An Ordinance Amending The Pasco County Comprehensive Plan; Providing For A Large-Scale Comprehensive Plan Amendment To The Future Land Use Map (Map 2-15 And Sheet 22) From RES-6 (Residential-6 Du/Ga) To PD (Planned Development) On Approximately 420.37 Acres Of Real Property Located To The South Of S.R. 54 And East Of Service Road And A Text Amendment Creating Subarea Policy FLU7.1.66 – Saddlebrook Resort; And A Map Amendment To The Future Land Use Map 2-9 Adding Subarea Map 2- 9(66) Saddlebrook Resort; And Providing For Additional Text Amendments As Necessary For Internal Consistency; Providing For A Repealer, Severability, And An Effective Date

2:09:05Call the meeting back to order. Item P fifty four, madam, do we have proof?

2:09:09We do. Tampa Bay Times, July 2nd, 2023, and by affidavit of site postings.

2:09:15Thank you.

2:09:32Good afternoon, Amy Toll with Planning and Development. The item before you is the adoption hearing for the proposed comprehensive plan amendment in the name of CPA 22, I'm sorry, O1, I think it is. Off the top of my head, I don't have that on me. Um Saddlebrook Resort Plan Development. Um so I will go ahead and read the ordinance into record. Uh, an ordinance amending the Pasco County Comprehensive Plan. Providing for a large-scale comprehensive plan amendment

2:10:03to the future land use map 2-15 in sheet 22 from Res 6 residential 6 dwelling units per gross acre to PD plan development on approximately 420.37 acres of real property located at the south located to the south of State Road 54 and east of Service Road, and a text amendment creating sub-area policy. Flu 7.1.66 Saddlebrook Resort and a MAP amendment to the future land use map 2-9, adding sub-area map 2-966 Saddlebrook Resort

2:10:33and providing for additional text amendments as necessary for internal consistency, providing for a repealer, severability, and an effective date. So we'll go ahead and go through the presentation. Again, this is the adoption hearing. The proposal is a comprehensive plan amendment from Res 6 Residential 6 Dwelling Units per Gross Acre to PD plan development to allow for the revitalization of an existing golf course and tennis course, or golf and tennis courses, as well as mixed-use multifamily

2:11:03development along State Road 54. The location is south of State Road 54 and east of the service road. And again, there is an associated sub-area policy in the name of Sub-area Policy Flu 7.166, creating the Saddlebrook Resort PD sub-area and associated sub-area map 2-9. There is also an accompanying rezoning petition that will be heard alongside this proposed amendment. So the site's currently located in the South Market Area and Urban Service Area.

2:11:33Here is your aerial view of the proposed PD flu, of where where it will be located. Here is the visual identifying the existing land use or future land use being Res 6, surrounded by Res 6. And the proposed future land use of P D, Plan Development.

2:11:55The applicant has submitted a sub-area plan to run alongside the PD Flu classification. Within the sub-area plan, there are four different areas identified, area one being located. to the uh west side, so area one. Area two. Area three being the internal and then area four being um your golf course area. So we'll go into some

2:12:26detail there. This is the proposed MPUD conceptual plan. You will also see this in the MPUD presentation as well, but it provides a little bit more detail for those areas. So the proposed conceptual plan, um, and this uh I apologize, but this will be repetitive between the comp plan and the uh MPUD, so I'll try to fly through this as best as I can. Um, proposed area one is proposed as a mixed-use trip reduction measure MUTRUM project. Um, proposed

2:12:56area one is including um let's see, 75. Square feet of commercial office or commercial retail office, 465 dwelling units of multifamily and 35 dwelling units of townhomes in this area. As you can see, there's also a Vision Road extension identified that the applicant and the MPD conditions of approval will discuss further about the construction and extension. from

2:13:26State Road fifty four to wire grass. Uh area 52, development area two will include a 25,000 square feet proposed uh office retail uh commercial component as well as 120 dwelling units in this area. Um this area is not act not intended to act as part of the Saddlebrook Resort community, but more so on an on its own. Um additionally, uh and again this will be Also represented in the MPUD.

2:13:57The applicant has submitted, I did submit your doc you documents via email earlier today, and I'll move to receive and file it along the MPUD to show that there is a proposed connection located at the intersection of Van Dyne and State Road 54. Um they have an alignment proposed and updated conditions of approval to speak to that component as well.

2:14:26And the proposed sub-area plan as identified here, so this is showing area three and four. Area three and four being your yellow area. Area three and four is intended to act as the tennis and pickleball courts with other similar outdoor racket sports, as well as area three B. So that was 3A is going to be your yellow area. 3B is going to be your resort itself with a clubhouse, restaurant, cart barn maintenance, etc. Those are all set forth

2:14:56in the sub-area plan. Additionally, area four, uh there was a restrict there were uh areas in the restricted restricted area four that speaks to the golf course, uh, renovations and reduction of Gulf horse holes to twenty-seven holes. Uh the proposed amendment um is uh Is proposing to relocate the driving range from Area One, which is in its current location being at the southwest or the northwest corner of the Saddleback Resort area and the entrance,

2:15:27to the southeast corner. As you see here, they're proposing to relocate the driving range. In the proposed sub-area plan as well as the MPD conditions of approval, the golf course is intended to act or be maintained. Maintained as a golf course and associated facilities only. There will be no other changes to that outside of this the use of the golf course and the facilities. So the proposed amendments consisted with the following comprehensive plan policies.

2:15:57And with that we recommend you approve the proposed comprehensive plan amendment and adopt by roll call vote. I'd be happy to answer any questions you may have.

2:16:07Amy um You sent us the other night a uh we just got the new plan for the new golf course layout.

2:16:13Correct. Um that was just a proposed just to be clear, that was uh the proposal for a pre-up that's scheduled for next week. So it could change, but that's just what they're they have submitted for the pre-application for next week.

2:16:24Okay. Thank you. Any questions for staff?

2:16:30Do they up again?

2:16:42Good afternoon, Barbara Wilheis, 2327 Grand Boulevard for the Applicant. What is that roll? What is it down?

2:16:54We dressed alike today.

2:17:07I guess I could fill this time for a moment, but um we do have some things for the record that I've already given to the clerk. One being the PowerPoint presentation you're about to see, and the second thing being the transportation comprehensive plan transportation needs assessment documents that are in the county's file, nothing new that the county doesn't have. I've given those to the clerk if he would receive and file before I forget about them.

2:17:30General motion?

2:17:34Oh

2:17:35my god, so.

2:17:38Regime five? Broke all vote.

2:17:42District One, Commissioner Oakley. Aye. District two, Commissioner Weightman. Aye. District three, Commissioner Starkey. Aye. District four, Commissioner Bradford.

2:17:52Commissioner Weightman.

2:17:54Sorry.

2:17:55Sorry, Barbara. Hold on Barbara. And then District Five Chairman Mariano.

2:17:59Thank you.

2:18:01As you can see here, we've been at this for a while. We've had quite a bit of community outreach and that's the the listing of the 31 plus meetings, seven town hall meetings, 15 meetings with three different groups since your BOCC hearing on 2-7. We have reached an agreement with the Saddleboro Condo Association Board of Directors. They represent 657 unit owners. and they have formally approved the private restrictive covenant between the association and my client. The agreement that sets forth my client's obligation to record

2:18:31this restrictive covenant upon approval, um assuming approval here, and that becoming effective um was signed by Mast and um the condo association yesterday. So Assuming this all move forward and this becomes effective, that community will be protected forever. from the ability of what has happened in many other places where a golf course is converted to a to a non-residential use or another residential use other than golf or open space. At each

2:19:01public hearing we send out a thousand notices, probably reach about two thousand people. We do that each time for every hearing and we update them with plans and narratives so they can see exactly what we're doing. I just described the public the private restrictive covenant.

2:19:18Why are we requesting the to amend the comp plan? We are not um the comp plan amendments not needed for the townhomes or the apartments. We can seek those under the comp plan as it exists today. The current multifamily the current comprehensive plan maximum is 1,779 residential units. Those could be single family townhomes and are multifamily. The Compoint Amendment is needed to allow for the resort and commercial retail office uses because the current residential land use conflicts

2:19:49with these uses. The other thing this Com Plan does is overly restricts my client. But we're agreeable to that. And we volunteered to do that to ourselves. So we took a land use that would allow 1,779 residential units, including units from a complan perspective, on the golf course, and restricted those units off of the golf course, not only through the comprehensive plan, but also through that private deed restriction. Are there existing entitlements under the MPUD? Yes, and they're listed there.

2:20:19Walking Village, Lakeside Village, Fairway Village, and Commercial. Hundred thousand square feet. So if you look at what's remaining in the MPD and what we're proposing, it's an increase of three hundred and seventy-eight units.

2:20:33The binding sub area plan. I've never done a binding sub-area plan. This was my first and I'll say there's many firsts when it comes to this project and the paperwork and what we've done. But this is our required PD concept plan. It's called a PD sub-area plan because it's binding. It sets forth where new permitted uses can be located, talks about them sets forth the maximum densities and intensities for area one and two, and it limits the new development areas 3A and 3B, and it restricts area four, which is the current golf course. This is the pi the C D the uh P D

2:21:03sub area plan that you're considering with um with this action on the comp plan? Update since your transmittal hearing? Since your transmittal hearing, you your staff sent the amendment to the Department of Economic Opportunity and Department of Economic Opportunity reviewed it and advised they didn't have any comments. Um that letter was received on May 5th. As agreed at the transmittal hearing, there was some confusion about our version of restricted area number four. And so we made sure, like we said

2:21:33we would, make sure the 27-hole golf course language is in restricted area four, we said we would do that, and we made sure that it was been carried through the documents. This is this is um development area one has been described by um by your staff.

2:21:49What I want to talk about with regard to development area one is and how it fits into context. Development area one is set forth on State Route 54 with is which is a major arterial roadway. But not only that, it also is next to your vision road and it in your the documents that we s gave you up to Dais, there is a map It looks like this. This is just a piece of that parallel vision system up there. This map here, this exhibit here shows you what this

2:22:19actually is gonna be. And you're talking about a major parallel road. And we're the red piece on here So we're like missing leg. Um wire grass is only obligated to do The um Vision Road H up until Y Rest Boulevard. So So not only are we at 54, we're actually at a major intersection. Traffic can come from Hillsburg County when the road's finished, come by our project, and then up all the way to State Road 52, as you can see on this exhibit. The

2:22:49other thing that's kind of significant too is that we were not only the we're not only preparing for not only going to do the missing leg that Wiregrass doesn't have to do, but we're also the missing right-of-way. because normally you would split the right of way for such a road between two property owners, but because of the alignment of where Vision Road H will continue north, It needs to be on the my client's property. So we're not only the missing leg on Wire Brass's property, but we're the missing right-of-way on my client's property, about five acres of property to achieve that vision

2:23:20road and to get it lined up so we can continue to go north and continue your vision all the way up to fifty t State Road 52.

2:23:30And this is the missing link going through wire graphs of your vision road. The other thing I wanted to point out uh is the buffering, the natural buffering that occurs between area one And the existing community, you can see the acreages there, the existing wooding area on the west side of Savabroof Way, about 20 acres, and on the east side, 2.77. So quite a bit of existing buffering. It's also that's important to context

2:24:00when you're looking at compatibility and density and intensity.

2:24:06Sub area this is the development area one. It's a village center, mudderum, um 75,000 square feet of commercial retail, townhomes, multifamily. Multifamily has to be located like behind the non-residential. I would say that the MPUD changes the townhome number, but we were under Strict do not change paperwork. So the comp plan still has the 35 uh townhomes because we couldn't change the paperwork. We can certainly, if that's the board's pleasure, change the paperwork to be consistent with the NPUD about the number

2:24:36of townhomes. What happened with the townhomes was when we were asked at Planning Commission to do a specific and enhanced buffer plan for Saddleburgh Way My client took a look at the concept plan, took a look at the town homes. And one of the questions we were asked of what is our buffering gonna be for townhomes that back up, directly back up to Saddleback Way? So Not asked by Planning Commission, not asked by staff, but looking at it and coming up with the best buffering plan for Saddlebrook Way, we've eliminated those units. So those townhomes that would have backed

2:25:06up to Saddlebrook Way are now gone and those will be additional green space as well as landscaping.

2:25:13Development area two, townhomes and commercial retail office, townhomes being behind the commercial retail consistent with your policies of how you want to see development along State Road 54. You don't want to see the residential on 54, you want to see it behind non-residential uses, which is the same thing that we're doing over in development area one.

2:25:34Area two is being added to the boundary and Our only access will be to and from State Route 54. We made sure that um pursuant to the to the request of the community that we have no uh bike pad or vehicular connection to Saddleburgh Resort to our south. And as stated by staff, we were asked to be a little bit more than a little bit of uh last week, late last week, by your county administrator to take a really close look to see if area two Could be um developed in a manner that it would have access to

2:26:04the signalized intersection and not be a right in and write out. And we did that work over the weekend. Your staff reviewed it over the weekend and we wrote a condition with the County Attorney's Office and your staff yesterday. So our Access from that development area to will be at the signalized intersection, existing signalized intersection, no right-in and write out.

2:26:27Area three A and three B are areas where um We're going to be limited in what we do in 3A as well as 3B. That's the purpose of this, is again to limit ourselves in our comp plan. This is the language for 3A. The language for three B

2:26:47Restricted area four. Again, we're taking on your comprehensive plan which allows envisions residential development development in all of area restricted area four and we're restricting it. um to golf course and open space. And the restrictive covenant even goes further because early on when we started working with residents and groups of residents and their council, because they were there's actually council that were engaged by the Condo Resort Condo Association. They said Not good enough to do that. 'Cause

2:27:17it only takes three votes to undo it. So that's where my client stepped up and I've never seen this before in all my career. A client who would restrict their property Through a restrict private restrictive covenant. They're committed to do what they say. And if it's not Actions speak louder than words and the action of signing that agreement yesterday regarding the restrictive covenant is an action that speaks louder than words. The restricted area for language has been reviewed before. These are the renderings uh for the entrance.

2:27:49This is the village center. All the things we've always aspired for um for a project to do and to bring a village center, a well um designed Um place. You have to to have uh specialty retail in the place where we all want to go eat. the Saturday night and our entertainment, you have to have density. They support each other. There's a reason why you see a development pattern. which we hear is not your preferred pattern where we just see strip Publix

2:28:20plazas and out parcels with China Express and all and Taco Bell and those types of things because they're serving regional traffic. There's not enough density and proximity to those use to those retail uses to be anything other than traffic oriented and regional oriented. So For this to be successful, it needs the density. And that's why it's been proposed as it is. We get criticized for not changing it, but if you change it, you don't have it. It won't be that place. It won't be the

2:28:50mudderum that the county has has asked for us to do. Again, another rendering. These are renderings for this project. These are not inspirational. These were done by the developer for what they intend to do.

2:29:05And this is a rendering of the townhomes. Now, you can see this rendering has two sides. By the time it was done, our area one had two sides, but they took off all of the ones on the left side in our concept plan. So there will only be townhomes on one side, green space on the green space, and landscaping and buffering on the other. And with that, thank you. We do have a presentation on the MPD. I don't know how you ought to ultimately want to hear 'em. Um some of the more details that you probably want to hear are in the MPUD, but

2:29:35we've had to keep the consistent comp plan and MPUD because I didn't know how you want to hear it, so.

2:29:40Um Pleasure Board, I think we got public comment on both items both ways. So do you want to hear b both of them back to back or just do one, get input, and then come back again for the uh

2:29:53And V U D after.

2:29:59The two I mean the they are separate, they're gonna be different arguments to each one, so I'll be looking at the right-of-way.

2:30:04I would I would prefer from a legal standpoint, I would prefer you take them separate. But if there but if there is but if there is something in that you think would persuade you one way or another in the zoning because that you want it that you wanna hear about But I would So it's just it's just clearer if you if you just do the lay this is a P D comprehensive plan amendment. You've got a certain amount of detail in it. Hear it. Hear your public comment on

2:30:34it.

2:30:35So let's let's do it that way and and we'll give you time to rebut as well as staff to rebut or

2:30:39I I've seen the applic I mean I've seen the uh the presenters and they have separate PowerPoints so it'll probably be easiest for all of you. Let's see.

2:30:48Commissioner Starkey.

2:30:49Um so we all have in front of us Rule 10 under public comment. I would ask the county attorney to read 10.3.

2:31:01Be happy to um

2:31:07The Chairman shall request public comment from speakers in order which they their name appears on the list. An individual speaker shall be given three minutes to present his his or her comments to the board. For public hearing items, persons who have been authorized in writing to represent an organization with five or more members. Members or groups of five or more persons shall be entitled to speak for up to fifteen minutes without interruption, provided that others in that organization

2:31:38waive their time Yeah. in i in the written authorization. Upon approval by the Chairman or majority vote of the board, a speaker's time may be extended. Hearings on zoning and other quasi judicial matters shall be conducted in accordance with Rule ten, Rule 12.1 in the same manner as such hearings have been conducted in the past.

2:32:01And um so I have been asking and asking the attorney representing What's the name?

2:32:09Same

2:32:10Saddleburg Coalition for the members of the coalition but um attorneys office has asked we've asked I've got nothing except that she represents a group so we don't have so our requirements here say that it's supposed to be uh in authorized in writing to receive five minutes or more or anyone a or anyone

2:32:40speaking for a group. These are our rules. So You know, I don't understand the reluctance to give us the names of the people in the group. Um Uh but I just wanted to bring this to your attention.

2:32:53Okay, so to help the board with that in I'll I'll answer if I Um The people she represents are afraid of retribution. Uh they wanted to remain ne secret. They w Why? Because they're gonna speak developers try to change the quality of life. So having said that, they asked when they signed up to re re be able to re name remain anonymous to go forward. So for that reason is why they're not giving you anything.

2:33:19That's like getting an argument in writing from someone they've they don't sign it. So I mean you got something but it means nothing without a signature.

2:33:28Okay. Well I'm I I'm gonna say the The list of people that wanted extra time. I'm gonna I'll go through 'em. Uh Mr. Swope has spoken before. Andrew Pines and his wife and their kids had spoken before. She's not feeling well. Um he wanted to speak. He actually sent an email yesterday. I

2:33:45don't have him on the list. Is there a

2:33:47different list? No, I d he didn't make he didn't make the list, but he he did ask me and His wife was not sure if she was gonna be able to come or not, so I says well if she can't come um I'll get you six minutes. Um

2:33:58Well couldn't we couldn't we do this we could ask 'em not to take ten minutes because Well they and they may if they're bringing to us if they're bringing to us what we've heard already two and three times We don't need to rehash that. We want to see where we are today 'cause there's a lot of things changed since the other times we've spoken on this item.

2:34:18I I think what we're gonna hear is be a lot of changes. I mean all of a sudden When the Planning Commission didn't get a presentation on the golf course, they've now submitted to Amy Highler, which sent to us that they've now submitted what the golf course is gonna be. We've been looking for the renovation program for how many months now? About a year? Seven months? That that we we heard it was coming from before that. It was just submitted last night at five thirty. Even though it was the dated July seventh. So evidently they're holding stuff back for us to get last second so we

2:34:48can see them all disjointed. I'm just trying to make it where these people that our lives are going to be dramatically changed get a chance to be heard. So I got Andrew Pine for six minutes. Sw uh Mr. Swope for five minutes. Patrick Hogan. He's gonna have a presentation about what could have been done instead. Uh Jane Ho Hagan, the the attorney. Larry Barbetta, he's spoken a few times. His wife doesn't want to speak. He's gonna speak. And that's just for item 54. The next one will be P 58. Uh Andrew again, he may not need his full time. Andrew Pines.

2:35:19Uh Patrick Hogan just needs five minutes here, ten minutes, uh for Jane f and then Uh ten more minutes for Larry. And they may not take it all, but they wanted to have it. And

2:35:29I

2:35:30never held back on the applicant to get all the time she wanted as well. And I won't hold it back from her bottle either. So I I just want to get it open. We're here, it's early. Let's get the dialogue going. Let's talk it through.

2:35:42Because that's that's what we're here for.

2:35:44I'm okay with the three minutes for each one, other than Jane, even though She didn't submit the names, she can get extended time. But I'm not okay with giving everyone just arbitrary extra time.

2:35:57Okay, so I'm asking the other two board members if you'll grant the children. Well you've already said what you wanted to do. Oh I'm sorry, la I'm sorry. Yeah. Sorry, yeah.

2:36:09Sorry, Commissioner Bradford there. So with that said, I'd like to give everyone as as it's on the list to give them the the uh Time to to talk to each item as as listed here.

2:36:19You want an opinion?

2:36:20I need a I need a motion.

2:36:21Well that one hour I talked about earlier, is it up for negotiation right now? Yeah.

2:36:28Mr Chairman M based on your rules, you grip You granted the time.

2:36:35Okay.

2:36:36I would not take the time away.

2:36:40Okay. If you all want to talk about how you do this in the future, we can we can do that in all business.

2:36:47Very good. Thank you. We're gonna

2:36:48have to amend this

2:36:48thing.

2:36:49Thank you, well thank you. Okay. Um

2:36:53So do you want me to call an order on the list?

2:36:55Jane, who wants to come up first?

2:37:15While you're waiting for that to come up, can you give your name and address for the record?

2:37:19Yes, good afternoon, Commissioner My name is Jane Graham, attorney and founder of Sunshine City Law, 737 Main Street, Suite 100, Safety Harbor. I do represent the Save Saddlebrook Coalition, a Florida nonprofit, open to individual residents and homeowner associations within the Saddlebrook Resort community, which includes both Fairway Village and the Saddlebrook property. Owners Association as well as 120, over 120 individual property owners.

2:37:50We have appreciated the opportunity to work with Mast and today you're here, this is your final decision. This is big picture and specifics. And so we want to walk you through things and we will not be duplicating the same presentation as before. We appreciate the extra time and we're going to make this go fast. First of all, I'd like to talk about something that I just learned five minutes ago. that apparently there's now going to be a signal And in front of development area too. Now we have had meetings with the county

2:38:20staff who had said that they a and MAST as well who said one of the reasons you can't shift density from development area one to two is because there wasn't a light. So this is something that we think should be looked at. Perhaps you would be able to shift some density from development area one to two. That's something that's new information. I think you should take that into account. The second thing that we just heard, which is different from what I had known, is that yesterday and I I do want to compliment Miss Wilhite,

2:38:51I've really appreciated the opportunity to work with her, I'd asked her if um the restrictive covenant had been signed. She sent the companion agreement, but not the actual restrictive covenant. So if the restrictive covenant has been signed at this point, that's news to me and that that would be good, but we've yet to actually see that. So for this future land use map amendment, this is a legislative decision. What does that mean? This is your last opportunity to decide on the future of Saddlebrook. And

2:39:21remember, you can make any decision on this based on what's not arbitrary and capricious. The county has a strong public purpose to renovate Saddlebrook and keep it as a unique tourist facility and economic driver in the area. The amendment, as you all know, replaces the driving range with four hundred and sixty-five apartments, now twenty-five townhomes, and retail. As a cascading effect, the driving range will be relocated to the golf course,

2:39:51and the golf course will need to be rearranged. and reduced to twenty seven holes. This result will impact the quality and profitability of the resort. Now The optimal solution would be to maintain thirty six holes of golf. Now we do understand that we've had many conversations and the restrictive covenant is 27, but we do just want you to understand that the optimal solution would be 36 holes. And if there are alternatives to still consider, we

2:40:22think you should keep an open mind. Why does this matter? There are comprehensive plan Sections and policies that require the promotion of tourism expansion. And so keep this in mind. This is this is important. Now, speaking about what are what's new from when we last spoke about this, this was sent up to the state, state agencies And DEO looked at it, they sent it back. Now You're still missing

2:40:52information that you actually are supposed to have by law. Based on Florida statute, you need to have the future land use plan amendment based on surveys, studies, and data involving these various items. There were no comments received by from FIRE and Emergency. When you first voted on it, there were no comments, and today there's still no comments on it. Meanwhile, it is in the news that fire is under stress in Pasco County. On top of that, there are impacts

2:41:22to police, and actually, in your agenda item, you do see a comment from the Mr. Chase Daniel. Annuals regarding the stress on Pasco County Sheriff's Office. I'm also including and I'm going to provide you a copy of this, a memorandum from uh 2021 from Sheriff Noko about just how stressed Uh multifamily development can cause what that can cause on the county infrastructure.

2:41:54And I mean I here's the quote here: similar to what I hear about your county services, the Sheriff's Office has a difficult job keeping up with the current demand for services that our current citizens ask for and deserve quickly approving multifamily development. only exacerbates the problem. As many of you know who sat up here several years ago, you did have a um an apartment moratorium. Now that moratorium, the boundaries were outside. Of where Saddlebrook is. That's true. It's it's not exactly where it is, but it's very

2:42:24close if you look at the map. and it only expired Um In twenty twenty two. where this is still, you know, an ongoing issue and again it's the burden on um for to have information that shows that this that this housing is actually supportable as far as the apartments versus having things like townhomes, you know, people being able to purchase, have you know, have their ownership experience. Another issue I wanted to

2:42:54mention, and I know I'm running out of time, is where's the green space? This is the updated um project which you know we we are grateful that there were some townhomes that were turned into green space. We think that that's good. However, I mean I think ultimately if you look at all the parking in the multifamily area, that looks like that's really a a big issue and and perhaps maybe townhomes should be relocated somewhere else and rethought. I'm also going to provide

2:43:24you a copy from Southwest Florida Water Management District, which I don't know I do not see in your your information that had been provided. It was a letter from May first in regards to the the amendment that said that, you know, based on the environmental aspects of this, there should be clustering development in upland areas, retaining naturally vegetated areas, and preserving previous, I think they mean pervious, surface areas. This is

2:43:54also important based on the P D land use that you are approving. It's, you know, taking away recreation areas, disrupting the golf course, um, which actually is exactly the opposite of what Flu two A asks for, to create flexible and creative site design and sites for recreation, providing an area wide benefit for the community. I've already gone through these multiple inconsistencies with the comprehensive plan. I'm not going to talk about that again. I think that you have that information

2:44:25already. Density and use, I mean, all of this said, because of the strain on infrastructure, we do urge you to look at what options there are to continue to reduce density in development area one.

2:44:40And focusing the development again on the core of the resort to the best extent of your abilities. This is known as a Mutterum project, which is supposed to be mixed use, promoting interconnected compact development. My client is very much in favor of that. I think the question is how does it play out throughout the whole resort? They would like to see other options that still have more within the core. instead of outside at the periphery. Again the density is too high. Ultimately,

2:45:11what are we asking you to do for this future land use? We want you to prioritize Saddlebrook Resort's unique role. It's an elite athletic facility. We know that it needs to be refurbished. Um we want to ensure that the new development is compatible and supported by the infrastructure. The coalition wants to be a good neighbor and make sure that this is that everyone flourishes in the future. As you're looking at this today and before you even get to the MPUD, you really need to ask yourself, how is this going

2:45:41to work? What impact is this going to have on the golf course, which could have a cascading effect on the tourism, on the quality of the resort, on the types of uses that can happen, on the internal circulation, on the green space, which I will get into with more about the dimensions, by the way, in if this goes to the MPUD, because that is an interesting conversation. But while you're looking at this now, just really ask. yourself what can we do to make this a little bit better? We have truly appreciated

2:46:11the opportunity to work with Mast. We have made a lot of headway. The restrictive covenant is a great step in the right direction. As I said optimally, there would still be 36 holes in the golf course because that would keep that would not force you to restructure things. Um and again, you know, this new information about the signal. at development area too. I mean we just have not seen anything about that. That's completely new information.

2:46:42That's fantastic if that's true because that could open up some opportunities to shift density or come up with some more creative solutions. So we do urge you to to have these conversations and see what can be done. Thank you very much. And also I have um some documents for the For the record, um I have a letter which was emailed and then I also have a number of um things that are copied. I actually the letter includes both comments

2:47:13on the Flume and the M P U D. So I mean I could put it in now or the M P U D, whatever you like.

2:47:24District one, Commissioner Oakley. Aye. District two, Commissioner Weightman. Aye. District three, Commissioner Starkey. District four, Commissioner Bradford.

2:47:34District 5, Chairman Mariano.

2:47:37So like Mr. Swoke next.

2:47:39I have a question, yes. Jane. Jane? Um you mentioned something about interior traffic. Right. And that you wanted to lessen the interior traffic. Uh-huh. So how far away from the Gulf The clubhouse area is the driving range.

2:48:01Well this is what I would say. I'm there going to be some other speakers who will really um discuss what that means as far as internal traffic. Now the driving range right now is up um on fifty four as

2:48:15very far away from the center of the golfing area, correct? It's not near where you tee off on one or nine.

2:48:24That's right. And I I think that Pat Hogan will be able to really explain

2:48:28that a lot more than I will. We're members of golf course and my son's members of a couple and have been to many golf courses and typically the driving range is n right near the clubhouse and where you start to golf. And I know my kids when they wanna go golfing and they wanna loosen up and start at the driving range. They don't have to drive all the way through a community to get to the driving range and then drive back.

2:48:59So I just thought it was interesting you said you wanted to you you thought this was you talked about internal traffic.

2:49:07Right. So the internal traffic is um less about the function of the golf course and more about during events and um kind of how things actually play out just for the residents. For anything involving golf, I will definitely defer to Mr. Patrick Hogan who um is you know, he has the expertise in that, so I I I can't claim to speak to

2:49:31So

2:49:31So

2:49:31is any any of the increased density that's proposed outside. Um are they automatically members of Saddlebrook?

2:49:42Sorry?

2:49:42Why why why does increased density outside of the gates of Saddlebrook translate into increased driving in Saddlebrook?

2:49:52Because of the way that it's been reconfigured and I think that you'll see um how um there will be some people kind of moving in and out of the um the entrance way.

2:50:06But that's something like that the goal.

2:50:07So are you saying that the residents don't want any outside traffic coming into Saddleburgh?

2:50:12No, absolutely not. And I think that the residents do understand that and it's it's something that they can testify to as far as you know how this actually plays out. Um now there is the vision road, which, you know, that will have a big help, um, but you know what we would maintain is that you don't necessarily need the vision road if you didn't have that increase of density right on area one to begin with.

2:50:41Well, I I don't understand how something outside of Saddlebrook Whether or not members of Saddlebrook increases traffic within Saddlebrook. That's just what I'm struggling with.

2:50:52Right. And we'll have some people that will speak to that because that they'll they'll talk about how it actually functions. Um I w I was there some

2:51:02Yeah, I I think the access if if they have access to go from the apartments to go to the gate to the right. That's all those trips are going that way. So if that axis is that way, which I think it is. They're gonna go that way. Even with Division Road built, what's gonna happen is those people going if they're gonna go let's say to 75, they're gonna go up Division Road. They're gonna go up there? Either take a right turn and cross three lanes real quick and do a U turn coming back? Well they're gonna go

2:51:28through. 'Cause I've heard people say

2:51:32it's gonna affect the

2:51:32right-of-way.

2:51:33I know. Just listen just listen to me all the way through. They're gonna do either do that turn motion or they're gonna go to the gate where they can go to light, take a left turn and be protected and go all the way through. And I think they're saying that that traffic is what they're talking about. In the resort is really by the gate coming out.

2:51:51By the light. At the light coming out.

2:51:54By the gate. Because they're gonna go through the internal part to get to the gate and saddleboard to go all be able to get the light to be able to take a left to go up.

2:52:02Yeah, the gate is being moved, so it's further down and that's why there will be a backup and that that's what the concern is. Thank you.

2:52:12Yeah. Okay, so the next individual signed up is Keith Swope.

2:52:18Yeah. Like it has the same display.

2:52:23He's got five minutes.

2:52:25You have Massa's turn?

2:52:29Oh yes, you are correct.

2:52:30But Hi, my name is Keith Swope, I live at [address removed]. I've been squared. Um kind of out of order, but I originally bought in Sally Brook in 1980. I built my house in '85. We bought, we were told there was 18 holes there, but the resort was gonna buy it. I was worried about the traffic at that time. I was told don't worry about it because we own half the way to the middle of the street. They would not be using our road. They had their own access so they were using. And as

2:53:00a resort opened that was went from the construction gate, we were making up. Didn't happen. We never got to use it. They never used it. Uh What One of the important things about Samarbrook is it was a peaceful, quiet lifestyle. As soon as you turn off the highway, see for yourself the mad traffic on Highway 54. It looks it it looks like that's gonna be changed now and that it's not gonna be for the better. Uh

2:53:31I call it too myself off, sorry. You've been shown the traffic problems at the front gate. Everything has been shown that happens. The resort is empty. But I've been there when it was always packed. I've been there when you could not pull into Sally Brooke. I've been there whenever an event was going on and it was a couple of blocks backed up, down 54, because you couldn't get in. You could not turn in there. Matter of fact, we didn't have a light right there, but a lot of times, but you couldn't you couldn't pull in or out.

2:54:01I don't think anybody's aware of because it's not been talked about in any of these meetings I've been talked about. When a resort is active. And they have an event. We don't have barking. The resort has no parking at all. And what they have to do is The parking lots they have to put back from over in front of my house. to the other parking lines, which you're gonna lose with that vision road now. So they're not gonna have any parking at all for the when they run the resort. Uh

2:54:32And the the Vision Road in in apartments

2:54:39I'm doing myself very often, I'm sorry. The Vision Road, as I understand or just heard, is going to be on Saddleback property. That is the main road they want to do to Highway 52. They're planning on having a Four lane road there for that? That's going to be the new Bruce B. Downs. Brisbane Dallas is what Five, six lanes now? They're g have you seen the intersection at Howie fifty six and Bruce B. Downs, you've got eight lanes

2:55:09there? You think you have enough property for that vision road on on those eight lanes? What are you going to do? Knock the apartments down to put the vision road in? Because you're not they're not going to be able to put on there. So there's not you can't jam pack it in there like they're talking about doing. You're talking about putting all those apartments. They're talking about putting quality apartments. Have you seen the apartments going on Bruce Downs? They're four-story, they're sticking stucco. They're not going to be able to do that. Plywood in the outside. I've been by there. I'm in

2:55:39roofing business. I know wood that goes rotted. None of it's been covered, it's been rain every day. That's gonna rot out before it gets built. There's nothing quality about that if that's what they're building. If they're going to build quality, build two, three stories. Build block. Build it put a tower roof on it, build it nice.

2:56:00I'm sorry but I throw myself off and got got upset and nervous about this, I don't do this very often. But I've been there for forty years. And in the forty years I've been there I I've seen a lot of things happen. And um We always had a fight with Mr. Dempsey, quite honestly. We had um Mr. Dempsey was there. They were going to build a access road for us. Never built it. You know, we had we got stuck with that. We wanted to put a speed

2:56:31bump because all the drunks were coming from Saddlebok and we wanted to put a speed bump in. We tried to get them in. County stopped us, said we can't put a speed bump in. uh we wanted to put a light in for four or five years. We want to put a light in. Mr. Dempsey would not let us put a rot light in. because he fought with the county and the county stuff up for him. The only way we got a light in was to give Mr. Dempsey like one and a quarter million dollars. to re rebuild the front entrance way and then he rolled

2:57:01over and said, Okay, you can have a light. We have not been able to get anything in people passed ever. Everything's always for the big money. Now it's with a big money again. We're just asking for a little help. Thank you. Thank you.

2:57:16Okay, the next individual is Patrick Hogan.

2:57:33Thank you. Uh Pat Hogan, [address removed], and I've been sworn in. I'm on the Board of Directors of the Fairway Association. I'm also a member of the Safe Saddlebrook Coalition. Today I'm speaking to you as an owner in Saddlebrook as well. When you go to the Saddlebrook website, you're invited to Dream and Play at Saddlebrook Resort. on one of our two honor Palmer signature signature courses. The Palmer name is worth mentioning as it carries weight in the minds of golfers.

2:58:03There's an expectation of quality. Arnold is considered the king of golf. He had a hand in designing the courses. They're part of the legacy of Saddlebrick. With the plans that are before you today, the Palmer name will disappear from any future Any future Saddlebook marketing. So will two uh eighteen whole golf courses at Saddleburg. Under the Mass Plan there will be three nines or three half courses as any golfer will tell you because playing nine is only playing

2:58:33half around. I'm speaking to you today to introduce an idea That could perhaps uh save the eighteen whole courses at Silabra. The current plan for the The apartment is to build a an apartment complex over the driving range, you've all heard that already. Consequently the driving rate's gonna be relocated, so we've all been through that. However, if you look at this another way, the way the way everybody went at it so far was uh, okay, we want to use the driving

2:59:04range. Where are we going to put the driving range? We look around Saddlebrook, there's no spot for it. Let's take some holes out and let's put a driving range in there. Instead of doing that, let's go the other way. Where are we going to put the apartments? Maybe leave the driving range where it is. And that's what I put up on the map here right now. Now I'm not I don't have I had a graphic artist work with me who happens to work for us and we put this together quickly yesterday. So instead of the the apartment buildings facing the the fifty-four, the apparent buildings

2:59:34are facing the the division road that are gonna happen there. What we did is we tried to be as close as we could. I can't say that the everything is exactly the scale there. But as you can see, the apartment buildings will fit in there. If you change the use of the apartment buildings to uh mid rise multi use You can see what happens. Now The uh the plans um The sketch shows the apartment buildings are located on the current footprint of the maintenance buildings. So

3:00:04we haven't ripped down any trees, we haven't affected the wetlands. We haven't done anything like that. So I'm just suggesting that there is another plan here that hasn't been considered yet. And with this plan, you can see that the driving range stays stays there, 18 holes of gall stay there. There's many, many benefits here, and I can have a small list of 16 here that I came up with. One is that there's less impact and more compatibility with the existing neighborhood of Saddlebrook. The

3:00:34sense of arrival at Saddleburg stays the same. The golf experience stays the same. There's two eighteen whole Palmer courses there. Tournaments can be still hosted at Saddlebrook. You go down to three nines, 27 holes. It's difficult to have a tournament and also have members and a golf academy have access to tease. Potential goal revenue stays the same. He's still working with two eighteen whole courses. The development of the of the apartment complex is

3:01:05no longer tied to the construction. Of two driving of the of uh relocating the driving range and renovating the holes. Now getting into the MPUD there a little bit, but that's still part of the impact of it. That's number seven. Number eight. Uh construction on the new compartment complex can can start immediately. You don't have to wait for to renovate the course or anything. Gol number nine, golf renovations can be timed to maximize their impact on the golf experience. So take certain holes out of out of

3:01:35play and the s in the slow season, renovate them and put them back in so that we have a full complement for the high season. The overall project time for for all the construction can be compressed. Number twelve, the P apartments can be built with even more floors without d detracting from the unnatural beauty of Saddlebrook because If you look at that. And uh Miss Wilhite mentioned that thou I think it was twenty-two acres of green space there between there and the and the residence of uh Saddlebrook. That stays intact. That's all there.

3:02:06So we're actually moving it more into an area that's even further buffered. Um Wetlands on the southeast corner of the resort will not have to be torn up and relocated to relocate the driving range. Traffic from the apartment complex is concentrated only on the Vision Road. Right now with the current plans there is an access from the apartment buildings to the what we call the WIA entrance into Saddlebrook. You can see that? Hang on a minute. I

3:02:36don't I don't even know how to run this. Oh there we go.

3:02:44Whoa. Uh oh. I may maybe I shouldn't I I don't I should have practiced a bit.

3:02:50There you go. Dega.

3:02:53At any rate.

3:02:56There we are. If you look in the top right hand corner, you can see where the townhouses stay there. You can see there's a note for townhouses in the platted uh with 25 dwelling units. There is an entrance there per in the in the the proposal there's an entrance there and that's what causes the traffic issues because a lot of traffic that's gonna go east are gonna go out that entrance and that'll stop the entrance and Even yesterday when I was uh driving around the course, uh in a certainly the low season, there was eight

3:03:26cars waiting for the light there as it is right now.

3:03:31Uh the plan It the plan also adds a service entrance down where the red line is. You can see there's also a service entrance that's in the mass that mass plan. That's a service uh for service vehicles to keep it out of um out of the normal traffic coming in there. And lastly, the membership could be offered to the apartment residents so they could enjoy uh Saddleburg as well. So there's many other benefits I'm sure. That's just uh sixteen that I happen to come up with with the help of my wife. I offer the plan this

3:04:01plan as an as an alternative to the current plan. Changes to a plan often come at an inopportune time, which this is. Here we are at the adoption hearing. and you got some somebody that can't comes up with and a light bulb went out, you know. So I worked with uh with Commissioner uh Mariano with the f on this plan. And um and it it seems like you know it's a final hour, but it here's the plan. Here's an alternative. Saddlebrook deserves a plan that preserves the legacy of the golf course. The legacy of the golf course of

3:04:31excuse me, of Saddle the Saddlework Resort is with two Arnold Palmer courses. In my opinion, it's a win win win for all involved. Thank you.

3:04:41And

3:04:41Pat, um

3:04:42just for the record, I did meet with Pat uh over the phone. Um actually met him in person, met with Larry, met with Jane, other coalition members as well. So I've I had constant communication whenever I got ideas. This idea come up after actually I left Sunday. from the uh resort and kind of drove out the service run I go, you know? Let me go take a look at this. So I kind of drove it down, took a video of it, and said, you know what? Let's take a shot. Let's take a look. I I salute you to reach out to your friends to draw this thing up and and come

3:05:12up with it the way you did. So great work. Thank you. Thank you.

3:05:16Alright, the next individual signed up is Larry Barbetta.

3:05:20Uh Larry's gonna wait. Larry is going to

3:05:22wait.

3:05:23Yeah, he's gonna go last.

3:05:24Okay, then um Andrew Pines.

3:05:36Six minutes.

3:05:39It's a heck of a picture you brought today.

3:05:47I'll I'll teach Commissioner Bradford not showing up.

3:05:52You're in the spotlight, Commissioner Bradford.

3:05:54You say that was a great picture they brought today.

3:05:59Hi, thank you thank you for this opportunity to speak. My name is Andrew Pines. I live at [address removed]. Um I am have been sworn in. Uh I am a resident at Saddlebrook. I'm a condo owner. Um I'm on the HOA board for the SPOA. I'm an active member uh with the Safe Saddlebook Coalition and I've been involved with the negotiations with Mass Capital. Um As we talked

3:06:29about There's a huge development already happening in Wesley Chapel. 24 multifamily complexes, 7,000 units in and around the area, eight of them within just a one or two minute drive already from Saddlebrook. 2,300 units already planned, haven't even been occupied yet. Uh This is what you're asking about as far as internal traffic problems. Today we have congestion in there. What

3:06:59the proposal today is asking to do is little literally double the number of residents at Saddlebrook. We want over five hundred units. There are not even five hundred homes in Saddlebrook today. So they want to double the overall density, but five hundred in that small space, while I commend them and while they've shown incredible beautiful renderings. My biggest concern is that everyone in Wesley Chapel's gonna wanna come eat here, shop here, hang out here. imagine the resort flourishing,

3:07:29which is the intention of all this, is to save Saddlebrook, bring the resort back up to uh its heyday. That place gets busy. As Keith pointed out, there's no parking. Uh the resort's flourishing, everyone's shopping, and you have five hundred new residential units all in here. Adding another lane is not gonna solve this problem. It's actually going to make the exponential problem, which also goes not just to traffic issues but safety issues as you heard from as you saw as they pointed out from the sheriff,

3:08:00emergency services. A a a huge nightmare could literally happen. The worst case scenario when people are trying to get in out of the resort, in and out of shopping and restaurants, and ho you know, another five hundred homeowners, forget about us who already live there. We can't be we wouldn't even be able to evacuate sh should we needed to. Uh the the new vision road. really is just there to solve the problem that they're creating. But the truth is they said it's mostly for service vehicles. So yeah, it might help

3:08:30a little bit, but w the problem we're talking about here is way beyond what the service road will be able to solve for. Um

3:08:40Commissioner Mariano pointed out that they really haven't solved for the flow of the traffic coming in and out of there. Major rigs would still have to try to U-turn on the fifty-four. Uh they really haven't proven how the traffic issue is really gonna be solved when you're forced to turn right onto the 54 uh coming out of there. You know, we see this all the time already internally, again to the point of this is our life now. I mean it and construction hasn't even begun yet. And they are also

3:09:10their route for all this additional is gonna be right next to the Cool. I mean all the poor students that are there are gonna be seeing big rigs flying through here every day. l literally on the road, you know, feet from where they go to school every day and where they're expected to walk to school. But those of us who walk our dogs, ride our bikes around the Saddlebrook Loop, I mean that w this is what we're gonna be living with, this is what we're dealing with, just to you know, support another you know, the huge development in Area

3:09:41One that they want. Um I don't need to rehash any of this. This is pictures of existing traffic. I had a video that shows how much traffic there is today. Um, you know, at the end of the day it just it doesn't work. They haven't proven that there's not going to be a major impact on the safety, the traffic flow, existing residents, our investment as homeowners and people who live there and

3:10:11Right. already make this our home. it it just doesn't work. And please, as as just shown to you, there are other proposals, there are other opportunities. We can certainly look at density issues, we can look at solving some of these problems. It just we need a little bit more time to get there. Uh I'm gonna stop here. Thank you for your time. Look forward to speaking on the the M P U D whole separate issue around the condos as well too. So I'll wait for that. I'll save the time.

3:10:43Okay then I'm gonna call the next two individuals signed up. Um first is Nancy Foster, then Barbara Thurberg.

3:11:02Yeah.

3:11:06Nancy Foster, [address removed]. I'm the first house when you come in. I've talked to you about that. So I will be very affected by what is going on. And I believe I showed you that before that my house is right over here. And then the gate's going to be moved closer to my house here. I notice that the ponds are here and they're putting in a swimming pool and a clubhouse here. So then I have this kind of

3:11:36noise level coming through. So that is a concern to me because I didn't move there in order to have this happening. So what I have here, the benefits of living next door to the golf range now, serene entrance. I know they're putting a buffer in. I do not know if that buffer is going to be sufficient to have that, you know, feeling when you come into Saddlebrook of calmness. Uh traffic flow going by my house. Everybody

3:12:06has to go by my house to come in, and that has increased immensely. Can only hear the ping of the golf ball club. Now I'm not going to hear that. I'm going to be hearing probably noises. Um restaurant thing noises coming in, traffic flowing in the parking lots and things like this. This will be my hearing, I guess. Uh I've been listening to the sounds of nature, uh limited uh lit area at night which is so uh peaceful and now I know there'll

3:12:36be more light in that area which will probably overflow in our where I am. It's extremely quiet in the evening. Yeah. Okay. Uh what will change? Busy entrance, of course. Andrew just t uh told you about that. Increase in traffic noise, including delivery trucks and additional residents and visitors. I had a delivery truck, I have a bird, by the way, at home. And I had a delivery truck come and we were cleaning

3:13:07the cage and it made such a noise that he flew into the woods. Considering he's freed, I was lucky to find him. But we do have loud noises coming on the trucks. I you can hear the sounds of nature outside when this happens as much. Commercial parking lot and building lights where it was dark at night. Establishments open late hours attracting possible crimes and maybe you know drunk driving if they're open late on the streets where people want to walk for an evening walk.

3:13:38Also I kinda wonder with all these apartments coming in and houses and we hear about, you know, how Pasco's going to grow. These people wanna play golf too. D will they wanna come to uh Saddlebrook? if we don't have we only have twenty seven homes. Is that going to make them want to come? I mean I'm sure uh the adults coming in would like to have their inter entertainment and they go to an Arnold Palmer golf course and hear it's not what they expected. Are they going to enjoy this resort? I would

3:14:08love to see the re resort uh flourish to uh maybe it's upgrading and maybe add some things, let's attract more people who are moving in into Pasco County to want to be here and enjoy what we enjoy living here. Thank you very much.

3:14:27Thank you.

3:14:37Good afternoon. I am Barbara Thunberg. My husband Alan and I have been living at [address removed], since July of 2002. We have been following the discussions and negotiations between Mass, the Saddleburgh community, and Pascoal County with interest. Negotiations have progressed with good outcome, including the deed restriction. The relocation of the golf academy. and the need to address traffic issues

3:15:08that development will cause at the entry to Saddlebrook excuse me in the community. The agreement to transform Vision VII into a real road will be key to the success of the development. We note that the resort is considerably busier than it has been in the past several years, and that some cosmetic improvements have been made, and really this should please most of us. The continuing concerns of the Saddlebrook residential community is the impact of area

3:15:38one. particularly the planned density. In the proposed plan. A number of suggestions have been offered. One. Um Maybe the number of apartment units could be reduced. Maybe 300. This would decrease the amount of required asphalt parking For the residents. Two? If four hundred and sixty apartments are absolutely necessary Perhaps the it could be redesigned to

3:16:09provide four five story buildings. with planned parking on the first level of at least some of the buildings. This would allow, this would reduce the acreage needed for asphalt parking and allow for more green public area.

3:16:27It's hard to understand why it is desirable to transform So much of Wesley Chapel into an urban complex dominated by so many, and I do mean many, apartment complexes. If Saddleburgh residents wanted to live in a densely populated area. I think that most would have chosen to live in Miami, Orlando. Or downtown Tampa. Yes, masked owns cell of resort, including area

3:16:57one, and they will proceed with whatever they are allowed to do. We ask that the Planning Commission assess the project carefully. Can a compromise in density be pursued? Given that concern, we recommend that the Board votes to approve this application. Thank you.

3:17:21Okay, the next individual signed up. I'm gonna call the next two is Robert Real and Lily Zoo.

3:17:39Good afternoon. My name is Greg Reely, not Robert Reely. I think he's gonna speak after me, but I'm on the list. I live at uh [address removed]. Um I have been sworn and I have uh lived at Saddlebrook since January of 1987. I actually started coming here in 1981 when I was still a student. So I've seen it for all these years. As well as being a resident for all those years, I've also uh I'm a member of the Dempsey family, Tom Dempsey family, and

3:18:09I have uh worked at Saddlebrook for over 30 years in variety of capacities, executive vice president. President, general manager of the resort, president of Saddleburg Sports, including the school and general counsel. So I've seen things come and go over the years, and I know the history of Saddleburg, and I know the business model of Saddlebrook probably better than anybody at this point. What I I've already written to you and expressed and spoken before about my um the my f my support of mass development

3:18:39plans. as well as uh provided you letter from Mr. Dempsey uh the same ti with the same uh meaning. Um I'm not going to reiterate all of that, but I did want to say a couple of things about it. Uh we still own, uh the family still owns uh eight properties within Saddlebrook, including a lot right at the on the entrance road at uh the intersection of uh of uh Fox Hun Drive, that's where the T intersection is as you come into Saddlebrook. We own that so we're basically next door to Nancy Foster here. Um we

3:19:10also own two acres right across the exit from Saddlebrook. So if I felt that m what mass development plans were going to do would be uh deleterious to our family interest in those properties, I certainly would be saying so. Well not nothing is perfect Um, I can tell you I was involved in every aspect of the sale of Saddlebrook. Uh, I sometimes say selling a destination resort uh during a pandemic is not for the faint of heart. Um, it was quite a difficult thing to get through, but I knew what every every buyer wanted to do. And one of the reasons we selected Mast

3:19:40was they were going to try to maintain the legacy of uh of Mr. Dempsey and Saddlebrook, and I think their plans to do that very well. Well, um when I look at the question of uh density up in Area One, I see it uh slightly different than I suppose most everybody else does. I see that uh Area One now as a buffer uh between the hustle and bustle of State Road fifty four and the resort. It's really outside of the resort, uh according to the way their plans will be done. And I will add too

3:20:11about some of the comments about The driving range, that was driving range location there on 54 was never the long-term intent of the legacy owner of Salbrook. We always intended to buy land to the South. We were unfortunate to do that. And insofar as the 36 holes issue has been concerned, which Mr. Hogan and others have spoken about, um, 36 holes is simply not viable at Saddleback. It hasn't been viable. It was one of trying to maintain 36 holes was one of the things that made uh a lot of financial stress upon it. It's

3:20:41just too expensive to run a golf course, couldn't maintain the rate, couldn't maintain uh the the uh the a number of rounds that you needed to make it successful. And uh I would also venture to say that with respect to traffic inside uh uh uh Sethrook, as you mentioned, uh Commissioner Starkey, those golf carts are a real problem driving around Sadarick. I live in the very far back of Laurelwood, um subdivision, the very far back of Fairway Village, and I constantly am stuck behind golf carts trying to get when I try to

3:21:11go in and out. So it is a important to get those golf courts off golf cart off the roads as much as possible. Um Insofar as density again is concerned up in Area One, what I said to you before, and what I reiterate again today, is the most important thing from my perspective is that MAST is successful with its development plans. I want to see that village center built out there at Area One. I think that is going to be crucial to the value of the properties we own as well as everybody else's.

3:21:41And I think that density is necessary. in order to to accomplish that particular objective. Um I would also differ with some things my my friends here have said regarding um the traffic light. That was something Mr. Dempsey fought very, very hard for and I just want to say on the record that went to the state with we and I was involved with it. We did quite a quite a lot of work to try to get that traffic light put in there twenty years ago. The traffic was far, far worse back at that time. Yeah, let me see if I've forgotten anything else to say.

3:22:14Yeah, I and I I guess the last thing I would just say is that I feel like whether there's three hundred and sixty-five units in area one uh or there's four hundred sixty five units in area one, frankly from my perspective it's it's immaterial. Um it's it's be I it'd be nicer to have three sixty five or some other lower number, but from my perspective it's more important they the the need for the financial success of Mass to do this development is more important than another fifty or a hundred units out there. I think it's in the

3:22:44in the scheme of things it's r just not a big enough consideration. Uh thank you very much. Thank

3:22:50you. Thanks, Greg.

3:23:04Um I've been Sworn. Uh I live at [address removed], and my name is Robert Dempsey really. Uh the Dempsey part is actually a little bit important because I'm the grandson of Tom Dempsey, the you know founder, creator, and former owner of Saddlebrook. Um I don't think there's anyone that has done more to uh to build Saddlebrook to see its success or sacrifice than our family has. Obviously we've owned it for Over forty years our entire family owned it as a family business. Um I've worked there uh since I can remember about

3:23:34um I started at about sixteen years old. I attended the the Golf Academy. Um everything that my family's ever done, every every meal we've ever eaten has been a business meal, um, talking about what's going on at Saliburg. So it's been a big part of my life forever and I I'd like to reiterate I don't think there's Anyone that cares more about Saddlebrook than myself, which is why I have not spoken to any of these meetings, even though I've attended all of them, because I was trying to see how things were gonna play out. But I think this is the right time for me to say something because I

3:24:05have seen mass plans. I think that what they're doing is crucial and essential for the success of Saddleburg, which is all I want to see. Everyone in my family, except for two of us, have left Saddlebrook. I'm one of the only two that are left. Um the only reason that I stayed is because I want to see the legacy continue. I want to see it grow and prosper. And I think that uh the growing Saddlebrook with this development plan is the only way to do that. Um I went to the golf academy, I played golf, I'm okay. I

3:24:35I I was like everyone else here hesitant to go down just one twenty-seven holes. But if it means That the 27 holes that we're left with are better conditioned. They are a prime golf course with the same, you don't lose the training facility because it's shifted. I know from our business, as my father just stated, that running two golf courses is very expensive. So when people come up here and say, Well, having 36 holes is more profitable. No, it's not. Isn't and

3:25:05I don't understand how you could say something like that if you did not actually know that. You know, we've worked in it our entire lives. That will save you money by only having to do 20 maintain 27 holes. And one of the other things that I noticed on the on the other proposal that was shown by Mr. Hogan is that actually is the academy and the employee parking. Which you know Mr. Swill pointed out, there is not enough parking, so you're gonna have to get rid of the academy

3:25:35and the parking if you wanted to do that. Um so again, I don't think that that proposal actually works. Um and again, if if I thought that this plan was not in SALIWIC's interest, I would be the loudest voice against it, but all I want to do is see SALILWRIC succeed and This is how Celibrix succeeds. Thank you.

3:25:56Okay, miss you.

3:26:00She she asked a waiver comments. Okay, so then the last individual signed up is Larry Barbetta.

3:26:09So is there anyone else going to speak to this item? Watch watch the ladies come on up.

3:26:22Hello and thank you for having me. My name is Pimata Rosecott. I live at [address removed], and I was born in with everybody here. Um I wanna talk

3:26:33basically about my experience with Saddlebrook. I'm gonna be celebrating my Vincentnial um anniversary of being a resident of Wesley Chapel, so that's 20 years. I have also been a business owner for about 10 years um in Saddlebrook. So I raised my daughter, I have grandkids coming around, and one of the things that we always remember is going to Saddlebrook for Mother's Day and different things and my kids like going to the pool and

3:27:03so it's always been part of our like traditions and everybody here talks about traditions and how long we've been here. But we want to keep it here. And one of the ways that we best keep it here is with change. One of the changes that they did was to bring me in. I am now the spa director at Sado Brook and one of the things that we worked really hard, Mass and I, is to keep the tradition of the spa itself while refreshing it and bringing it back to life. And I think that's basically what the

3:27:33whole project is. is maintaining it but bringing it back to life. Being able to give it the best possibility for success without having to change too much on it. But the change is inevitable. Wesley Chapel has changed. I've come from a time where Wesley Chapel was cows and manure to like three malls. So it's not that change is bad. Change has to happen. for us to grow and for there to be vitality in our community. We've had

3:28:03different um golf courses that have gone under because they didn't want to change. We had Quail Hollow, went under. We had um Pebble Creek went under. If we don't want to go under, if we want to maintain our community, we have to change. We have to embrace it and we have to work together. I work with Mass now. It's gonna be going on a year. It was six months of courting and six months of working together. And I will say that they are very receptive to opinions when you

3:28:33have them as long as they make sense. Um there were things that we battled back and forth and then we would sit and it's like this is how it makes sense and this is how it's going to be best for the overall group. And it happens. And I think that um saying that, oh, it's because it's always been that way is the one way that something is gonna fail. We have to say what it's been and how we're gonna change it to maintain it. And that's it. Thank you very much for listening to us.

3:29:09Good afternoon. I am Hope Kennedy. I am the president and CEO of the North Tampa Bay Chamber. We do have a new address for the record. It is 28-210 Paseo Drive, suite number 190 in Wesley Chapel. 33543. I am here today on behalf of our board of directors and our 610 members advocating in support of this project. This is the type of project that communities around this country are dying for.

3:29:40They would be thrilled to have this kind of investment coming into their community. Saddlebrook literally put Wesley Chapel on the national and international map. And they have been a contributing force in tourism and commerce. as with any asset, it must be nurtured and constantly improved upon. for us to continue to prosper as a region, We must evolve. We the Chamber applaud Mass Capital

3:30:10for their vision to improve the crown jewel of Wesley Chapel. They have gone above and beyond. To ensure the legacy of Saddlebrook continues. We thank them for investing in our community. and ask you to approve this project and remove any bias or bureaucracy from further delaying the vital improvements needed. Thank you.

3:30:38Is there anyone else? Okay, Larry you'll be the last one for public comment. Unless there's anyone who will WebEx.

3:30:44Uh there's did he ever show up? No, there was no one on WebEx.

3:30:48Okay.

3:30:59Hello everyone. My name is Lawrence Barbetta, Larry. I live at [address removed], been there a little over a decade. So thank you all for your time today. We're gonna go, since we've got a lot of stuff to talk about, we're not gonna waste our time. Right now in commenting on the overall land use there's a few things that I wanna bring up. Um probably the biggest thing that is new information that we were really excited to hear about is the

3:31:29greater access into area two that was just shared today. I think that opens up some interesting opportunities for us to consider how to have a win-win where we get The density but possibly measure it or manage it in an appropriate way. Currently area one has about thirty five acres Roughly thirty-two buildable and there's seventy-five thousand square feet of commercial. There's um now there's just under five hundred. There's

3:31:59four hundred and ninety uh apartments in townhomes. Plus there's parking and I believe the rule is something like two point two or something I um spots per unit is my understanding. I could be wrong. But in other words, more than 900 parking spots in the current configuration. Again, we're concerned about what that does for the gateway into a four to five star resort. We're concerned about the impact on the community, and we're concerned obviously about the loss of green space. And again, I don't

3:32:29want to come across inappropriately, but If we were building a four to five star resort from scratch, Would we conceive that the way we'll enter it is through an apartment and retail complex? Okay. I mean and when we look at the comps cited by mask and who they compete with, that's not the same experience. So that would be something I I believe in progress. We are thankful for the time we've had to work with mask. We're thankful for the collaboration. We mean that sincerely and we're

3:33:00thankful to the commissioners for giving us that opportunity. We're at, you know, the 11th hour. Later we'll talk about the MPUD and rezoning. But at a high level, there are some bigger issues here and there might be some interesting opportunities where we make this still beneficial for MAST. but also more sensitive and compatible with the Saddlebrook Resort. And make sense for the community as well. We also would encourage things, and we'll talk about this more in the rezoning, about accelerating the pace. of the

3:33:30renovation of the resort. Because that's what this is about. We didn't buy Nobody bought empty land. They bought the Saddlebrook Resort. which has worked hard to establish a world renowned reputation. We all know its current state. We're all saddened by its current state. We all support Mass's efforts to bring that back. to what it should be. We want to help accelerate that. And we think plans and conditions later that we'll talk about that accelerate that and align that would be in

3:34:00the best interest of everyone as well. Um I'm gonna be very short right now. If you have questions for me, Feel free, but I want you to consider that as you look at the broader land use and I look forward to speaking with you later about the MPUD.

3:34:19Any questions?

3:34:21Okay.

3:34:22Well I would

3:34:23just

3:34:24I guess I do have to

3:34:25Commissioner Starkey go ahead.

3:34:26Slide. You know, when you guys are proposing I guess w the thought is you would put apartments along the road And leave the Um

3:34:42Practice.

3:34:44Driving range.

3:34:45The driving range up front, away from the clubhouse.

3:34:51that doesn't that mean you're taking away all the parking and so then you would just kill the ability for them to have a fence there like when we had the governor there? So I I I just think that idea just sinks Saddlebrook into Melissa. When you can't act have events like they can happen.

3:35:15Are you addressing that toward me, Commissioner? I'm just curious.

3:35:18In general.

3:35:19Okay. Um I'm not sure I'm the best to answer it, but what I would say is what I think Mr. Hogan presented as a resident. was just the idea that there may be some other possibilities and that this is a very big decision. We're not trying to act like amateur land planners, okay? And I think Pat was speaking to that. Pat can speak. How long is the drive from the To the driving range, Pat?

3:35:42Roughly two minutes and fifty seconds. So when you look at the other course, which I think Pat will talk about in the layout, there's going to be other driving challenges as well. Um what we're trying to say.

3:35:53I think Pat knows the answer too. What was it what was the driving distance from the new to the new driving range? Is it like a minute ninety?

3:36:00Maybe it's over a

3:36:02minute.

3:36:07Oh you can't answer from there, sorry.

3:36:09He said He said over a minute depend from

3:36:15Correct. There's other places again with the routing that Pat will discuss, I believe, and the distances between holes, and that is a significant change and adds time too. Again, what we're just really trying to say, I think what Pat was trying to convey is that if there's an opportunity where we could have less intrusion. In terms of the impact on our community. existing compatibility, nice entry, and end up with thirty six quality holes, that

3:36:45would be even better than twenty seven. That's that's what the idea was with that communication. And that's again a y a broader statement. Okay.

3:36:57Thank you all very much.

3:36:58Talk to you soon. Sheena? Do you have my picture?

3:37:09So one of the groups of people I met with were at one time playing out there was uh from Coral Springs and Um they've been coming to Saddlebrook 16 of the past 24 years. And they tried a couple of the courses but they always kept coming to Saddlebrook and they loved it. Uh they played the Palmercos and then they played it again because they liked it so much. When the new design we've been trying to get um It finally got released to Amy. Amy Amy Amy, you just got it the other day or how long have you had this?

3:37:40Amy Haler Planning and Development. Um so our team reviews pre applications every Monday. So we were aware of it on Monday. So it was scheduled. I I don't know when it was scheduled, but it's for next Tuesday. And since our team was able to review the pre applications, um we noticed it and figured we'd go ahead and send it out.

3:38:03Okay. So Again, we've been waiting for a plan for a long time. We knew they submitted or presented a plan to Um the others but never been a presentation. I'm wondering if Mass wants to talk about this plan. Barbara you got a chance to come up and talk? You want to talk to the plant or have someone talk to the plant? The new running of the golf course?

3:38:42Burber Will Height for the applicant. So a couple things. March 31st, around the end of March, there was a town hall meeting with the members of Saddlebrook Resort. this was what's shown to them. So this isn't last minute. At the Planning Commission, this Hilard probably forgets, but the Planning Commission agenda item included this. So again, it's not new. It's been around since March 31st. So But I do not intend on discussing it because

3:39:12it has nothing to do with my land use amendment. The County Attorney stated at the Planning Commission that our golf design has nothing to do with our land use amendment or our rezoning. It's not relevant. So I spoke to him last night just to make sure because I would never say anything that your county attorney has said to you. If I'm not sure that's what he said at the public hearing. So

3:39:32Let me stop there for Let's Let me stop there for a second. So So let me let me ask the county attorney a question. So back in nineteen seventy four, nineteen eighty five, this plan gets adopted as an MPUD. The people see what they're gonna get plugg for a plan for a golf course. Even if it's changed later on another part of an MPUD. With what the people saw and what the people had rights to, they have do they have certain expectations to expect they're gonna see a thirty-six hole golf course? Did that do they have rights? Or

3:40:03is it just one one?

3:40:05Most decisions on golf course conversions have not gone in the homeowners' favor unless there were specific covenants and conditions that were granted to them in their approvals. And that would be a civil matter between the homeowners and the golf course. Yeah.

3:40:31Sure.

3:40:33Okay.

3:40:37So may I do rebuttal?

3:40:41This would be your I'm gonna ask about the golf course so you can either have them talk about it or I'll just I'll just talk about it. However you want to do it.

3:40:49Yes, I see that you're testifying here, Commissioner.

3:40:51What's that?

3:40:52I see that you're testifying here. So I guess that'll continue, but yes, I'm d wanna note it for the record. Um very unusual. So I don't know Uh what order you want? Normally after the public speaks, then staff has a chance and Mr. Karbala has said that he wants to make sure that we follow proper order. So I know there's been a lot of compla consistency conversations, so I don't know if Mr. Pitos de Penz d is going to talk to that. But I would like to keep it in some kind of order here. I'm not in charge.

3:41:20But I do have a certain right-of-way.

3:41:23Okay,

3:41:24thank you.

3:41:24Sorry to take you out of order.

3:41:34Terry Pitos is gonna come up and respond.

3:41:53Good afternoon, Commissioner Oakley Os Pitos, Planning and Development Department. Um there has been uh

3:42:02a number of presentations over the past couple of months with regard to the consistency analysis and I've commented on the consistency I think at the transmitter hearing um s with regard to some of the the flus and the objectives that were um highlighted previously so I'll just echo those uh and not repeat them here. Um but there were a couple of new things that did come up come up About in the course of the planning of the project here, which is uh fairly common and and typical for

3:42:32new things to come about as we try to work through various problems. So the first item that I wanted to quickly talk about was the signal that was at Band Dying State Way 54 with regard to area two. So um it was noted previously in testimony that um there was That staff had said that the density could not be shifted because there wasn't a signal there. Um actually the intersection was not studied at the Complan level. That's typically not something that we're looking

3:43:02at in terms of that sort of detail. Uh, because um, well, we don't go into that detail, but staff had noted that one could put density at area two, but we would need to pay close. attention to how access would take place on State Road 54. During the course of the deliberations and the negotiations on the conditions of approval for the MQD, which is the next item, there are aims we did look at because we do craft conditions of approval that

3:43:32attempt to address uh turning movements and access movements uh To the subject properties that are before the board for zoning considerations. And uh we looked at the van Dyne and how we could potentially uh require the self-leg to that intersection. And so that was part of the weekend work that took place where we a an exhibit was provided to us, we assessed what But do

3:44:03the geometries of the exhibit uh generally work and could the site plan accommodate the land uses that they were proposing? And it looked like it could, and the condition was cracked and was thereby included in the revisions that are part of the MPUD record now. But uh we still maintain that the greater density should locate at Stable 54 and Bruce. Down at the future Bruce B. Downs intersection, that's the better location because there are multiple ingress and egress options

3:44:33for that area. So the whatever traffic may occur within that little mudderum node is going to be better dispersed on 54, on Bruce, and on Bruce B. Downs ultimately to wire grass and beyond Boulevard. In terms of the commentary from the public safety agencies. Um

3:44:54stand up just for a second. So I met with you and staff on Friday. We looked at a lot of different items. That was one of them that came up. Over the week I actually got to hit the Planning Commission with actually brought up the same items that Didn't seem to take any work. So I appreciate your work on Friday. going through to get that approved to make that light intersection. Because it would have made no sense to have the intersection or the entryway any further to the west because that would have made people just going out there, crossing three lanes, taking a U turn. And with that lineup the way it was, I'm glad to

3:45:24see these guys acted on that to get that to happen. And I appreciate the applicant actually looking at that and making that happen. Well that's a good thing. as as that came out. So that's an improvement. When you talk about the traffic now let's go let's go talk about you just said the access in and out. When you have a development of over 600 units, you have to put in a second Entryway, correct? That's correct. Now I don't know if you consider that second part of the thing as traffic that you need because nobody can get

3:45:54there. I mean as as Staff says it's an isolated project on Area Two. It's not connected whatsoever. So it needs a standard on its own. But on the four hundred and sixty five area where the entryway is, is the connection where people are gonna be able to go up the vision road, taking a right turn in, right turn out?

3:46:15Uh the the connection is yeah, the connection would be to the west, which would be onto the future of Bruce B. Downs. From there, um somebody could travel north to fifty four and do the right-right out until that becomes a full full proper intersection with signal etcetera. Or they could turn south and head out to eventually Wiregrass uh Boulevard and then make their north and south movements on that road.

3:46:39Now currently though, the way the plan is set, can people from the apartment complex go to the right and go the entrance in Saddlebrook Way and go to that light and go out?

3:46:49uh I think I'm gonna that's what the conceptuals are showing.

3:46:53The way it's designed. Okay.

3:46:55Yeah, th there's the uh

3:46:58Okay, so so all those people are either gonna make a decision. Is this get started? They're either gonna go out on Saddlebrook way where the light is? where they can have the dual left turn lanes to go right or left and get out. Those that want to go the other way are gonna go out the other side. And either Battle battle light crossing through lanes or to to get out there. So mostly people that go right they'll probably go that way. But anybody going left is pretty much would you say Gonna go out to the light, take the left and go. Right now you've got a lot of trips out in front. And

3:47:28I know we had so we had a long battle and talking about with traffic studies with the whole team about the data, the data, the data, the two percent, etcetera, how it accounts for everything. And even though the data says it's okay for traffic When you look at the reality, when you look at the testimony of people here and you see all the traffic that's out there and now you're gonna add four hundred and sixty four more trips, does that affect your decision making whatsoever?

3:47:54Um

3:47:57I w the thing is that there's going to be an interim condition until the Bruce B. Downs 54 intersection is fully established. Uh and

3:48:09but but Terry. There's traffic now. Before this even comes in.

3:48:14But there's going to be an an alternative exit point that if somebody doesn't want to sit in that traffic they can circuitously get out if they need to. So advice circuitously I'm talking about heading out to Wiregrass Boulevard or their west.

3:48:27Alright, but let me let's go back. With what's out there right now, not any development going on whatsoever, there's a lot of traffic out in front. Right? You've heard the residents say it many, many times. So right now there's traffic anyway. Now you're gonna take and add four hundred and sixty four more units to add into the traffic that's right in the core of everything else as well. That you don't think that's a factor?

3:48:47Uh based on the studies and and the other thing.

3:48:51I told you the studies show we're okay.

3:48:54It can't be my decision though. Uh it has to be on the on the studies.

3:49:02There's there will be two exits, not one.

3:49:08So I don't know if he you know, y you wanna say that four more times. There'll be two exits, not one.

3:49:15And there's more traffic already, it's gonna only get more traffic. Go ahead, Sari.

3:49:21Um so just to move on to the next point that uh was brought up with regard to some of the commentary from the public safety agencies. Um the reception of no comment does not necessarily does not mean that the those agencies did not review, they just did not provide any suggestions to influence the project further. And the no comment, at least on our part, is understood As it being acceptable to that agency by acclamation. So they're they're not making uh a statement to

3:49:51make a change or to influence the outcome of the project. They're saying this is a project, we recognize that it's coming up. Can you Jerry, can you move the mic a little bit? Oh I'm sorry. I'm sorry. Do I need to repeat that or is that okay? Is that okay?

3:50:03It's been all day, so I think the volume's turned down.

3:50:07So right, so as I was I'll briefly repeat

3:50:10Well hang hang on one I'm gonna go over that comment. You you just said that all the comments that were made, everyone says no comment.

3:50:17No, th we re there were some comments that were received that said no comment, but that doesn't necessarily mean that they didn't review the project. It simply meant that they accepted the project by acclamation. They noted the fact that the project was gonna happen and they didn't have anything to say that would influence the outcome of the project or to make a change to it.

3:50:37In that standard pretty much procedure f in the past year would you say, two years, how many comments do you ever get back from DEO or the rest? What what's the percentage?

3:50:47Yeah well I'm the question's really not DEO. The question because DEO is reviewing if you want to if you want to argue at DEO They would be looking for the d data and analysis to see if there was if there was a gap in it. And they've said that they they basically have no comment so which as a lawyer I would say means the application is sufficient. for state review purposes. The

3:51:17question that the Terry ne I guess needs to answer or or Barbara is

3:51:25The things that the the fire and Um um Emergency services, police services that Ms. Graham is alleging is unsupported by the required data and analysis. Was there data and analysis for this application?

3:51:47The data and analysis that the planning development department received was and reviewed was shared with the other agencies. They reviewed that information and provided the comments that they provided. So uh as it relates to DEO they accepted the transmittal and did not require any additional information for the project in their review. Um and then as far as um the density in area one, th this is an appropriate uh location

3:52:17because it's at the most intense location of infrastructure that's going to be in the area which is the future intersection of Bruce V downs and stable 54.

3:52:29I don't believe that it makes sense to place density at the center of the resort because then all of that density, the traffic of that density, is going to traverse through the single-family home neighborhoods that surround the resort. And that's something that I'm not sure I heard much about during a lot of the testimonies over the past couple of months. Um that these that if That density that's in area one was located in the center. In order for these people to come and go from their dwelling units, they

3:52:59would have to traverse through the single family neighborhoods. Um, which is typically not how it's planned or done. You want your most intense up at the along the you most dense up at the uh intent in the intense corridors so that those people have a short trip to their dwelling units and then then the people who live beyond in the single family neighborhoods have a much more quieter neighborhood experience.

3:53:25And so Area One then is actually oriented toward the external. That's how we have read it and understood it. It's not necessarily oriented toward the resort, but that the people that live in the resort can participate in the activities of area one.

3:53:44Um

3:53:46And then um finally I s I suppose with regard to the alternative site plan that was demonstrated um There is something that can be said about alternative designs and new ideas influencing a project and how they can be how that can be considered. I would say that, you know, the planning department hasn't reviewed or assessed that concept to provide a recommendation on it, but uh we are, as the planning department, constrained

3:54:17by the property rights element of the company. It notes that the right of a property owner to use, maintain, develop, and improve its property for personal use and for the use of any other person, so long as their design meets state law and local ordinances. So when a c when a concept is provided to the planning department, we assess the concept that is being brought forward by the uh by the property owner. And there are sometimes tweaks that can be made, as is in the case with Van Dim. Intersection, for example. But in general, we stay

3:54:47true to we try to stay true so far as the project is consistent with the comprehensive plan and compliance to the land development code, we stay true to the design that the property owner is seeking. So those are the comments that I would I would offer at this stage.

3:55:06Okay, if uh if there's any questions, yeah. Yeah.

3:55:09Okay. Well public honors called stuff. Okay. And the applicant?

3:55:23Thank you. A couple things. Um Because Miss Graham brought up some inconsistencies and you know I'm an expert on the comp plan. Been doing it for twenty-seven years. Um helped have my hand in writing the comp plan and the codes that are being referenced. So some of these things that are sad I just have to say something about on the record. So talking about the P D land use and the fact that our currently it's a Res Six land use and we're going to P D somehow takes away recreation areas. What actually restricts residential property to no longer be residential property

3:55:53in the comp land and restricts it to be recreational areas. So certainly not taking away residential area. Disrupts the entire golf course. The golf course is now res six. What it does is restrict residential on the golf course or non-residential on the golf course because now it's being restricted to golf course related um facilities and open space. Certainly does preserve conservation areas, encourage flexible creative design, that's what mudrum is. So

3:56:26Our P D again restricts us, allows us to have the uses that you want, to have a flourishing um res resort. Because right now it's in a residential land use that conflicts with the resort and we talk about the tourism policy, but the current comprehensive plan is not consistent with the tourism policy because it calls for that resort to be a residential use, not a resort or a residential use. So when you talk about what we're now in Res 6 and what we're planning to do, which is to go to this PD land use.

3:56:56We're cleaning up any consistency so we can flourish as a resort. in support of your tourism policies. We're take we're preserving, um we're taking away residential use on the golf course and preserving that. So it meets all the intent of plan development. Again, a lot of talk about multifamily This complement and this amendment is not needed for the multifamily that's proposed. For any of the residential that's proposed. We

3:57:27do I think the other thing that we do appreciate very much the the residents and their ideas and we have had so many meetings and and we've taken all those ideas into in consideration. But at the end of the day My client has a business plan, a large investment they're proposing here and you know, they've got certain things in their business plan. They they want to have a a new driving range, stay at the art driving range, close to the resort and close to the uh current golf courses. They want you've heard

3:57:57not from them, you've heard from independent witnesses who know this business better than everybody that thirty six holes isn't viable. So we didn't have to say that to you, you heard it from others. But they know that and they agree with that and their assessments. It took them a very long time to close this property. I they called me all the time with different questions for a very long time. So there was a lot of work that it went into them to buying this property. Um So they have a plan, they have a business plan and With

3:58:27regard to um Some of the commissioner statements because I don't know if I'll get a chance to talk before the commissioner might talk about things beyond what people have said here, so I don't know. But with regard to the renovation plan The renovation plan is a plan between MAST and their resort owners, their invest the investors in those in those hotel condo units. Those are not real estate, those are registered securities, and that's what the renovation plan is. So to bring a renovation plan into

3:58:58the this hearing for land use and zoning. Has nothing to do with us changing the land use from res six to P D. They have worked on the renovation plan, they have been transparent. Yes, they did release it, uh I guess last night or night before. My night's all Come together when you work all the time. Um With regard to the golf, I already explained the golf question of that plan and its relevancy and how long it's been out there and yes they've met with their members on that plan. The

3:59:28other thing about traffic is

3:59:30L let me let me stop you right there.

3:59:31Mm-hmm.

3:59:32Just ask you a question.

3:59:33Mm-hmm.

3:59:34When we heard our first presentations Who was it that talked about the renovation plan?

3:59:41Do you think I could remember that?

3:59:43Only help you. Mast. They talked about what the renovation plan was gonna be, how they're gonna talk to the people. They showed us pictures about how it was gonna look.

3:59:51Okay.

3:59:52No details were sent. until last night at five thirty. The numbers that were talked about from talking to Mr. Pines, don't know, but we can ask him if you want. Says the numbers even from the renovation plan have now doubled. So you never showed anybody In the last six months from first coming to us. The renovation plan. Now the night before this hearing, it's bringing it out, and you want to call us out for talking about it? And talk about Mr. Pine sending it to us? It sends a clear message

4:00:22that you haven't been straightforward with everybody every step of the way, in my opinion. Your your meetings you you could have had everybody together in one big room chose not to. You wanted to break 'em all up, divide and conquer.

4:00:33I don't agree.

4:00:34I uh that's why that's all I see.

4:00:36We're gonna disagree.

4:00:37The The plan for the golf course hasn't been shown either. Except for that one group. Why didn't we show it to everybody? So don't say that we should be talking about No

4:00:46The Coalition has to

4:00:47I am talking. You said that you don't know why we're talking about the renovation plan. You're the ones who brought it out. Carry on.

4:00:56Because you asked us about what our plans were so we showed you that our plans. It's a very long project to renovate a resort like this. It's easy for people to say, well you didn't do this, and you didn't do that and you didn't do this. But this is a difficult project with a lot of components to it. So the criticisms just aren't fair, but I can't change your mind. Um it has nothing to do with the land use and I just don't want my client to be disparaged um because I just don't think that's appropriate. But Um I did want to say that one thing with regard to transportation.

4:01:28What we're we hear what we don't hear is about the fact that we're gonna have a second access. Forever, Saddleburgh has had one way in and one way out. This development project solves that at a great expense. The vision road, we heard Mr. Swop Swope ask about the vision road, four lanes, eight lanes, it's not our vision road. It's your vision road. It's a road that was important to the county and in their build-out model, so this road needs to be there. And we're providing that road and the right of way for that road, not only in our property,

4:01:59but through Wiregrass Ranch. So the fact that we go from one way in and out to three way in three ways in and out is significant and is not really discussed. It's interesting to hear that we don't need the Vision Road. When it does provide not only the vision road, but the service road and the road that'll come from Development Area One down into the resort for all the service traffic that now goes through the gates of the resort. Um it's it's those are significant changes. So um again I appreciate the Mr.

4:02:29Hogan and the efforts on an alternative plan. But in the end of the day, my client has a very thought out plan. They've worked very hard on it. I would note that that plan actually includes property on Wiregrasses um we that we don't own. And the way it connects they have it connecting to um Division Road is through Wiregrass's property. I again hard to do those plans, so I understand Ms. Foster, when you she shows you her her property, I noticed she doesn't do it on top of an aerial because if she did you would see the

4:02:59all the dense woods in between her property and development area one.

4:03:08So with that, um

4:03:12We think we meet all the requirements for the Comprehensive Plan to be approved and our team is available for for uh any to answer any questions. Certainly have lots of details to go over in the MPUD, but as you've stated you want to have separate hearings, so we'll leave those for the MPUDs and we would ask for your support of the Comprehensive Plan amendment. Thank you.

4:03:34Um so Mr. Stark. I'm just gonna copy the motion and and for my um motion I'd like to use Hope's speech. Hope's speech is my motion because I think it was very well said. So um I would move to approve um staff's recommendation for the comp plan changes.

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4:04:01We are mo motion to second. Any further discussion? Follow the roll.

4:04:07District One, Commissioner Oakley.

4:04:08Aye.

4:04:09District two, Commissioner Weightman. Aye. District three, Commissioner Starkey. Aye. District four, Commissioner Bradford.

4:04:17District five Chairman Mariano.