our interests in our investments, both in the the capital investment into the property, we have interests in the revenues, in the health of the resort. We also have, by our very nature, in some of the survey I'll share with you, some significant concerns in the open space, the recreational space, the wildlife, and the natural resources that really are embedded in the Saddlebrick Resort. For those of you who do

1:38:19not know the resort as well as we do, what I took the time from this aerial photo and merely circle the walking village dwelling units and the Saddlebrook or the Lakeside Village units to show you that the the way our dwellings are embedded into the resort. We are surrounded by the Gulf, we are intimately influenced by what occurs in the resort facilities, and I can tell

1:38:49you today it is packed. And so having we have this long intimate relationship with the resort. Starting on March 3rd of this year, we distributed a survey. It was a simple seven-question survey designed to cause our members to make decisions about the future. 285 owners responded, which is about 85,

1:39:20they represent about 85% of our owner members. So ordinarily in a random survey or in a mailed survey, 20% is considered good. I represent to you that 85% is phenomenal. The first question was a simple demographic, which You live, and you can see that both walking village owners and residents in Lakeside responded well. We have some members who own both in Lakeside

1:39:51or in Fairway Village, or others and own a walking village. So there's a little bit of noise there where you own multiple residences. The first question after that was, what's most inter what most interests you, what most concerns you? And the clearly the the let's call I'd call it peach is reflects the people and responded highly that the management of the golf course is important, the restoration

1:40:21of all facilities, the improvement from the conditions that they've been in recent years. The yellow bar is about um Improve the restaurants, improve improve the curb appeal. And then the the third highest one is don't make it more expensive.

1:40:40So they showed their frugality. Then we began to ask more detailed questions like Would you exp would you be willing to pay for a substantial increase in membership costs or use fees? That's the top green bar. They said no. If you had to retain if you could retain ninety nine percent of the open space. and accept the loss of the practice facility, how would you feel? They didn't like it much. But if

1:41:10you said you could reduce the golf course to 27 holes and move the practice facility within the resort, they embraced that clearly and that's the yellow line there before you. We then asked some because there were concerns about the redesign and the rationale for the real redesign, and people were expressing considerable difference of opinion, so we formed a couple of simple questions. One of which is: do you accept that technology of today,

1:41:41of golf technology, has changed? Forty years ago when the resort was established, a tour player would hit a ball 240, 250 yards max. If you watch last week's tournament, Speath and others, Rory McElroy were out there at 350, 360. So the currentness of a design done in the 80s isn't acceptable to today's high-level player. It needs to be designed. And

1:42:11as you can see, 85% of our members said we accept that rationale for them to redo. Then a lot of people in the chair have noted that uh while visiting that there's a lot of there were a lot of wet spots, there were a lot of malfunctioning irrigation systems. I can tell you, having done probably 20 projects on golf courses with irrigation design, they have a lifespan of 25, sometimes 30 years. The technology available.

1:42:42Today that allows individual point irrigation from a phone app. that can control not only soil moisture but can reduce disease occurrence, reduce the need for pesticides or all and our members embrace the idea that changing these things can give us a better product and better recreation. We then asked the question of if there was an opportunity to get a conservation easement on the Gulf

1:43:12land, how would you feel about it? Would you support this? Overwhelming. 90% said absolutely, yes. Then we threw perhaps for some the most difficult question which which was if you had to trade support for Area One development. For that conservation easement. And this is based on the recognition that mass capital has investors, stockholders, and others, and they need to show a value. And

1:43:43so we were we I'm a businessman, I even though an academic, you have to show value received for a value given. And so we looked at and we lost five percent of our members who said they don't want to trade. But we still have 85%, almost 86% of our members that embrace that concept of trading value for value.

1:44:11How do I go backwards?

1:44:14А сейчас пловает. Well

1:44:19Barbara stole all our thunder. Oh thank you. Um The thing that we were able to do, and I remember it even more intensely than Barbara suggested, an extraordinary amount of time in meetings, negotiations, conversations with them. And I'm here having as president of the board and say that we were We had competent legal counsel against their competent legal counsel, people

1:44:49looking at, and I probably in my career have done somewhere around 50,000 acres of conservation easement. This was an exhausting process and it's a good agreement. To reunite development right with the Gulf land today, it would take take a number of associations to agree. And so far I don't think we've agreed on anything. But in this case, this agreement is enforceable and enduring. If

1:45:19golf should cease to exist to be a phenomenon that I enjoy in others, it would continue as open space. So that appeases our concerns for wildlife habitat, for natural resources, and I don't think we could have gotten a better deal. We've continued, Barbara and Erin referenced these, we've continued to have conversations. They've improved based on our suggestions and input from others,

1:45:50their map that they've submitted to you with regard to the siting of the new practice facility. And and we've expanded that with additional screening, fencing and other opportunities, specified heights and widths of screening so that our members and those that come to the resort have viewsheds that can still be valued, can still be enjoyed.

1:46:21The c the codicil that they have provided also starts for uh gives us some of what we wanted and that's who blinks first. And so they've said, they've agreed. To build completely the new practice facility before they begin any disruption of the old one. They've agreed that they would update their owned units within the resort before asking resort other owners to update and re. And so there are timelines being

1:46:51agreed to there, and I think that was why. Last Wednesday on March 30th, my board, which is a five-member board but only four voted, unanimously agreed to exercise what we think were our fiduciary rights and our governance rights, and unanimously endorsed the idea that this conservation easement should be signed and accepted, and that In exchange

1:47:22for that, we support the agreement or the request that's before you. So I stand here as president of the association asking as president for my board and for my community that you uh support and approve this request. Thank you. I have three minutes and fifty-four seconds if any of you have questions.

1:47:48I wanna ask you a question. Yes, sir. You did the survey back on March third. Recently I heard there was some proposals done as far as what they're gonna do with the configuration of the golf course. Have you seen that?

1:47:59Yes, I participated. I I have done work in all fairness in the past with some of Reese Jones. We've hired, they have hired Troon Golf. I have probably twenty former students in that organization. What they're proposing is In my professional opinion, not as president of the board, my professional opinion as an agronomist in s golf and sports turf management, state of the art, the practice facility will be amongst the finest. In

1:48:30Florida, if not the nation. The routing plan is still coming together, but I think it will represent a phenomenal resource for a resort, and you will have a wonderful opportunity to play eighteen, twenty-seven, or thirty-six holes a day, or if you're foolish enough to do as I did Friday, play forty-five. What moves out of there?

1:48:55Forty five, you're an animal.

1:48:57Well the last nine Mr. Chairman were a was a scramble so it doesn't really come.

1:49:02Um so one of the things he talked about with the driving range, the location. And they said it was a long drive to go there. But when you saw the overall layout for the other holes, distance from two to three green was ninety seconds, seven to three green is fifty seconds, third green to forty, fourth T is forty five seconds, eighth green to nine is eighty seconds. What'd you think about all the driving it was gonna take to get from hole to hole? I think you're

1:49:28talking apples and oranges in sense of passage. As I drive out to the practice facility, I'm being passed by cars, trucks, and other things. As I move from one hole to another on the golf course, I'm looking at wetlands, rookeries, turf, and so the risks to me in my cart of somebody not paying attention. Mm-hmm. uh entirely different. So I don't I'm not troubled at all. My home course we

1:49:58have as you go from nine to ten, it's about a two-minute drive. That's the configuration of the land.

1:50:07But as far as the drive from from T to T, think about when you're gonna run a tournament out there. And you're gonna have O hundred and forty four players gonna play eighteen holes of golf. And you've gotta go to the new setup. Do you think it might be confusing with people or even just regular guests to go from one spot to the other?

1:50:24Signage is required, of course, if you're running a tournament, particularly if it's shotgun, you deploy people to 18 different holes, you tell them where they go next, and they route through. I I don't see any confusion anymore than a standard 18-hole track where you go from A to B to C.

1:50:46Okay. Um now I gotta straighten one thing out. Arnold Power was a great golfer.

1:50:52Absolutely.

1:50:54Do you remember n th hearing about him in nineteen sixty playing Cherry Hills?

1:50:59I was uh a young lad then. I don't think we had a television yet.

1:51:04Okay. I always I always remember the story about Arnold Palmer. He was at Cherry Hills, they had just played Play 36 holes the last day at that point in time. And it was in the middle of a break Getting ready to go play the the last. He's seven po seven shots behind. And it gets fired up with some conversation with a one of their writers saying you got no chance. The hole was three hundred and forty six yards long. He gets up and he drives the green. Shoots

1:51:34sixty five, wins the tournament. They say that swing made him the king of golf. Now, you stated that he could only hit the ball two hundred and forty, two hundred and fifty fifty yards.

1:51:46On average. That may be on average.

1:51:51Anyway, so I'm gonna I'm gonna do I'm gonna I'm not gonna get deeper with that but just that you just gotta lost that

1:51:57be happy to host you for a driving competition. I invite you to look at the statistics from last week's tournament. DeChambeau in the last L I V tournament averaged something like 380 yards. Granted, he's an aberration from even the average PGA tour. It's changed.

1:52:19So currently Royal McElroy has a three hundred and twenty yard average drive. They have a try. That's what I think.

1:52:28And depending on conditions, whatever. But again, his average was that. Anyway. I'm done. Anyway, any other questions?

1:52:35I'll I'll just drag on my sons. Um who just came in second, darn it, at concession, his one of his local clubs, uh, for the championship. Um, he drives three twenty five and my other son drives averages three thirty.

1:52:51Sure. Yeah. I applaud them. That's called youth and flexibility.

1:52:56Well my older son's 40, but he did he did lose the championship to a uh Auburn um uh a young man who's going to Auburn on a full golf scholarship.

1:53:05Yeah. Okay. Well my parallel story to that, Commissioner, would be yesterday I hit possibly my most magnificent drive. Um uh ever on Palmer Five. And then my five foot tall wife drove it twenty yards past me.

1:53:25Okay. Thank you very much, Dr. Sullivan.

1:53:27Okay, thank you.

1:53:28I like to say I can throw my club further than I can hit my ball.

1:53:36Come forward.

1:53:47Yeah, Jane, name it drops for the record.

1:53:55Good afternoon Commissioner my name is Jane Graham and I represent the Save Saddlebrook Coalition.

1:54:00Um ma'am, I did ask you last time to send us the list of your members. Did we ever receive that?

1:54:06Oh yeah, you know, um Mr. Barbetta can speak more about that during his time if you'd like.

1:54:13So to be clear, Ms. Graham has also been offered or allocated fifteen minutes to speak on behalf of the CFR Coalition. Yeah, but just let me.

1:54:22Well I've I've met more than five of the people that she represents, so she's entitled to fifty.

1:54:28No, I know

1:54:29she does. I'm just saying,

1:54:30but but to be clear, Ms. Graham, who's be who's using your fifteen minutes? You and who else?

1:54:35Oh, um, so it's myself and Mr Barbetta.

1:54:39Okay, so just make sure whoever's keeping track of time, that's the two people that get the fifteen minutes. Whoever's tr I don't know who's keeping track of that. Combined or thank you.

1:54:51Thank you. Okay. Um good afternoon, Commissioners. My name is Jane Graham. I represent the Saddlebrook Coalition. Eight weeks ago, the commission voted to continue this item so Mast could speak with the community and find solutions and more specificity in their plan. The coalition has appreciated the opportunity to sit down with Mast and we've actually met with them almost weekly, negotiating in good faith, and we've made some progress. We're not there quite yet, and I'll explain a little bit more later. But

1:55:22first, I want to talk to you about what are you actually voting on today? and its context in the big picture. This is a future land use map change and a sub-area policy on 549 acres on a property internationally recognized as a sports destination. You're deciding the future of how Saddlebrook develops. How many units, what are they used for and where? And do you need another 465 apartments concentrated on land in a well-established

1:55:52resort already used for recreation for over 35 years? Mask will tell you that these details are left for the MPUD. And that today is not the main event. But I want you to know that your decision today does not just impact MAST, it actually impacts MAST successors and their successor successors. This is the long-term plan that determines how Saddleburg develops or diminishes. This is, as a future land use plan, a legislative

1:56:23decision, and you will never have more decisions. more discretion than today to determine how saddle brook should grow.

1:56:32So we did make progress, but I'm going to be honest. We have a continuing outstanding item with mast, which is area one. It's the density and the type of product. And um, you know, we had a number of conversations with them and we did find ourselves at an impasse. And Mast hasn't budged on reducing the density, no change in product, no change in the number of units. They did add an additional note that's saying that density could transfer from area one to two,

1:57:02but there's no specificity in the reduction.

1:57:07So why uh and so we did discuss we discussed some different solutions as well, such as luxury townhomes and a hotel, a midtown type, more green space. Mast wasn't interested in in these. They they had a reason why it wouldn't work. Um, so why is the coalition so concerned about area one? Well first If you look at the history of the Seidelberg Resort, even dating from 1979, the central feature is the core area where the

1:57:38resort is and and the focus of it. It's supposed to be the focus of all site activity. nineteen eighty six again it it said, you know, the core area. That's the focus. Now you've heard a lot about this motto realm, this mixed use trip reduction measures to concentrate development and it sounds really good except there already is a mixed use area and it's in the core and what area one does is actually create a new one. And so this is not something that Saddlebrook

1:58:08has really contemplated before in its history and it and it's splitting the type of use. It should be concentrated in the core.

1:58:18These are more documents. Another issue is the density is out of scale with the surrounding land uses. This is the future land use map, and it shows that this is, you know, technically on the map, and we'll talk about this in a second, residential six, but it's surrounded by residential one, residential three. There's a little planned development, which are townhomes, and some other commercial. But if you look at it, they're asking for 500 residential units on 35 acres, which is

1:58:48over 14 units per acre. And if you're looking at that as a residential type of use that would be residential 24. And it's more than double residential six. And actually more than seven times what the density was allowed in the original approval in 1986, which was 1.79 units per acre. Another point I want to clarify, and this is really important because it goes to what you're even looking at, is that the applicant claims that the purpose

1:59:19of this future land use map amendment is to clean up the designation so that it's residential six but non-residential uses are limited. That's not actually accurate because if you look at the timing of it, in the Comp Plan administration. Element, it explains that when the comprehensive plan was actually adopted in 1991, it did supersede conflicting zoning actions, except plans that had project or phases with vested

1:59:49rights, as provided under that section of the Florida statutes, which is for developments that commenced and continued in good faith. So there's an information and as you all know, I mean the MPUD development started in nineteen well originally back in nineteen seventy-nine it started in eighty six and it was developing since then. Um, so it's our our position that actually, you know, this is the nineteen eighty-six approvals. Residential six doesn't even apply. We're we're under this kind of shadow

2:00:19land where we're still under the MPUD. So the change to the PD land use also conflicts with the land use designations and tents. It's supposed to encourage flexible and creative site design, recreation, but it doesn't do that. It actually does the opposite of that. This is the land use map cover on Pasco GIS. It shows recreational and a variety of environmental areas. That's the close up. On the right. If you compare it side by

2:00:49side, that's all green space and maintenance versus the proposed, which is just very much paved over, and that whole area on the eastern side is townhomes. That was supposed to be back in 1997, it was noted that that was supposed to be for land. Landscaping and part of the entrance room.

2:01:18There are numerous inconsistencies with a comprehensive plan as well. I'm not going to go into detail now. I know that you've heard it at the previous meetings. Um the compatibility is really a significant issue, as is the on-site traffic flow. And the other thing about comprehensive plan amendments is that they need to be supported by infrastructure, community, public facility and services. Here, you know, they talk about Vision Road H as fixing a problem,

2:01:49but it's actually fixing a problem that it's created due to the density. And if they didn't have all the density in Area One, they wouldn't necessarily need to do that. Yeah. Um I I want to be mindful of time so I'm gonna finish up, but something else just to look at, moving away from area one. If you talk about the commitment to expedite resort renovation, we we really do appreciate having conversations with Barbara. I think that, you know, we've built a good relationship. The language that they presented is not where it needs to be yet on

2:02:19this because it's prior to first final building inspection, the renovation of the condo, tell units, and other parts of the resort can commence. And you know that can take years away to have a first final building inspection. I mean that that's you know not assured path to revitalize the resort. There's no security there as far as linkage. There are a number of various procedural inadequacies. Barbara actually mentioned, you know, we do have a hang up about the fact

2:02:49that there's a PD sub-area plan and not concept plan. I'm not gonna bore you with these details. It's kind of some of that as legal stuff that we can get into. I don't want to get into with you too much. But what you should know is that we were very disappointed in the sub-area plan that for the notes, you know, we We had said that we wanted to have consistency as far as the restrictive covenant and we did make some good headway. But one of the things that was not our intention was to take out the 27 holes. And so I think that that, you know, that

2:03:19might have been a miscommunication somewhere along the ways, but you know, that certainly was not the intention. Um, the big picture ultimately, you're being asked to make a future land use map change today that is an it's a dramatic change to the resort, and it's not really look it's it's not to revitalize what's already there or complement the resort as an amenity or even make the golf course better. You'll hear more about that from others too. Um it's a sprawling residential development

2:03:49at its periphery that seems to At least conflict with Saddlebrook's goals and characters. So what are we doing? I just want to make it very clear: the official position of the Saddlebrook Safe Saddlebrook Coalition, we are not requesting a denial. That is not what we're doing. We've appreciated the opportunity to work with Mast. What we're asking you to do is help us find a solution that reduces density, reduces sprawl, has commitment to the quality of the product and luxury and

2:04:19most importantly charts a course towards the revitalization of the Saddlebrook Resort. Thank you very much. And now I'd like to pass it to Larry. Oh, and actually I'm sorry. Um I do have some documents that have the history of some of the Saddlebrook um approvals and I'd like to put that into the record.

2:04:40Are are we gonna are you giving us something to receive? Yeah. Move to receive and file. Second.

2:04:45All in favor say aye. Aye. Aye. Any opposed? Thank you.

2:04:56This is the remaining time.

2:05:00Does anybody know how much time he has remaining?

2:05:06Approximately five and a half minutes remaining.

2:05:13Okay, great. Well I'll move it to the quick step then. Um My name is Lawrence Barbetta. I live at [address removed]. And also have a property at [address removed]. And I am one of the founding members of the Safe Saddleburgh Coalition. Sure.

2:05:33Sir, could you speak up just a tad more or get the mic a little closer?

2:05:37Certainly. I'll do my best. Is th is this okay?

2:05:40Okay.

2:05:42Great. So I'm gonna try to focus on the new, not the old.

2:05:46What?

2:05:51So first off what I would do is like to thank everyone on the Commission for giving us some time and opportunity to work through these very important and critical decisions for our community. I feel we've made a lot with that effort. Um with the time we've given. been given. So what we've done is we've engaged in a wide range of community meetings, both in person and Zoom. We've been having those approximately every other week with inside the Saddleburgh Resort. Um what we've tried to do is honestly build some of the bridges um that

2:06:22was caused through the divisiveness of this whole process. And I think it's brought us closer together. We've had opportunities to have open communication and dialogue and become more aligned as a community. Also is understanding the needs of the community. We engage specialists to design and conduct survey research of the whole community. base to get a true sense of importance and priorities regarding the development plans. We have details on that. I do not have time to go through all of that, but we would be happy to email, share all of the

2:06:52details of of our survey. Okay? Um, we've also worked with um Mr. Sullivan and also his colleagues uh and and co-board members of the Resort Condo HOA board, as well as other members of the community that candidly weren't aligned with the position of the of the coalition to try to again build understanding priorities. And actually we find many more things in interest. than things that divide us. We've also had the opportunity to engage

2:07:22in frequent and regular communications with the MAST team. Ms. Wilhite, Aaron, Jordan, et cetera. And and we're appreciative. And we have genuinely been working collaboratively. Even when we don't agree on everything, we're handling it with professionalism, courtesy, and trying to listen to each other's perspective. So we've worked to find common ground. Wherever we can. Now in all of those meetings by the way. I've been involved in all of them, but we involve members from

2:07:53all of our HOA boards that are part of the coalition. Every single meeting is attended by people who would ha own homes in every area of Saddlebrook. So it's not just, you know, a small group. Okay. Our focus areas, as people have discussed, And where we've made the most progress are in the first two areas, as everyone's mentioned. We've we've reached agreement and have much better products now in terms of the the need restriction to protect and preserve golf course views and the

2:08:23golf course itself, as well as the filing agreement that's associated with it. Our priorities were driven by the feedback from our community and from the research that we conducted. Over 96% of our people. that responded to our survey, which I'll speak to, um, felt that This these top two things were either very important or important on a one to five Likert scale, which is obviously incredibly strong. The next thing, and we won't get into all the weeds on this, there's some differences in notes, slight differences of opinion,

2:08:53the binding versus non-binding stuff. Our philosophy is simple. The stuff that really matters we want to have in writing and binding. We're not going to split hairs over it. I think we've made good progress on that. But that's all we're intending to do. We don't want, it's too important a decision to hope. Okay, so we want clarity. Um right now we've made progress on all of those points, I think. I would say green light, green light. yellowish to green light. Um here we start to get into the more yellow to red zone, which is that we still

2:09:23have significant concerns for Area One as it sits today. We hope to work constructively with your assistance, with the applicant, and with the help of the county to bridge that gap. The community has real concerns on the density, traffic, type of product, location, etc. So simply on this one, we're just not there yet. We're not there yet. We need your help. Similarly on the commitments to assure the revitalization of the resort. with appropriate timing and phasing. And this is critical. And this is another area we're not

2:09:54yet there. Okay. You've seen the wording on Um There's good wording here let me just cut to this one.

2:10:04The commitment to keep the driving range operational is obviously good and in everyone's interest. Okay? We're supportive of that. Um, the current commitments on timing and phasing aren't yet acceptable. They're not good enough. The fact that it could technically that doesn't compel the starting of true resort renovations until the near completion of everything in area one and two, which is kind of the opposite. And maybe we're looking at it too simplistically, but why? Why not commit to starting resort renovation? Including the appropriate facilities on Bennies as soon as reasonable. Like

2:10:34now. It you could generate resort business, it's better for the condo owners, it's better for the residents, it's better for mass resort revenues, better for the county. Why would we wait? Why would we wait until we have to connect vision roads? Okay.

2:10:52Okay. So my time is up.

2:10:55Done finish up.

2:10:57Okay. You let give me a few minutes? Thank you. Okay.

2:11:02As long as this is the coalition that we're done with the coalition after this.

2:11:05Ms. Will Hyde went three minutes and twenty seconds over. So if you'd like to keep that number, we can keep it fair there.

2:11:12Okay. Thank you very much. I appreciate that. So we'll keep this one moving. Um in area one the biggest concerns are around not not so much the scope of the commercial. But we would like to find better solutions. Currently there's a giant difference in the density with area one and area two. I'm sure there's good reasons. I'm not a land use person, but I'm telling you as a person in the community, this matters to us. In area two, there's about 20 acres, there's 25,000 square feet of commercial. In area one, 75,000 square feet, three times as much. And it's

2:11:42about, you know, one and well, you can do the math. twenty to thirty five or thirty two buildable. The bigger issues is the residential density, 120 townhomes versus 500 apartments and townhomes. That's a density of 15.625, roughly, for the 32 acres, compared to a density of six. Okay, this one we haven't had the time, we haven't gotten far enough. We've also tried to brainstorm different uses of products and different types of products. Um, I was pleased to see some of the things that Mr. Landry shared today. And again, I'm not being snarky here.

2:12:13We just want to understand more about what the types of products are and what the issues are. We're really concerned about parking sprawl, you know, garden apartment style uses instead of Things that are sensitive to the community and that are really befitting a four to five star resort and a community that we bought in with reasonable expectations. So we need your help to work on this. Okay. This is going to be hard to go through in any short period of time. What I would tell you is the following is we engaged people

2:12:43who have expertise in creating surveys to try to get input. We communicated and sent those out to the Fairway HOA, the Saddlebrook Property Owners Association, SPOA as we call it, and to the coalition list. It was not passed on to the condo board. We're not saying anything negative. We're pleased they're doing research too. That's wonderful. We're you know, more data's good. We're we love data. Okay? So We have put it out. I would tell you that anything I say about our survey It

2:13:13has, it does not have sufficient sample size and response to in any way say what the HOA condo HOA members want. We're not going to pretend to do that. Although 59, there's 59 unit owners, excuse me, in that area that did respond to the survey. We had people respond to the survey that own a total of 204 homes, condos, and condotels in total, and 1500. Homes within SPOA. So we had over 50% of the property owners. Actually, it's 55%. Um

2:13:44Okay. So that is a very good response too. I won't show you no what this is is what Michael showed you too, Sullivan. The green is the um condo POA as we call it here, and the others are the residential property owners associations. Okay. The biggest thing, I'll go through this and we could talk about the questions. The biggest thing is, again, we talked about the preserving golf. There was over 90% of the people feel there needs to be a significant investment in the resort, and 76.7% of

2:14:14the people felt that it was either very important or important that there'd be resort improvements done before we did the state road 54 development. Yeah. I just go back. So where from here? Where are we now? We thank you for giving us the extra time to work with Mast. It's made a positive difference. We thank Mast and the representatives for the time they've put forth. We also want to thank the community. for all of their efforts. We want to thank the members of the Resort HOA board and

2:14:45even people who are neighbors where we didn't see eye to eye on everything. We're trying to come together, but we need your help. We need better solutions. To assure there's a commitment to save the resort. After all, this is about renovating and revitalizing the Saddlebrook Resort. That needs to be priority one, in my opinion. And I think with a strong resort, We have a strong community, we have strong business, which is good for you, and we should have a win-win-win for the property owners, for Mass Capital, and for Pasco. And we respectfully ask you

2:15:16to assist the residents by addressing these key unresolved issues. Thank you very much.

2:15:21Okay. Does the boy want to take a break or just keep going? Go. Uh who's next in public comment?

2:15:27Uh Abraham Stewart.

2:15:29And we're gonna line up three to time if you don't mind. She's gonna call three names out and you'll get three minutes to speak.

2:15:34To be to be clear, Mr. Chair, nobody else has requested additional time, so any other additional speakers need to be three

2:15:40minutes each. Right. So if we She's gonna call out three names to have the next two people line up.

2:15:46Pat Hogan, Tom oh nope, not Tom, Jeff. What? Elliot. Elliot.

2:15:57Please remember to state your name for the record.

2:16:01Yes. Uh my name is Abe Stewart. My wife Amanda Stewart would have loved to have been here, but she's working up in Tallahassee procession right now. Uh this uh discuss this discussion concerns area one. Uh Amanda and I have been Pasco County residents for nearly our entire lives, growing up in West Pasco and East Pasco County. We both attended Pasco County schools from kindergarten through high school. We got married in Pasco County and we are now raising a family here. Both of our children are now Pasco County students. We both own small businesses in the county. We are proud to live here, so

2:16:31proud in fact that we purchased two pieces of adjacent property in Brookside to build our dream home. We brought the property at [address removed] into the summer of 2020. It is the only residential property that backs up to the Saddlebrook Area 1 development. in the Brookside neighborhood. And just a month or so ago we had our plans and permitted approved for construction. This past week uh we broke ground. Uh you can imagine how excited we are. Um It

2:17:02recently came to our attention that part of Mass Plan is to build townhomes directly behind our property, which is near the northeast entrance of Saddlebrook. As you can see from aerial survey, that entrance is currently heavily wooded and is a huge part of the reason that we chose this property in Area One. Uh our land comes with its own set of complications for construction that we've been working on for the last two years. With County, Swift Mud, and DEP all having jurisdiction, it's caused some delays and some fraystation, some

2:17:32creativity. We keep going back to the beauty of the property and the fact that w we have no rear neighbors currently. But uh from the plots you could see that Saddlebrook at one point in time did have two plots directly behind our house. Now there's a proposed 35 townhomes that will be built directly behind our house. Uh you can imagine our surprise when we saw the plans to build these homes. Uh and the town homes go almost the entire length of our property from north to south. We're all for progress and development, as I mentioned. We're

2:18:02both business owners and we are excited when other businesses are drawn to Pasco. But under the current plans, our residential property is the only property in the entire neighborhood to be impacted by the proposed plan. We are aware of that these townhomes are designated as uh we are unaware if these townhomes are to be designated as rentals or private homes. We're worried about access into our property, being that the setbacks for the townhomes is only 15 feet and it leaves all of our backyards adjoining to the townhome backyards.

2:18:33I'd like to mention that uh Mass Capital has been quick to communicate and generous with their time. They offered to work with us on a landscaping buffer between the townhouses and our property and we appreciate that offer. Uh it's just a big disappointment to have spent all this time and effort and money uh on our property to be told that We will have new neighbors 15 feet away. Uh there's also a noise and security concern with a possible commercial plaza with hundreds of people directly behind our house. I'm just here to implore you to reconsider the townhouses

2:19:03plan directly behind our property. Our fight is not against the townhouses townhouses in particular. It's just building them behind our property and perhaps they could be moved to a commercial area instead. And thank you. Thank you.

2:19:32My name is Pat Hoban. I live at [address removed] in Wesley Chapel inside Saddlebrook.

2:19:39And

2:19:39you have been sworn? Oh, I'm sorry. I I

2:19:41have

2:19:41been sworn in. Thank you. I'm on the board of directors of Fairway Association and also a member of the Safe Saddlebrook Coalition. I'm here today to talk to you about the domino effect of departments being proposed in Area One and the impact. That has on golfing in Saddlebrook. Mass is asking for support for the property development in Area 1. In return, they're offering to relocate the driving range. That's where the domino effect starts. The location they've selected for the new driving range destroys the two golf courses there. Their solution,

2:20:12three nine whole courses. That's their solution. So far, we

2:20:16have

2:20:16not been able to reach a compromise or an alternative in Area One that would take up less land and perhaps preserve some of the property out front to maybe entertain a smaller driving range. They've hired Reese Jones to design the new driving range and and then excuse and the three nine-hole courses. This past week, Rhys Jones. Made a presentation to the resort members, not the full settlement community, so there's probably people here that have not seen those plants. Reese

2:20:46Jones did the best they could with what they had to work with, but anybody who's a golfer, and when you redesign a course that's already there, we're left with what we were presented, which is large distances between a lot of the holes. Also, one other note that they had was is that right now it takes four minutes to get to the existing driving range. Um it will take ninety seconds to get to the new driving range and added two and a half minutes. That time is more than chewed up by the holes between the nine between some of the holes in in one of the

2:21:16nines, as Commissioner Mariano mentioned earlier. There's also safety concerns. Fairway drive the main road and fairway village has crossed six times. versus once with the existing layout. This is not only unsafe, it's a lot of car traffic on our roads. Add that to the walkers, runners, cyclist, cars, resident golf courses, and dog walkers. It's certainly not a safe plant.

2:21:43One of the proposals for the other nine holes is to use the Saddlebrook course. That update would make you pause because they're using one of the existing nines already, and if you think maybe if they just re did a little compromise in Area One, we might be able to update all the holes, save two save two of the eighteenth, say the two of eighteen hole courses, and the golf experience would be much better. Sadly, that hasn't been able to be done, and so we're only left with solutions that have outlined. So when the dominoes

2:22:13all fall, here's what we're left with: three nines, extended construction time, three to four years, reduced tea time, safety issues on a road, on our roads, not the golf experience you would expect at a world-class resort, nor a fitting legacy for golf at Saddleburgh. Thanks.

2:22:29Thank you.

2:22:33The next three will be Alison Rudder, Nancy Foster, and Colin Burns.

2:22:39I have been sworn. My name is Jeff Lelliott, spelled L-E-L-L-I-O-T-T. And I live at [address removed]. I live uh I also own a resort condo hotel. I've owned property in Saddlebrook since 1995, and I've been a member of the resort continuously. For nearly 30 years. I've been a full-time resident of Saddlebrook since 2013. My

2:23:10son attended the Saddlebrook Tennis Academy for three years. So I've been at Saddlebrook for a very long time. I strongly support the Mass Plan. I know there's wrinkles that still need to be worked out. The community at large. Has wanted the dealing of the golf course. I think in all of this, all of this, anything that threatens that. Should be ignored. Because the community at

2:23:40large, you've seen these surveys ninety percent or more. We'll never come to a any solution uh as a community on Area One. I mean I I don't consider Area One any part of Sabbath Rock any longer. I know other people don't want any development. That's the community. So that's all I'll say is non-transmittal here means an end to really what I consider salvages.

2:24:10Thank you.

2:24:18Hello, my name is Alison Rutter, R U T T E R. I was sworn in. I live at [address removed], which happens to be part of Fairway Village. I've lived there with my husband since 2005. We're not only residents, but we are members of Saddlebrook Resort, which means we pay to use that golf course and the tennis courts and all the other amenities, which have been in decline for for quite a few years. So we are personally thrilled that Mast has come in and purchased Sava Brook

2:24:49and will hopefully re return it to its glory. And we were invited to come to the members only presentation of that new golf course and we were stunned with the quality of their plans and their investment in those 27 holes. So we really do hope that you move forward with this so that um not to make a joke, but that some of the poor people who were attending will be able to still be alive to see it and play on those new horses. So thank you.

2:25:22Uh uh Commissioner, excuse me. How many people do we have signed up? Twenty-five. So um I'm gonna stop for a point of order and ask a question. Excuse me for one second. Sure. So we had a discussion about our board policy this morning. And our and we talked about this at the last meeting and Especially since a couple of the commissioners have to leave at five o'clock. We um our board policy states that I don't know where it is in here, that um if we're giving extra

2:25:52time to a a group that that's the time for that group. So, um but I'm seeing I've seen now two members of the group that was given the time to speak for the group coming up. So I would ask the board here, I know we lost one commissioner for a second. Um the intent of what we did was to, I mean, we had we had the words from this organization. Are we gonna let

2:26:2220 20 more come up? And I'll be gone for the vote. And I Seth, I know you mentioned you have to be careful. So I think we need to be very careful here because I hate I hate for Mass to have to come back again but We gave extra time excuse me. We gave extra time to this group already. If we're gonna give e time to the group Extra time for the group, plus let every member of the group speak, then I'm gonna go over here and say every member of

2:26:53that group can speak as well. Because we only we limited that group to 15 minutes. So I think that we need to not have any more from either the HOA that member that spoke up for fifteen minutes to be fair to both sides, both groups that gave extra time to, and the save Saddlebrook group. Because that's the in that's why we gave them fifteen minutes. Right?

2:27:24You had you

2:27:24had two

2:27:25opposing

2:27:26versus. The problem you have with that is that we have no way of knowing whether the folks that are getting up now were adequately represented by those prior speakers. For all we know, they may disagree with the speaker. They may be a a member of the condo association but not agree with what that speaker said. So We have no way of knowing whether those these individuals that are coming up now were adequately represented by the prior speakers.

2:27:51Then why then we should never give a group extra time? Because what what is the per what what have we solved? What problem have we solved?

2:28:01The purpose of the

2:28:03right-of-way. So the bo we talked about public comment, we talked about groups, we wanted to get fair, uh and I think with all Saddlebrook had gone through from the last meeting, a lot of time was given, but was all granted and known and and went through it. Uh we talked later on about doing public comment again today. And and I'm gonna say that These people here are being affected dramatically. We've got other hearings coming up right behind it as well. Every person that's here is entitled to three minutes. You can allow a group

2:28:33to speak But it doesn't mean he's gonna speak for that person. Even if it's eighty five percent, there's still that fifteen percent that would want a voice. And I think they're entitled to head that voice. If it doesn't meet with your calendar, I'm sorry. These people here are entitled to hear Everything going on in the titles, everything else.

2:28:53Stop please. Commissioner Oakley. We don't know like you say whether they Or behind the person that spoke for a group? 'Cause that could only be five people, whatever. So the fact of it is They're part of our citizens and our they deserve the right to speak. And I'll sit here until we get in. But some members go, but if if more than two members leave here Before we're able to vote then We will not have a vote

2:29:23today whatsoever. So The fact of it is is they have the the opportunity to speak and they're allowed that opportunity to speak and that's what we should let them do.

2:29:34Might might we suggest

2:29:36I'm not I didn't call on you. County Attorney would you respond to that as far as can you vote if there's three people here?

2:29:47That's true. So three could. Okay. Commissioner Starkey.

2:29:50Yeah. So um So can we try some of the Um ways that we talked about this morning. Um, and that is to because I want to make sure everyone has the ability to. have their opinion represented as well. Um But um is and that is We can say if you're in support of the opinion of I can't remember her name. The

2:30:20woman from the coalition.

2:30:22Jean Graham.

2:30:23You can say I stand in support of the coalition. Um and if you're in if you want to speak in favor of or or voice a feeling in favor of the other gentlemen or in support of the effect of effects of mass capital, then you can say uh I'm in support of that and Instead of hearing. We at twenty five people signed up at three minutes each.

2:30:53That's an hour and what? I'm going to call a point of order at this moment. So we're going

2:30:59to

2:30:59be two hours into this discussion before we get to anything else.

2:31:02So I'm going to I'm going to I'm going to call w w it's not right for us to change what public public comment is

2:31:06in this

2:31:07forum or not.

2:31:08I'm just saying that the people can exercise that opportunity if

2:31:11they'll I'll make a request to have them just keep it as short as they can, but I don't want to keep anybody curtailing to yes or nays. I want the stuff to do. So we're going to continue with public comment folks if you can stick to your points, make your points, we're gonna carry on, but everybody's gonna can get a chance to hurt. Thank you.

2:31:27I tried last time, Jack. I know. Okay. Nancy Foster, [address removed]. I've been sworn in West L Chattle. I'm a teacher, so I took my day off, but I gave the students a party, okay, so but I'm here. All right. I lived at Saddlebrook 23 years, but I've been in Pasco since 1983, living in different areas. I'm president of SPOA. Uh Marbor joined the coalition in January on the 24th. Saddlebrook to me is

2:31:57like an oasis to all our residents and those who live in Pasco. I brought my map in again for you so that you could see. Hold on, let me get this on. So you can see that the reason I'm here, one of the reasons is that this is where I live and then this is where the new gate will be and you see how close I am to all the development here. So I wanted you to get a chance to look at that. And let me move forward. And then again, I showed you my cousin before and

2:32:27how close I am to where they're going to be developing. And then I moved here and I wanted to show you that when you have buildings up, that's my view. And that is everyone's view in Saddlebrook when they come in and when they go out. So it's not my personal view. That's the last thing they see as they leave. And then I want to show you how close the gatehouse will be to me. So as a result, I want you to think about the 465 apartments and I believe the 35 townhouses and retail. That's less of an oasis

2:32:58for us. I want you to think about the continual abundance of traffic at all hours. Less OASIS for us. Our five associations share expenses to upkeep the main roads which are Saddlebrook Way and Foxhound Drive. More expenses to upkeep, maybe. Mass plan for the gatehouse to move it to where it is, is closer to my house, and to also Villa de Este which is across the street from me, which is even closer. So that means more noise coming

2:33:28our way.

2:33:31Why is this Pasco County Gym, Saddlebrook, our county's oasis and a developed neighborhood since 1974 being torn apart at its seams? Mast has not budged an inch on the number of type of units in their plan. Less Oasis for us. Why do the residents and the county have to give up their oasis, the peacefulness and quality of our neighborhood? I had here also we want to preserve our Saddle Book

2:34:02for generations to come. And I also wanted to quote that the policy FLU 1101 compatibility requires consideration of existing development patterns, transitions between land uses, and consideration of environmental and community character, and also we have policy FLU 1103. Yeah. I also want to just review here, we have a serene entrance, manageable traffic flow, can only hear the ping of the golf ball of the club, which I love to hear,

2:34:32listening to the sounds of nature, limiting lit area at night, very quietly evening, and now this is what it'll be, busy entrance, abundance of traffic flow, can only hear traffic noise, delivery trucks noise. from residents and visitors, can hear the sound of nature outside, well lit area, and no more quiet evenings do Excuse me, due to the restaurants open until midnight to one AM. Thank you very much.

2:34:59Have a

2:34:59good day.

2:35:01Thank you.

2:35:05So after Colin Burns, we'll have Angela Weiss, Gary Lynn, and Keith Swoke. Yeah.

2:35:17I have been sworn. My name is Colin Burns. I live at [address removed] in Wesley Chapel, which is part of Sowbrook. Thank you, Commissioner, Chairman Mariano, Counselors for allowing me to speak. I could come up here and I could quote the staff report from Bureau Chief of Pasco County Sheriff stating there's 64 67 counties in staffing, but I'll make a motion to myself to uh move on on for the sake of speed. Many people have said, including some of the commissioners seated here,

2:35:47that Saddlebrook is a unique situation. Uh given that Saddlebrook is an established community with a wonderful history and not an open law. We've heard many times that the detail will come in later stages. It does not need to be included in the plan now and so on and so forth. But let's go back to one sentence that I just spoke to you, that Saddlebrook is a unique situation. The plan for Saddlebrook as it stands now does not

2:36:17make sense. We're just not there yet. Again, Saddlebrook is this very, very unique situation. Right now the maintenance structures are safely away from the communic community located in Area One. If they remove the Grand Pavilion, the result is chemicals, fuels, fertilizers, machinery, and other hazardous materials deposited within a large concentration of people. Now picture this

2:36:47in your mind. Saddlebrook as a hotel. restaurants, bar, convention center, fitness facility, spa, pool, And now a proposed maintenance facility in its core. In my business, we call these target hazards.

2:37:09The front area now goes under construction. There is one entrance an exit to Saddlebrook. And I understand calm. There's a vision of it. I have a lot of visions. My son's gonna clean his room. The laundry's gonna put itself away. There are visions for a reason.

2:37:32There's an accident now in Saddlebrook Web, a breakdown of a vehicle. We're gonna do construction. We're using construction vehicles. Call it what you want. There's now no access. I could sit here and tell you stories.

2:37:49about my experiences with not being able to access a location, resulting in the house burning down, resulting in me to go in to see the family when the person's already suffered a cardiac arrest. Target hazard, the definition: a hazard that poses an extraordinary risk to human life, property preservation, and environmental conservation. Area one creates a domino effect that puts the safety of the community, guests, and

2:38:19visitors at risk. We do a lot of things to avoid risk. We change our smoke batteries and our Smoke detectors, we get ready for hurricanes, we try not to pet alligators. The question I pose to you is why would we subject this community and its guests and visitors to a greater level of risk with this current plan? We're just not there yet. I think they've done wonderful things. I just think we need to look at it a little bit deeper because of this unique situation. Thank you.

2:38:50Folks as you come up as the red light goes, try to wrap up becomes as quick as you can. Thank you.

2:38:56Yeah.

2:39:02Hi, my name is Angela Weiss. I have been sworn in. I live on [address removed], Wesley Chapel. I'm not clear what the vision is for Pasco County on our side. We have so many apartments and townhomes as is I feel like this is detrimental to add the number that's projected. Um I think we have so many and I don't know why we would need just a just a few more. Just a few hundred more in our little corridor fifty four. um having all these

2:39:33are areas gonna be disturbed Um And I one more question. Would you like this in your neighborhood? You've been living in this little tiny pocket of fifty four. And and these other houses are coming up and there's plenty of places for people to live. I I wish Wesley Chapel like a tampa. I wish we'd stay suburban. That's it.

2:40:09Hello, my name is Gay Lynn Davison, D A V I S O N. I was sworn in. Um my husband and I Your your

2:40:17address please?

2:40:17Pardon me?

2:40:18Your address please?

2:40:19Five one I was getting to that. [address removed]. in Wesley Chapel in Saddlebrook. We moved here seven years ago from Pennsylvania. Um I have been coming here for over 20 years. I have family and friends that live in Saddlebrook, so I knew the area very well. Um unfortunately there have been years of neglect and the entire resort is a gra in a grave state of re disrepair. The multi-million dollar investment that Mast has started in the resort is showing great improvements already, from new

2:40:49roofs to landscaping all refreshed, and freshly painted signs, etc. The most important concern that I've heard from neighbors and from myself is preserving the golf course space. I am in complete support of the restricted covenant agreed to by Mast to protect our golf courses indefinitely. It's a big deal that Mast offered that. Big companies don't necessarily do things like that. to

2:41:21cut it short uh and save some time. Um I do not I do not see that um area one um as big a problem as other people do. Um and I am in support of Mass Capital's proposal with continued uh discussion and compromises on both both sides. Thank you.

2:41:48After Keith we'll have Andrew Pines, Julie Pines, and Valerie Cunningham. Can I submit this

2:41:56yes?

2:41:57We have a motion? We have a motion to receive and file.

2:42:01Move to receive and file.

2:42:03Second. All in favor say aye.

2:42:05Aye. Aye. Aye. Hi my name is Keith Swope. I live at [address removed]. We bought Saddlebrook in 1982, before there was a resort. And when the resort was designed, we were told that you know we this could be fixed up be great. And we figured that it was told it was going to be. It would always be everything would be like it is. Now it's big changes, not as all like we're looking at. But I've what I'm giving you is the land that was resolved last year. It was part of the Central Park Employment Village, Central Pasco,

2:42:35I'm sorry, employment village, that was on Highway 52 between Air Cut Off and Bellamy Road. My family had 500 of the 2,700 acres there. 2,700 acres was approved, it was built and designed by Heightened Associates, and it was approved by everybody. ready to go. We had six hundred apartments on our forty-five acres plus commercial. And when it came to the final thing approved, Well before you guys we said,

2:43:05you know. Forty-five acres. 600 is way too many doors for 45 acres. And now you gotta understand my my People around my neighbors are either 50-acre lot, 50-foot-wide lots, or 40-foot-wide lots, townhouses. in Amazon buildings. I mean Amazon buildings I only think I'm really affected w with my three hundred and uh my six hundred apartments. We were cut in half. 'Cause I said that was just

2:43:35too many. We gotta have three hundred and six three hundred and thirty six. Well what I'm looking at is For forty-five acres. If I can only put three thirty-six on it, and I've got 52 on the front, I've got a four-lane north-south expression on the side of me, an east-west behind me. I've got my people aren't going by anybody to get past my apartments. They've got roads everywhere. We don't. We have one little road in and out. Maybe we'll have a vision road, but that vision road is

2:44:05going to take our light. Now we only have one light. Whether you have a light over here or a light over there, it's not going to matter. We only have one road out. And that's going to be that one road for everybody. I'm just saying four five hundred doors is twice what we need. We'd like to negotiate with them, we've tried our best to negotiate with them. So far we've given up driving range, we've given up a fourth of the golf course, and they've given up

2:44:33Thank you very much.

2:44:45Oh.

2:44:47Hi. Good afternoon. Thank you for the time to speak. Uh my name is Andrew Pines. I live at [address removed] and I have been sworn in. Um I've also been recently appointed to the SPOA Homeowners Association Board. I am one of the condotel unit owners within the resort condo HOA. Um I nor any of the other numerous condo owners that I've spoken with have received any

2:45:17notice.

2:45:20the resort condo H O A board meeting where a vote took place. The only communication that we receive via email uh was the mass was f was the fr from the massed Zoom call for them to present the vague concept photos. Um and for um e earlier this year and an email to fill out the survey. I would fully expect that our board notify and invite others to a board meeting where they vote on something of this magnitude that

2:45:50affects our investments in the resort. I and many other of the uh many other of the other condo owners that I have spoken with are not in agreement with the proposal in its current form. Critical information about the future of the resort is missing. What is what is the timeline of these renovations? What is the scope of work? What is this gonna cost us? What commitments is Mask making to upgrade the resort? It's been over a year and we don't

2:46:21have answers to this yet. I'm asking the county to please help us get the commitments and answers we need to show our resort will be prioritized and revitalized. Um also after Michael Sullivan presented I quickly jotted down some numbers and my calculations There are 642 units. 285 is what he represented as 85%. My calculation that represents 44.4%.

2:46:52When you take into consideration the mass owns 100 units, that could potentially be 34% of the overall representation of condo un condo units. So again, we've been left out. of the conversations, we've been left out of the vote, and they're making overriding decisions on our behalf without including us. Please help us with this. Thank you for your time.

2:47:24Good afternoon, Commissioners. My name is Valerie Cunningham. I reside at [address removed], and I have been sworn in. From the moment my husband and I learned of Mass Capital's revitalation plans, we knew that it would be crucial to be actively involved in shaping and supporting those plans. On February the twenty seventh. two thousand twenty three, we received a call for action from Larry

2:47:54and Barbara Thunberg, who are also residents of Saddlebrouck. And in that call of action, they implored the residents of Fairway Village to let their voices be heard in this manner. And that's the reason of my presence today. It is with the utmost respect that I say I Don't share the same position as the coalition stands. But I do share their fervor. And ensuring that Saddlebrook Has the brightest future

2:48:25possible.

2:48:28So let me be clear. There is an proverb that I try to govern my life by. And it simply states that in all of your getting, get wisdom and get understanding. And so through my extensive research and contemplation I'm confident that Mass Capital possesses the experience, the expertise, the capital and the vision to guide our cherished Saddlebrook

2:48:58community into a brighter future. They have demonstrated their unwavering commitment to improving Saddlebrook in three vital areas. Number one, their multi-million dollar investment. Number two. their proposed restrictive deed covenant that will protect property owners like never before. And finally, they've demonstrated eagerness to collaborate with the residents of Saddleburgh to achieve our common goal of

2:49:28a better community. I stand before you with immense gratitude for mister Dempsey's legacy, as it has given us the privilege to call Saddlebrook our home. Now I implore every one of us in this room to work together to ensure that that legacy lives on. Together we can. Together we will Together we must. Thank you.

2:49:55After Miss Julie Pine speak, Larry Barbetta and Joanne Barbada and then Alan Thunberg. I

2:50:04need to be sworn in.

2:50:06You have?

2:50:09Raise your right hand for me, please.

2:50:11Is there anyone else who hasn't been sworn in? If you'd please rise and raise your right hand, we'll swear anyone else in too. That you're going to speak. Okay.

2:50:21Do you swear or affirm the testimony you're about to give is the truth, so help you God. Thank you. When you speak please state for the record your name and address.

2:50:32Hi, my name is Julie Pines. I live at [address removed] and we own Dakota Hotel also in Saddlebrook Reserve. Um thank you, Commissioners, for your time today. I have a few unanswered questions that I ask you to please consider when making your decisions today. There's much discussion on traffic outside of Saddlebrook, but we need to address the impact to the traffic inside of Saddlebrook. which, as you know, is an already existing established residential community, not a vacant piece of land. By shifting

2:51:03a significant amount of new traffic down Saddlebrook Way, which where we live, it will affect the roads and safety for pedestrians. There are no sidewalks and this is an already semi-risky as people walk down Saddlebrick Way. Parents walking with small kids and strollers, and people who are walking their dogs, and who are already trying to manage their safety with this existing residential traffic. Our street is a relatively quiet street in an established community for residential traffic. Today golf carts and neighbors drive by, and sometimes the Rogue Semitruck, which you'll

2:51:33see on this video, um and delivery band likes to come down and use our road as a shortcut access. And our biggest concern is that with the new golf course that they're talking about building and everything else, they can only go down our road. And there's nowhere to turn around. They got a backup and you'll see on this video The Pepsi truck decided that he'd try to come down our road and backed up into our neighbor's yard and tore it all up. Luckily the guy who was driving it was kind enough to stamp down the grass, but then drove away.

2:52:04So if that is the s slightest concern, our biggest concern is the safety of people walking down the street. With the current plan, maintenance structure relocation would have an impact on safety where people can walk inside the core of the resort area. There'll be non-stop maintenance vehicles and semi-trucks everywhere. This is inconsistent with the comprehensive plan FLU 1410, which states Pasco County shall continue to establish and enforce policies, standards, and regulations which provide safe, convenient on-site

2:52:34traffic flow, considering site access, traffic circulation, and parking for both motorized and non-motorized movement of vehicles and pedestrians. The comprehensive plan also requires that the plan development provide pedestrian circulation as a component of site design. This plan is silent on this topic. Why is this all happening? Because we're gonna have apartments. A whole bunch of apartments in area one. These improvements are supposed to revitalize our resort, but escalating internal traffic issues and safety problems is making it worse,

2:53:05not for the better for the people who live here. We thought and hoped that we would give and take with Mass during negotiations for our established residential community and the people who live, work, and pay taxes here, but it appears to be only take and take. It's either win or lose, with Mass's current proposal and unwillingness to budge. Thank you for your time.

2:53:34Hello. Um I think you mentioned Larry Barbetta, but he already spoke. I'm Joanne Barbetta.

2:53:42Do you have the video or the uh slideshow?

2:53:56Okay. Um I am Joanne Barbetta. I live at [address removed]. I have been sworn in. Um Barbetta spelled B-A-R-B-E-T-T-A. I don't have a problem with apartments, but amendments to the comp plan uh require attention to compatibility and protecting the character of the area. Um compatibility is uh of course very important. I doubt that there was much public opposition to mass

2:54:26development on Bruce B. Downs, although I'm sure many of us miss all those trees. Why didn't anyone complain publicly about that? Probably because it's fairly compatible in that area. Similarly, I didn't hear a big uproar over mass plan for development east of us, although I suppose if they move some of that density you'll hear more. Perhaps the lower density and the different product was more in line with the surrounding neighborhood. You start to see a pattern here. Certain densities and certain housing products

2:54:56are suitable for some locations, but not others. And the residents who live around these properties probably have some sense of that. Mister Landry um brought out or showed a lot of inspiration pictures. Um and I really don't know what the final product is going to look like. It just feels a little late for inspiration. I feel like Um we've been looking at those p kinds of pictures for quite a while. So really all I can do is just kind of look at some of the neighboring apartment buildings and say

2:55:26maybe they'll be similar to that. Here are uh the 260 units at MEVA apartments. They're built on vacant land, right near the hustle and bustle of the outlet mall, and a myriad of restaurants. These apartments are not being tasked with trying to create a sense of arrival for a historic golf and tennis resort desperately trying to redistinguish itself. I don't necessarily look at these things and say, oh, they're ugly and they're not up to I mean, I think they're they're lovely. So

2:55:57I don't know um you know, I think it's a fair comparison. Here are the story apartments. Again, smaller in scale, built on vacant land, in a spot that is carved between two busy roadways. No one would think that this is a suitable product to make a great first impression to a four-star resort or an open and spacious residential area. Perhaps that is why Tom Dempsey imagined only two acres of commercial development out front. Even if he had built that,

2:56:27much of that entryway would have remained intact. I also have a concern about the potential oversaturation of multifamily housing in our area. I put this map together to show how many units have been recently built or will soon be built. Now this information um is incredibly difficult to gather for a layperson, so I hope you forgive me for any mistakes or omissions, but you get the idea. There are already tremendous housing options.

2:56:59I'll close with this. I just don't understand. How something like this is compatible with this. I just don't understand. We need your help. Thank you very much.

2:57:14After Alan Thunberg there'll be uh Greg Rake. And then I have a Russell Galloway and a Betty Galloway.

2:57:23My name is Alan Thunberg. That's T-H-U-N-B-E-R-G. I have been sworn in. I live at [address removed] in Saddlebrook, Bussy Chow. Barbara and I have lived in a single family home in Fairway Village since 2002. Our son Eric graduated from Saddlebrick Prep, where he trained in both golf and tennis. He later played Division I tennis at St. Joseph's University. In 2019, Eric

2:57:54submitted a master's thesis to Georgetown University entitled Repositioning Saddlebrook Resort. His plan differed in detail from the plan before you today. but they are comparable in many ways, including twenty seven holes of golf, a relocated driving range, and development in Area 1. Mast's plan was not a surprise to us. Eric concluded that the resort last made a profit in 2002.

2:58:25That's 20 years of red ink and a whole bunch of deferred maintenance. Saddlebrook's guests couldn't see the red ink, but they could see the deferred maintenance. And Saddlebrook lost a space of satisfied customers. Based on 2018 revenues and 2019 room rental rates, IRIC estimated that 2018 occupancy was less than 23 percent. Saddlebrook is a residential oasis in an area of

2:58:55rapid growth. To sustain this oasis, we need a healthy and profitable resort. We might have preferred a resort management company as the new owner. And we were disappointed when Mass tried to use the consent agenda to secure approval for its plans. That was a rocky start, but since then Mast has collaborated with neighborhood representatives. Mast agreed to a deed restriction to preserve the golf courses and

2:59:25the open spaces. This is a major win for our neighborhoods. Mast has also agreed to linkage between profits from the development of Area One and the active upgrade. Of the resort and has begun to address the density of development in Area One and the resulting increase in traffic. Mass plans to construct a segment of Vision Road H to connect State Road Route 54 with Wiregrass Boulevard and

2:59:55provide a second entrance to Area 1. These are positive steps. Our community needs a revitalized and profitable Saddlebrook Resort, and we urge you to vote yes to save Saddlebrook. If you vote no, it will not be a vote to save Saddlebrook. Thank you.

3:00:21Chair? Commissioners and uh Mr. Goldstein and staff, my name is Greg Greeley, R-I-E-H-L-E. I I have been sworn. My address is [address removed], which is in Fairway Village. Um I've lived in Fairway Village for uh 33 years, uh and as many of you know uh I was uh worked in virtually every executive and management upper management position. At Saddlebrook over all those years. I come before you today, though, as a resident of

3:00:52Fairway Village, and I speak in that capacity alone. But the roles that I played as general manager, executive vice president, general counsel, president of Saddlebrook Sports, I ran Saddlebrook Preparatory School from its initial initiation and for about 11 years and ran both the tennis and golf academy. I know just about Everything can be known about the history and uh the business of Saddam Rock. And so that informs my decision, I hope you'll agree. Um for the first thing I'd like to

3:01:22do is acknowledge uh my fellow residents who have done a really great job of bringing Mass to understand the the legitimate needs of of us as residents, uh what we need and to bring Mass uh to make real commitments uh that are To the benefit of what we deserve to have here. I also want to acknowledge Mass by the same token for responding to those uh those demands and those requests, and I think they met them uh in a very fine fashion. Most especially, and I don't think we heard it yet today,

3:01:52was uh that they took away the development on the southeast portion of the property, which was significant, uh, as well as of course the the the uh Restrictions prohibiting development on the golf course. The other thing that really bothered me about the initial plan of bringing what was really bringing the density up to 54 was because I was concerned about ingress and egress. Those of us who lived so long at Saddlebrook know what it was like before we had our stoplight. Sometimes it takes me as long to get out of Saddlebrook as it would take to get from the

3:02:2254 all the way to Tampa. International Airport and it's been a lot better since then. What concerned me was g getting out of the place primarily. What I now hear today, learn some new things today about uh excess from this uh from 54 uh onto the mood road to go which were most people most people will go left, they'll go west, they'll go south, they won't even go on 54 according to what I'm hearing here today. I realize I don't have as much time as I'd like to have to talk to you about all these things today. I did send you a letter, please uh take a look at that about some

3:02:52of these issues. But I think What Larry Barbeta said, what's most important is to revitalize the resort. And I the idea that we can just expect MAST to wait and not and and uh start to revitalize the resort before they do the the the project on Area One, I think is is is folly because a business needs to know that they're going to be able to generate the revenue. From my point of view, If they know they're going to generate the revenue, they're going to make the investments in the resort and they're going to do it fast. And that's

3:03:23what I want to see. I don't want to see any further delay with this because we've already missed a growing season. We're going to miss another growing season. It's going to put the whole project of redoing the golf courses farther back. It's going to slow the revitalization of the resort. So I encourage you to please move this forward as soon as possible. Yeah, any questions I'll be happy to answer them.

3:03:42Public comment.

3:03:43Thank you.

3:03:50We have a speaker with um no name. It's [address removed]. There's not a name if that individual is here.

3:04:00And then I still have a Greg Reich.

3:04:08Can you ask the other any other speakers to line up and just for the sake of time?

3:04:13After Greg I have Russell Galloway, Betty Galloway, Berta Uh Canazarez, Sherry Hogan, and I'm not sure if Joe Ramos has spoken.

3:04:25So if the next speakers would line up behind the chairman, go ahead, sir.

3:04:29Thank you, Mr. Chairman. My name is Dr. Dan Richardson. I live in Saddlebrook as of the past two years. I'm an old Zipper Hirls Bulldog from the 60s. I remember when it was built. My profession is I'm a planner, an economic planner, and an MAI, a member of the appraisal. Institute. I'm looking at the development plan that Mast has presented,

3:04:59and I wanted to express some concerns to the Commission. My background includes having to appraise the Boloteri Tennis Academy before it became IMG, and then appraising the IMG Academy before it expanded to at baseball and soccer and football now. Um I've done a number of projects around the state. I do primarily eminent domain as for the roads. Um My

3:05:30concern here is that most of these developments, like in Innisbrook, for example, uh the competition, the entrances, the frontages, the edges of the property, particularly along the highways, are typically green space or in many cases uh holes of the golf course. the heavier, densiter development are inside and the core development, like where our resort is at Saddlebrook. To put

3:06:00the um five hundred units up on uh area

3:06:06One uh creates a lot of concern in terms of presenting a pr the right uh image for a uh golf and tennis resort as other speakers have presented it seems very out of character. Um the other concern uh that I have is with timing and phasing. Uh The resort is a business. I'm troubled that the proposals don't really bring into account renovation

3:06:36of the development prior to all these other ancillary real estate developments. So I would urge the to Commission if they were to approve this for uh mass that they would put conditions on there that the uh resort needs to be developed and refurbished first or at worst after development of uh area two which doesn't affect our entrance. Thank you very much for your time.

3:07:14Good day. My name's Russell Galloway. My wife Betty Galloway.

3:07:21We uh Address Address We live at [address removed], which is in Fairway Village. And have been sworn. We have been sworn in. Um we bought our property when there was no building there. It was just a lot. We bought it in 1989. We've seen a lot of changes in Saddlebrook. Uh I have a friend who is a um a real estate agent. who comes as a friend just to take a look at the place. And he takes a look at our area.

3:07:51We live in a in a cluster home. And he said, I've never seen anything like it in my life. He's been in real estate for about twenty-five years. And he said, Who did this? And he said, I said, Arthur Ruttenberg. Guy's a genius. It's a beautiful property. We've seen changes for thirty-three years. And we'd like to keep it similar to the way it is, we understand that things are gonna happen. I'd say the density is our biggest problem and we're s we break it together. Our time is started

3:08:21together, so that's basically all I have to say. Thanks for your time. Thank you.

3:08:31Then call my name afterwards.

3:08:32Berta. Carnazars. I don't know if that how and then Sherry Hogan.

3:08:38My name is Berta Cañeteres. I have two properties. I think everybody has said already what I was gonna say, so my only point is that at the very beginning.

3:08:48Sorry.

3:08:48Do you just

3:08:49your name and address the record and you've been sworn?

3:08:51I'm sorry?

3:08:51If you would just say your name and your address

3:08:53which would

3:08:53be

3:08:54sworn. Sorry.

3:08:55Quick.

3:08:56I thought you heard it. Okay, Hamberta Cañizares. I have two properties and in the resort and everybody has said already most of what I'm gonna say. So uh I'm just saying that it's a pity that to ruin the whole thing with uh really five hundred units because Nobody can even think how much is five hundred units. And that's all I'm gonna say. Thank you very much.

3:09:24Yeah.

3:09:28Sherry Hogan is the last one I have.

3:09:32Should I go back some time? All right, is there any else who wants to address it? Anyone on WebEx? Nope. Okay. Now go back to the applicant? Well staff.

3:09:43Staff because I don't know if staff wants to make a statement.

3:09:47Mr. Pitos and Ms. Harley.

3:10:07Thank you, Mr. Chairman Mariano.

3:10:10Um just to follow up on a few uh comments that have been made, um with regard to the comprehensive plan amendment that's before the Board of County Commissioners for Transmittal to DEO. Um in terms of the compatibility reviews uh that have been talked about, Policy Flu 1.10.1, for example, talks about compatibility It points to other comprehensive plan policies that we traditionally use to review the various comprehensive plan amendments that come

3:10:40to the board. Um policy flu 1.10.2 talks about compatibility through appropriate design, which is a policy that points uh a policy of the comprehensive plan that points to the land development coding by extension to MPUDs to review the uh specifics. Of 1.10.2. Policy flu 1.10.3 talks about residential compatibility and transitions, which is again another policy that points to the land development code to do this. Um,

3:11:10sort of compatibility review. Objective flu 1.4 talks about the protection of residential neighborhoods, and again that establishes the land development code and by extension the MPUDs uh to do that. Then of course policy flu 1.10.5 talks about the relationship of land use to zoning classifications, which is a policy that talks about zoning and is not really applicable to the comprehensive plan amendments. Um I bring this up because we've seen some slides in the past

3:11:40couple of hearings that talk about incompatibility and inconsistency to the comprehensive plan. And these policies are actually pointing to settling uh compatibility issues at the MPUD or the entitlement stage, and then further on uh via the Land Development Code during site plan review activities. So uh I'm not sure that these policies would necessarily be applicable to uh the comprehensive plan consistency.

3:12:16That

3:12:16whole thing was worse than lawyer speak.

3:12:21And it's for the right. I'm offended.

3:12:32Okay.

3:12:34Uh in terms of uh

3:12:38In terms of the um

3:12:45Discussions that we've had with regard to density along State Route 54 and what it what will be the future of Bruce P. Downs intersection that's at the northwest corner of the Saddlebrook development. Um This is a we we have discussed previously in other cases as well that higher density is typically appropriate near high intensity transportation corridors. And uh apartment

3:13:15complexes that we've seen in the past typically come in at densities around res twelve. Sometimes they come in a little lower at a eleven dwelling units per gross acre and sometimes they come in a at a little higher than twelve uh dwelling units per gross acre. And so uh density at the stairwell 54 and future intersection with Bruce B downs uh is going to be appropriate because of the high-intensity corridor too high the intersection of two high-intensity

3:13:46corridors at that location. Um and then I want to point out that it's not simply placing the density at that intersection uh But it's placing it with a particular development pattern that will reduce uh or is aimed at reducing congestion within within the State Route 54 corridor as well as the Bruce Bowns corridor, which is the mixed-use trip reduction measures that had been talked about. Umderum is designed as a development pattern to

3:14:17control and contain as much traffic within. in the development is possible. And so this area one that's been talked about extensively Uh the density that is proposed there is appropriate for the high intensity corridor that uh is to the east, or excuse me, to the north and to the west of the site. Uh but it's also appropriate because that density will will contain within itself uh the various amenities that

3:14:47will help to keep traffic off of 54 and off of Bruce B. Docks.

3:14:51Terry, let me s let me stop you there for a second because we're not talking about a of like a virgin piece of land. We're talking about an MPUD that was came forward in nineteen eighty six, comprehensive plan that uh acknowledged everything was in place by ninety one. Now, in the documents that were submitted, it talks about the core of the property. You know, Innisbrook was a great resort, had a big core around it. This here was even more compact. You've got the swimming pool, you've got the golf course pro shop, you had a high-end restaurant which has been shut down now. There's still another nice restaurant with

3:15:21a bar that's right there. You've got all that core activity. the swimming pool, right? That's featured everywhere. That's where the core is. That's what Mutterham was really designed about was keeping all those people right there. I mean think about the term walking village. They can walk to go there. They can walk to stay there. They can do all these activities from tennis all around as well. So When you're gonna talk about keeping traffic inside, those people when they get there, they

3:15:52stay there. They don't go out on fifty four, they don't go around. So I I I struggle with your telling me that Mutterum is good out on the front parcel on fifty four, when fifty four's so crowded right now, with sixty five percent of the traffic going left, And you've got left turn lane backups now to throw four hundred and sixty five more units right there and getting them to go to the same place. is going to be very difficult. When you go further down, the other piece of property, the other M P U D piece that's m added

3:16:22in, There's no mudder, it's just a little bit more. Another intersection on a busy road. So I don't I don't know how you can associate the Moderam with this piece. The right regular theory you have is it's perfect. You're right, Mutterham is there to keep traffics in-house. But you've got a core that this whole thing was built around. And you're gonna go take the segment of that people and go put them out front. Meanwhile, reducing amenity twenty-five percent. Talk to me about that.

3:16:52Well I th I personally I think the core for the resort is is uh centered within Sandlebrook.

3:17:00Okay.

3:17:01Um I think the It's my understanding of the development and like I said, the placement of density is appropriate at higher intensity quarters. The area one aspect of this project is oriented towards State Route fifty four. And that's not That's new development that that's taking place at that northwest corner of the of the

3:17:26Oh Let me stop. You're saying it's new development. Here's where I struggle with that. This is an MPUD that's got all this acreage around it. This may be part of the project But it's not a little bit more. Separate from what the core actually is. It's another segment, another part of a development, but not a new development. The development's already been in since 1986.

3:17:50Well it's it's a new development in the sense that that that corner is being redeveloped. So there's new things that are m moving in, essentially.

3:17:57You can say redevelopment, but it's not

3:17:59Yeah.

3:18:00Okay.

3:18:01And those and uh

3:18:02Commissioner Oakley. Yeah, Terry if tell me if I'm wrong, but to me we're looking at Saddlebrook at what it used to be years ago, back in the late seventies, early eighties. and what it is today. We are trying to revitalize this property to be something like it was before, but in a different arrangement. But Um I've expressed a mask before about how Nice that front view of Saddlebrook and that apartment

3:18:33snow. uh need to look so that it expresses the great quality you have in Saddlebrook. in the resort. And of the residential there. to help it be just what Mass wants it to be. And then I think once they get started some of this development of the golf course and the or the driving range, some of that be happen. I can see also some of the uh rebiling going on uh during the resort

3:19:03at the same time some of these other things are being done because if they don't do that they won't bring it together all at all pretty much close to the same time to open uh with all all the good parts of of what mass wants to do. And it's to their advantage, it's their dollar. But when they bring that out, it's gonna improve everyone's value that they have in in that saddlebrook, in the resort and in the homes in there. And that quality of what it looks like out front is very, very important. I expressed that to Mass

3:19:34r early on. So but I think that's a redevelopment of an M P U D that has gone a long time and then it has changed because of the climate's changed on people traveling from the north down to the south like it doesn't happen like it used to. So there's a big change in that.

3:19:51Mr. Chairman Mariano. Mr. Starkey. Uh I just have one question for you, um, Terry, and then I think we still have rebuttal. So my question for the planning director is we heard uh two people I think mention the world sprawl. uh as for the redevelopment of neighborhood or the area one, what what is sprawl and why how are they possibly using it there?

3:20:21I think I would answer that question by saying that i i it's not sprawl, firstly because it's in the urban service area of of the county and sprawl would have to be low density development that is encroaching upon uh more rural area, and also sprawl would be the extension of utility into place. That previously did not have utilities in order to serve as a low density or

3:20:52low intensity development pattern. Here we have State Wheel 54, and eventually Bruce B. Downs will be brought to that northwest corner. And so this is a very urbanized horse, or I would say. more suburbanized um future intersection along the State Worldly Four corridor in uh in in the urban service area. So this would be uh this would not be sprawl in

3:21:22that sense. Yeah

3:21:22it's kind of the opposite of sprawl.

3:21:24Yeah this is more in in if we follow the redevelopment language it'd be more infill.

3:21:30So and so I mentioned this to someone the other day that you know we have so many people that want to move here to Pasco County and if if we didn't if we took away these apartments say and put one of those in a forty foot wide home, rental home or whatever. And If we added four or five thousand Rental homes. And we went. horizontal instead of vertical. We I wouldn't want that. So I prefer

3:22:01If we're having all this um attention that we go up in places. So but but that was my My my question for you, um and you already answered about uh why we put density We we purposely uh put density near public infrastructure investments, and this has many of them there with 75, Bruce Bowns, 54, 56, so this is where the mall, the hospitals, the

3:22:32the college, this is where density belongs.

3:22:35All right, so let's let Terry continue on. If you had a question about what he's saying.

3:22:46Uh I for what? I double checked with staff. I think that was the extent of my uh my recap. Um

3:22:54Did

3:22:54you have first?

3:22:55Okay. I have one question. Um and maybe a Brad question, but will the revitalization of the resort require them to obtain a new site plan approval of any kind?

3:23:11Brad signaling yes. Yes. Okay. Thank you.

3:23:17So Terry, let me ask your question then if you're done. The Area two. There's been new language put in that says any density not used in area one can go to area two. Area two you got Brookside. I think it's a space of land. uh another space of land and it's uh pretty rural back there. How do you justify that piece of property to go to what could be the same thing as the apartments over there?

3:23:46Well firstly I think uh area two is also along stairwell fifty-four. So again you're still on the high intensity quorum. I would say, however, that there's some distinction between area one and two, at least from my perspective, that area one would be you would expect area one to be more intense than area two simply because it's nearest to the intersection or the future intersection. Hope Bruce B downstin fifty four. And so there th there may be an argument that higher

3:24:17intensity and higher density is more appropriate in area one than in area two. That said, you could make you could have also the expectation that some degree of higher intensity or higher density is appropriate for area two because again, uh the fifty-four corridor and the development patterns that are uh occurring all along.

3:24:4175 eastward to 301. Uh W they would indicate support for that kind of higher density or higher intensity use.

3:24:51Does the traffic bother you at all as far as like how many trips that have been coming out there and how it traffic backs up right now at peak hours?

3:25:01I mean the the development patterns would have to uh respond to whatever the timing and phasing would be. Uh And also whatever access management requirements would have to be w whatever access management requirements are identified would have to be met as part of whatever development is getting proposed. So yes, the transportation would be taken into account.

3:25:26At the same time, this is why we have to go through the different phases so that when we get into uh the MPUD reviews, um we can establish the necessary conditions of approval. And are the appropriate land use equivalency matrices that would regulate what alternative land uses could swap in and out.

3:25:46Well again the the original M P D actually had developments like that with what could go in there. And they didn't put apartments in there.

3:25:55Okay. Anyone anyone have any questions for Terry? Okay. Alright, the applicant?

3:26:11Barbara Wilhite for the applicant. First if I could have a motion to receive and file the two PowerPoints.

3:26:17Move to receive and file.

3:26:18Second. All in favor say aye. Aye. Any opposed?

3:26:23Thank you for all the time you've taken to listen to us and listen to the residents and I thank them for all the time that they've given us um to give us their ideas and suggestions and to work collaboratively and sometimes agree and sometimes not agree, but we actually we banter back and forth, we actually sometimes come up with some good ideas. Um like Jane Graham, you know, we were Larry and I were kind of bantering back and forth and she goes, Well, why don't you just do this? I'm like That's a great solution. So that we've had a

3:26:53lot of good time spent together and we look forward to the opportunity to continue to do that. I I thought it was interesting to hear that the the P D conflicts with intent when it's all res six today. We're moving it to PD and making all of the golf course areas recreational areas or open space. That is addressing open space and recreation space that the Comp Plan doesn't do today in the REST six. Creative site design, that is what area one is. It is a modern project. And butterum.

3:27:24Puts our project in the hands of your staff. And ultimately at your direction as the policy makers. I have done I have worked with the Mudarm Ordnance. with with my clients and it puts staff right into it and saying we want to see this quality and we want to see this building go this way and that building go that way. It's a it is a a subjective review we put ourselves under, but with an intent to make it a quality place. So I've watched that in person. So I believe in that process and I believe in

3:27:54that commitment that we made to make it Mutter.

3:27:59We've heard about the linkage. We wanted to make sure we link the development of area one and area two, you know, to the resort renovations, to the driving range. We have started working on that language, Mr. Goldstein and myself. He said it wasn't good enough either. That's why on my slide it said an MPUD condition, work in progress. Very transparent coming here and saying, you know, I I put the language up that's would I knew would be criticized, but I wanted to show that the commitment's there to to work on that language. So it wasn't

3:28:30meant to be the end of it and and Mr. Goldstein will tell you that it wasn't acceptable to him either. So we're going to continue to work on that. Um A speaker spoke about Central Pasco Employment Village, not sure what the relevance there is, but one of my teammates was familiar with that and said that was an a battle between homeown uh owners of property regarding allocation of entitlements. So really apples and oranges there. One thing that I I heard I don't know if anybody else heard it, but The thought that the vision road, having the vision road and

3:29:00saddlebook ray both intersecting 54, would somehow mean that the light of Saddlebook Way is going away, that is not the case. Our transportation consultant has met with DOT and both of those locations are acceptable from a spacing standpoint for traffic signals. So that I want to make sure we clear that up because that will get people really upset that to think that when the Vision Road is ultimately signalized it would take away Saddlebok Way's signal and they work so hard to get that signal, that's just not the case. I thought

3:29:30the conversation about the traffic inside and the traffic down Saddlebrook Way and the trucks and the service vehicles, I tried to present that in my presentation. That was actually been very thoughtfully handled. The service vehicles now come through the resort gate, down Saddlebrook Way, Fox Hunt Drive, you know they they can go that way. But my client can speak to it more, but the intentions are to move all of that service traffic over to the Vision Road and that new gate and they can control that because these are their vendors, these are the people that service the resort. Um

3:30:01Pedestrian circulation, we are definitely not silent on that. I mean if you look at our plans, very specific circulation on those plans, that multi-use path was for the very comment that um that the one speaker raised about pedestrian circulation and how it does how it happens today. So we knew about that and we which why we put it in there. We can we insisted that you know we worked with Mast and made sure that it was there and your staff Mm-hmm.

3:30:31The note five language that says we can transfer density from one to two was a request that was made of us. We believe in the plan in area one, we believe in the plan in area two, we believe that those are appropriate plans. We put it in there as flexibility in case there's another idea. Um I know when I first mentioned I mentioned going density between one and two, um your Mr. Pito said he didn't like that idea. Um he can speak for himself, but um he didn't like that idea because

3:31:01that's a right in and right out for area two and we have the Vision Road and using the Vision Road connection to Wire Gross Boulevard and so the density he thought was appropriate where it is and he explained to you just now about how the intersection of the Vision Road and State Road fifty four makes the appropriate place. So I can I'm fine with moving note five. I just think it it gives it gave some flexibility to have further conversation, which is what I committed to um the residents that I would do. So And

3:31:3127 Holes of Golf, if you want to put that language back in our sub-area plan, we're fine with that. Again, there was no bad intent there. And if you're happy with that change, I'm I'm happy with that change. We hear you loud and clear about the quality of Area One. And I know um on behalf of Mass, Jordan uh Kornberg wants to speak and then Aaron Landry quickly. But they are the representative mast and they wanted to to to say a couple things um to you.

3:31:56Barbara, before you sit down, could you address the argument that you don't need the plan amendment to do the non residential in the resort.

3:32:08Yes, I do not agree with that. I do not agree with uh the opinions raised there. I mean w the comp plans res six. The zoning preceded the comp plan and we have the longstanding interpretation of of conflict zonings. I actually had two conflict zonings that were resolved today through a comp plan change with on your agenda. Um so I do not agree with all of those opinions and Mm-hmm. We

3:32:35Yeah, I'm I mean I'm reading the argument and it says that I think she's relying on the fact that Saturnbrook got a final local development order, but based on Mr. Tiffin's opinion that you would need a new site plan approval to redevelop the g the resort, it seems like you would need a new final local development order which would have to be consistent with Compoint.

3:32:54That's correct. That's correct. Plus if we had any site plan, it's long expired and that talks about commencing in good faith. And that's a I mean you know we've we've looked at these provisions together in the state law. So I don't know if we've I mean I'm happy to go through that discussion but I know you're uh

3:33:12I guess uh my conclusion would be that you they do need to redevelop the golf course, I think they're I mean the resort, the non residential uses in the resort, I think they do need some type of plan amendment to do that.

3:33:27Thank you. Thank you, David.

3:33:36Hello, Jordan Kornberg. I'm with Mass Mass Capital Managing Director. I'll keep it brief, so appreciate all the time you all are taking. Um, you know, there were two surveys put in front of everybody. Those two surveys made very clear there's two things that are important to the residents, which have also been what's come through our conversations. That's protecting golf course and views and getting to a renovation of the resort. We've worked over the last two months. To address those concerns and solve them, our plan accomplishes that. One of those surveys took it a step further

3:34:06to say, if we did those two things, are you supportive of what we're doing? And the overwhelming answer, I think it was at 85%, said yes. The other survey did not make any attempt to link things or get to a resolution. It simply asked questions in isolation. So we don't know because they didn't attempt to get the resolution.

3:34:24was brought out at one of the constituents. How many of those votes did you have with the uh survey done by Mr. Sullivan? Did you guys put any votes in there at all?

3:34:33In the settlement. Uh we did vote. I don't know the number.

3:34:37You did vote?

3:34:38You have

3:34:38a hundred units?

3:34:39What's that?

3:34:39You have a hundred units?

3:34:40I don't know the number.

3:34:41Approximately?

3:34:42What's that?

3:34:43Approximately

3:34:44I I d I do not know. I did not fill out the survey. Um and so we have somebody on our team who is a board member and part of the association, so I I I do not know the answer.

3:34:53I think it would be a pretty important piece of information for you to know, but go ahead.

3:34:57Um you know there continues to be discussion of 36 holes and the importance of that. Members at Saddlebrook Resort play 7,000 rounds, less than 7,000 rounds on this golf course. You can't support nine holes with 7,000 rounds. The Vision Road was talked about as a vision and who knows? We're committing to building that. So the idea of us solving traffic, we are making that commitment and we are solving it. It's not a hypothetical that may or may not happen down the line. The maintenance facility is something that keeps

3:35:27coming up. One, the new vision road goes right through our maintenance facility. So we are forced to move it with or without this plan at some point in time. Two, as you've seen, the driving range location where the maintenance facility is is a lot further from the golf course today than where we plan for it to go. All of that maintenance traffic that people are concerned about not only drives through the community, it drives through the residential portion of the community today. Where we're putting it addresses that concern and puts in an existing building where we have heard

3:35:57loud and clear concerns about what that facility might look like. Everybody knows what it's going to look like 'cause that's an existing building that's there today. We started working with the coalition and other members of the community. They had very long lists of things to address. They're down to basically one thing. They stand up here as if we've accomplished nothing and we've gotten nowhere. Their very long list has been whittled down. And the two other groups that have worked with us, we've addressed their concerns and they actually showed up in support today.

3:36:27We've already made significant investment in Saddlebrook. We're continuing to make that investment, and I think it's clear that our plans are focused on revitalizing Saddleburg and saving Saddleburg.

3:36:44Mm oh, okay.

3:36:49Barbara will hit again. In the interest of time, my rest of my team is available if you have any questions. We too don't want to just go on and on and keep saying the same thing either, so

3:36:59Barb, I got a question for you. I heard in the SAR presentation about the golf court presentation was done to a segment of the population. Um Any reason you guys haven't shown what you're gonna do with the new layout?

3:37:11Well let me have my client answer that. As to why they made it available to resort members first.

3:37:22So we started with unveiling the plan to all the members that are members and use the golf course and their facilities. We had that end of last week. The presentation which Reese Jones was at as well as Bryce Wanson and his team were gonna make available and then disseminate it to the broader community. But our focus was really on initially sharing it with the stakeholders who actually are, you know, have a vested interest in it.

3:37:43Uh any reason you want to preserve to the Board of County Commissioners gonna be looking at a change from a thirty-six hole golf course to a twenty-seven?

3:37:49We've been very clear.

3:37:53Yeah. Yeah, we do not th I from a zoning and land use perspective do not think that taking something that should be the community and working in a town hall with 150 resort members We need to take those discussions of golf course out of this boardroom and into the community where they're s where they belong. That masks can change their golf course today, I believe, my opinion. They own the golf course, they can renovate their golf course. So but My goal is to talk about land use and zoning here and get

3:38:23the community working on things that that impact the community. And I believe that's what they're doing. 150 people attended that meeting. And there'll be more meetings. Today's today you're not approving anything, by the way. Didn't kind of make that point. You're transmitting, but you're approving nothing. Your vote will be in the future when the MPUD zoning is before you, when this is the comp plan's back before you. So this is still a beginning of a journey and they will continue to work with all the residents and work with them and get their input on the the golf course

3:38:53renovation as well.

3:38:54So when I look at policy FLU one point four point one oh when it says about on site traffic flow and I'm deal talking about golf course cart crossing on roadways that don't have sidewalks that are out there that'd be trying to find their new ways around for ninety seconds, for forty five seconds, for fifty seconds. For eighty seconds and even going from 171 seconds to that uh area. None of that on flight traffic matters?

3:39:22No, I did not say that.

3:39:24You just said it. It's part of the redesign of the golf course where the golf cart's got to go. And they've got to travel on the roads to get to these new places. But this board hasn't even been shown that. You only showed a small segment of the population. And it's right in there in the FLU.

3:39:40You may not think it's a button as and maybe not a gopher, but It's there.

3:39:45Yeah, I bel I believe that we can we can renovate our golf course without any approval here today. So so that's what I believe. I believe we're trying to focus on the land use and the zoning and the matters that were before us in the land use and that's what we're trying to focus on. And there's plenty of opportunity for the public to have input regarding our golf course renovations. Yeah, excuse me. Both the residents as well as the m resort members, so Again, all those conversations belong, I believe they belong with the community, exactly where they're occurring.

3:40:16So

3:40:19Any other questions?

3:40:20Um not for Barbara but David Engel has some numbers I think we should list have him prefer.

3:40:26Yeah, just want to.

3:40:29Barbara, you said that some of the details will be addressed in the MPUD, like the binding concept plan, the linked language, things like that. When are you anticipating that language will be available for all of these folks to You see.

3:40:46I think I committed to staff 'cause you guys asked me that question yesterday. Um I committed to staff that you'd have my draft by mid next week. Yeah. that linkage language takes some time so that's gonna take some thought because the next step is well what do you when will you complete and w and trying to put more details on talking about a resort renovation. That's a dynamic thing. There's seasonality there, there's different pieces of of trying to do resort renovation. But trying to provide link linkage

3:41:17language that has enough detail, but also recognizing that you're doing a renovation that's a very fluid thing, we've got to make that balance. And so if anything delays me, it'll be working on that language.

3:41:29Well, would have been discussed with staff in terms of when the MPD would go into Planning Commission?

3:41:35And they can help me with the dates, but it's July and I do have it written down somewhere in all my notes. Uh well there's excuse me it's June in Planning Commission. And

3:41:47Oh I

3:41:47love it.

3:41:48Where's Amy? Amy

3:41:49knows. I know you know. Sorry. We we have a meeting July 5th.

3:41:54Where are we at? Uh April, May, June.

3:41:56I still want to meet when we're in July.

3:42:01July Planning Commission. June Planning Commission.

3:42:05Your July meeting is July eleventh.

3:42:06July eleventh, August.

3:42:13But whatever

3:42:13those new dates June and July. But whatever those new dates are, you're gonna renotice for those dates.

3:42:18Full renotic signs.

3:42:20Same way you notice this hearing.

3:42:22Every hearing will be fully noticeable.

3:42:25Thank you.

3:42:26And we have to go to Planning Commission as well, so

3:42:33Good. Thank you.

3:42:38Good afternoon. David Engel, Economic Growth Director. I have very brief comments. They're not opinion-based, they're fact-based, uh with several findings and a report back because Mass provided me additional information on March 16. Uh number one, there was a question about profitability and economic viability of the resort. Uh they provided us with a 10,000-foot uh profit and income statement and based on their projections I find

3:43:08that the the project and the resort itself is going to be highly profitable over a sustainable period of time. So if these figures that they gave me are accurate, I think we can feel confident that the resort will prosper and be sustained as a very good business downstream into the

3:43:29Regarding tax impact, we did a complete evaluation of the ad valorem tax generation of the project as proposed against what's here and being collected now. And our determination was that the mass facility as proposed will generate additional ad valorem general tax revenue of $1,050,000 a year once the project's completed in 2026.

3:43:58The project itself is an enormous undertaking. The total development budget for areas one and two are about $203 million. And in that figure, they've built in financing and carry costs. And the renovation of the resort is $53,300,000. They did not include Finance carry, but that's a substantial investment. And I thought it was important to note that in their

3:44:28internal pro forma, they had a construction and development schedule. So they're proposing to commence the resort renovation the second fourth quarter of 2023. So that'll be October, December of this year. And they're not prepared to begin. the construction and site improvements at development areas one and two until the third quarter of 24. So you're basically got a three-quarter of a year head start on the resort itself, and that makes sense because

3:44:58you have to, if you're relocating the training facility in the range, you have to have a place for it to go. And the completion dates are aligned with the same three-quarter of a year variance. The resort renovation is projected to be complete the second quarter of 2025. And the the development will be completed as projected in development areas one and two the first quarter of 2026. So b based on that in the hiring schedule. They

3:45:29have a in 2021 they had about 153 reported employees at the at the premises. Um I believe it's now about 255 employees. And at the completion of the project, the renovation of the resort facility, we'll have 323 addition employees. So they are ramping up the employees and then they have a terminal date and I think two thousand thirty-two where they're projecting three hundred and fifty-four employees.

3:45:59So it's contributing to the local economy, it's generating tax revenue, and the rural resort, and this is important, can stand on its own without any additional development. So that's my report.

3:46:13Any follow up? Yep. All right, David, a couple of questions for you. Uh when you were here sixty days ago, I asked you the difference between what's the resort going to be like as far as creating jobs, between having apartments, uh economic impact and having let's say condo hotels, as well as comparing it from twenty seven holes to thirty-six holes. The numbers seem to be a little bit different.

3:46:34Well they're not different, sir. You add asked me specifically.

3:46:42So let's

3:46:43go back to the difference between having an apartment to condo hotel on the tax base.

3:46:46All right. So you had asked me to do a hypothetical what if what if there were no apartments there and the driving range was to remain where it is now, and we built internal to the project uh a hotel. So I did that generic analysis and it was determined that a hotel would be far greater employer as an inc than apartments and that the tax generation and the economic impact could be superior in that sense

3:47:17too.

3:47:17So the ultimate product for the for for returners are really condo hotels versus apartments and keeping the 36 as opposed to 27?

3:47:24Well I I didn't do an analysis of that. There's no way for me to model that.

3:47:28Okay. So we just stick with the jobs then for the having apartments compared to Conda Hotel, the jobs are much stronger, much better for economic development.

3:47:43But don't don't those apartments.

3:47:46Um what I also look at is from what you just showed with the numbers, which is pretty close to what I heard. So 153 employees a c couple years ago, 255 currently, at the end they think they'll be at 323.

3:47:58Uh yes, sir, and at the terminal completion date of the resort.

3:48:02Okay. Now I think s I he I've heard and I've heard it from several sources, including Well, some very substantial folks from years ago, uh, that the in its heyday they had about eight hundred employees. Side about the way was the way it was run before.

3:48:17I don't have historic data survey.

3:48:18I mean it's a dramatic drop in difference. When you look at your study that's on our item P fifty eight that we just went through, um one of the things they were talked about jobs in Pasco County. We have two hundred and sixty-three thousand people that are employed that live in Pasco County.

3:48:35That's right.

3:48:36We only have 187,000 jobs. If the numbers are accurate, From the eight hundred. To the three twenty three, we're losing like another four hundred and seventy jobs that could be here compared to where they're gonna have to compute to go somewhere else.

3:48:51Well that's correct sir and you know the mission that the board has uh pushed me off on is to create more jobs in the county and less commuting time out of the county.

3:49:02And I think you're doing a phenomenal job. Thank you. Thank you. Any other questions for David? Yes.

3:49:07Ms.

3:49:07Snarke?

3:49:10If they were if they built a condo hotel in the front, wouldn't that cannibalize? The condos inside the resort?

3:49:19Well I I had asked for a a market study and Mass position from day one was that there's enough keys internal to the resort. Um I made an argument that potentially because Wesley Chapel is short hotel space and we have recreational elements uh that the county is is running next door. and all the other things that you know, we would generate hotel requirements and we're short hotel space that perhaps there was more demand, but we never went

3:49:50further than that and I I would have to ask our our destination management office to get involved and maybe have their consultant take a look at it. I don't have that expertise

3:50:00I just mean if if you're one of these people that owns a condo that gets rented out um by guests in the resort. I don't think they would want competition outside the front door, um, for a a condo. To compete with the inside. So that's why I maybe it didn't go very far with this development company.

3:50:20Well that's that's specifically what they said.

3:50:22Yeah, well yeah. I'm not a developer but

3:50:25Common sense.

3:50:27Common sense.

3:50:28Okay. Mr Mr Chair, since Mr Engel has offered new expert testimony, I do think you need to give the applicant a chance to rebut if they want to. I'm not saying they have to, but Do you want to, Barbara? Okay.

3:50:42Any additional questions? Thank you very much.

3:50:50Okay, any elsewhere from staff? Okay. Okay, board discussion.

3:50:59Uh I don't like a comment. So sent to Dave David if that was you what you sent to me. I just want you to read that to everybody.

3:51:14So I yes, you're asking me to read an email the commission the chair asked what are the basis that you can deny a comprehensive plan amendment and I made it clear to him that they are legislative decisions, that they can be denied for just about any reason as long as it's not an arbitrary and capricious reason. Um but typically it would be a slight lack of compassion. compatibility or inadequate supporting infrastructure or lack of internal consistency with the Com plan. I was

3:51:44answering this question in a very generic sense without regard to any particular plan amendment, but I still stand by that yes, those are reasons you could deny a plan amendment if you if the board so wanted to.

3:51:55Okay. So I would say that we've heard lots of testimony about having an MPUD in place and now the effects of what's gonna go on and you've heard views across the board about different things about what people are concerned about, et cetera. Um Saddleburgh has been a jewel for many, many years, created a lot of jobs, created a lot of income, created a image for Pasco County that's been phenomenal. And uh I just I think we should look real close at this because I just I hate to

3:52:25see what happened to the people down in Miami where they built an apartment complex in an area, nice area, they left it, as we heard, they got ratings of one on a Yelp. And they said at that point, wasn't us, we don't own it anymore, it's not our property. I just would hate to see that same type of thing happen to Saddam Market. I think we can do better.

3:52:47Yeah, sorry, Ms. Chan. Good.

3:52:50Commissioner Weightman.

3:52:51Thank you. No, this is a transmittal. This doesn't obligate anybody. The decision made today on the transmitter does not obligate anything to this project. I think everybody has a clearer understanding of the direction of this project. I think it's important that we take a step forward and we ensure that the resort receives a lifeline and comes

3:53:21back to life. It's a new day. There's a new customer base. We also have to balance. The existing customers of the residents and their needs and desires that live there that made your investment. And it's my commitment to you that we'll work with Mass, and Mass has heard this on plenty of occasions from our office, that our office will not Budge from the notion of protecting your investment and

3:53:51ensuring a quality development, a quality project. With that said, I'm willing to move forward with a transmittal. today. That's

3:54:00your motion.

3:54:01That's that's a motion, but before I make it formal and go on the record publicly to masked on area one I share the same sentiments of a lot of residents here. I'm not overly enthusiastic about the multifamily in that area and the density in that area. But moving forward with the transmittal, which doesn't obligate us. to committing a hundred percent to this project, it's just moving forward. That way we can ensure Mass the ability to say, okay, we're moving forward and they can keep reinvesting in the resort

3:54:31and in the golf course to keep Blood flowing in into that area to revitalize the area and keep value coming there. So as we move forward with motion, should this pass, I'm on motion to support the transmittal. uh Mass and the team we're gonna be playing very close attention to the area one. We're gonna be challenging you on Area One. So with that, thank you for everybody who came. I saw the Pines kids,

3:55:02at least one of the two that were here today that that uh what's your name again for the record? Jocelyn another another Jocelyn. Thank you for coming another day in a real life civics lesson. And uh you know hopefully you're learning something from it and something to take back to school. Um so with that and with my cautious motion to move the transmittal forward and I look forward to working towards a final product that

3:55:32everybody can hopefully come even closer together on here. in the coming days. So I'm I make a motion to move. I second that motion. Mr. Chairman Mariano

3:55:41can I ask for clarification on the motion.

3:55:43Move forward the uh transmittal of

3:55:46Does that include adding the back of the requirement for the 27-hole golf course or not? Because Barbara said she'd be willing to do that if the board passed or two. I'm just asking, does that does your motion include inserting that? Say that again. So the language about it being a twenty-seven-hole golf course was removed. So

3:56:06you your your head was turned away from the

3:56:10Language previously that said that the golf course would be at least a 27-hole golf course. That language was removed from the transmittal document. The applicant has stated they are willing to have that language put back in if the board directs her to do so. My question is, does your motion include reinserting the requirement for the twenty seven whole golf course?

3:56:31Yes. Okay. Yes. With the deed restrictions and the covenants and the ninety

3:56:36nine

3:56:36years and the extensions and

3:56:37Well yeah, to be clear, that's that's a private deed restriction that's not necessarily part of your transmittal and we can address the extent to which the deed restrictions are also part of the M P D conditions when the MPD comes through. But my

3:56:49motion on transmittal adds the protections that the applicant masses made. That's the compromise to the residents here. So whatever captures what's the commitment to them and the benefit of the resident is what my motion is. With

3:57:04the 27 host.

3:57:05With the 27 holds.

3:57:05Exactly with the second

3:57:06and our second. Yeah.

3:57:08I think it's not More discussion? Any anything from the first No. Okay. Commissioner Starkey.

3:57:16I just wanna say um I think you know I I'm a somewhat frequent visitor of Saddlebrook, nothing like Commissioner Mariano over here. Because uh I don't play golf really. Um but I would say that uh it is a community of lovely people. Um you guys represented your community very well. Both sides did and um had good decorum here. Sometimes we don't get that, so I appreciate The quality of residents that live in Saddlebrook and

3:57:46make an investment here in Pasco County. I also appreciate the quality of this company Mass coming forward. I can tell you, because I mentioned my son is in real estate world, lives in Greenwich, Connecticut, not down here. But I know that there are many. Many development groups have been c have come to Saddlebrook over the years and tried to purchase it. And the numbers just didn't work and they have walked. And I am um and

3:58:17my our s my son's company's been approached three times to invest in this product. So I am really excited to see a company uh like Mast come in and make this investment and they've had a little rocky road here with us but I think we've gotten to a good place. Um I think when they first came in and we were seeing some of the plants and they weren't matching, it was a little confusing for for us commissioning. Yeah. Um but I've looked at your other projects. I've never had the opportunity to

3:58:47go to Little Palm Island, but it's in my bucket list. Um never been to Hawks Kay either, uh but these are two top-notch resorts in the keys. So I did a little research on you guys and did a little bit of asking around. This is we're lucky to have a company like this. And when I look at the mixed use development that they're bringing outside of Saddlebrook, I wish we had more of those. I mean that's that's what we should want when we get an apartment uh complex here, a mixed

3:59:17vertical use building with that wonderful stuff underneath and I just wish I wish we could you know, I try and make the developments that come in my area, I try and make 'em look like that as much as I can now because I think we've made some mistakes in the past and we mentioned that earlier today, so I'm I'm in support and um and I hope that uh at the end of the day everyone is very proud of the changes that will come to a who settlement.

3:59:43Commission Bradford?

3:59:47I wanted to let you know that I have the utmost respect for you, Jeremy Mariano, and the way you've worked. I apologize for the voice and uh the struggle I'm having today. I'm really proud of everybody, how they've toned it down.

4:00:06Everybody's getting along. It's tough sometimes when you have uh differences of opinion. It's your home. Uh, nothing beats your home. And I get that. I met with people early on from Saddlebrook. I was impressed with the quality of those people. I got a long history with Salibok personally, even though I don't play golf anymore. Uh Bass has done a good job. Um

4:00:38I've been impressed with your plans. I think you got some work to do in Area One like Seth, Shoitman. But um I think we can get this done. And the only civics that I would be able to share is uh I'd be over there on that guy's lap asleep.

4:01:01Take care of Well it would be so anyway, thank you.

4:01:07Commissioner Oakley. Yeah. I um I'm very much in support of uh Mass and doing what they're doing and I'm also in support of the citizens there that that live in that area. Uh I actually was a member of the Gulf Horse back in 1979. So I played back then and and and George Gorse even helped work on some of the holes to make 'em back when the referums were there at Saddlebrook. So um or right prior to Saddlebrook. So

4:01:37that's a great resort. I think Mass their only benefit out of putting all this money in there is for a win is to make sure that that front shows what Salbrook's all about and and Brings that architect up because unless they do that and and make it very good for for the residents and and for the resort itself, Mass cannot win. They've got to do the right thing to make a win for themselves because they didn't buy that

4:02:07just to lose money. They bought that so they can improve it, make it better, and in the long run everybody will share in the benefit they're gonna get from them coming and and uh purchasing this property and and making it something that we can all be proud of in the future. It'll be a new saddle rope, but it It'll be one that we'll all be very, very proud of. So

4:02:29thank you. Thank you. I like to say the Saddlebrook Resort is great. The people are even better. You guys conducted yourself tremendously professionally. I think the logic you had was great. It's just a phenomenal place that Mr. Dempsey and the family have done and crafted in the years. the past years I I do agree it it has needed some work and does need some work. Uh but I just hate to see the risk of making such a dramatic change, especially

4:02:59with apartments. We've got enough in West Chapel in my opinion already. Um I want to compliment Mass though. Uh they were professional. Uh we sat down, we had a few strong conversations across the board. I couldn't sway them to where I thought they needed to go or where they should go. Uh But I do want to say the professionalism that they have gives me the inkling that maybe they can make some great things happen coming out. And I look forward to working with you to make it happen. Uh you know, my Board of County Commissioners, I greatly appreciate you guys. You guys We're in it, we talk about it, and

4:03:29we go and get the dialogues out, which is what you have to do to make this board work. Um I do want to say to Maston my and the board members as well, and I said this before But when it comes down to renovating, it's gonna get expensive, the right things need to get done. I think the bones of the golf courses out there are phenomenal. Um I hate to see you just rip things up that you don't need to, but I will say that You guys have put a lot of money into stormwater utility funds over the years. That it's critical that you guys get

4:03:59that stormwater improved. It's gonna affect wire grass right beside it. There's been lawsuits back and forth. I'd like to see us work together to try to help you, even work with Swift Mont to get more funding to get as much of the drainage improved as we can out there because it's gonna benefit the whole area. Um as far as as as I said, the hotel condo concept, you get people invested a lot of money and a lot of Of places spent from what I'm hearing $250,000 and those things are going for $30,000 now. It rips my heart out for those people,

4:04:30especially the school teacher with the values going down. I would love to work with you through permitting, and hopefully the board will support. We'll expedite all your permitting for you. We'll simplify the process to help you help those people get their pro no, really, we're gonna help them. It's gonna help us. We've got money sitting there. around doing

4:04:45nothing.

4:04:46Let's go take the permitting funds that we would normally generate and let's go get them so they can renovate those properties because if we've got hotels in this whole Wesley Chapel area at ninety five to ninety five per ninety five to ninety seven percent, it's on our best interest to get them to go through. Um And I do think, you know, putting the spa back in place and T D Steakhouse back out there will help your resort grow. And I think golf is booming. And I think the numbers show they are booming. And I think you you you got a great opportunity. So uh Commissioner

4:05:17Starkey's yellow at me that she's gotta go. So I'm gonna call the I'll call for the vote. All in favor say aye. Aye. Aye. All opposed say nay. Nay.

4:05:28Thank you all. So we'll take just a quick minute break here while everybody clears out.

4:05:34Be careful. Don't forget your path.

4:05:39Yeah. Yeah.

4:05:45Yeah, sure.

4:05:48You say we're taking a break?

4:06:51My email? Lovely.

4:06:59Well wouldn't have been my first story, but I

4:07:03think

4:08:05Yeah.

4:11:22Looking right up.

4:12:57Right.

4:12:59He did? Um Stark is gone. So

4:13:04we

4:13:04got

4:13:04four we got we have four members still. Mr. Bradford's gonna try to hang in as long as he can and Mr. Wait, we're gonna try to go quick. We've got two items to go. Uh two or

4:13:12three?

4:13:15Fifty eight, fifty nine.